Modern Warfare 3 more easily updated than previous CoD games

You see og you have to think what is a pile of shit really.
I played mass effect 1 about a year ago and just didn’t get it.
I tried mgs4 and just didn’t get it.
Tom Clancy splinter cell chaos theory the same.
Oblivion I lasted about an hour I reckon all told.

I still did not feel though that I thought they were crap because I know millions love them.
Same goes for Mario or zelda or whatever.
Every day I come home from work my wife has you tube on playing every cheesy song I always hated.
Does that make her stupid? (OK she married me so do not go there.)
She is actually a fairly successful working mum.

Why did I not like ME or the other games?
I mean the reviews for all of them are astounding not to mention peoples love for them.

I have bought every cod game because I enjoyed every one.
I agree sp has deteriorated but its not about the sp any more really.
My fav was cod 2 on 360.
Great game played on the hardest setting.

You say it got too big but that doesn’t mean its a pile of garbage in all fairness.
My initial foray in here was about the amount of hate it brings and you would have to agree with Giga to some extent that some of that is because folks just cannot hack it online.

I don’t play it any more but I know if I popped it in I would be head raped by some of the players on it.

Fact is the game is very competitive and it appears to me that Giga has a point on the insecurity bit.

I just don’t believe that its as simple as what some are saying about it.
You had spec ops on 2 which was good if you didn’t fancy the multi so in all fairness the game was good value as a stand alone product.

I like fps games and always have so for me to get in to a debate about rpg games or whatever is pretty silly as I don’t get them.
So I dont understand why others would say mw is a pile of crap unless they can point out others that somehow are superior and get no kudos.

Bit of a rant really but I hate typing so that’s it.

I’m in a quite a unique position in that the last CoD I played was the first Modern Warfare back in the day and I thought it was great, yet, I haven’t bought any of the other CoD titles that succeeded it.

The reason? I discovered Battlefield and realised that sort of gameplay was something that I found to be more fun. I wasn’t shit at CoD, far from it, but I like the idea of driving vehicles, I like the idea of destructible environments and I like the idea of large, open maps. Yet even with my effective ‘migration’ to the Battlefield series, I don’t feel I am ‘enlightened’ in anyway and that I should stomp into CoD forums and berate the shit out of people who have found (and continue to find) their enjoyment in the CoD games.

Hell no. Both game franchises are quality, well-built FPS multiplayer franchises that excel at what they do. Sales figures and online usage figures aside, they both do their job extremely well and I can honestly say I don’t give a flying fuck as to whether or not MW3 will have three times the amount of players as BF3 will. I’ll still be able to find a server to play on, it’ll still be full and most importantly, i’ll still have fun. Also, at the same time, the latest CoD game by all accounts, will succeed in scratching that itch that I have for an instantly gratifying, frenetic FPS experience that BF just doesn’t cater for.

I also reject the idea that all the CoD games have been so minimally evolved from each other, I mean, given the tight focus on such a closely knit experience, surely the devil is in the details even more than before? So new guns, rebalancing of old ones, new perks and other things that BF elitists may scoff at, are actually a fairly big deal for the CoD faithful who play this game day in, day out.

In fact, As far as CoD goes; there have been so many tweaks and rebalances that have happened since MW1, that i’m almost completely lost. To this end, I’ve been asking around this forum for over a month now about what will make CoD:MW3 great and how it has improved from the iteration that I played way back in the mists of 2007 and it’s folks like G1GA, DSB and others who have been extremely helpful in giving me a breakdown of what to expect without giving me a helping of your ‘primary FPS of choice is shit’ on the side.

I like to approach everything with at least a decent degree of open-mindedness and just as sure as I don’t see CoD:MW3 replacing BF3 as my de-facto choice for competitive multiplayer FPS gaming anytime soon, it’s just as likely that longer-term CoD players won’t gravitate over to BF3, because they’ve already found their fun and they know what they enjoy.

Folks really shouldn’t get too hung up on who formulates the percieved majority of a given gamer demographic either. I mean, who gives a toss if all CoD players are supposedly degenerate chavs or if all BF players are satan worshipping hybrid-baboons; I like both games and doing so doesn’t make me a proxy in any sense, to the assumed majority demographic that plays the game in question. I shouldn’t (and don’t) give a toss who likes it alongside me.

