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Quick-Scoping might return in Modern Warfare 3

Saturday, 11th June 2011 22:42 GMT By Debabrata Nath

Treyarch’s decision of removing quick scoping from the last CoD title – Black Ops didn’t really please fans of the series who had got into a habit of using it to their advantage during multi-player sessions. However, Infinity Ward doesn’t intend to follow on their footsteps and have hinted that the feature might make it to the final build of Modern Warfare 3.

IW’s community manager Robert Bowling strongly hinted that quick-scoping might be retained for the title during a AMA (Ask Me Anything) session which he held over at Reddit.

“Currently, you can still quick scope in Modern Warfare 3. Keep in mind though, multiplayer is always changing at this stage (new perks, new balancing, new everything all the time based on feedback), however our philosophy on that hasn’t changed since MW2.”

This is good news if you’re fan of quick-scoping as it seems they intend on retaining it for Modern Warfare 3.

Modern Warfare 3 releases this November for PS3, Xbox 360 and PC.

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  1. Hunam

    Oh dear god.

    #1 4 years ago
  2. mickey2002

    BS. Don’t have the cheek to let me 1. Get killed by some n00b 2. Then dare to show me that “kill” to the fact that I watch the bullet go past me aka didn’t hit me.. yet I died <_< fix the bullet-tracking and people won't quick scope as it won't work no way like it does in mw2 now.

    #2 4 years ago
  3. Erthazus

    Quick-scoping is just a fantasy bullshit for children.

    I just don’t know… How can you make a First Person Shooter about Modern military with so much fantasy stuff in it. I understand that “Fun” factor is very important, but that is just awkward. Why stopping there?

    Add some flying pigs or Duke Nukem babes with aliens i dunno.
    I could understand if it is some Quake 5 with Rail Gun, but it’s a fucking sniper rifle. A FUCKING SNIPER RIFLE that has a weight of 6.5-10+ kg

    #3 4 years ago
  4. mickey2002

    @3 They did a demo on gametrailers real gun section thingy they hit like 3/20 and he was still slow compared to how quick, the quick scoping is in-game. It’s just out of this world. I know it’s a “video game” but don’t put “real world” guns into a game without least taking all properties of that item. You may aswell get Link or Kratos running around CoD with master sword (that quick scopes ;o) and krato’s blades… with the commado perk on

    *rolls eyes* MW2 doesn’t need MW3 it just needs changes,take out commado it’s a first person shooter the last I heard not a first person knvifer etc etc but the thing is they WONT (clearly since look how well they supported mw2 with bugs etc)

    They don’t have passion for games just sales and money. Which is why n00b tubes,quick scoping etc won’t go away, mass market appel anyone can get kills no matter what skill level.

    Bungie/Blizzard etc don’t mess about and thats why they have good names

    #4 4 years ago
  5. Gekidami

    It wasnt a ‘feature’. Its about as much a ‘feature’ as bunny hopping is.
    Its an exploit, and its ridiculous IW wants to stick it back in the game because it made the game easier for noobs.

    Next they’ll announce the return of pre-patch Model 1887 Akimbo…

    @4
    Indeed, like you say: I know CoD isnt meant to be this hardcore military sim game, but if they’re going to use real world guns and a real world setting, they could at least get stuff like this right. Quick scoping is just out-right fantasy.

    #5 4 years ago
  6. Talkar

    And that is the biggest risk we have seen taken by the CoD series, in a looooong time x) Will someone please put it out of its misery?

    #6 4 years ago
  7. Hunam

    It’s not even an argument about real vs fantasy, it’s an argument between cheap exploits and actual balanced gameplay.

    #7 4 years ago
  8. funkymunky

    Look on the bright side though, at least all the idiots will be swimming in the MW3 pool and will leave BF3 for the grown ups.

    #8 4 years ago
  9. Erthazus

    @7, There are no cheap exploits. Maybe a little bit of disbalanced gameplay, but thats because it is a videogame about modern military. Modern military is about soldiers that have limited speed, strength and abilities.

    Quick scoping works with games like Unreal or Halo, Quake because it’s a fantasty sci-fi stuff and you expect something like that from “Super soldiers”
    But here, when you are in “bear” uniform running with sniper rifle and doing shit like this… Is just showing that something is wrong with the game design. No matter how you want to make a game balanced you can’t take something beyond realism (not simulation. Two different things.)

