Modern Warfare 2 was “an immense disappointment”, says Crysis 2 writer

never played mw2 but i would agree =)

I agree with him and agree with the statement about Uncharted 2.

I can say that MW2 storyline was worse then kindergarten shit.

To make a storyline about bad Russian Federation where people worship russian terrorist at Red Square (making a statue of a terrorist there) and then making cheap level where Russian terrorists kill Russians in not a Russian airport (It looks like not a Russian airport) + Russian Policeman going with GERMAN M9 was the most funniest thing i ever saw.

No to mention bullshit in Favella where Americans shoot everybody with no reason.

and stupid Russian attack to the USA that makes no sense at all. Why they attack and e.t.c. Just no reason. They just attacked because Russians found dead american terrorist that was a spy.

Logic is over 9000.

Oh man, it’s just a disaster. Same disaster goes to Battlefield:Bad Company 2 singleplayer, but atleast it’s more fun with destruction.

Infinity Ward and Activision don’t.give.a.fuck.

I absolutely agree. Modern Warfare 2′s a fun game, but it’s massively overhyped and the story was terrible.

Primarily American console shooter has hackneyed and poorly written storyline, news at eleven, read by Captain Obvious!

Aside from the Wii, consoles don’t have point and click adventures or strategy games, they’re not targeted at people who want clever and intelligent/intellectual games, it’s just average people looking for a quick rush. Brit Joe sixpack in his living room with his beer and 360 controller wouldn’t give a shit about the storyline.

Is this really a surprise to anyone?

@ 5: Um… Assassin’s Creed and BioShock would like to say a big HELLO.

@6

Gutter tripe, really. Assassin’s Creed was known or having an exceedingly poor plot, the future stuff was undiluted nonsense. BioShock also had a really clever setting, but many people thought the whole Adam thing and the storyline was ludicrous and filled with holes.

If those are what you classify as a good story then you’re just Joe Sixpack, and I thank you for proving my point for me, you clearly don’t know what a good story is and have rarely experienced one.

Like I said, console owners don’t give a shit about that.

If you’d said Mass Effect 2, then you might have earned yourself a surprised raised eyebrow. At least that had a fairly well written storyline with some very memorable characters.

Plus, the whole Atlas is Fontaine thing was gut-wrenchingly bad. Along with the “Would you kindly” mechanic that was supposed to explain why you did what you were told, but never managed to convey why the player obeyed and listened to Tenenbaum.

Really poor storylines, honestly.

Jesus! Wind your neck in, I was only passing commentary. As an ex-student of medieval history (incl. the crusades), I’d say that AC1 had a terrific plot with some great twists that captivated me throughout. The conspiracy subplot in the sequel only compounded it, but hey, just IMHO and I am quite partial to fiction that postulates everything we know is a lie.

ME2 ‘s plot was science fiction 101 – the gameplay was great, but it’s no 2001: A Space Odyssey.

How about Heavy Rain then? Sold well and is hardly made with Joe Sixpack in mind.

Ironically, I really didn’t get on with CoD4 at all but really enjoy all parts of MW2.

wow, finally someone who thought that Bioshock story wasn’t good.

The problem with Bioshock’s story was that it ended before the game did.

The guy isn’t wrong, but come on, he was a writer on Crysis. The only story told throughout that game was “Check out our graphics engine!”.

I haven’t seen a story in any game that I found compelling in a long time. It seems to me like they’re just hiring the guys who can’t cut it anywhere else. You can pretty much tell which 1980′s action flick they’re ripping off after 5 minutes.

The original Mass Effect had me going, but Mass Effect 2 was just one big plot gap struggling to justify a total lack of continuity, like everybody was scrambling to make it up as the programmers went along. That ending… That’s definitely the most ridiculous derailing of an otherwise good story I’ve seen yet.

That being said, if you buy a Call of Duty game looking for a great narrative, you’re a moron.

This dude is 100% spot on.

To be fair, the resolution of ME1′s plot was exactly the same as the Book of Job (the antagonist’s motives are beyond man’s comprehension) and made about as much sense. For good hard sci-fi, you’d have to look at Marathon (obviously) or System Shock 2.

@ 13 – to be fair this guy is a writer for crysis 2 not crysis 1

Bioshock had the best fucking story this generation, you guys are just not smart enough to comprehend its underlying messages , since they are not written, nor shown, but done. They are not obvious and usually games should be obvious even if they contain some kind of clever message. Bioshock went beyond that but a lot of people were left behind with “em… err… that was mkay”.

