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‘Slow, horrible’ Wii U: THQ rep unhappy with the way quote has been spun

Thursday, 22nd November 2012 10:35 GMT By Dave Cook

Metro: Last Light probably isn’t coming to Wii U, following some rather damning comments regarding the hardware from a developer at 4A Games. Publisher THQ has stepped in to shed light on why the negative comments were made.

Chief technical officer at 4A Games Oles Shishkovtsov originally made the comment during a NowGamer interview, in which he said, “[The] Wii U has a horrible, slow CPU.”

Eurogamer spoke with THQ’s 4A Games rep Huw Beynon to get some perspective on the comment, who said, “I think there was one comment made by Oles the programmer – the guy who built the engine.

“It’s a very CPU intensive game. I think it’s been verified by plenty of other sources, including your own Digital Foundry guys, that the CPU on Wii U on the face of it isn’t as fast as some of the other consoles out there. Lots of developers are finding ways to get around that because of other interesting parts of the platform.

However, Beynon is unhappy with the way Shishkovtsov’s comment has been handled in the press, and suggests that only half of the story has been reported, “I think that what frustrates me about the way the story’s been spun out is that there’s been no opportunity to say, ‘Well, yes, on that one individual piece maybe it’s not as… maybe his opinion is that it’s not as easy for the way that the 4A engine’s been built as is the others.

“What it doesn’t go on to look at is to say that, you know, we could probably get around that. We could probably get Metro to run on an iPad if we wanted, or on pretty much anything.

“Just as in the same way that between PC and current console versions there are some compromises that need to be made in certain places and we strive to get the very best performance that we can from any platform we release on.

It’s a natural practice in the press right now – given the scrutiny placed on the Wii U Format – Bynon suggested, “But I understand that there’s a real appetite in the media at the moment because the Wii U is a hot topic to spam some stories that are going to attract a lot of links if they present it in a certain way.”

Beynon added that a Wii U version is still possible, but rather unlikely, as the small team at 4A Games is currently working on the PS3 version. Given the time required to fully use the Wii U hardware to its potential – rather than just releasing a shoddy port – Beynon suggested it would be a big ask.

What do you think about Shishkovtsov’s comment? Blown out of proportion, or a developer speaking freely? Judge for yourself below.

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  1. Mike W

    Yea you got to watch what you say nowadays.

    #1 1 year ago
  2. ps3fanboy

    i am very happy with the comments about wii-u being slow as hell and crap. it is the truth, nintendo release a cheap ass 2006 console in soon 2013. when ps4/x720 comes in 2014 it is over for nintendo and their wii-u, because there will only be cpu intensive games out there. you will have the usually exlusives and then the rest will be shovelware and crapware. there is no wii-mote to save nintendo this time.

    #2 1 year ago
  3. SplatteredHouse

    That man said something and it got reported. I don’t think Beynon has any grounds to criticise the publication of the comments, unless they were shown to be taken out of context.

    #3 1 year ago
  4. AmiralPatate

    When I look at Metro 2033, I think he may just be stupid. Metro 2033 is the least optimized game I have ever seen on PC. So if I were him, before I took it on the hardware, I’d wonder myself if it’s not just a software issue.

    #4 1 year ago
  5. mistermogul

    @2 – Dude are you for real?

    Read what you said out loud and actually hear your voice – do you know you sound like a complete twat who writes embarrassing, trolling comments every day?

    You should probably remember (though I doubt you’re old enough) that Nintendo get written off every generation and seem to survive just fine on the strength of their own IP alone.

    I can’t understand people like you who are not just defensive about their chosen platform of fanboyism, but also attack anything that Nintendo do regardless of what they actually think of it.

    This behaviour baffles me and the only explanation I can think of is that you do it because you are actually jealous of their games.

    Do you know how many features of your beloved PS3 were born on Nintendo platforms?

    Grow up…

    #5 1 year ago
  6. Clupula

    @5 – It’s funny how you’re supposedly calling someone out on fanboyism and yet, here you are, being a Nintendo fanboy, claiming people are jealous of Nintendo’s games.

    Because, you know, none of us could actually buy the system if we wanted to play those games. Maybe we’ve grown out of childish and constant Mario sequels. Maybe we like to see new IP’s, targeted at people our age. Maybe we’re tired of people acting as though Nintendo invented videogames, when I remember the days when Nintendo were a third party company on the Colecovision.

    Look in the mirror before you start acting the twat, son.

    #6 1 year ago
  7. Clupula

    And about PS3 features that were born on Nintendo platforms? What does that even matter? How many features of the Wii U were born on the Dreamcast? How many features of the 360 were born on the NES? How features of the NES were born on Atari? Everyone takes a little bit from everyone before them. The main problem with the Wii U is that, six years later, it still doesn’t stack up to what the PS3 and 360 can do and that is a huge problem. It’s Nintendo playing catch-up and in a year or two, it’ll be outdated already.

    #7 1 year ago
  8. Cobra951

    [Need to close the quote before "However, Beynon . . .". I can see how that happened too--some quick editing into the multi-paragraph quote. LOL! Add: Same before "It's a natural practice . . ."]

    @3:

    Not only that. Beynon’s comments in protest of the story are jumbled and confusing. It makes me think they’re backpedaling clumsily, and haven’t even formulated a decent cover story yet. The tech guy meant what he said. He was frustrated, and blurted out something that can’t be taken back now.

    #8 1 year ago
  9. OlderGamer

    Yeah Nintendo is so screwed with the WiiU, I mean look at all of those systems not selling and sitting on the store shelves… oh wait…

    …your loss boys.

    But if it makes you feel better, knock yourself out.

    #9 1 year ago
  10. monkeygourmet

    @7

    Wii U is this gen.

    There’s still x amount of years till MS or Sony come out with a new console.

    Xbox 360 + Kinect = £250
    Wii U + pad = £250

    It’s not like there trying to sell it too you for £500 or something?!

    We all knew the tech wasn’t crazy powerful, why do you keep going on about it?

    If Nintendo were really that worried about next gen machines, they could have easily made a powerhouse.

    It’s not like they don’t have the R & D or cash…

    They will again become the second console in the living room.

    Lot’s of people had Wii,
    Lots of people had Wii + 360,
    Lot’s of people had Wii + PS3…

    Nintendo wins on all these fronts.

    Not many people had 360 + PS3 because they are essentially the same console.

    Nintendo operates in a seperate space they created, the Wii U is not about power and was never intended to be.

    Get a PC if you want to wave your tech-dick around.

    #10 1 year ago
  11. OlderGamer

    MG +1

    #11 1 year ago
  12. Clupula

    @9 – “Your loss, boys?!?”

    When did you become Mae West?

