Rumour: HacKzoRz find nuke multiplay type in MW2

tut tut tut
Is this ‘DLCode’ to be above normal price too

This is exactly why I suspect all dlc. It’s completely a money making scam.
Extra maps and modes which should ship with the game but don’t.
Of course though loads of people will still pay for this meaning they will do it again and again.

Huh? Activision doing what Capcom was doing with SFIV not surprising. Another reason I don’t buy their games.

maybe they are just releasing them over time, they added more game types to cod4 over time (if i remember correctly, i think)

also, I’m pretty sure all game types wasn’t available on the first day for MW2

or, perhaps this will get bundled in with a map pack, which i don’t think any of us would mind to much

When they decided to hike the retail price for this game it stinks to be fair but I blame the Kotick he is evil!

considering maps, there is a surprising lack of an oil rig and a gulag multilayer map, most of the data for these maps would already be sitting on the disc, tut tut

“Huh? Activision doing what Capcom was doing with SFIV not surprising. Another reason I don’t buy their games.”

The only thing they did with Street Fighter IV like that was offer you additional pay-for costumes for your character. You’re under no obligation to buy them.

The Championship Mode, which added an entirely new gameplay mode onto the game, wasn’t on the disc. Even more importantly, they provided it to you for *free*!

Mountain out of molehills, much?

Anyway, I won’t be surprised if this turns out to be “paid-for” DLC that already exists on the disc. If it is, Activision can go fuck themselves as far as my credit card is concerned.

The costumes were located on the disc. Still a dick move imo and they did the same on RE5 with the VS mode was also on the disc already.

Who cares about a bunch of costumes (that add no actual extra gameplay to the game) when they provided an entire game-mode for *free*?

The costumes were there for those who wanted them whilst giving Capcom a little extra revenue. Yet an entire game-mode was given to you FREE OF CHARGE… and you *still* complain?

Resident Evil 5 is not Street Fighter IV. They made you pay for Vs. in RE5. They did not make you pay for Championship Mode in SF4. Hence you point is null and void.

I found the extra modes too, they were in a box under a bush in the north east corner of the favela level. There was an honesty tin there too. But I though fuck it, I’m just taking them anyway, I’ve already paid £40 for this piece of shit game I’m not paying any more!

Sorry, but this looks like a canned game type.

It looks rubbish for a start. Not to mention impossible.

There’s almost no way to capture a point for the amount of time shown in this video. Anyone who’s ever tried to capture the Bravo flag on domination will tell you that.

Anyway, these PC gamers (who come up with stuff like this) are pretty pathetic. I mean, seriously… “Modernwarfail”!???

And how long has he been looking for stuff like this to exploit??

Get a life. Get over the game and go play something else.

What does when DLC is developed or whether it is on the disc already have to do with it?

You know what you are getting when you buy a game – if it’s not good enough value then don’t buy it, fairly simple no? When they release DLC then consider the value to you and pay if you want it. All the whining and me, me, me gets on my tits.

Yeah it does have an old code remaining in the game vibe to it. But I want to be outraged at something

I didn’t know about the CHampionship mode O’Connor. Still, putting “DLC” content on the disc and then paying for them to be unlocked is a dick move. To me its like buying a cabinet and finding there a locked hidden cache and you have to go to the buyer and sells you the key to unlock it. Its old school scam “heres a bottle” “Oh you want water with the bottle thats an extra 5$” THis type of business should not be encouraged.

Which is why I don’t buy bottled water.

It’s their game!

They can do what they like, and you don’t have to buy it.

If they wanted to charge £1 million, they could do it. If they wanted to charge you 50p per minute to play online and £100 for every level up, they could do it, because it’s their product and they’re free to charge you as they see fit.

If they put TEN GAMES on one disc and charged you to unlock them year after year, it’s their prerogative.

There’s no ‘rule of fairness’ that says that all DLC for every game has to be developed after the game is released.

They are free to do it, just as gamers are free to voice their opinion on the matter.
That is sort of the point of the comments sections.

@Phoenixblight
No it’s nothing like that at all. The product I paid money for was something without these features – I knew that at the time and was happy to pay for it like millions of others. Anything above and beyond what I knew I was buy they can charge for. As long as the original content was worth the cash and the extra content is worth the charge I’ll pay for it.

The key difference between your examples and what we have here is that when you bought MW2 you knew what was in it.

