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Chivalry dev believes women don’t want female characters

Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:01 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Chivalry: Medieval Warfare contains no female characters, because that would “make it appeal less” to women, apparently.

Challenged by a forumite as to why there are no female characters – even NPCs or non-combatants – in the hack-and-slasher, team lead Tibberius ignored the old “historical accuracy” chestnut in favour of a somewhat baffling shot in the dark regarding the preferences of female gamers.

“I actually think that adding female characters to a game like this would make it appeal less to females,” the developer said.

“Which at first sounds strange,” Tibberius added, quite accurately, “But from my experience of the general maturity level of the internet and the unfortunately male dominated FPS market I don’t think that it would add to the experience for women or men given the actions that would likely occur.”

“Hopefully that helps you understand why we decided not to go that route,” the developer concluded.

“I am totally fine with women fighting, but its the fact that it would probably overall harm the way the community would play the game that has me concerned.”

We’ve reached out to Torn Banner Studios for more insight into what this means.

Chivalry: Medieval Warfare is a first-person multiplayer combat affair which launched in mid-October.

Thanks, Leena.

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21 Comments

  1. absolutezero

    Jesus Christ what a bunch of bollocks.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. YoungZer0

    Bullshit. They were just too lazy to create female models and that’s it.

    I actually don’t think they have to explain themselves. If they choose not to include female characters so be it, it’s their game. But that Bullshit doesn’t help anyone.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. LuLshuck

    Whats the point in adding something when people wont use it, plus did woman fight in the medieval times?

    #3 2 years ago
  4. Sini

    meh, as a guy i play males if it’s first person perspective or camera far away, but females if right behind the character for “dat ass” effect. But I wouldn’t cry about it if only female toons were present.
    Also, females typically look better in armors etc, see d3 or any mmo i guess.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. TheWulf

    WELP. Considering the nontrivial quotent of lady gamers I know of hanging around on tumblr, I’m almost tempted to drop this on mine just to watch the hellstorm that would assuredly arise from it. It’s tempting, but I’m not really into schadenfreude.

    Still, this is a bunch of baloney. What women don’t want is sexualised characters, they don’t want women who’re there to be drooled at by horny virgins. That is what those I’ve spoken with are not fond of. But when you have something tasteful and modest, like the engineer from Torchlight II, they’d support it greatly.

    So long as you didn’t put your women in chainmail bikinis, and you actually treated them with the same respect that you’d treat your men, you’d find that women would have more interest in your game.

    But hey, what do I know?

    #5 2 years ago
  6. YoungZer0

    “What women don’t want is sexualised characters”

    I must be a woman then, because i hate that too.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. TheWulf

    @3

    Yes. Yes they did.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=did+women+fight+in+medieval+times

    #7 2 years ago
  8. TheWulf

    @6

    Same here. I was trying to put it from a sympathetic angle, though, as I tend to hear that a lot. I don’t want to say this as ‘hey, this is something I don’t want’ because this isn’t my view alone. This is the view of pretty much every woman I’ve talked to on the topic.

    So you don’t want it, I don’t want it, and the women I’ve spoken with don’t want it. The sad part is is that this is then taken by some people (this dev) apparently as ‘we don’t want women in games.’ And that’s bizarre. We do want women in games, but we want them to be shown to be as respectable as men are.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. Stardog

    His point is that the maturity level of gamers is such that they will teabag all the female characters.

    It’s nothing to do with the female characters being sexualised from a character design standpoint.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. YoungZer0

    @8: The thing that pisses me off the most is that many devs actually do want to include women in erm, realistic clothes, but then comes some asshole advertiser/publisher and says “MAIK DEM MOA SXE! POPEL LUV SEX! SX SELLS!”

    Not knowning that Sex attracts, but is not the reason why things sell.

    Aside from porn that is.

    But that’s the thing, why would anyone buy a game because the girl on the cover isn’t wearing anything? They can fap to porn anytime they want! It’s ridiculous and it alienates a huge chunk of the possible user base. That is one of many reasons why i avoid MMORPG’s. That genre is just full of over sexualized female characters.

    @9:

    “His point is that the maturity level of gamers is such that they will teabag all the female characters.”

    So what?

    #10 2 years ago
  11. OrbitMonkey

    @3, Joan of Arc says “Bon jour ”

    Still a bit saddened , no big tittied wenchs running around in bikini chainmail :(

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Faceless

    @7 I can’t believe I’m responding to you, notorious as you are at making bad points ad nauseam, but…

    You do realise there are far more female gamers than there were female warriors during the medieval times? Female soldiers and especially knights were rare, rare enough that Joan of Arc remains a historical milestone and a reference in nearly every discussion on the physical equality of either gender.