Strongly disagree with that.. I found Bioshock to be boring.. i HATED the time period it was copying of the 20′s & 30′s.. That “3 generations Old” to me sucked severely.

Bioshock shined more through its setting and back story, the actual plot you played was abit boring and nothing special imo.

@16 Very true. I always miss those things.

He’s definitely got his work cut out for him though, the Cry-games never had a whiff of story beyond the Wolfenstein school of narrative. But of course he wouldn’t want to touch on that.

Ka-ching, and what not.

@Gheritt White, Assassins Creed and Bioshock story is generic at best. I’m sorry. Especially Assassins Creed story. After so much books about that shitty sci fi Animus stuff. It’s not interesting, but yeah, Renaissance and setting is just a poor excuse.
Bioshock have just great setting and atmosphere, everything else is for typical console gamer that don’t give a shit.

@13 he is a writer of Crysis 2 and Crysis 1 had allmost no writer at all.

If AC’s story is so generic, please can you detail which pre-existing paradigms Ubisoft Montreal was referencing?

Furthermore, how about Far Cry 2? If you don’t think that’s an “intelligent/intellectual” game, please explain your reasoning.

I’ve a feeling that some would prefer to look down on console games no matter what than concede that a few are actually quite weighty.

@Far Cry 2? Owwww…. That is just a FAIL. It’s just a typical B movie with sand box element with the cliche story about a guy the idiot who you need to kill (+ he was at the start and for no reason he left you alive. Awesome). Thats the plot. Awesome.

I like playing games on console and i don’t look down on it, because there is my favourite game that has the best story, settings and e.t.c. overall.
It’s just “MOST” of people who play consoles in most cases don’t give a shit. (Games like Modern Warfare 2 with sales prove that).
+ We are in the generation where game designers look for the good writers.

I mentioned Far Cry 2 not because of its story, but because of its mechanics.

FC2′s attempt at brutal realism through open-ended non linearity, weapon degradation, vehicle malfunction, disease, dynamic fire and the dynamic weather system that has an effect on enemy AI is far removed from the arcade shooter-like traits of games such as CoD and Halo. In that sense it requires a far more measured, smart approach than other console shooters.

The plot, as it happens, is set in a location few (if any) videogames have visited before and attempts to a construct a narrative incorporating socio-political commentary in a modern real- world context. Far from being all very simplified and gung-ho, a la CoD: MW2, I’d say that it’s quite morally complex, especially considering that The Jackal is far from being an out-and-out bad guy.

Well, with that i agree. It’s an interesting approach and interesting idea. The problem is that it is not a good game and intellectual ideas are not perfect there.

So i don’t understand why you tried to explain me why it is an “intelligent/intellectual” game. No matter what mechanic there are, it’s not good.

Games like Stalker or ArmA 1,2, Operation Flashpoint 1 and e.t.c. have deep interesting mechanics and they are GOOD games.

Whether the game is good or bad is not the point here – TheWulf said above that console gamers do not want “clever and intelligent/intellectual games”, but rather console gamers are “just average people looking for a quick rush”. I disagree with both points and have argued accordingly. I think it’s a mistake to characterise such a numerous demographic with such a broad stereotype.

he´s right…after the hype of cod 4 iw just rested on their laurels. they delivered a fun game wiht mw2, but it´s only fun because they did not change the gameplay. the story and singleplayer was not only a joke – it was ha punch in the face of their customers- what they were trying to say was: you stupid idiots will buy any crap we come up with because we are the greatest and you are just a stupid videogame nerd who believes it. you can see that happening again with the recent dlc. i don´t get it.

@Gheritt,

We want it, we just don’t seem to care a great deal if we don’t. That applies to the pc crowd as well.

I find it funny btw how TheWulf makes it sound as if one way of entertaining yourself via videogames is more superior to the other though, one can as well say PCs don’t have fighting/slasher games, thus a typical PC gamer is a pretentious pseudo intellectual playing Zuma during launch breaks, and can’t hold a gamepad in his trembling hands.

@29 Bullshit. Why people think that PC don’t have fighting, slasher games? There are a lot of fighting and slasher games.
And who want to play with gamepad have a chance to do that with Xbox 360 controller or PS3 controller.

@26 sales of Modern Warfare 2 prove that console gamers search for no brainer non stop stupid action. Or Gears Of War sales and e.t.c.

@30
May I remind you, that many pc players play Call of duty and the boycott certainly wasn’t over story.