    #9 4 years ago
  10. Hunam

    @9 You have no idea what quick scoping in CoD is do you? Basically, you get yourself pointing near the head of the guy who you want to shoot then pull the scope and fire the bullet within like a quarter of a second, the scope will shift with the autolock to the head of the target and the bullet will hit there because thats where the cursor ended.

    #10 4 years ago
  11. Erthazus

    @10, thanks captain obvious for the explanation, i never knew. Most of the time this feature is used with sniper rifles. Especially by CoD junkies.

    #11 4 years ago
  12. PsychoPCG

    I really don’t get you guys …
    Ever played an arcade racing like any Need For Speed ?
    It has “real cars” and a “real setting” but it’s absolutely “fantasy” as you want to put it, and I don’t see anyone having any problem with that.
    COD is just a modern day shooter not a simulator. It is not supposed to be authentic to begin with.
    Plus, as someone who has played this shit for +800 hrs I can say QS is not a balancing issue in the game. It’s mostly used in close range and it takes a lot of work to master it. Please don’t compare this to tubing or using akimbo stuff, cause they’re not in the same league.
    BTW, you can take out any quickscoper in a close range with something like an AK.
    So again, no balancing issues IMO.

    #12 4 years ago
  13. DSB

    Solution: Get a PC.

    @3 Yeah, because the fact that the US got invaded based on account of a bunch of Russian terrorists shooting up an airport didn’t tip you off to the fact that you were playing a videogame.

    Really, you can invent any retarded rule for what a game has to live up to, but it’s quite obvious that CoD was never meant to be taken seriously, and that it generally doesn’t try to live up to any criterea, other than advancing you through the levels.

    If you want to compare it to other shooters in its class, in Bad Company 2, four army grunts – whose main qualification are apparently their poor service records – are sent in to prevent a rogue Russian agent from enabling and deploying a weapon of mass destruction that probably will never even exist, but apparently did as early as the 1940′s. And coincidentally that also ends with a Russian invasion of America.

    Apart from that it features regular infantry men magically mounting vehicles that they have no idea how to work, rifles that judging from their accuracy haven’t been maintained for years, anti-tank launchers being fired from inside buildings, in spite of the fact that the blastwave would kill everybody, including the user in an enclosed space, and 40mm grenades that magically takes down an entire building wall – And do it without the building itself collapsing.

    It’s herp derp. No sane person expects a videogame to be real, it’s a game. It’s defined by rules and restrictions that are all aimed at making it fun, unless it explicitly tries to recreate reality.

    #13 4 years ago
  14. PsychoPCG

    @13 Your post is just getting bigger and bigger :D

    In case you didn’t notice, I was referring to the PC version and QS as what you do with your sniper rifle.
    I got the feeling it’s kind of different on consoles.

    #14 4 years ago
  15. DSB

    @14 It wasn’t aimed at any of that :P

    I was merely pointing out the fact that if you compare videogames to physical reality, the disappointment is going to be universal.

    Gosh, it did grow didn’t it? Funny how that happens.

    I can’t say one way or the other with regards to quickscoping. I’m on the PC version.

    #15 4 years ago
  16. PsychoPCG

    ^ Funny thing is the second part wasn’t aimed at you either :D
    Just tried to clarify a little bit.

    But totally agreed with the whole thing. Some guys need to take it easy …

    #16 4 years ago
  17. Freek

    When ever somebody posts about something not being realistic it’s entirely pointless to go on a tangent to prove all videogames are fake to begin with.
    Everybody already knows this and it’s not what is meant.

    What they mean is that the feature seems out of place in the game world, isn’t fun and prevents the game from seeming like a coherent experience.

    Something MW2 suffered from immensly. With a multiplayer mode flooded with accesive kill streaks, people running around insta killing everybody with knives and double shotguns like it was Insta-Gib in Quake 3.

    If IW don’t learn their lesson they won’t be known for making “the true” CoD games but for the CoD games with shit multiplayer.

    #17 4 years ago
  18. minxamo

    That’s what we call a ‘nail-in-the-coffin’.

    #18 4 years ago
  19. sg1974

    I’ll add this to my list of nreasons never to buy a CoD game.

    #19 4 years ago
  20. DSB

    @17 Actually the very literal assumption was that quickscoping wasn’t coherent with reality, which is a moot point since coherence to reality isn’t a factor in most videogames.