    As for Torn Banner, should’ve just gone with the historical accuracy excuse. At least that would’ve been more plausible and warrant less sensationalist articles.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Digital Bamboo

    Not very chivalrous of them.

    Sounds like a very old fashioned excuse to exclude women, along the lines of “women, with their delicate sensibilities, should not be expected to endure the harsh realities of a mans world, and shall therefore be excluded, for their own protection” except with a modern bullshit spin.

    1880 called…

    #13 2 years ago
  14. OrbitMonkey

    C’mon guys, its a well known fact that women are delicate little flowers who shrink away from violence & are completely at the mercy of big strong men!

    #14 2 years ago
  15. Robustitron

    These are the awkward catch-22 situations you get when people try too hard to find controversy, and developers are put in a tough situation.

    They could include women and risk being declared misogynists/rape supporters and face a media attack over anything that happens ingame, a baseless accusation of violence against women can easily snowball without having to make any sense, so long as it’s emotionally charged it can explode and get out of hand.

    It only took Battlefield 3 a single line from an NPC “I’m getting my shit pushed in over here”, for Kotaku to write a lengthy article declaring the game to be homophobic.

    Or they could take the less moral but safer route and exclude women overall and avoid the paranoia altogether.

    The developers of God of War recently claimed that they would no longer allow women to be harmed in-game the same way as men, as a response to various controversies.

    I can see this potentially reaching a point where female characters are treated the same as children in games, given an invincibility field and only killed off screen to avoid controversy.

    It seems like the feminist trends in gaming are pushing to infantalize women and discourage female characters from being put in the same situations as men. We are going backwards because negatives make better headlines than positives.

    The Chivalry devs will be damned for excluding women, and inevitably other devs with be damned far worse for including them and allowing them to face harm or some controversial situation, it only takes one blogger to “perceive” some form of implied rape to get the ball rolling.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. NocturnalB

    Gaming is such a messed up place for girls. I know a bunch of girls that game, and they get down to bid-ness! Girls truly don’t care about playing male characters most of the ones i know do play male characters(and kick ass), but on the same note that’s usually because they don’t have much choice.

    And ALL the girls i know who play stay off of stuff like Xbox Live comms, because of the idiots, unless it’s people they know. Pretty stupid how people get, I’ve been on comms with them before. Girl i knew who said something once in a public Black Ops game, soon as they heard a girls voice she had to leave because they all started harassing her so badly they weren’t even playing the match anymore, just messing with her and being disgusting.

    Why is it such a big girl to meet a girl who plays games? I’ve been through 2 girlfriends who gamed as much as i do. I just don’t get why it’s like that every time.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. GwynbleiddiuM

    Can’t believe I’m saying I agree with TheWulf only on his first comment.

    Also, woman in military roles are underrated and undermined in history. A few examples can be found here: http://womenshistorymonth.wordpress.com/resources/women-and-series/women-and-war/female-warriors/

    #17 2 years ago
  18. Sylrissa

    Well for starters this isn’t War of the Roses, trying to recreate an authentic medieval conflict, so historical accuracy can’t be an excuse.

    Chivalry is set in a fictional world so they could introduce what they want, and as long as the female characters were outfitted in the same level of armour coverage I wouldn’t see the problem.

    However if they don’t want to include female characters, then that’s fine, but just say so, don’t try and give me some justification for it.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. vashtari

    Women don’t want female characters? As a woman in her late 20s, the first thing I looked for was a female character. As someone who’s researched medieval history for quite a long time, researching specifically females in the late medieval ages, I can say that women did in fact fight with weapons and proper armor. Because of how women couldn’t officially be recognized as knights, they never officially got the title. However there were real women other than Joan of Arc who were not only shieldmaidens, but also commanded armies in their own rights. They were forced to act in a non-official capacity, though they were still able to do what men did.

    Bottom line, having females in the game would not hurt the game. It would not be lore unfriendly. Talk to people in your local SCA or strict medieval re-enactment group. The ones who’ve done hard research for years would tell you what historical findings have.

    As far as Chivalry not having females as a character option, adding it now would be difficult budget wise. I do wish they would have considered us women more than they did, chalking it up to “they wouldn’t like it.” Many of us really do want to fight as our own gender. I hate fighting as a man. I’m not a male, so why would i want to fight as a male? I wouldn’t mind running into the same problems that women ran into in the medieval period, being a female and “trying to do a man’s job.” That is lore friendly. Women never wore armor that was truly fitted to their bodies, nor did they get special treatment. They weren’t amazons, but they weren’t fragile either.