“You won’t find me endlessly trolling articles about them, though.”

It’s official. The entire internet has completely lost its understanding of the meaning of the word “trolling”. “Trolling” is the act of creating an opinion with the deliberate intention of getting a negative reaction out of people.

I (and many other people) are going to express my (our) opinion on something whether it’s positive or negative. If you have a problem with that… well, feel free to keep living in PussyVille, USA, where everyone is politically correct and hyper-sensitive about the diverse reality of people and how they feel about things.

If you don’t like what I have to say about the game, you can simply move on past my post and respond to someone else. You guys are the ones responding to me. I’m wouldn’t keep discussing the subject if people didn’t talking about it to me directly – that’s how discussion works.

And this ‘Gaga/NKOTB/TeleTubbies/whatever else is popular too!’ argument fails.

It fails, because none of them compare with games.

Music/films get to the top of the charts by being bought/watched ONCE.

A game cannot get to the top of the most played charts FOR YEARS ON END, by being played once!

People have to keep playing it daily.

I can DL a Gaga tune today and hate it tomorrow (btw, she sells sex, and popular appeal, not music on it’s own. People aren’t going to get bored of those things any time soon!), and never listen to it again.

There are no most listened to charts.

There are no most watched charts.

There IS a most played chart, and the most played game is the one that people keep coming back to because there’s nothing better available.

Simple as.

@johnny Cullen, Lol I was making a funny, forgot the

Besides everyone knows 7up is king!!

“A game cannot get to the top of the most played charts FOR YEARS ON END, by being played once!”

But it can when people simply don’t know any better.

Ignorance is bliss.

That’s the sole reason why World of Warcraft is the most single popular MMORPG on the market, despite being one of the most simplistic and skill-less games in the genre.

I’m with Michael. But there are a lot of good points here.

I think the reason I troll CoD (other than because I genuinely think it’s shit) is down to the sheer weight of their advertising campaign and the fuck-tonne of articles and videos posted daily about the next batch of changes to be implemented on the next iteration.

Being constantly smashed in the face by a franchise you have no love for is bound to provoke some nerd-rage.

No Michael, you’re trolling.

I noticed today that before I commented in this article, you’d commented in about 3 or 4 articles.

All of them about CoD or IW, all of them negative.

I’ll be honest… I found that VG247 Rules thread in the Forum, and I was pretty close to pointing out your trolling activities in detail and raising the question of having you banned.

You’ve been getting worse recently, and I’ve been ignoring you, but let’s not be silly about this. You ARE trolling.

You should at least have the honesty to admit that.

@58

Urr…have you not seen the amount of Battlefield 3/EA/DICE articles? There are easily as many of them as there are Modern Warfare 3/Acitivision/Infinity Ward.

“I think the reason I troll CoD (other than because I genuinely think it’s shit) is down to the sheer weight of their advertising campaign and the fuck-tonne of articles and videos posted daily about the next batch of changes to be implemented on the next iteration.

Being constantly smashed in the face by a franchise you have no love for is bound to provoke some nerd-rage.”

Thank you Deacon, this is what I’m saying.

But .. urrrr … I love BF3 !?

Fair enough G1GA.

And reask, your right, its not up to me to call any game crap. The judgment of a games value is and always will be up to the person playing it.

My feeling is just that I have franchise fatigue really bad this gen. I play less this gen then any other gen in my life. Maybe I am just getting too old. But in my mind there is a growing pile of bad games that I wouldn’t play if the game was free.

I still enjoy games, but different kinds of games. Games like the stuff on PSN/Steam/XBLA. Downloading Crimson Allience as I type this – very excited about that game.

The older I get(and I bet most of us will also have the same situation), the less I enjoy the big boxed games. And the more jaded I become. I try and keep that in check, understanding that its mostly me, and prolly mostly my age. But I still smell that rotting pile of shit with the words Wii/PS3/Xbox360 written at the top and on the sides of the boxes.

@59 Oh yes, lets ignore the other three or four non Modern Warfare articles that have been posted today that I responded to…

I respond to articles on the site. It just so happens that a significant portion of them right now are Modern Warfare related ones.