If this DLC was released 3 months down the line and involved a large download would that be ok? Why does when it is developed and whether it is on the disc matter? The dev has still had to work and test the features – why shouldn’t they get paid for it?

It’s fair enough when people voice their opinion and leave it at that.

‘I don’t like the game, and I’m not going to buy it.’

Fair enough.

When people start going on internet campaigns, with the petitions, and the YouTube vids and all the rest, then that’s just nonsensical.

These people are like spurned lovers obsessed by a VIDEO GAME that lacks some features that they have convinced themselves into believing that they somehow deserve.

It’s like IW came into their house and took away their human rights!

There are plenty of games that I don’t like, but I don’t feel the need to spend all of my spare time trawling the internet, leaving negative comments and trying to convince the world that the game is somehow evil!!

Because of a few features!!!

This isn’t the NHS, or thet Royal Mail, or something that the general public NEED to be able to have a basic standard of life…

It’s a game that they don’t even need, and if they lived their whole lives without playing this game, it wouldn’t affect them in the least.

Because its on the disc so they included onto the disc. I bought Fallout 3 and the three DLCs, they did not include them onto the disc, when I choose to buy DLC I like to see the companies still developing for the game even after its been released. I buying these type of DLC is encouraging to do what they are doing. When you buy something like this you are encouraging these companies to lock content out of the game whats next, they lock out guns from the game and you have to buy them, look at what EA sports did with their last release. Its a slippery slope.

This DLC hidden onto the game is them locking stuff out and not developing anything for the game but just sitting on their hands until they “release” it. THis is just a milking scheme which is typical for activision with 3 studios making COD.

“when I choose to buy DLC I like to see the companies still developing for the game even after its been released.”

Why?

You do know that about 80-90% of development on most games stops months before the game is released, right?

It’s actually during that time that DLC and sequels actually start going into development. Long before the game hits the selves.

They’re not just going to sit around until release day sitting on their hands just to make you happy.

I know this. Giga I know how the process goes. They lock content out 3-4 months before release and polish the game for the remainder until the game has gone gold. During that time depending on the company ie Bioware they have a second group making the DLC while the core group is polishing.

So then why do you “like to see the companies still developing for the game even after its been released”?

It’s all about perception. It doesn’t matter when the developer makes the DLC, if you want it to be successful you need to show the consumer that it’s worth the money.

If you just putt it on the disc already, then it looks like an arbitrary way to increase the price of the game, downloading for the sake of downloading.

It should be treated like expansion packs were in the past. A way to bring extra content to the game that is actually worth something to the gamer.
You don’t do that on day one, and you don’t do that by having it already on the disc.

And not every game has long enough legs to have substantial DLC after release, forcing DLC into the proces anyway just makes you look bad and generate angry reactions.

IW announced DLC at E3.

Question: If this DLC is discovered on the disc at some point, does it matter?

Does it matter considering that
1. It’s additional content that the game doesn’t actually need for you to be able to enjoy it as originally intended, and therefore didn’t affect the review scores/previews/features of the game that you thought that you were buying.
2. People already knew that they would be charged for extra content way back in the summer, so if they want it, the delivery method after purchase is unimportant.

People are expecting DLC, so if they buy it and it turns out to be on the disc, or it gets delivered by carrier pigeon, or they have to dig it up at the back of their garden, it’s still what they knew they would have had to buy seperately if they wanted it.

Therefore, the idea that IW/Activision are springing a surprise on us that we were all unaware of and that we already ‘owned’ it doesn’t quite work for me.

If I buy MS Office, then usually, there are 3 versions in the installer.

Basic, something else and Enterprise.

Should I complain that MS won’t unlock Project for me even though I only paid for the Basic version??

It’s the same thing.

I can see both sides and agree it’s just business and they can do what they like, but I can understand why it feels a bit of a let down for stuff to be locked out of the disk.

Down Loadable Content (DLC) =/= Downloadable Codes for Content that we could’ve given to you on day one but thought the better of it and wish to eek out as much money as possible from you mugs (DLCFCTWCGTYODOBTTBOIAWTEOAMMAPFYM) Got a nice ring to it all the same.

It is the same thing as Office in the sense that Enterprise version is a substantial upgrade over Basic. And you pay for that.

A few levels arbitrarily held back with an unlock code you have to pay for isn’t substantial content.