    By the way, I fully agree with what TheWulf said. So true.

    #19 12 months ago
  20. vashtari

    @YoungZer0 Lol, that just means we’d lop their heads off in the next round, right? I’d be like, “Oh, so you thought T-bagging was cute? Let’s have you do it to yourself! Here, eat THAT.”

    #20 12 months ago
  21. Gekidami

    You do know this is a year old, right?

    And anyway, maybe they just didnt want to be accused of rape.

    #21 12 months ago

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    The Havoc DLC for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare is now available for PlayStation 3 and PS4. Havoc contains the four multiplayer maps Core, Drift, Sideshow, and Urban along with the AE4 directed energy assault rifle, its custom variant, and the Exo Zombies cooperative mode. You can purchase the DLC separately or pick up the […]

  • Here’s a teaser for Resident Evil Revelations 2: Episode 2

    A teaser video for the second episode of Resident Evil Revelations 2 is available, so if you’ve yet to play the first episode, you may want to skip this. Resident Evil Revelations 2′s first episode is out now. Thanks, GamesHQMedia.

  • North American eShop update is full of Donkey Kong games

    Nintendo has updated the North American end of the eShop with Titan Attacks, Donkey Kong Land, Donkey Kong Country and more. eShop on 3DS Ironfall Invasion Titan Attacks! Donkey Kong Land – Virtual Console Donkey Kong Land 2 – Virtual Console Donkey Kong Land 3 – Virtual Console Luv Me Buddies Wonderland Around the World […]

  • Venture into the Valley of the Yetis next week in Far Cry 4

    The next batch of Far Cry 4 DLC, Valley of the Yetis, releases in March and Ajay Ghale will be tasked with surviving violent cultists and the mythical Yeti. Apparently the cult is looking for a secret hidden in the valley, and Ajay has discovered their motives. The DLC features co-op with a friend taking […]

  • The Butcher’s AK/CAR Mod Pack out for Payday 2, has dino masks

    The 19th DLC pack for Payday 2 title The Butcher’s AK/CAR Mod Pack is available on Steam from today. The pack will run you $4.99/€4.99 and features: 11 new weapon modifications for the AK rifles in the game 11 new weapon modifications for the CAR rifles in the game Four new masks together with their […]

  • Battle Chasers slated for PC, consoles; comic picks up where 2001 storyline left off

    Darksiders creator Joe Madureira and Vigil co-founder Ryan Stefanelli have confirmed a Battle Chasers game and a new comic are in the works at their new studio Airship Syndicate. Speaking to Polygon, Madureira and Stefanelli wouldn’t provide details on the the game, but did divulge it will be an adventure RPG with player-controlled Battle Chasers […]

  • Shovel Knight, Hotline Miami 2 discounted for Sony’s annual Spring Fever Sale

    Sony is hosting its annual Spring Fever Sale which runs for eight weeks and features a new title each week. The sale starts next week on March 3 with the launch of Helldivers. Here’s just a few items included in the sale: HELLDIVERS (PS4/PS3/PS Vita) March 3 Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number (PS4/PS3/PS Vita) March […]

  • The gold Super Mario amiibo is a Walmart exclusive

    The Super Mario Gold amiibo which surfaced via a CPSIA certificate earlier this month will be a Walmart-exclusive, Nintendo has announced. The gold-colored Mario amiibo will be released the same day as the Mario Party 10 game for Wii U and will run you $12,96 at 3,000 participating Walmart stores in the US. Along with […]

  • Here’s an overview trailer for Final Fantasy Type-0 HD

    As new gameplay overview trailer for Final Fantasy Type-0 HD, culled from the Active Time Report, stream has been sent over by Square Enix. The video provides a look at the history and environments of the Kingdom of Orience; the 14 memebers of Class Zero; the battle system with customizable magic spells; and the ability […]

  • Final Fantasy 15 video gives you a look at the game’s wildlife

    A new video shown by Final Fantasy 15 director Hajime Tabata during the latest Active Time Report, contains a look at the game’s wildlife and ecology. You can watch the full stream two hour stream through here, or a smaller clip courtesy of GamesHQMedia below.