“I’ll be honest… I found that VG247 Rules thread in the Forum, and I was pretty close to pointing out your trolling activities in detail and raising the question of having you banned.”

You go right on ahead and do that. Pat’s probably going to laugh his off at someone wanting someone banned simply because they don’t like your favourite franchise.

Nowhere in my posts have I directly insulted anyone – nowhere have I said that you guys are the simpletons, only that the game is made up of a lot of them.

So yeah, have fun with that.

In all fairness Michael expressing an opinion and calling something shite that is only played by basement dwellers are 2 different things IMHO.

@42 – orsonwellesclap.gif

I don’t see why tea should get banned for trolling ‘anti-Sony’ stuff, but you should get away with your recent activity.

You’re nowhere near his level (yet) that’s for sure, but fair is fair.

@65:

+1

@67

In fairness, I believe that TEA was banned for being borderline insane and spouting far too much self-righteous rage that was more or less targeted directly at Pat (and others who didn’t agree with him on the topic of, well, anything) based off of TEA’s warped idea of how he ran this site.

By the way, the ‘simplistic’ argument is misguided, when you have more than a dozen-two people playing the game it gets to a point where the one barely able to move a crosshair can outperform an MLG pro. Fair enough if you’re into multifront battlefields but using that to point out CoD weakness is what ignorance is about.

This is pretty much the first CoD/Not-CoD article I can remember where any sort of rational progress has been made.

I still think you’re making it very black and white Michael. The fact that people listen to stupid songs on the radio or on their iPods while they’re cleaning their bathrooms or whatever, says absolutely nothing for how they genuinely feel about the song itself. It’s just good to have around. There’s nowhere near the same investment as the one a gamer has in the average game.

Having spent quite some time on music production myself, I can attest that if you take those songs apart, there’s lots of bits and pieces in there that take genuine talent to come up with. As far as I know, Lady Gaga is a classically trained pianist.

I still don’t think the analogy is apt though, since people like Britney Spears and Lady Gaga are really not in the business of selling music, they’re in the business of selling themselves. If they can put themselves in a position that’s percieved as being above everybody else, then they can make a certain ammount of people come out to see them in concert, and earn a living.

To take another example, there’s a very popular boyband in Denmark that outsells everyone year after year. Their lyrics are all sexual innuendo and they look like a couple of fags. They sell 10,000 copies like it was nothing (a lot, these days) – But who’s buying it? According to statistics, 7-12 year old girls.

Simply put, they’re not selling music, they’re selling two guys who look like fags, and make little girls tickle.

can i just leave this here and go? I am quite frankly getting sick of the CoD bashing aswell, who cares its just a game. Gaming got mainstream, it sold out just like music and hollywood. Doesnt mean good innovative stuff doesnt get made just look for it elsewhere, especially steam, xbla/psn and iOS

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/3285-Defending-Call-of-Duty

@65 Nowhere did I say it was only played by basement dwellers. Read it again.

“I’m not saying that you’re a simpleton if you play it. I’m saying that the majority of the people who play it are. 13 year old kids (who should be monitored better by their parents) and lazy, basement dwelling males whose entire breath of gaming experience is Halo, Call of Duty and Gears of War.”

Note the use of the word “majority” in the sentence. Note how the word “majority” doesn’t mean “everyone”. Note how *nothing* I’ve said has singled out any user and that none of my remarks have been aimed at them.

You’re the one taking a remark that isn’t even directed at you and taking it personally. If I actually thought someone here was a lazy, basement dwelling loser, I would have said it straight to them.

@67 TEA was never banned for disliking Sony. TEA was banned for directly insulting people constantly in his posts. He was directing his insults straight at users, constantly, in almost every single thread he posted in.

The difference here is not that hard to understand. Seriously.

@71 Franchise selling is not that different. It’s all about creating a brand. That’s all Call of Duty has become… the Denmark boy-band of video games.

Could it be that Ireland_Michael is becoming the thing he hates? A internet troll?!! How very Nietzche o_O

Of course he’ll blame COD

@73 Ah-ah, you’re missing the point.

