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Chivalry dev believes women don’t want female characters

Wednesday, 31st October 2012 23:01 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Chivalry: Medieval Warfare contains no female characters, because that would “make it appeal less” to women, apparently.

Challenged by a forumite as to why there are no female characters – even NPCs or non-combatants – in the hack-and-slasher, team lead Tibberius ignored the old “historical accuracy” chestnut in favour of a somewhat baffling shot in the dark regarding the preferences of female gamers.

“I actually think that adding female characters to a game like this would make it appeal less to females,” the developer said.

“Which at first sounds strange,” Tibberius added, quite accurately, “But from my experience of the general maturity level of the internet and the unfortunately male dominated FPS market I don’t think that it would add to the experience for women or men given the actions that would likely occur.”

“Hopefully that helps you understand why we decided not to go that route,” the developer concluded.

“I am totally fine with women fighting, but its the fact that it would probably overall harm the way the community would play the game that has me concerned.”

We’ve reached out to Torn Banner Studios for more insight into what this means.

Chivalry: Medieval Warfare is a first-person multiplayer combat affair which launched in mid-October.

Thanks, Leena.

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21 Comments

  1. absolutezero

    Jesus Christ what a bunch of bollocks.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. YoungZer0

    Bullshit. They were just too lazy to create female models and that’s it.

    I actually don’t think they have to explain themselves. If they choose not to include female characters so be it, it’s their game. But that Bullshit doesn’t help anyone.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. LuLshuck

    Whats the point in adding something when people wont use it, plus did woman fight in the medieval times?

    #3 2 years ago
  4. Sini

    meh, as a guy i play males if it’s first person perspective or camera far away, but females if right behind the character for “dat ass” effect. But I wouldn’t cry about it if only female toons were present.
    Also, females typically look better in armors etc, see d3 or any mmo i guess.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. TheWulf

    WELP. Considering the nontrivial quotent of lady gamers I know of hanging around on tumblr, I’m almost tempted to drop this on mine just to watch the hellstorm that would assuredly arise from it. It’s tempting, but I’m not really into schadenfreude.

    Still, this is a bunch of baloney. What women don’t want is sexualised characters, they don’t want women who’re there to be drooled at by horny virgins. That is what those I’ve spoken with are not fond of. But when you have something tasteful and modest, like the engineer from Torchlight II, they’d support it greatly.

    So long as you didn’t put your women in chainmail bikinis, and you actually treated them with the same respect that you’d treat your men, you’d find that women would have more interest in your game.

    But hey, what do I know?

    #5 2 years ago
  6. YoungZer0

    “What women don’t want is sexualised characters”

    I must be a woman then, because i hate that too.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. TheWulf

    @3

    Yes. Yes they did.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=did+women+fight+in+medieval+times

    #7 2 years ago
  8. TheWulf

    @6

    Same here. I was trying to put it from a sympathetic angle, though, as I tend to hear that a lot. I don’t want to say this as ‘hey, this is something I don’t want’ because this isn’t my view alone. This is the view of pretty much every woman I’ve talked to on the topic.

    So you don’t want it, I don’t want it, and the women I’ve spoken with don’t want it. The sad part is is that this is then taken by some people (this dev) apparently as ‘we don’t want women in games.’ And that’s bizarre. We do want women in games, but we want them to be shown to be as respectable as men are.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. Stardog

    His point is that the maturity level of gamers is such that they will teabag all the female characters.

    It’s nothing to do with the female characters being sexualised from a character design standpoint.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. YoungZer0

    @8: The thing that pisses me off the most is that many devs actually do want to include women in erm, realistic clothes, but then comes some asshole advertiser/publisher and says “MAIK DEM MOA SXE! POPEL LUV SEX! SX SELLS!”

    Not knowning that Sex attracts, but is not the reason why things sell.

    Aside from porn that is.

    But that’s the thing, why would anyone buy a game because the girl on the cover isn’t wearing anything? They can fap to porn anytime they want! It’s ridiculous and it alienates a huge chunk of the possible user base. That is one of many reasons why i avoid MMORPG’s. That genre is just full of over sexualized female characters.

    @9:

    “His point is that the maturity level of gamers is such that they will teabag all the female characters.”

    So what?

    #10 2 years ago
  11. OrbitMonkey

    @3, Joan of Arc says “Bon jour ”

    Still a bit saddened , no big tittied wenchs running around in bikini chainmail :(

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Faceless

    @7 I can’t believe I’m responding to you, notorious as you are at making bad points ad nauseam, but…

    You do realise there are far more female gamers than there were female warriors during the medieval times? Female soldiers and especially knights were rare, rare enough that Joan of Arc remains a historical milestone and a reference in nearly every discussion on the physical equality of either gender.

    As for Torn Banner, should’ve just gone with the historical accuracy excuse. At least that would’ve been more plausible and warrant less sensationalist articles.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Digital Bamboo

    Not very chivalrous of them.

