Black Ops 2: Treyarch wants your opinion on improving Hardcore playlists

Camping is not, and never will be a “strategy”.

You will never, ever, ever, capture a single objective by camping.

Ever.

Lets not get confused, here. Lets not mix up clearly different definitions.

It’s got nothing to do with the game, other than that the game allows you freedom of movement. You can go and stand/crouch/lie where you like.

Forget battlefield, forget CoD. Campers camp because they’re antisocial gamers who want to leech off of the efforts of people who want to play the game properly. Camping requires other people to do what you’re not willing to do, or it doesn’t work. You can do it in any game that has a corner, or a place where common sense says you shouldn’t be.

And for the millionth time, before anyone types a ‘campers are easy to kill, you must be rubbish’ comment, I HAVE NO PROBLEM BEATING THEM. Yes, I grenade, yes, I use an alternate route, yes, I leave them alone to get no kills, yes, I use UAVs, etc, etc, etc.

The point is that I have much more fun when they play properly, or simply don’t play at all.

They’re like the annoying little kid who always wants to play football with the teenagers. He’s easy to play against, but he spoils the game for the people who want to play properly with his brat like antics.

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You act as if you understand the psychology of all gamers while also making it clear that you don’t. Also, who are you to define what ‘playing properly’ is? While I don’t always camp- when I do it’s a defensive strategy, nothing more- I’ve often reached a point where the enemies have a clear advantage & I am unable to take them head on.

I clearly don’t have the twitch reactions of most these 12 year old on crack, I already play on the second lowest sensitivity- latency plays a large role in that choice but the fact is I’m simply not the quickest player. I however make up for that with sneaky tactics such as crouching & hiding & waiting. I have no advantage roaming around like a headless chicken so why should I?

Now I won’t stay still the entire game but I may hold a strategic point for a few minutes before people come looking for revenge.

& no, your analogy is way off, if they’re still getting kills & aren’t throwing away deaths, they’re still contributing. In an objective type mode that’s only helpful if they’re doing that near the objective.

“Crouching, hiding and waiting…”

There’s no excuse. You can go on about being a bad player all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that if everyone else crouched, hid and waited, you would get zero kills, and capture/destroy/defend zero objectives.

So it’s clearly common sense that this isn’t the proper way to play the game. You behave in a way that you wouldn’t want others to behave towards you.

That is nothing less than antisocial behaviour.

No psychoanalysis here, just facts.

The analogy is accurate, too. You want to play a game with people who are clearly much better than you, but instead of waiting until you’re good enough to play at their level, you behave in a way that affects their enjoyment of the game.

DarkKnerd, u mad?

(And Sony is still shit, isn’t it.)

@54, People play games at their own pace, get over it. If you don’t like people playing safely & stealthily then you’re playing the wrong game, go play Unreal Tournament- I mean, who are you to dictate how one plays? You’re a good player so you have no need to play stealthily, most of us just don’t have the same twitch reflexes as yourself so they have to compromise using alternative tactics- you may not like it but why should anyone else care? If you had your way, only uber-competitive people like yourself would play, I don’t want to put in the hundreds of hours to stand a fair chance- not on a game like CoD & especially not with my average levels of latency.

“If you don’t like people playing safely & stealthily then you’re playing the wrong game”

You’re missing the point, again. It’s not me who’s playing the wrong game. That’s why BO2 is the most anti-camper game in the series.

No ghost (hides you on the mini-map) until level 55 (max level), it takes a while to unlock suppressors, almost every single building/potential camping spot has a minimum of two entrances, detection grenades that act as UAVs, weapon sights that see non moving players through walls, etc, etc, etc.

Players don’t want campers, and Treyarch don’t want campers.

You can play the game as slowly and steadily as you like without making a conscious decision to camp all day long.

It’s not about being a try-hard. It’s about having fun while you’re playing without stepping on other people’s toes.

Which is more than easy enough to do without camping.

You can’t play a competitive online multiplayer game without stepping on other peoples’ toes. As for those that hide the ENTIRE game, I do think they’re quite sad. I just take strategic spots, hold it for a couple mins til either I get bored or I’ve over provoked the enemies then I move along. I get killed while walking in the open & because of the combination of latency & being a low level, I get out bursted in confrontations even when I start firing earlier.

The fact that we’re debating ‘campers’ vs ‘sprint-spray-pray’ play styles is beyond me.

Black Ops 2 is clearly a console game that has been ported to PC. People go on and on about the amazing/great/wonderful/splendid quality of Black Ops 2… but I simply believe that CoD has been declining with each and every generation of game. They take more and more of the strategic, tactics based combat out, and add more and more of a game that just caters to sprint-spray, console players.