    #12 1 year ago
  13. dreamcastnews

    Whoever listened to 4A games anyway? Lets look at their games shall we? Metro 2033 was only on Xbox 360 because these cretins lacked any decent coding skills to port it to the PS3, I bet they said that same back then.

    I will wait until we at least know maybe in a year or so when everyone actually has some experience with the machine…. It wouldn’t surprise me if Nintendo take their Dev kits back from 4A and give them a fuck off pill.

    As for Wii U being crushed by consoles not out yet, lets just wait and see shall we? Jeez count chickens before they hatch much?

    #13 1 year ago
  14. ManuOtaku

    Like i said in the original post for this news, this guys obviouly didnt had the time to check all the WiiU characterisitics, therefore he might saw the slow CPU as a detriment, but i think he only did saw that part and move along, i think the CPU can be slow compare to other CPU becuase the GPU is more than the current gen, the RAM is more than current gen, therefore they can work things aroung with a current gen CPU, maybe he forgot this is in fact a CPUGPU unit, where the GPU is the bigger one and not current one.

    As for the Nintendo Vs Sony thing, guys if you can defend Sony on Sony related threads, why nintendo followers cannot do the same

    #7 clupula “Maybe we’ve grown out of childish and constant Mario sequels” “Maybe we like to see new IP’s, targeted at people our age. Maybe we’re tired of people acting as though Nintendo invented videogames”

    Maybe you see nintendo games as childish, but they are not hence the everyone or teen clasification, which is very different to child only, mario IPS, as much as there are, they are all different in style, gameplay, and type of game, paper mario is not the same as mario land, and both of them are very different to mario galaxy or shunshine or super mario bros, mario as a character is milked, on that notion i agree, but his games are not, all of them are very different in style and gameplay mechanics.

    I think they did not invented games, i mean nintendo, but they did save gaming back on 1983, without nintendo at that time, we might not be talking about home consoles now, credit where credit is due.

    #14 1 year ago
  15. OlderGamer

    As for the Nintendo Vs Sony thing, guys if you can defend Sony on Sony related threads, why nintendo followers cannot do the same

    Exactly, and what company just had their value to junk bond level? Hmm, wonder.

    #15 1 year ago
  16. Christopher Jack

    @15, Because humans are hypocrites.

    #16 1 year ago
  17. Dragon246

    @15
    Which company has the worst performing gaming division at a loss of half a billion dollars?
    I wonder, maybe “the only games company”.

    #17 1 year ago
  18. Clupula

    @15 – Ah ha! And the curtain has been opened and it is truly revealed that, as believed in an earlier thread, you ARE hoping for the fall of Sony. Because someone truly unbiased wouldn’t bring up that sort of thing in a taunting manner.

    #18 1 year ago
  19. ManuOtaku

    #18 clupula “Because someone truly unbiased wouldn’t bring up that sort of thing in a taunting manner”
    The thing is that Sony Followers came here as almost the first commenters in this thread, in a very aggresive taunting manner agaisnt nintendo, therefore we are not the firsts ones to taunt, and in Sony threads, we are not the first ones to jump, like vampires to the neck, like some sony followers do with in nitendo posts, at least not in that aggresive matter.

    #19 1 year ago
  20. Gekidami

    The funny thing is that there wasnt even a “Nintendo Vs Sony thing” in these comments, the PS3 was only briefly brought up by someone defending Nintendo (#5). But i guess we all know at this point that OG has to vent his insecurities.

    #20 1 year ago
  21. Erthazus

    “Like i said in the original post for this news, this guys obviouly didnt had the time to check all the WiiU characterisitics, therefore he might saw the slow CPU as a detriment, but i think he only did saw that part and move along, i think the CPU can be slow compare to other CPU becuase the GPU is more than the current gen, the RAM is more than current gen”

    God, jesus, what a stupid comment. CPU is much more important for a console then any other part on the console.

    They are developers one of the most beautiful games in this generation and I think they know more about the hardware then you. You don’t need to check out all characteristics to see what’s the problem.

    You need a devkit and that’s it.

    WiiU CPU is slower then 360 or PS3 (!) fact (!) and no matter how much ram it has or GPU it is inferior then these two outdated consoles from 2006.

    I could agree with you If that thing said a shitty developer but 4A games dev is excellent when it comes to technology so yeah, WiiU – CRAP at best with kitchen sink for 400$

    for 400$ I can buy myself something better that will do every game in 60 frames per second and without shitty control scheme aka Kitchen sink that is without multitouch screen.

    #21 1 year ago
  22. ManuOtaku

    #21 Earthazus “God, jesus, what a stupid comment. CPU is much more important for a console then any other part on the console.

    They are developers one of the most beautiful games in this generation and I think they know more about the hardware then you. You don’t need to check out all characteristics to see what’s the problem”

    I never said the CPU is not the most important aspect, what i did try to said that this time nintendo went for a CPUGPU configuration, and for that it might be slow, but it has the GPU to back it up, because it is a mixed estructured, therefore the GPU and help with the slowliness of the CPU.

    And also maybe they are the greatest developer out there, but if they didnt had the time needed to evaluate the WiiU innards in the proper way, it doenst matter the expertise or the greatness of the developer, i think they only tested a few things without having the full time needed, because other games like COD black Ops II, ninja gaiden 3 are better looking on wii console, and there are other ports that is not dicernable difference between the consoles like ACIII, etc, adding to the fact there are other developers like gearbox that stated quite the opposite, so in my eyes or they didnt want to develop for WiiU in the first place for various reasons, valid or not, who knows, or they didnt had the proper time needed to make a valid opinion out of it.

    #22 1 year ago
  23. Clupula

    @22 – Are you actually trying to say Ninja Gaiden 3 looks better on Wii U? There’s plenty of sites that will disagree with that.

    Are you going to assert Arkham City next, so someone can show you the video of the textures not loading in one section on the Wii U version?

    #23 1 year ago
  24. ManuOtaku

    #23 Cupula well i might be wrong, because i based my comment on the lot of praises it did received on some sites, i mean that the WiiU version did correct some wrong things with the original game on the other consoles, all of this make it the better version at the moment, so maybe you are right and it doenst look better, but even if it looks the same, the point that i try to make is that there are games that are being ported and there is not discernable difference between the three consoles, or at least major differences, even COD looks better on the WiiU, therefore one has to question to which extent the Horrible slow CPU is true, and if this is true why there is not horrible ports graphics comparision wise that validates this notion?.