    It’s perfectly understandable to have a problem with a feature, I don’t think quickscoping sounds like fun, but then I also think auto-aim is for pussies to begin with.

    Personally I don’t think it’s silly to have a bunch of special forces running around knifing eachother and calling in air support to try and kill eachother, but that’s obviously my own standard for suspension of disbelief.

    Knives are a persistent myth in special forces lore, in spite of never having been used to kill anyone. Close air support is something that special forces quite often depend on.

    Really though, it’s all features of a game that has multiplayer modes that are so simple they can’t be mistaken for attempts at immersion. If you project that on to it, then you’re just going out of your way to ruin it for yourself.

    #20 4 years ago
  21. LOLshock94

    just when i thought cod was getting better then battlefield then they drop this shit

    #21 4 years ago
  22. HauntaVirus

    Doesn’t bother me, there are only a handful of people out of everyone that are good at it. I’m not a fan of it but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be in the game.

    #22 4 years ago
  23. Gama_888

    WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU PUTTING THAT BACK IN????

    It is not a feature of MW2, It is an exploit
    Why, on gods green earth, would you want to put an exploit back into a game?

    The amount of annoying little faggots that use this online and think they’v got mad skills, drives me fucking crazy, makes it unplayable. And their putting it back? WHYYY??

    #23 4 years ago
  24. LOLshock94

    In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary… come again?

    #24 4 years ago
  25. G1GAHURTZ

    Whinge, whinge, whinge…

    HauntaVirus is right anyway. There are only a few people who actually know how to QS effectively, and pretty much everyone else who does it ends up going negative or having to change weapons to actually win a game.

    Even the few people who know how to do it know that it’s very far from being the most effective way to play the game.

    Besides, it only really works on corner camping n00bs and people with super slow reactions…

    I can’t tell you the amount of times I’ve come up against a team of QS’ers, only for them to either leave the game after a few minutes of getting pwned, or change weapons in a desperate attempt to try and stop losing.

    If you can’t even deal with a few kids running around getting 1 QS kill every 2 magazines, then you’re just bad at the game.

    I’m almost surprised that people aren’t moaning about the fact that there are bullets in the game!

    O NOES! THIS GAME HAZ TEH BULLETZZ! TEH NO FAIR!

    #25 4 years ago
  26. urbz2011

    Qucik scoping? Whats the point of it?

    #26 4 years ago
  27. JeRicHoOL

    What’s the problem with quickscoping? If people find it fun to do then let them on gods earth. It’s not like you are disadvantaged against QS. Every decent player can kill them. But of course it’s easier to blame someone else for your own lack of skill. Whatever people die of it’s cheap, an exploit, a hack or any other bullshit. Get some skills please.

    Whiners gonna whine and haters gonna hate.

    #27 4 years ago
  28. Christopher Jack

    CoD never aimed to be a military shooter, neither did Battlefield, they are both closer to an arcade than a simulator.
    @27, That’s the entire point about this conversation, Quick Scoping requires little skill to pull off & then you get these guys who use every single exploit in the book & they will often win against a much better player because of poor design.

    #28 4 years ago
  29. JeRicHoOL

    In my opinion a qs kill is more difficult than a normal kill with an SMG or AR. Your SMG/AR has way more bullets/higher fire rate. If you can’t manage to kill someone who basically only has 1 try to kill you (due to the reloading after every shot) then you’re just bad at what you’re doing. I mean why do people moan about the opponent using or not using the scope or quickly zooming in? People hip fire, people pray and spray, people ADS, people quickscope, people hardscope, people no scope. Who are people to decide how the opponent has to aim? Because that’s what this is all about, the aiming.

    #29 4 years ago
  30. Hcw87

    It’s not only about going up against them, it’s having them on your team making you lose all the time because they rather go all out rambo with a sniper than help with the objectives. For me this is a good thing, it will only make the choice that much easier when BF3 comes out. It’ll still sell more than BF3 though, but that sure as hell doesn’t make it better.

    #30 4 years ago
  31. Maximum Payne

    I think Black Ops was fine.Maybe ak74 and Famas was more dominating but there are always favorites.

    #31 4 years ago
  32. OrbitMonkey

    I love it when dweebs get together, they moan & bitch about something that takes skill & is fun to pull off, demanding it removal…. Cuz they can’t do it… Poor dweebs ;)

    #32 4 years ago
  33. Hcw87

    It takes zero skill, which is kinda our point. Never has, never will.