It is not “Console” gamers, it is transends platform, we have grown accustomed to games with little story and so don’t mind it and will buy “no brainer action”, hell those games are still fun – multiplayer-centric games don’t need story to be enjoyed by anyone.

HOWEVER, we do love it when there is an exception, a game that does have a richer world, or storyline e.g. Mass Effect, Bioshock.
So please, do not be so simplistic, it makes you look like a dick.

@Erthazus heh. you really don’t understand what I’m saying don’t you?

and no it doesn’t. Ninja Gaiden games, Bayonetta, DMC games (DMC4 was a port anyway), it doesn’t even have something like GoW. I’m not even sure Dante’s Inferno was ported. these games were born on consoles and PC has half assed ports, if any at all.

@31 you mean 57000-60000 people playing COD online? WOW.
and i understand that. I don’t mind games with little story, but i don’t agree that console gamers have games without story. Final Fantasy games, my favourite story game ever: Metal Gear Solid
I’m talking about the people that buy shitty stuff like Modern Warfare.
And please, don’t try to explain me what is console, because i play PC and consoles.

@32 i understand what you are trying to say, i’m just giving you the examples of slasher games and fighting games that you said in the early 29 post: *one can as well say PCs don’t have fighting/slasher games*

DMC 3,4 + Street Fighter 4 and e.t.c. there are still fighting games and slasher games. Yes, its not much like on consoles but to say that someone can say that PC’c don’t have fighting or slasher games is bullshit. So your example is out of place.

wow, you’re funny. and you don’t even understand what’s ‘out of line’ as well.

explanation for Erthazus:
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I was generalizing, similarly consoles have some point and click/adventure games. and PC doesn’t have any of the better ones. a 2 years late port of DMC3 Special Edition, a late port of DMC4, a port of Darksiders. and that’s about it is since 2001!

go play some Oniblade haha.

@ 33: In the same way that you cannot say PCs don’t have fighting or slasher games, so in turn you can’t say that “console gamers search for no brainer non stop stupid action”. Heavy Rain, BioShock, Far Cry 2, Assassin’s Creed – fuck it, even Shenmue – all speak to the opposite.

@Gherrit White Post #9:
Heavy Rain’s story was disappointing as well (imho).

—SPOILER:
A former policeman (who obviously is too fat to crawl through the funnel in the second task and garnish it with bits of broken glass) drowns little boys because his father did not love him… mkay?
Not to mention that there is no explanation for Ethan Mars’ blackouts.
—End Spoiler

Just because it disappointed you, doesn’t mean that it’s aim wasn’t to be deep and meaningful. This isn’t about personal preference or notions of good and bad/success and failure, it’s about what the games were trying to achieve as well as why their audience purchased them.

All I’m saying is that there is an an appetite for “clever and intelligent/intellectual games” on consoles.

There’s just no point,
I was trying to argue against the idea console gamers aren’t interested in story, I quote

“sales of Modern Warfare 2 prove that console gamers search for no brainer non stop stupid action. Or Gears Of War sales and e.t.c.”

I may have misinterpreted the point, but that makes it seem that
1) Console gamers are more simple-minded than PC gamers
2) People don’t care for games with story

I was saying that PC gamers aren’t immune to buying ‘no-brainer action’ just like console gamers (because they can still be great)
And that decent story or world is loved and welcomed by gamers as it makes it a more immersive and so more enjoyable experience, as it is the case with many critically and commericially successful games.

@37: You’re right – there is a certain interest in story-driven games.
“doesn’t mean that it’s aim wasn’t to be deep and meaningful”
Unfortunately Heavy Rain is neither deep nor meaningful (this is not personal preference it is a fact).
I appreciate the attempt to create a good story-driven game but sadly Heavy Rain is a game for people who think it makes them look intellectual.

I can’t imagine many people bought heavy rain to make them appear intellectual… you try impressing someone by saying you play video games of any sort.

Another guy having a go at MW its gettin pathetic now.

I don’t think it’s about story or not story, or some genre or not some genre. It’s fundamentally about including gameplay elements that work, and that are loads of fun. What those elements might be is anyones guess.

For some it’s destructible environments and a ton of TNT, for others it’s neat, concise gameplay, for yet others, it’s an epic story.

Personally I’d love to see some more games that actually attempted a real story. It seems to me like developers aren’t even trying anymore. That being said, as long as the gameplay is solid, I’ll still give ‘em a spin.

@41 The biggest players always take the hardest hits, but it is interesting to see how blindly people attune to that sort of thing.

is this guy writing crysis 3? guy needs shot for writing crysis 2