    #24 1 year ago
  25. Gekidami

    ^
    http://kotaku.com/5961467/bad-port-or-bad-hardware-were-already-hearing-complaints-about-wii-u-visuals

    #25 1 year ago
  26. ManuOtaku

    #25 but they are not horrile ports, they have some issues true , but thats the norm even between ps3 and 360 this gen, they are some games that run better on the 360 (bayoneta) and there are some games that run better on the ps3 (darksiders), if COD didnt looked better on the WiiU, i would have say well it might have something to do with the hardware, and not the developers, but there is a precedent, why they didnt run with the same horrible slow cpu problem?, well at least is to early to tell future games that will be releasing on the same day for now on will tell the story, especially like coloniel marines or other third AAA titles, or at least when we have proper and certain information about the CPU and all the innards of the WiiU.

    #26 1 year ago
  27. zinc

    The sad thing here is that THQ & 4A Games obviously didn’t want to get dragged into some silly fanboy war… But that’s what’s exactly has happened :-/

    Yes the WiiU will be lacking in certain area’s, but any dev worth their salt will soon be able to work around them. Much the same way devs had to work around the PS3′s “horrible” split RAM.

    #27 1 year ago
  28. Dragon246

    @Manu
    Where is it said that COD looks better on wiiu, even if its the worst version feature wise?

    #28 1 year ago
  29. ManuOtaku

    #28 Dragon it was on a NG4 thread they made a comparision between the three consoles and the WiiU, according to them did had the advantage, of course this was not taking any features of the game, just grapchics wise.

    #29 1 year ago
  30. zinc

    ^ link or it didn’t happen :-P

    #30 1 year ago
  31. Gadzooks!

    I can’t believe people are stupid enough to judge a console on launch titles. That’s pretty funny.

    Compare PS3 and 360 launch titles to what we have now.

    Extrapolate.

    #31 1 year ago
  32. Christopher Jack

    You may have had a point if those launch titles could top the equivalent of a 6 year old console’s version. PS3 & X360 games were certainly a leap over the previous gen while even the original Wii offered a modest improvement. This is just a very poor showing on Nintendo’s behalf. Nintendo were certainly right when they claimed they were in their own cycle, unfortunately that cycle is over 5 years behind every one else.

    Of course performance isn’t the only factor when it comes to a purchase, but when it’s this poor, it’s certainly a deal breaker for me, personally.

    #32 1 year ago
  33. Da Man

    Clunky, broken videogame from a below average developer which took six years to make this tripe..

    They can keep their comments to themselves.

    #33 1 year ago
  34. Joe_Gamer

    @33: Even a broken clock is right twice a day XD

    #34 1 year ago
  35. Christopher Jack

    @35, Do you literally spew cynicism? Because you appear to be frothing it.

    #35 1 year ago
  36. Da Man

    ^Sorry I ruined your weekly Nintendo bullshit rush, boy.

    #36 1 year ago
  37. Dragon246

    @Manu
    WiiU cpu sucks, has worst version of blops2
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-black-ops-2-wii-u-face-off

    #37 1 year ago
  38. DarkElfa

    Maybe it was just easier for the programmer to blame the sluggishness on the Wii U’s hardware than on his unoptimised gamecode.

    #38 1 year ago
  39. DarkElfa

    @38, They ported a game written for the 360, “lock, stock and barrel” to the Wii U. Do that in reverse and let’s see how the 360 handles it.

    #39 1 year ago
  40. Clupula

    @40 – That’s a bridge that will be crossed when Bayonetta 2 gets ported.

    #40 1 year ago
  41. Dragon246

    Just wanted to add something to my previous post, I would give ninty kudos for making a energy efficient device (most probably because of smaller manufacturing process), but the cpu tradeoff was too bad. I wonder why there arent any big hoards of zombies in zombieu or why dynasty warriors is difficult to develop for wiiu. Cpu thing will really bite them in the future.

    #41 1 year ago
  42. monkeygourmet

    CPU sounds pretty shit all in all.

    But, lazy devs and ports aren’t really good ways to judge graphics.

    Mario Galaxy was one of the best looking games this gen and it was very old tech.

    Even if the Wii U could kick out something like that in HD it’s got nothing to worry about graphics wise.

    Chasing better graphics is always going to be a bottomless pit. Even when new machines are announced (using current speculated specs, 4 gig ram etc…), the PC will still shit all over them.

    The only problem I see facing Nintendo, is if MS & Sony get their subscriptions right.

    Paying £500 plus for a next gen uber machine would be a hard sell over the PS3 / 360 / Wii U, but to charge £20 a month over 2 years may attract a lot more people. However, that opens the flood gates for every major game becoming subscription based only, that would put me off completly.

    In that way, Nintendo’s Wii U, could be the last console as we know it.

    I love the fact people are slagging it off, when MS and Sony could completly shit on the current idea of console gaming with their new machines.

    No second hand market
    Advertising
    Also on DRM
    Subscription based franchises (Forza, COD, GT etc…)

    If it’s anything like that i’ll happily stick with my Wii U!

    #42 1 year ago
  43. Dragon246

    @43
    “No second hand market”
    Power to you. People like you who buy second hand games are the main reason DRM and all this things are happening. Second hand sales and piracy are the 2 biggest problems industry faces, and you really don’t have right to complain about anything because game companies don’t receive a dime from you.
    Stay classy, who knows, maybe your beloved wiiu will die because of second hand customers like you and not because of a slow cpu or high price.

    If plus like subs are the future, then I will completely embrace it. Getting 51 games in a year for 50$ is as good a deal as it gets.

    #43 1 year ago
  44. monkeygourmet

    @44

    It’s not second hand games, it’s the huge franchise stores like Game.

    Offering people £10 for a £40 game then selling it second hand for £35.

    When the average joe walks in, they steer them towards the 2nd hand copy as they make more off it.

    Thats just corperate greed as per usual. But small second hand game stores are fine.

    What about imports? I know you like your JRPG’s. These smaller stores are the only place you could get imported titles in the SNES era, know they are all dying out.

    Thats nothing to do with being a problem for the industry, it’s what kept gaming going and people learning about new styles of games in the 90′s…

    Big corperations then came in and fucked it up…

    Nothing new there.

    If I buy a physical product, I have every right to sell it on if I wish.

    DRM and the destruction of second hand sales is about one thing, and one thing only:

    Control

    It’s just another way to control and lock down the media we consume, they always blame pirates, it’s all very handy for them to have someone to point the finger at.

    It’s like when big companies try and blame pirates for the price of their ‘quality original’ Blu rays or DVD’s that are packed with bullshit adverts.