    #33 4 years ago
  34. OrbitMonkey

    “It takes zero skill” :( Rallying cry of the put upon dweeb :)

    #34 4 years ago
  35. Quak0r

    The real question is can you still MLGPro 360 quickscope ?

    #35 4 years ago
  36. freedoms_stain

    @30, I think you might be disappointed if you think BF3 will be any better if my 400+ hours of BC2 on xbox are anything to go by. Guaranteed that at least half the RANDOMS on any given team will be whoring the wookie kit for all they’re worth. My only hope is that the PC version has less selfish retards who know what winning means.

    #36 4 years ago
  37. Maximum Payne

    Is quickscoping adressed like fast one in MW2 with slight of hand pro or regular one like in BO and Cod4?
    I play on PC so there is really very small number of people who used.Even GL and OMA are not used very much.

    #37 4 years ago
  38. Asterixx

    Meh, only morons get quick-scoped anyway. If you’re any good it’s easy to kill people running around like idiots with their sniper rifle out.

    #38 4 years ago
  39. M. K.

    So they plan to bring back one of the features of Modern Warfare 2 which made the multiplayer crap? Good decision :>

    *cancelspreorder :D*

    #39 4 years ago
  40. G1GAHURTZ

    Blah, blah, blah, QS’ing takes zero skill, blah, blah, blah…

    I challenge any single person who says that QS’ing takes zero skill to record a simple game of FFA where the only QS and go positive.

    They don’t even have to win the game…

    Just go positive. Simple as that.

    I’ll tell you what takes zero skill.

    Sitting in a corner with an LMG, aiming down sight, waiting for someone to walk past.

    Or just spraying randomly with an AR in the general direction of your enemy.

    Now they take zero skill, and you see that exact sort of thing in any FPS.

    There is infinitely more skill involved in moving, aiming, scoping and firing a bolt action all at precisely the right instant, than there is in spraying a whole LMG clip all over the place, hoping to hit something eventually.

    Again, I challenge anyone who says that QS’ing takes zero skill to prove it.

    I’m waiting…

    #40 4 years ago
  41. JeRicHoOL

    #40 Exactly!
    I’m not even good at qs. Only do it in private matches from time to time. People just moan about everything they get killed with. That’s just poor.

    #41 4 years ago
  42. OrbitMonkey

    Anyways not too bothered about Quickscoping, i’m a crap sniper :( Hope they don’t nerf the grenade launchers though! Noob tubing was awful in MOH -_-

    #42 4 years ago
  43. Redh3lix

    Please put it in IW !!!!

    The less, camping QS non- team playing childish “I think I r uber pr0″ COD playing fuckers who end up playing Battlefield 3, the better.

    Kthnxbye.

    #43 4 years ago
  44. Lounds

    To quick scope on the pc version of MW2 was skill, to do it on 360/ps3 you are a noob seeing as it has auto-aim.

    Put QS back in PC version, leave it out the console version, everyones happy!

    #44 4 years ago
  45. G1GAHURTZ

    Ironically, it’s the n00bs with no skill who have already left CoD, and are running around in BF as Engineers and Medics, thinking that they can finally ‘contribute’!

    They can’t even shoot straight in CoD, so their raging at the fact that little kids can QS them has made them leave for a game where they don’t have to shoot! LOL!

    #45 4 years ago
  46. DSB

    That really seems to be a theme with anti-CoD whiners.

    “This game sucks!”
    “Why?”
    “I keep dying all the time! Cheaters, exploits, haxx!”

    Which most of the time really just refers to the features of the game.

    It is tough to get into. My ratio still hasn’t recovered from all the times I died over the course of the first month, but it was totally worth it to suck it up and learn how to play.

    Teambased usually doesn’t mean cooperation either, it just implies more ways to go solo. It’s not like you have people actually covering you while you cross open ground, infantry taking out RPG teams, or snipers providing overwatch. Everybody wants to see those numbers appear on their screen, they just use a syringe or a welding torch to get them.

    #46 4 years ago
  47. OrbitMonkey

    @46 DSB you know a bit about weaponry. Have you seen the gameplay trailer that starts in the streets & ends in the helicopter shootout? It save me trawling the net if you knew what the scope was on the guys assault rifle?

    It has red dot on top, but another scope on the side of that he can slot into place for long range shots. Like ACOG, but its a red dot too.

    #47 4 years ago
  48. DSB

    @47 Yeah, I saw that. I haven’t seen it before though, and it doesn’t pop up in any search.