  • Lionhead ventures into the free-to-play space with Fable Legends

    Fable Legends will be free-to-play when it launches on PC and Xbox One. According to Lionhead, the one versus four cross-platform title borrows from MOBA games such as Dota 2 and League of Legends as it will contain free, rotating heroes which will be added to a roster for a two week period. Once the […]

  • Win! 5 pairs of tickets to the Call of Duty European Championships

    We have five pairs of tickets to giveaway for the Call of Duty European Championships, taking place in London this weekend. The event takes place this Saturday February 28 and Sunday March 1 at the Royal Opera House in Covent Garden. Winners can watch teams will go head to head for a $10,000 prize pot […]

  • Republique Remastered has released on Mac and PC

    Republique Remastered, which was announced earlier this month, is now available for Mac and PC. The game is 20% off through Steam, GOG and the Humble Store for $19.99 until March 4. Thereafter, it will run you $24.99. The Remastered edition contains all five episodes of the game, with 1-3 available now and the remaining […]

  • LA Cops coming to Xbox One in March

    Isometric shooter LA Cops is coming to Xbox One on March 13. Already on Steam Early Access, the game looks like it’s been heavily inspired by Hotline Miami. Walk into a room, open fire, leave bloody puddles in your wake. It’s being published by Team 17. Check out the video below for some 70s cop […]

  • We have $500 of Steam Wallet funds to giveaway!

    We’re giving away 10 Steam Wallet prizes worth $50 each to VG247 readers, courtesy of Bundle Stars. All you need to do to be in with a chance of winning $50 Steam credit is to enter your details below. Join the Bundle Stars Steam group for entry in the sweepstake, and gain extra entries for […]

  • Lapsed Final Fantasy 14 players tempted back with 10 day freebie

    Square is offering lapsed FF 14: A Realm Reborn players a chance to come back to the game for 10 days worth of free adventuring. Provided you’ve already bought and registered an account you’ll be able to play free of charge from Feb 27 to March 9. Square wants you to sample the new content […]

  • Advanced Warfare: Sledgehammer looking at “opportunities” to recreate classic Call of Duty maps

    Sledgehammer Games has told VG247 it’s looking at opportunities to recreate classic Call of Duty maps in Advanced Warfare. According to co-founder Michael Condrey, players of the latest Havoc DLC are asking how Exo abilities and verticality can be added to classic franchise maps. “We’re taking a look at some opportunities to really highlight the […]

  • GTA Online reader playlist week 7: and the winner is…

    Stuff was shot. But only one player emerged victorious. GTA Online player e031271 won last night’s VG247 reader playlist, beating myself, Matt and regulars solidorwot and Revolting. Congratulations, Mr e031271. A deserved victory. We play a GTA Online playlist in an open session every Wednesday on PS4, because it’s both funny and fun. Anyone’s welcome […]

  • Leaked screens reveal The Reef as Destiny’s new “social space”

    A handful of leaked Destiny screens seem to confirm that The Reef location will be the new social space in Destiny. The new addition is likely to be revealed as part of the upcoming House of Wolves expansion. Reddit user Megamanexe4 dropped the screens on the site earlier this morning, along with grabs that reveal […]

  • Darksiders creator teases Battle Chasers game

    Joe Madureira, creator of Darksiders, has released art that strongly suggests a Battle Chasers game is in the works. Battle Chasers was a comic book from the late 1990s that suffered notorious production problems between issues and was never finished. Madureira formed Airship Syndicate after the collapse of THQ, where he co-created Darksiders. His latest […]

  • Infamous video nasty Axe recreated in GTA 5

    The trailer for notorious horror movie Axe has been recreated in GTA 5. The shot for shot remake is the work of gigerbrick who has previously recreated exploitation flicks like Machete and Hostel using Lego. The original Axe movie was banned in 1984 in the UK but passed with cuts in the late 1990s. Movie […]

  • Payday 2 for PS4 and Xbox One includes “a year’s worth of paid DLC” for free

    Payday 2: Crimewave Edition will include a year’s worth of paid DLC from the PC version of the game for free. The new-gen version of the game will be available June 2015, and includes almost all of the paid and free DLC released so far for Overkill’s popular first-person shooter. That DLC includes The Big […]

  • Yes, Mortal Kombat X will require Xbox Live Gold or PS Plus

    Mortal Kombat X won’t bypass Microsoft and Sony’s premium online play requirements. Reports that Mortal Kombat X wouldn’t require PS Plus or Xbox Live Gold started circling earlier this week thanks to a communications error. Answering fan questions on Twitter, producer Shaun Himmerick accidentally gave the impression that premium console subs would not be required […]

  • This is what Destiny players most want next

    Destiny patch 1.1.1 has resolved or at least addressed a number of complaints voiced by the community, but there are plenty more. des Destiny community manage David “Deej” Dague has put out a call for Guardians to share their concerns – or rather, what they think the community is most concerned about. “Set aside your […]