    You must believe everything you hear…

    #44 1 year ago
  45. polygem

    clupula and dragon are 2 of the three worst ps3 fanboys on this page…noone should reply to their trash. i don´t do it anymore. they are just twen trolls. noone should care about their miserable fanboy shit.
    dragon, being the platform fanboy he is, now blames the second hand market for the downfall of the videogame business…well this is pure comedy :D

    #45 1 year ago
  46. Dragon246

    @45
    Don’t worry about my imports, they are all original new games from playasia. No second hand for me, thank you.
    For second hand and piracy, the problem is not with corps. but many people like yours lame sense of “ownership” and “belonging”. I have no problem with people selling off things, but if you(I mean any person) buy second-hand(sh from now on), please don’t come on gaming forums because you not contributing a dime to the industry.
    The problem is 2 fold, earlier on, games were only single player, so sharing and sh became accepted. But soon online gaming came, and constant revenue became a major issue, with network passes being the solution (a good one). Now pure single player games are dying because there is no way to monetize sh single player games and the simple fact that online games generate so much more revenue than single player ones. This vicious cycle can easily lead to the death of single player games. Games are a personal experience for me like animes, so death of single player games will be a huge blow for me and no doubt, many others. SH sales are a major contributor to this.

    @46
    By all means continue your NDF brigade. Also thanks for describing yourself. And continue buying second hand and pirated copies of ninty games, that would really help them.
    Maybe your really are affected by the ninty magic you described. Flaming others wont help your cause, it just shows your argument is a weak one.
    Facts hurt, don’t they? Still waiting for your proof regarding me stating false facts.

    #46 1 year ago
  47. polygem

    buying new AND used. no pirated games for me. never.
    not even buying wiiu at launch. so much for your ndf fantasy bullshit
    nintendo magic exists – sony magic doesn´t
    i don´t need to proof anything to a desperate troll

    EDIT: i just realised you got me again. i am responding…..well, whatever: what facts are you even talking about? i mean, yes, your comments DO hurt indeed, but definiteley NOT because of facts. stop taking those drugs man.

    #47 1 year ago
  48. Dragon246

    @48
    Keep up the hating and flaming. Just shows you have nothing worthwhile to add except talking about ninty magic.
    You forgot to add a smiley this time.
    Still no proof, you really are making a fool out of yourself, saying others troll when you talk about non-existing bullshit like ninty magic.
    Stay classy.

    #48 1 year ago
  49. Erthazus

    @polygem, Halo and nintendo fanboy. Jeez.

    #49 1 year ago
  50. OlderGamer

    Show me a gamer that isn’t a fan of something.

    I am Nintendo and PC fanboy. Meaning that I find games on those platforms that I really enjoy. I also find alot of games that I like on XB360. So I could be grouped in that fanboy group too. I have three maxed out toons on Dungeon Hunter Allience, sinking a total of near 200 hours playing(hint it is a PS3 game). I have also put near 100 hours on Fat Princess. And prolly 250 hours on Warhawk. So, maybe that even makes me a Sony Fanboy.

    If you are a gamer, you are likly a fan of something.

    It isn’t being a fan that causes problem, it is the blind hatered towards what other people enjoy that causes issues.

    #50 1 year ago
  51. zinc

    The rationale I find interesting is the need of *proof* to back up a subjective matter of taste.

    Or that arguing someone’s ascetic choice is wrong, because of some random online link… & that digging up said link is contributing.

    Millions of consoles of all types sold, millions of games of all types played, but still the inane chatter.

    Like Eskimos arguing over their favorite type of snow.

    #51 1 year ago
  52. polygem

    @dragon:

    :D
    :D
    :D

    kiss

    @erth:

    halo and nintendo fan? hell yea! what that makes very clear though: no platform fanboy like you and dragon….and THAT´s a HUGE difference.
    but c´mon, smiley for you too. here you go
    :D

    #52 1 year ago
  53. monkeygourmet

    @47

    ‘ lame sense of “ownership” and “belonging”…’

    Man, such stupidity it’s untrue.

    I think im going to stop replying to you in threads now, you really don’t understand where i’m coming from.

    Your the biggest fan boy on this site at the moment, you keep throwing around accusations at people on this site who own most major consoles and enjoy gaming in general…

    It’s just mental. I mean, we all know you have a hard on for Sony, I just hope at some point you expand your horizons.

    Poly, Manu, OG and others have always given credit where it was due to all the major platforms, you however cannot seem to comprehend anything that isn’t Sony branded.

    #53 1 year ago
  54. Dragon246

    @54
    NDF members ganging up to call other people fanboys, epic.
    Also, if someone doesn’t have a good enough reply, they like to divert attention, just like you did. SH sales are bad for the industry, just because many people do a wrong thing doesn’t make it right.

    “Poly, Manu, OG and others have always given credit where it was due to all the major platforms, you however cannot seem to comprehend anything that isn’t Sony branded.”
    Poly and you have given credit to sony? Really? I can provide many links where I supported good ninty decisions, but can you call out even 5 instances where you or poly praised sony?
    You and poly never said a thing positive about sony. Just keep hating guys, maybe someday you will realize how stupid your and polys recent comments are.
    Again stay classy.

    #54 1 year ago
  55. Telepathic.Geometry

    #55 1 year ago
  56. Da Man

    Erzatwat: insane AND idiotic? Wow.

    #56 1 year ago
  57. dreamcastnews

    Jesus, here we go again with ‘my console is better than yours’

    VG247 – the home of digital cock measurement.

    Who gives a fuck which console is better?

    #57 1 year ago
  58. zinc

    MY console IS better than yours… To me… Obviously… I’d justify it with random links & tech speak, but your just gonna have to take my word for it ;-)

    Anyway on-topic, I’d bet if Nintendo were to offer 4 A Games a chunk of money for a exclusivity deal, that “horrible” CPU, wouldn’t be so bad :-)

    #58 1 year ago
  59. polygem

    @Dragon: you are living in your fantasy world. i guess that´s alright if it makes you feel better.
    i praised sony countless times as well as ANYONE else of your so called ndf.
    i praised sir dan fortesque as one of my all time fave videogame characters, i praised resistance and ratchet and clank for having some of the most fun videogame weapons, praised the psp, praised journey and sony for embracing these unique ip´s….man, believe it or not, i even use sony headphones to play halo with!!!! blasphemy for someone like you! well i also have a microsoft mouse on my mac mini y´know….i don´t care about this stuff. i care about things i like and those i don´t like. that´s my style of commenting here. yes i didn´t like that many stuff sony did this gen and that shows in my commensts, so what?
    why should “I” provide you with links, look it up for yourself! you wont believe it anyway, even if there would be a million links. like i said before, you are obviously the “only hear what i want to hear” type of guy, which makes you the perfect troll.
    open your eyes. it will help you in life. open your mind a bit too.

    #59 1 year ago
  60. dreamcastnews

    I think all the consoles have strengths and weaknesses, all are pretty darn good in their own way.

    #60 1 year ago
  61. polygem

    @61: indeed

    #61 1 year ago
  62. Ireland Michael

    I think we should instill a new rule on VG247.

    Any time anyone utters the terms “Nindendo Defense Force”, “Xbot”, and whatever Sony’s fanboy catchphrase is, they should be wiped from the face of the planet, never to be seen again.