    Sounds like a very old fashioned excuse to exclude women, along the lines of “women, with their delicate sensibilities, should not be expected to endure the harsh realities of a mans world, and shall therefore be excluded, for their own protection” except with a modern bullshit spin.

    1880 called…

    #13 2 years ago
  14. OrbitMonkey

    C’mon guys, its a well known fact that women are delicate little flowers who shrink away from violence & are completely at the mercy of big strong men!

    #14 2 years ago
  15. Robustitron

    These are the awkward catch-22 situations you get when people try too hard to find controversy, and developers are put in a tough situation.

    They could include women and risk being declared misogynists/rape supporters and face a media attack over anything that happens ingame, a baseless accusation of violence against women can easily snowball without having to make any sense, so long as it’s emotionally charged it can explode and get out of hand.

    It only took Battlefield 3 a single line from an NPC “I’m getting my shit pushed in over here”, for Kotaku to write a lengthy article declaring the game to be homophobic.

    Or they could take the less moral but safer route and exclude women overall and avoid the paranoia altogether.

    The developers of God of War recently claimed that they would no longer allow women to be harmed in-game the same way as men, as a response to various controversies.

    I can see this potentially reaching a point where female characters are treated the same as children in games, given an invincibility field and only killed off screen to avoid controversy.

    It seems like the feminist trends in gaming are pushing to infantalize women and discourage female characters from being put in the same situations as men. We are going backwards because negatives make better headlines than positives.

    The Chivalry devs will be damned for excluding women, and inevitably other devs with be damned far worse for including them and allowing them to face harm or some controversial situation, it only takes one blogger to “perceive” some form of implied rape to get the ball rolling.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. NocturnalB

    Gaming is such a messed up place for girls. I know a bunch of girls that game, and they get down to bid-ness! Girls truly don’t care about playing male characters most of the ones i know do play male characters(and kick ass), but on the same note that’s usually because they don’t have much choice.

    And ALL the girls i know who play stay off of stuff like Xbox Live comms, because of the idiots, unless it’s people they know. Pretty stupid how people get, I’ve been on comms with them before. Girl i knew who said something once in a public Black Ops game, soon as they heard a girls voice she had to leave because they all started harassing her so badly they weren’t even playing the match anymore, just messing with her and being disgusting.

    Why is it such a big girl to meet a girl who plays games? I’ve been through 2 girlfriends who gamed as much as i do. I just don’t get why it’s like that every time.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. GwynbleiddiuM

    Can’t believe I’m saying I agree with TheWulf only on his first comment.

    Also, woman in military roles are underrated and undermined in history. A few examples can be found here: http://womenshistorymonth.wordpress.com/resources/women-and-series/women-and-war/female-warriors/

    #17 2 years ago
  18. Sylrissa

    Well for starters this isn’t War of the Roses, trying to recreate an authentic medieval conflict, so historical accuracy can’t be an excuse.

    Chivalry is set in a fictional world so they could introduce what they want, and as long as the female characters were outfitted in the same level of armour coverage I wouldn’t see the problem.

    However if they don’t want to include female characters, then that’s fine, but just say so, don’t try and give me some justification for it.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. vashtari

    Women don’t want female characters? As a woman in her late 20s, the first thing I looked for was a female character. As someone who’s researched medieval history for quite a long time, researching specifically females in the late medieval ages, I can say that women did in fact fight with weapons and proper armor. Because of how women couldn’t officially be recognized as knights, they never officially got the title. However there were real women other than Joan of Arc who were not only shieldmaidens, but also commanded armies in their own rights. They were forced to act in a non-official capacity, though they were still able to do what men did.

    Bottom line, having females in the game would not hurt the game. It would not be lore unfriendly. Talk to people in your local SCA or strict medieval re-enactment group. The ones who’ve done hard research for years would tell you what historical findings have.

    As far as Chivalry not having females as a character option, adding it now would be difficult budget wise. I do wish they would have considered us women more than they did, chalking it up to “they wouldn’t like it.” Many of us really do want to fight as our own gender. I hate fighting as a man. I’m not a male, so why would i want to fight as a male? I wouldn’t mind running into the same problems that women ran into in the medieval period, being a female and “trying to do a man’s job.” That is lore friendly. Women never wore armor that was truly fitted to their bodies, nor did they get special treatment. They weren’t amazons, but they weren’t fragile either.

    By the way, I fully agree with what TheWulf said. So true.

    #19 9 months ago
  20. vashtari

    @YoungZer0 Lol, that just means we’d lop their heads off in the next round, right? I’d be like, “Oh, so you thought T-bagging was cute? Let’s have you do it to yourself! Here, eat THAT.”

    #20 9 months ago
  21. Gekidami

    You do know this is a year old, right?

    And anyway, maybe they just didnt want to be accused of rape.

    #21 9 months ago

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