  • Google AI can play games now, so we’re probably all going to die

    Google has brought us one step closer to our inevitable slaughter or enslavement by machine overlords. Google has developed an AI that can learn to play video games and devise brand new strategies. Let me just rephrase that: Google has created an AI that can teach itself new skills, including how to play video games. […]

  • First footage of Renowned Explorers: International Society surfaces

    Renowned Explorers: International Society is a turn-based strategy game from the team behind Reus, and it looks great. Renowned Explorers was announced almost a full year ago, but has been pretty quiet since then. Developer Abbey games has now announced that the game has hit alpha, and will be open to select testers soon. You […]

  • Cities: Skylines developer commits to mod support

    Cities: Skylines will fully support the modding community. Hailing from famously mod-friendly publisher Paradox, Cities: Skylines is a no-brainer for mod support – especially as a lack of mod support is one of the things SimCity was so heavily criticised for when it firts launched. In the developer diary below, Paradox’s Jakob Munthe is joined […]

  • Nosgoth update adds Vanguard, many fixes

    Nosgoth, the free-to-play multiplayer brawler set in the Legacy of Kain universe, has been given a significant makeover. The major feature of the latest Nosogth game update is a new playable human character called the Vanguard. “Equipped with mighty throwing axes and a shield, the Vanguard can take more punishment than any human class that […]

  • Xbox Live Gold 12 month sub $40 on Microsoft store

    Microsoft is offering $20 off 12 month Xbox Live Gold subscriptions at the moment. An Xbox Live Gold 12 month subscription will normally set you back $60, but a Microsoft Store promotion has it on offer for $40. The offer is restricted to the US store. Although you can opt to grab your sub as […]

  • Tomb Raider movie script to be penned by TMNT writer

    Tomb Raider will be Evan Daugherty’s second reboot of an established universe. The Tomb Raider movie reboot has signed on a writer and a distributor. Deadline reports Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Divergent, Snow White And The Huntsman and G.I. Joe 3 writer Daugherty will write the film. Additionally, Warner Bros. has signed on to distribute, […]

  • Shelter 2 pre-orders open, launch trailer debuts early

    Shelter 2 is a game in which you are a mother lynx and must protect a den of kittens. Yes, it’s delightful. Shelter 2 is coming to Mac and PC on March 9. Pre-orders are now available on Steam at 10% off or on GOG.com with a free skin and soundtrack, or 20% off if […]

  • That Batman: Arkham Knight trailer is full of codes

    Batman: Arkham Knight’s trailer is like a Transformer – there’s more than meets the eye. The new Batman: Arkham Knight trailer contains a number of codes. Eagle-eyed users have spotted four so far, and work on cracking their meaning is progressing. According to an /r/games thread rounding up results so far, the codes pertain to […]

  • Assassin’s Creed haystacks won’t save you from a fall

    Assassin’s Creed fans, don’t try this at home. Assassin’s Creed characters can survive falls of almost any distance as long as they aim for the haystacks scattered handily throughout the environment. As you probably deduced from your familiarity with common sense, this isn’t a real thing: falling from heights kills you, the same way a […]

  • Why are people buying PS4 and not Xbox One?

    PS4 is outselling Xbox One – but why? A new report may have the answer. Last month, the PS4 outsold the Xbox One in the US again, returning it to the top of the charts after just two months away. Why? What has caused this reversal in fortunes in Microsoft’s home territory? According to a […]

  • Toejam and Earl are back with a new Kickstarter

    The early 90′s are alive and well in a new bid to bring back Toejam and Earl. Toejam and Earl released for Mega Drive (Genesis, Americans) in 1991, and the eponymous characters went on to count among Sega’s best-known characters. They appeared in a platformer, a light gun shooter and finally a 2002 Xbox game […]

  • New Wander trailer shows off Azertash form

    Wander is a collaborative, non-combat MMO in which you can take on a number of unique forms. Wander players begin as an ambulant tree called an Oren and can progress through several different bodies as they explore the environment, learning its secrets. One of these, which we’d not seen before this trailer, is the amphibious […]

  • SOMA approaching beta phase on PC and PS4

    SOMA, the new horror game from the Amnesia: The Dark Descent crew, is getting close to playable. Frictional Games has apologised for its recent silence over the project, but said it’s focused on reaching beta. Sorry all for the silence! We're closing in on Beta and everyone's working hard to get there. Once that's done, […]

  • Square Enix does not condone Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest HD Remaster

    Square Enix has said it’s not involved with a fan remake of Final Fantasy spin-off Mystic Quest. 1992 SNES game Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest is being remade by Dark Design as Mystic Quest HD Remaster. The developer is even taking pre-orders for the project. Unfortunately, it looks like it is in no position to be […]