    Reality is, the moment you start resorting to attacking someone else’s character to make your point, you’ve already lost the argument.

    #62 1 year ago
  63. polygem

    good point

    #63 1 year ago
  64. Dave Cook

    @63 not to mention attacking people’s tastes and opinions, which is just mental.

    #64 1 year ago
  65. Telepathic.Geometry

    @Dave: I reserve the right to attack fans of Twilight, both verbally and physically.

    #65 1 year ago
  66. Dave Cook

    @66 I think that’s allowed, no jury would convict you.

    #66 1 year ago
  67. monkeygourmet

    @63

    It’s difficult when you have articles like the Sony stock Junk though.

    Even when you come onto the thread to make a reasonable comment, certain people take it the wrong way then the name’s start flying.

    It also doesn’t help that big dev’s like 4A are making ill informed comments like the ones in this article. It only makes people start trolling or worse.

    The internet and even the world to a large extent has become a huge trolling exercise. Everytime I log on to Facebook I see trolling articles and adverts, fake photoshop shit just to provoke reaction.

    It’s getting to the point that I hardly believe anything I read online. A sad state of affairs.

    Even sites like this, Kotaku, Eurogamer etc… Have resorted to misleading or trolling headlines in an effort to get clicks.

    The Wii U seems to be getting an absolute shit storm of false information and hate at the moment and it seems to bring out the idiots in the forums.

    It’s a good stance that Nintendo hasen’t bothered to release full specs, I guess they are trying to rise above all the bullshit thats being posted at the moment.

    The games will speak for themselves, and once again, when the dust settles, Nintendo makes some of the best games no question.

    It’s a shame there are so many articles with ‘loaded’ headlines at the moment, even on the sites I trust to give honest opinions.

    #67 1 year ago
  68. Dave Cook

    @68 “Even sites like this, Kotaku, Eurogamer etc… Have resorted to misleading or trolling headlines in an effort to get clicks.”

    Absolutely incorrect in the case of VG247. If you perceive a quote to be a trolling headline when the guy literally said those things, then that’s fine, but I’d appreciate it if you didn’t accuse me or anyone else on here of deliberately hit-chasing.

    We don’t need it, hit chasing leaves a sour taste in our mouths and yes, I’ve admitted that some of my headlines have been harsh in the past, but they are genuine lapses in judgement and I’m happy to be corrected or swayed by our readers. I’m only human etc.

    We aim to inform you and make you happy with our coverage, so the thought that we’d deliberately go against that is absurd. That is the genuine, honest stance that we take, and we try to enforce that at all times.

    #68 1 year ago
  69. Dragon246

    In other words, when devs, have much more knowledge than us about hardware, say x hardware is slow, horrible, they are wrong because apparantly, they are ill informed, as said by a customer who loves x hardware so much that anything negative about it is misinformed.
    I think there is a 6 word for it, incidentally this word is used mostly by those same people.

    @Dave
    You can only keep these readers happy by posting their beloved console with pictures of flowers around it.

    #69 1 year ago
  70. Telepathic.Geometry

    @Dragon: I find your posts are generally designed to polarise forumites, and to start flame-wars, but I recognise that I don’t read everything you write, so if I’m wrong on that, I’m sorry. If not though, please go easy and stop trying to fight all the time.

    #70 1 year ago
  71. monkeygourmet

    @69

    Yeah, there have been a few IMO but you did rectify it, so kudos to you there. It’s a tough balance as you’ve started doing opinion pieces (which I like), then trying to give impartial news coverage, it’s a tough balance but this is still my goto gaming site.

    I shouldn’t be ragging on you beacause of articles like this; the guy from 4A obviously said this and feels he has a reason to make these statements.

    It’s just un-proffesional and a bit of a ‘baiting’ remark IMO. It just smacks of attention seeking to me.

    @Dragon

    No one likes a kiss arse. Sir, Sir, you forgot to give us homework Sir!

    Are you saying the PS3 is a piece of shit because Skyrim and multiple other games run like shit on it?

    Or is it lazy devs who don’t understand the machine they are working with hmmmm?

    #71 1 year ago
  72. Dragon246

    @71
    Well, you should look at “Digital Foundry vs. Halo 4″ discussion. I am glad no one took the bait.
    If I mentioned anything wrong in my previous post, referring to how some people act here, feel free to correct me.

    #72 1 year ago
  73. polygem

    it´s strange, i really feel like dragon is coming up with some good stuff in his comments from time to time but at the same time he constantly bashes ms and nintendo (especially nintendo) in a very pathetic way.
    dragon, seriously, YOU are the ps3 guy here, you are attacking people who have all the consoles for being platform fanboys. it´s obvious that this is just stupid…it makes no sense.

    #73 1 year ago
  74. monkeygourmet

    @74

    Trolling 101.

    He just likes to spark flame wars. Half the times his arguements dissolve because he cannot fathom people enjoying any other form of gaming unless it’s on a Sony console.

    Just means he misses out on alot of great games and I can’t / don’t take him seriously anymore.

    #74 1 year ago
  75. Dragon246

    As I said earlier, stay classy. Love your ninty stuff and hate sony.
    Incidentally, the people who call others trolls and fanboys are themselves the biggest ones.
    Wonder why ninty articles produce the biggest threads? Maybe because of some defense working there.
    As for skyrim, its obvious that ps3 is difficult to develop for in this case. But if that was the case, they just shouldn’t have released it on ps3. But they did, which sucks because millions fell for it. And now they are stuck with an unplayable mess and no future support when they paid the same price as their 360 and pc counterparts.
    I am not in a mood to discuss about this stuff now. There will many more opportunities to discuss this. Say, is anyone interested in community awards? I think we should start a vg247 community awards this year. Almost every major gaming site does it.

    #75 1 year ago
  76. Dave Cook

    @72 I get what you mean man, I think the guy will be in line for a bit of a dressing down by his bosses for it. Doesn’t look good which ever way you slice it.

    No worries also, I’m not trying to argue with you or be a dick. I just want to make it clear that we’re anti-hit baiting, even if some poor headlines do slip through the cracks. We work at immense speed and under pressure to keep the news flowing, so it can happen, and we’re seriously thankful to you guys for pointing out things that we miss.

    Anyway, back to finishing my super-mega Far Cry 3 ‘not-review’. I have a feeling you guys are going to love this one when it goes live tomorrow :D

    #76 1 year ago
  77. Dragon246

    @Dave
    I love FC2, one of the best games this gen.Everything was realistic there, the malaria pills, the fact that outposts will become occupied again if you leave them and the map. I gather most of the things I mentioned, if not all are absent from FC3. Is it worth for me?
    Does FC3 have a good storyline like FC2? I hate mindless shooting.