Marketing is marketing, we’re talking about products. And the products couldn’t be more different. One is marketing a human being, the other is marketing a designed, creative activity.

You can’t play a game without investing yourself in it. You can very much listen to music without doing it.

I listen to plenty of popular music whenever I’m driving around, because I can’t be arsed to bring my own. It does fine for a drive, but would I ever listen to it outside traffic? Fuck no.

The same cannot be said for a game, unless you play in terribly short bursts at a time. Most people will invest a lot more, and they’ll be subjected to the intricate bits and pieces of the game in a way that most people never would listening to music.

To do the same thing with music, you’d basically need to let people mix their own song, and pick their own effects.

lol Michael, what’s wrong with you? Call of Duty is the best shooter this generation, you can’t argue with that. It’s not about power, advertising or mindcontroll. The game is fun, sure it’s technically outdated, but it’s fun.

And I’m ready to pay 40€ every year to have fun.

PS: I haven’t seen an Ad for Call of Duty in a while

@76 “Call of Duty is the best shooter this generation, you can’t argue with that.”

Uuuh, yes I can. Very easily in fact.

LOL @ 73.

Right then I think I get it now.
The majority are lazy basement dwelling males and 13 year olds but if you play it you may not be in that category.
My bad so for taking your comment out of context.

I reckon I will just walk quietly away now and leave this wonderful thread to the basement dwelling 13 year olds.

@78 The average casual video game consumer doesn’t sit around video game news websites discussing the game the game. They’re too busy sitting in their mom’s basement playing the game, after all.

It’s just like how the average WoW player doesn’t actually go onto the World of Warcraft forums, only the hardcore players. They’re too busy playing the game to get caught up in that shitstorm.

Again, if someone wants to talk a remark not directed at them personally, that’s entirely their choice. Doesn’t change the fact that it’s not directed at them.

“Call of Duty is the best shooter this generation, you can’t argue with that.”

Anybody can argue with that assumption; given that ‘best’ is an intangible metric. The same thing would apply like if ‘Battlefield’ was substituted in place of ‘Call of Duty’ in your comment.

Horses for courses etc.

`Uuuh, yes I can. Very easily in fact.`

Really? Okay, maybe there’s Halo, but even Halo is not that much played by people like CoD.

/e: Now that I mentioned Halo I recognized that we could have the same discussion about Halo games. Microsoft has the money, microsoft makes the people buy it!111

PS: I don’t like Halo, but I love Lady GaGa xDDD

@81 I don’t like Halo either.

I’ve played nearly 200 hours of MW2 personally, and I haven’t been able to establish any of the pretty simplistic stereotypes that people put out. You’ll always have idiots popping out of the woodwork to go “NICE!” or “OWNED!” after a game, they do that in BC2 as well, but I haven’t found it to be the rule, playing the game. Most people suffice with a “GG” and some whine with a “BG” if they need to.

Personally I’m 26 years old, average intelligence, I’ve read a few books, done a bit of music, done some writing. And the people I usually play with are 30+, holding executive jobs, and an editor of the sports news segment on the evening news.

I’m obviously not saying they’re the norm, but given that we have no problem enjoying CoD between us, I think the notion that it’s somehow only for these imaginary brainwashed zombies who apparently do anything the TV tells them to, is a bit of a stretch.

I really don’t get why you are saying someone taking a remark not intended for them?

Just as a side thing here Michael.
What fps games do you actually think are much superior to this one?
Both online and sp of course.

Let me make one thing clear.

I’ve played and thoroughly enjoyed the original Call of Duty, as well as Modern Warfare 1. At the time, it was still inventive and original. And Infinity Ward definitely have a talent for making the Call of Duty games feel meaty and visceral in a way that the other developers of the franchise do not.

With 1, 2, 3 and 4, you can could at least feel the changes and evolution between titles, as the experience provided along with the technology.

But since then… beyond moving a few weapons around and changing how your level, the core experience of the game has completely stagnated. By Modern Warfare 2, I’d becoming completely tired of playing the exact same thing again, and again, to the point where I simply found absolutely no enjoyment in the experience.