IMHO, sprinters play the game as it was intended… for console. As Christopher pointed out, this really is/was okay for games like Unreal, Quake Arena, etc.,.. I expected that type of combat.
For games like CoD/Black Ops, I expected higher quality gameplay. Again, strategy, tactics, and real combat operative style play. Instead, there are just a lot of smack-tarded, ill-tempered, attention seekers that want to run their mouths whilst sprinting around maps in the most dumbed down/watered down gameplay that I’ve ever witnessed.

If I were to equate video games to dining… Black Ops 2 would be of the ‘fast food’ variety. It sells a lot of units, it’s available on every street corner, and the advertisements are all over the place. But let’s be clear, popularity doesn’t equate to ‘quality’.
Example: If you’re looking for fine dining and quality food, then you wouldn’t eat at McDonald’s. That being said, if so few want to wait for ‘quality’ and everyone keeps just eating McDonald’s… eventually, that’s all we’ll be left with. And that’s just it… Black Ops 2.
We’ve moved the masses down this funnel and filtered them, retrained them all to believe that Black Ops is ‘the second coming’. In truth, we sit waiting for the stuff to be recycled every year (every other year) on the CoD and Black Ops product release cycles.

Again, I think that players of all gaming styles are trying to make the game work for them in some way shape or form. In order to find any competition in a ready available state, we play Black Ops and hope that the dev’s turn it around and take it in the right direction.

“For games like CoD/Black Ops, I expected higher quality gameplay.”

Then that’s your problem for having unrealistic expectations for a game that runs on ‘a modified Quake engine’. You want the game to be something that it never was, and was never intended to be.

If you really want to camp, play something else.

Hey to all… i dont often use these forums to voice my concerns… but after falling out with playing CoD religiously (because of the lack of hardcore modes)im even thinking abt selling my xbox. I cant believe that im stuck with Kill confirmed as an excuse for a game. its a glorified deathmatch, my bullit confirms my kills, not some dude taking the tag. Cap the flag is just a Gypsy Camping site with a crappy respawrn time, and S+D is something ive only played when its into the early hours… Why cant us hardcore players just get an objective based game like Headquarters… my clan is 30-40 strong and we are all in disbelieve that the makers that gave us HC HQ 1st (treyarch) on World at War, all be it at the end, we all found something that would be fun to play and objesctive based with no respawn timers and was carried on2 Black Ops, which i thought was a popular gametype..

Atleast 1 flowing HC objective based game is needed… thats all im praying for otherwise i can slowly see my clan falling apart and like myself no longer playing CoD, which would be crap as ive been a player since CoD4.. WTF would i do with my time , lolz… thanks for letting me go on and on, i hope some1 at Treyarch is listening

Bring back domination to hard core and this game will be complete…without it leaves me waiting for the next Call of Duty…because you know infinity ward will have it just to out do tryarc

What ever happened to Hardcore domination, HQ..Would also love to see some of the new gametypes offered in Hardcore. Get it right guys.

Hardcore = TDM – S&D – CTF – DEMO – DOM – HQ

Make it happen!

Hardcore War was one of my favorite match styles of all the Cod games. But I feel like it was balanced out by the weapons that had specific ranges and utilities that dont exist now. Single shot rifles, short range smgs, and heavy slow machine guns. Cross mapping with a thompson was rather hard. you ended up having different guns that were good for different styles

Making a moshpit option would allow players to play multiple game types in one, instead of making them as individual playlist options.

Dont give up on the players that are dedicated to this game style! I understand that a large amount of people define hardcore players as “campers”. Well.. I could also call people who play regular, “impatient”.

G1GAHURTZ,

I only wanted to say that, because BLOPS II is score-based rather then killstreak-based, I personally have noticed more activity on these playlists. More players are now achieving the goals of each game-type because it helps the killstreak rewards. It was the smartest thing that Treyarch could do to help the “camping” situation. I dont believe that the people who play standard, come without camping either.

Anyways,

For HC, i think that appeasing the large crowd of hardcore gamers would be to go with MOSHPIT option. Make the moshpit option include ALL game types in the hardcore format. As for the current HC options, i think its a great idea to keep those.

Thanks

You can have it a lil lik mw3 for the killstreaks lik assualt because everybody aint no punk ass camper there are some players that run and gun and if a a camper stays in one place more than ten seconds kick them from the game bcause its not fair to the run and gunners