    #77 1 year ago
  78. monkeygourmet

    @77

    Nae worries! :)

    I feel the comments from the 4A dev echo alot of the problems surrounding media at the moment.

    People make snap comments to provoke reaction (or interweb-time), or press jump on them and spin it into something it’s not, which is hinted at hear by the THQ ‘clean-up’ guy.

    Im starting to really hate a lot of the stories that have been coming out regarding the Wii U and gaming in general; it just seems to be the ‘in thing’ to slag a console off before it finds it’s feet. Some of the articles on Kotaku have been awful.

    It seems pretty obvious that the Wii U isn’t a beast of a machine (also, Nintendo never promised it would be!), but im sure this could be ported fine if they could be bothered. It’s just a poor choice of words from him.

    Am looking forward to the Far Cry 3 piece, am picking the game up (*New – Dragon246) for the 360 and absolutly can’t wait!

    Have tried to avoid too much footage but I love the fact that there are animals to hunt! (Not that im a cold blooded killer! ;) )

    That was the best bit of Red Dead Redemption for me!

    #78 1 year ago
  79. Dave Cook

    @78 yep all absent. Here’s an excerpt from my piece (can’t reveal too much yet)

    “Far Cry 3 feels more manageable without compromising its survival elements entirely, and that can’t have been an easy balance for Ubisoft to nail. Chances are that if you found fault with any element of Far Cry 2′s mechanics, they’ve most likely been remedied here.”

    …and I stand by this 100%. You’ll see what I mean better tomorrow.

    @79 then you will love Far Cry 3, the survival elements are superb. Stay tuned :P

    #79 1 year ago
  80. Clupula

    This thread is still a thing? I stopped posting once it came down to Polygem throwing personal insults at me. I figured I didn’t need to lower myself to that level.

    #80 1 year ago
  81. polygem

    clupula you are boss. waaaaayy too classy for a minion like me. apologies. we´re not on the same level. yep. your narcissism is beyond me. another level indeed.

    i loved FC2 as well. bring on the not review.

    #81 1 year ago
  82. dreamcastnews

    @81 It’s Sunday, the threads get a little thin on the ground until tomorrow so this one is over active currently!

    One day we’ll all find a way to get along and accept the console choice we make !

    #82 1 year ago
  83. Clupula

    @83 – see, that’s the thing, unlike Polygem there, I only make personal attacks on those who attack me first. I can disagree with someone’s opinion. I can dislike what they like. But in the end, I try to respect that, unless the other person shows me a lack of respect, in which case, I feel it’s open season. For the record, I don’t even agree with everything Dragon says, all the time, and I’m sure he wouldn’t agree with me on everything either.

    I’m not hoping any of the three hardware companies go out of business. I think competition is good for the industry. The stronger each company is, the better it is for us, because they will compete with each other to get our money. I was a Genesis teenager, but I would have never said the SNES sucked. It had a lot of really good games for it, and I think part of why the Genesis lineup was so strong was because Sega had to compete.

    I’ve said a few times on here, I wished Nintendo had made a system that had impressed me, because, and I know this will be completely ignored, in favor of the view that I’m some sort of Sony fanboy, I would have one day bought it (I don’t buy anything first day. I’ve gone over my 20 games rule enough that everybody here should know it already). I wanted Nintendo to blow away what Sony and Microsoft were currently doing.

    Because not only would that mean that there was an interesting system on my radar, but it’d also put pressure on Sony and Microsoft to do even better.

    The fact is that the Wii U is not that impressive a system. And developers are even saying it.

    And when I read people attacking him for giving his opinion of the hardware, when he knows better than you and I do, that, to me, is the definition of a fanboy. Where you choose to ignore the evidence presented by professionals, in favor of your own opinions and brand loyalty. And then to throw personal insults at people who bring up facts, in an attempt to discredit the information they bring.

    It’s an incredibly old propaganda technique and it’s kinda sad to see someone like Polygem bringing it into a discussion about videogames. These are things that we find fun and for some of us, therapeutic. We can argue about them, because we have different opinions, but I don’t see why that would inspire someone to attack someone’s character, unless someone is so blinded by company loyalty, that that is what they must do in order to make themselves feel better.

    #83 1 year ago
  84. monkeygourmet

    @84

    ‘System that impressed you?’

    Well each to his own; but frankly your missing out. Even if you don’t buy a Wii U, a Wii can be picked up for £50 2nd hand.

    If your too set in your ways to not play games like Mario Galaxy and Skyward Sword in your gaming life, some people will find it hard to relate to your opinions.

    Just smacks of stubborn refusal of trying something different.

    #84 1 year ago
  85. polygem

    @clupula: your strange fantasies again. so now i am using some secret, “old propaganda techniques”? man, you are a comedian. i am writing down my opinion here. nothing else. everything else is just happening in your head.
    you are insulting all the time, not pointing it out straight but between the lines.
    you brought up that nintendo is only kids games stuff, wii is shovleware collecting dust etc etc, but pretend you are not the one attacking….then you are complaining if someone tells you to stop trolling, you even feel “personally insulted” and you are “not on the same level”. ha. you´re the kind of guy i truly respect. society needs more of your type. more lawyers.
    i find this rather disgusting tbh. if you want to say something, say it, loud and clear.

    #85 1 year ago
  86. Clupula

    “you are insulting all the time, not pointing it out straight but between the lines.
    you brought up that nintendo is only kids games stuff, wii is shovleware collecting dust etc etc, but pretend you are not the one attacking”

    The fact that you can’t tell the difference between a personal attack and someone disliking a game or company or system speaks volumes about you.

    I could say that every single Wii game is shit (which is untrue, but bare with me) and that still isn’t actually a personal attack. How fucked in the head are you that you would see an equivalency between that and attacking a person’s character? Contrary to what you believe, if you say something from a company whose output I like sucks, I don’t take that personally. That’s called a difference of opinion.

    You, however, act as though if I say Wii games are geared towards children, that I’ve somehow pissed on your ancestor’s grave. You should probably look into why you feel such an attachment to a faceless corporation.

    I love just about everything Platinum games have ever done. However, if you say that all of their games are “Weeaboo-centric pussy crap” or whatever (as I’m sure, at least one constant commenter would), it isn’t something I’d take personally, because they’re a company. I don’t have any vested interest in them, other than I enjoy their games and want to play more. To me, that just says you have a different idea of what’s good than I do. If I say that I don’t enjoy Mario games or that I find them a tired milking of a franchise, that should just mean, to you, that I have different tastes than you. If you see it as an insult, then maybe you should step back and take a look at yourself.