Modern Warfare 3 doesn’t just look like the “same old, same old”. It looks like a step back. The graphics look cheap and plastic, and the animations look terrible (again, something Infinity Ward actually had a knack for), and absolutely nothing new has been added to the core experience of the game.

I, and many others, are simply tired shitless of the Call of Duty experience, and have moved on.

@84 Battlefield 2, Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Team Fortress 2 and Bulletstorm.

| I, and many others, are simply tired shitless of the Call of Duty experience, and have moved on.

Apart from when it comes to posting comments about it :-p

@83, Completely agree with, my little clan are all between 25-35 & the most vocal online sure don’t sound like their waiting for their balls too drop…

Tbh the most abusive/aggressive guys on COD are easily adult males, probably scared all those 13 year olds away

@85 And you’re perfectly entitled to think what you think Michael.

I’ve played the same games (with the exception of 3) and personally haven’t seen any major shifts towards anything new, except for the added spectacle of going into Modern Warfare.

There’s a bit more shit going on in the background, there’s a lot more scripting, and it looks slightly better with each go, but fundamentally the gameplay is still the same as we played it in 2003, with the exception of multiplayer, which got a much needed kick in the ass with MW2 in my opinion. The only real difference is that Treyarch barged in and started making some subpar copies every other year.

I’m not saying that’s the ultimate account, I’m just saying we have much the same references, and an entirely different idea of how they fit.

Fundamentally I think the idea that people don’t choose or think for themselves is completely idiotic, and even with the exagerated role that marketing is given these days, I’m pretty sure that any marketing exec would agree. Marketing can’t make you buy anything, at most it can make you consider it.

Emphasis on “consider”.

Well I only played the first bf so I cannot compare.
Some valid points there in your last post as I deffo thought the sp in mw2 was the worst.
Way too scripted and too easy imo.
I finished it on the highest setting first time out.

I thought they were going back to the older feel in this one on the multi,no?

`Battlefield 2, Battlefield: Bad Company 2, Team Fortress 2 and Bulletstorm`

1. great but no singleplayer and last gen :F, 2. good but crap singleplayer, 3. (imo) overhyped crap and no singleplayer, 4. awesome, but no multiplayer but the lame echo mode, right?

=)

@90 Bulletstorm has a “horde mode” multiplayer, and it’s some of the best fun I’ve had online in an FPS in years.

I play for the multiplayer component. I couldn’t honestly give a damn about the single player in most of these kinda games, bar Bulletstorm, simply because it was so unique and incentive in a genre showered with turds.

@85:

Errrm…

For a start, CoDs 2 and 3 were both criticised for continuing a much over saturated WW2 sub-genre. Nothing “inventive” or “original” about that, whatsoever.

CoD3 was a horrible mess… no… let me start that sentence again:

CoD3 was an utterly disgusting, cheap, nasty, pathetically horrible pool of steaming, putrid diarrhea. It wasn’t a step backwards, it was a jump back into the dark ages. (I still remember seeing enemies spawn right in the middle of the battlefield!)

CoD4, as DSB has pointed out, was effectively CoD2 in a modern setting the only real change was the engine improvements and the MP. It was the MP that was so far ahead of the competition.

WaW was a love it or hate it game. The MP was basically CoD4′s, but in a different setting. No change there, I’ll admit that.

MW2 just took CoD4 and made it 10 times bigger.

BO took MW2 and took out much of the excessive stuff. It made things more simple and closer to CoD4, than MW2.

So it should be blatantly clear, to anyone who’s actually played them, that these games are not the same, or even close to being ‘basically the same game’ by any stretch of the imagination.

That’s why you get people like DSB, who like MW2, but not BO. Or people like Erthazus who hate MW2, but play BO for 500 hours. If they were the same game, that simply wouldn’t happen.

Would it?

“Or people like Erthazus who hate MW2, but play BO for 500 hours.”

Sorry, this still cracks me up

#75 Well put.

For the record however, population of the game doesn’t automatically imply superiority either, it ‘d be shallow to disregard other factors such as the learning curve, accessibility in general and personal preferences. You don’t see MLG as the most populated playlist. Fun is subjective, and can vary from time to time even for the same person, no to mention you meet plenty of different kinds of players online, from 12 years old girls to old men.