    It looks to me like something a redneck would use. It’s just a mount that takes a Red Dot as well as an ACOG. I’ve seen rednecks who put a holographic scope on top of an ACOG one, but I don’t know whether soldiers would actually use something like that.

    Having one scope on the side of the weapon would affect the balance of the gun.

    I think it’s just aimed at pimping it up. It wouldn’t be CoD if it didn’t go over the top :P

    #48 4 years ago
  49. Gekidami

    Its a hybrid sight. And yes, soldiers do use them.

    #49 4 years ago
  50. DSB

    @49 Do you have anything on that?

    Most of the stuff I can find is either hobbyists, airsoft or mod developers using it. The pimp-your-gun audience.

    SOPMOD rails allows you to attach pretty much anything you like, but it doesn’t strike me as something that would be very effective in combat.

    #50 4 years ago
  51. OrbitMonkey

    @51 Apparently hybrid sights are used in ARMA : Combined Operations, in the Arrowhead Operation. Plus theirs a video on Game Trailers all about them…. But my ps3 won’t play it -_-

    #51 4 years ago
  52. Gekidami

    Says the military use them in this video:
    http://www.gametrailers.com/video/mission-1-combat-facts/710237
    *shrugs*

    #52 4 years ago
  53. DSB

    @51 Hybrid sights are not uncommon, but we’re talking about dual scope-mounts. The ACOG has a red line running over the back so it can be used as an emergency aim assist.

    Trijicon makes ACOG sights with tiny Red Dot sights mounted on top, but that’s not what we’re looking at in the video.

    I’ve seen rifles with two scopes used in various games and by gun enthusiasts, but generally soldier logic dictates that if something poses an unneccesary complication, you don’t want to take it into combat. A lot of the time, less is more. One scope to maintain, one scope to provide batteries for, one scope to zero all adds up to a vastly smaller risk of failure.

    I haven’t really looked closely at the stock weapons in Arrowhead, but generally the ArmA series isn’t very well researched in terms of weapons systems.

    @52 Definitely looks like I might be behind on my game there. I haven’t seen them on any pictures, but “in use by the military” could mean a lot of things in terms of how widely used they are.

    Also, if that “host” guy’s name isn’t Soulpatch McDouche – He needs to change his name.

    #53 4 years ago
  54. OrbitMonkey

    Well in my *intensive research* I skimmed through a BF3 where some guy commented that hybrid scopes would be in MW3, what about BF3?

    Amongst all the outrage that someone dare mention MW in a BF thread, their was a decent question about balance. No need to choose between red dot or ACOG, just have them both! Which sounds good to me :)

    #54 4 years ago
  55. DSB

    It definitely opens up the gameplay a lot more. Modern Warfare always had relatively small maps, and I can’t recall ever using an ACOG on anything with shorter range than a sniper rifle.

    It would definitely make it a lot more useful.

    #55 4 years ago
  56. OrbitMonkey

    @55 Fair point I hardly ever used ACOG unless to unlock… shit was it the holographic scope? (beer = bad memory)

    Just thinking, bet they make… erm *duelscope?* accessible only if you have Bling/Bling Pro.

    #56 4 years ago
  57. UuBuU

    Meh… quick-scoping is a cheap way to get kills. But lets face it, it’s just one of many ways to get cheap kills in a COD game. COD wouldn’t be COD if it didn’t cater to noobdom.

    Makes little difference to me. I don’t even need to use the scope to outsnipe a quick-scoper.

    #57 4 years ago
  58. jielunbb

    if you have interest in it , take action !!!!!
    ***** {{w w w }} {{be tter whole saler }} {{ us }} ***

    #58 4 years ago
  59. ReeceHeywood

    They want to bring it back, then do separate playlists for those who don’t want it.

    Call of Duty 4 has become shit because 95% of the players in games quick-scope and it becomes completely boring.

    #59 4 years ago
  60. inhuman_phil

    has no-one noticed that you can quick-scope in black ops since 1.08 patch, i never get any complaints on that also i am happy to hear that IW are not making Treyarch’s mistake, i would prefer COD4 sniping but MW2 style is better than none

    #60 4 years ago
  61. mattpol

    Quick scoping has definitely returned in Modern Warfare 3, I got some awesome tips on how to quick scope in MW3 here! The modded controller makes all the difference!

    #61 3 years ago

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