    #86 1 year ago
  87. Clupula

    @85 – I can totally respect that you don’t relate to my opinions, because we have different ideas of what we enjoy. I don’t like playing games that I feel are geared towards kids, for the same reason I don’t watch Pixar films. I grew up in a house with seven kids. I’ve seen enough children’s programming and gaming to last me a lifetime and I don’t care to do so now.

    I don’t play Sly Cooper or Ratchet & Clank either. Doesn’t mean that the gameplay isn’t fun. It’s just not an aesthetic that I want to indulge in.

    I’ve said many times, if I had kids of my own, I’d buy Nintendo consoles. Actually, I’m supposed to help a member of my family set up her Wii U around Christmas. And yes, she bought it for her 8 year old, not for herself. I don’t have any particular hatred towards any company. It’s just not for me. When you say, “some people will find it hard to relate to your opinions,” I can totally understand that. I don’t relate to playing children’s games and you don’t relate to me not. Differences are what makes the world so interesting. If everybody liked the same things, there wouldn’t be a need for more than one company or even any third parties.

    #87 1 year ago
  88. ManuOtaku

    This was the link in which they indicated the WiiU was the best graphical version, sorry i cannot put it before because i leave work, and i dont post on weekends, i spend my weekend playing darksiders 2 on my ps3, gotham city impostors, dragon dogma, house poker and pinball fx2 on my 360, and a little bit of last story and xenoblade on wii.

    http://n4g.com/news/1126830/face-off-call-of-duty-black-ops-2-wii-u-vs-ps3-vs-xbox-360

    Also i think it is very different to put some labels on nintendo, especially labels that are done by the other two manufactures to diminish the value of nintendo products in order to gain market, or as an strategy to locate better their product in the competition, like is childish or for children, that indicates some strong feeling against nintendo; than saying nintendo is not for me, because not all people find nintendo titles childish or aimed at children, hence the everyone or teen ratings, or that dont mind this,even if in the surface can seem this way, because the games are really hard especially mario titles collecting all the stars, that requires serious gaming skills, that can only be appreciated for avid gamers.

    I do believe that for example dark souls is not for me, i dont have problems playing any other games, but with this one i do find that i cannot advance, that i need constant wikipedia serchings to know things, therefore i will say is not for me, because i know there is people that will love and like the game, but again is very different to say that is a bad desing choice, or is badly desing it, i will never say that, is just it is not for me, but for time to time i jump back into it in oder to see if i can change my mind ( and even i pruchased demon souls nontheless), probably at some point i will, but that is the difference between the two scenarios i described earlier, one is respectful, i mean the later (darksouls), while the former not (nintedo childish).

    #88 1 year ago
  89. Gekidami

    ^ …But thats the DF article that clearly indicates that the WiiU version is the inferiour one. Did you even read it?

    #89 1 year ago
  90. DrDamn

    @Manu
    That link is a story based on the EG DF article and clearly indicates that in stills it’s better than the PS3 and on par with 360, but in motion worse than both.

    #90 1 year ago
  91. ManuOtaku

    # 90, #91 I know guys but in some parts, has improved graphics, in other dont, which means is not a Horrible slow CPU, if that was the case, it will not have any improvements in any department, like it did, even if it does has some issues like framerate.

    #91 1 year ago
  92. Gekidami

    ^ …Are you trolling?

    #92 1 year ago
  93. ManuOtaku

    #93 ^ never, i see it this way, this developer indicatied that the WiiU CPU is horrible and slow , because in the end he is comparing the WiiU with 360 and PS3, therefore by logic it will not reach those levels, but it did surpassed the ps3 on some istances , and in some instances matched the 360, except the framerate, so it is not that horrible or slow, because if this was the case the game will end up being much worse on all fronts without any improvement (comparing with the ps3) or being on the same level as the 360, the framerate issue can be for porting issues, and it was the only asspect inferior.

    #93 1 year ago
  94. Gekidami

    …You didnt actually read the DF piece, did you.

    #94 1 year ago
  95. bitsnark

    @95

    He could probably duplicate his #94 reply to your query there.

    It’ll save time.

    #95 1 year ago
  96. ManuOtaku

    ^yes i did.

    #96 1 year ago
  97. monkeygourmet

    @88

    Thats fine of course, I just can’t relate to that! ;)

    I overheard a kid talking to his Mum the other day, the child asked:

    “Does Dad read Spiderman comics too?”

    She replied:

    “He did when he was younger, he’s too old for that now…”

    Sad times, IMO some things transcend age. Prime example would be Mario games or Pixar / Ghibli animations.

    Each to his own though!

    #97 1 year ago
  98. Dragon246

    I just hope some people here don’t get too defensive about things they like and try to insult others. Not everyone like everything. Some people hate GTA, which I think is one of the best franchises, but I respect that. If people think all zeldas are great, I beg to differ. SW was nothing special, there are a lot better jrpgs around there, like persona series or Megaten series (of which persona is a part). That is my opinion, you cant do anything about it. If you are insulting others for these trivial things, then you have got a big problem with your mentality.
    The thing which I find hilarious is that how many of these same people wish x company to bow out of business just because they want it. Thats pure fanboyism. Competition is always good.
    The last good console ninty produced was GC. They wanted to go the other route with wii,and I parted ways. I don’t get dictated by what x company wants me to use, I decide on my own. Motion controls suck, so most wii games suck because of that, barring a few like last story etc. That too suffered from antique hardware of wii. MS and sony making the hardwares I like, ninty doesn’t. Until the day ninty tries to dictate “the new way to play” to me, they wont have my money.
    But I definitely don’t want them to go out of business, because competition is always good and many people like their games (unlike some pathetic haters here) and they have 1000s of employees.
    If anyone doesn’t agree with me, fine. I can discuss things respectfully. I am also free to change my opinions.

    #98 1 year ago
  99. Clupula

    @98 – Hey, there’s some very adult stuff coming from Ghibli. I wouldn’t look at Grave of the Fireflies as a kid’s film unless you really really want to make them cry.

    #99 1 year ago
  100. Da Man

    polygem, you can’t really argue with people like Sony2456.

    They will type passionate walls of bla bla bla about some abysmal videogame and call you nerd because they read someone on the internet mocking others using that word and thought it’s cool.

    They will trick themselves into thinking they don’t get dictated by companies which toy to buy next and again, passionately fight for a corner on the internet with every single churn Sony release. In reality, they just don’t want to belong to some fantasy ‘casual’ force. Nutcases? Indeed.

    They will paraphrase other people they randomly read and tell you to ignore those.

    They will call you a fanboy in their psychotic rage yet continue to masturbate into their Blu-ray drive.

    Oh well. Simply put, they’re bloody idiots :/

    What’s even more sad is how they think they make some kind of career here, contribute and influence something in the grand scheme of things. Fortunately vg247 doesn’t have post ranks, avatars and post counts.

    So anyway, why bother with some pathetic comment from a miserable dev.

    #100 1 year ago
  101. DrDamn

    @94
    If the image quality is on par but the frame rate suffers that could well support the idea that it is the CPU which is the weak point though. As a link it does nothing to back up your argument – it only undermines it.

    I think the best thing we can say at this point is that given the stage we are at (launch) and the standard of the ports (comparable) then the system *as a whole* is likely a bit better than the current systems. As time goes on and dev teams get more out of the obvious plus points (memory, GPU, architecture) then we should see it pull ahead.

    #101 1 year ago
  102. ManuOtaku

    #102 Doc i agree with you, but the thing is that i did focused on the following ” The Wii U version matches the look of the Xbox 360 game and thus gives it an edge visually over the PlayStation 3 release” i think it is a very possitive thing, if we consider that the PS3 version 3 also do has frame rates issues, and the ps3 and 360 are equal in power, therefore one might think is porting issues, like in the wii, not the horrible slow CPU like the developers mention in this thread, if that was the case it wouldnt had an edge visually over the ps3 version,thats why i see it as a positive thing rather than a negative one, as for the rest of your comment i see it with the same light.

    #102 1 year ago
  103. DrDamn

    @Manu
    If it matches the 360 and edges the PS3 in *stills* then that just indicates that the GPU chipset is similar feature wise to the 360. It says very, very little about the CPU. The frame rate issues (vs both the 360 and PS3) are much more indicative of CPU deficiencies. Particularly if they are matching the 360 in still image quality.

    #103 1 year ago
  104. G1GAHURTZ

    I’m pretty sure that WiiU visuals are going to look pretty pathetic, come next E3.

    Why all the fuss?

    #104 1 year ago
  105. Ireland Michael

    More importantly, who cares?

    Because the average consumer clearly doesn’t.

    #105 1 year ago
  106. monkeygourmet

    @106

    Of course, but the ‘gaming’ communities combined wrath and cynisism towards the Wii U has been terrible IMO.

    I never seen so much bullshit and trolling articles from supposed quality journalists in my life.

    The way people have picked apart the machine is a joke. The pricing easily falls into the same level as the current gen machines (plus kinect or Move as a counter point to the tablet on the Wii U).

    It’s Nintendo’s HD console for this gen, next gen hasn’t even been finalised yet and people have been bitching about anything they can think of.

    So many articles making mountains out of mole hills.

    It smacks of a short sighted viewpoint and a way of grabbing website hits, a very poor show indeed.

    VG247 hasn’t been as bad, but sites like Kotaku, CVG, Eurogamer to an extent have had nothing but doom and gloom to spout, even though the console hasn’t reached UK shores yet.

    Then of course when Mario, Zelda etc… Come out, they’ll be all over it again like a rash.

    People have very short memories when reporting on intendo consoles and seem very quick to judge.

    #106 1 year ago
  107. polygem

    yep monkey, the same guys will praise the shit out of the wii u when the full potential will be shown in upcoming games (zelda, metroid, new ip?)

    press really has been quite harsh, what did they expect?

    @DaMan: true. they get me all the time though. i try to ignore. sometimes i just can´t.

    #107 1 year ago
  108. OlderGamer

    I think the hate just comes from knowing that for an entire gen that the Wii outsold both the hardware and the software of the stuff they “love” and value. So it builds up. Along comes a new Nintendo system and it is “ready, set, aim and fire”.

    The funny part is that it doesn’t matter. The vocal core audiance isn’t what it used to be. It isn’t the backbone for the industry. Not that they don’t matter, but they are no longer the only thing that matters. And for 7years they were remined of that. So they unload on the WiiU.

    The thing is, Nintendo didn’t need them last gen(or the gen before that nor the one before that). Nintendo just do their own thing. They don’t live or die on having to be the chosen platform for CoD fans. Or any other 3rd party.

    I doubt WiiU reaches even 60% of what Wii sold. But I doubt MS or Sony will either. I bet this(next gen) is the last gen for traditional consoles for all involved.

    So in the end to each their own. They are only toys after all. We should all count our blessings if deciding what toy to play with is such a big issue in our lives.

    #108 1 year ago
  109. Joe Musashi

    I asked Chris Hecker and he told me that the Wii-U cpu is just two Wii cpus duct-taped together.

    JM

    #109 1 year ago
  110. Dragon246

    Another 100+ ninty defense article. Don’t you get bored doing this? Maybe ask Reggie to throw a pay check towards you, you all deserve it.
    Keep hating anyone who doesn’t look at ninty with rose tinted glasses, those glasses are in short supply.
    @Poly
    Your comments are just hateful insults towards others now, as you have not got anything useful to say.
    No more replies from me. Enjoy your party.

    #110 1 year ago
  111. monkeygourmet

    @112

    Very desperate attempt to get people to engage with you, you win a biscuit.

    @108, 109

    Of course! :) As soon as the new Mario and Zelda are announced it’ll be back to kissing Nintendo’s arse like always.

    They rarely fuck up when it comes to the quality of gameplay and anyone with half a brain knows that.

    Christ, even with less than half the power of the 360 / PS3, the Wii still managed to create some of the best pure gameplay experiences we’ve yet to see.

    I can understand fan boys slagging the machine off, but seeing proper gaming journalists and devs write it off so suddenly makes me pretty annoyed. Maybe the gaming sites need some new blood, or some staff who are not completely jaded by gaming in general.

    The Wii U offers some great potential if people can be bothered to think out of the box. I guess it’s not going to happen though, and Nintendos first party efforts will once again have to pave the way.

    Kudos for Ubisoft for trying something new with Zombie U though.

    I just don’t understand the power issue though.

    We have a glaring example that power alone doesn’t matter in the Vita…

    It’s technically the best handheld out their yet its doing shit sales wise…

    And, unlike the PS3, Nintendo has hardly over sold the device specs wise (apart from Reggies dodgy comment today). In fact, Nintendo has tried it’s hardest to get away from the focus on specs which I find quite appealing.

    Once again, they sell the machine at profit which will create a huge margin by the time the PS4 and 720 get released.

    Now, supposing MS and Sony both offer up subscriptions, Nintendo will still be in a good place for the Wii U becoming a second console in the home.

    People will hardly want to have 2 subscriptions on the go next gen, but they may purchase a Wii U outright and a 720 subscription for example.

    Next gen could really separate Sony and MS even more if this happens, and I can only imagine Sony loosing out more because of this.

    #111 1 year ago
  112. polygem

    dragon, i gave you 3 smileys and a kiss…hows that insulting or even hatefull?

    #112 1 year ago
  113. Da Man

    Pretty much..

    Let the deprived kids ease their emptiness by nagging about srs bsns ‘quite frankly that said although ultimately by all means’..

    They really live for this shit.

    #113 1 year ago