That’s the trap publishers often fall into: wanting premium DLC but not having the time to make premium DLC.

Ok consider this. A dev has a workforce of 40-odd people developing a game. Towards the end of the project they employ another 4 people specifically to do the DLC and they complete and ship this DLC on the disc but locked.

By doing it this way they are able to reuse some of the main body of staff to help on the DLC when they would normally not be utilised, they also save distribution costs by having it on the disc. If they had done the DLC post completion it would have required 6 people to work on it an extra distribution costs (downloads have a cost to the publisher).

Some of the money they save gets passed on the the consumer so the DLC is 400MSP instead of 560MSP. The consumer also benefits by not having to use hard disk space for the DLC.

Result – a bunch of whining consumers who would much rather pay more and use valuable HD space at a later date.

The size of the content on the disc has never been raised before. All I seem to ever read from people is that they own the disc, so they should have access to everything on it.

Anyway, probably the most important point of note that seems to have gone missing here in a story about a hidden gametype, is the fact that IW gave loads of these away for FREE last time around.

(In fact, I personally, am totally expecting the exact same thing to happen this time around, and I’d like them to put first person Team Tactical back in there.)

So until there’s some actual proof that anyone is going to charge anything for this incredibly unimpressive looking ‘capture the nuke mode’ (which, again, looks like a canned game type to me), everyone else should expect the same again.

If a car sells for 30000usd, costs 25000usd to manufacture today. And said company could figure out away to reduce the manufacturing costs of the same car down to 5000usd. What would the price of the car sell for? 30000usd. Don’t fool yourself Doc. No one is locking dlc on the disc to save the consumer money. They are doing to make themself more money.

Now, I see G1GAs point. But I also know that he is a huge coD fan. I think that is clouding your take on this

Yes Acti/IW can do whatever they want. Yes people can chose NOT to buy it. Right. Lets talk warhawk for a second. I own the game. Loved playing it. And because I didn’t keep up with the DLC, I can no longer find a game to play. Alot of games are like this. If you don’t own the DLC(esp where Map Packs are concerned) your going to be SOL. So many gamers not only feel compeled to buy the dlc, but really they feel forced to buy it for fear that there initial investment in the game will be rendered worthless.
I like the way Bungie has handled dlc in the past. First thing is that DLC was actualy extra conetnt. Secondly is that after a set period of time, the DLC packs became free. You could choose to pay to play right away, and many did. Or you could wait 6 months, and get the same map packs for free. This keep the community from getting segmented and divided. It also helps to continue to sell copies of said game(because buying an older game and knowing your going to have to spend 30usd in DLC is tad off putting to buying the game in the first place). Again you don’t HAVE to pay for the dlc. We get that. But if you want to be able to play the game, the game modes, on the maps, you kind of do. Nothing better then getting the msg pop up that states you don’t own this map, and of course it then asks you if you would like to buy it. That is bad enough. But when you put said “DLC” on the disc when it ships? In my mind, that is all kinds of wrong.
Vide gaming today is a soulless venture. I know I am older and have become jadded as hell. I know that I am not 17 and much of what is made simply doesn’t apeal to me. I get all of that. But when I log on to LIVE and everywhere I go is links to pay more money, advertising from McDonalds to Cell Phones to Mnt Dew, to all of that shiny new DLC. I feel very overwhelemed. I fell like I am at the mail and not sitting in bed or on the couch. I ask myself isn’t this ‘possed to be about playing games? Fun? All I see is more and more ways for companies to make me pay more money. Sure I don’t have to spend it, right? But wait, don’t I already pay for LIVE? Doesn’t at least some of my 60usd I spend on a new game go to support MS/LIVE? Didn’t I already buy the game? And as such shouldn’t the content on that disc be included? Why should I have to pay even more for the stuff I already bought? I get extra DLC, but this isn’t that. And it happens alot more then it should.
The next thing to be in the bullpen is episodes. Wait for it. 30usd for for the first two episodes, and 10usd each for the other 7 episodes. What? Want to unlock the MP modes? 20usd more for that. Don’t EVER fool yourself into thinking that one company loves you. Or that this is somehow about the game experience. or any of the other crap that we buy into. This is big bizz. Period. And it is about getting us to pay as much as possible as often as possible.

So your right G1GA we don’t have to pay. Hell we don’t have to play either. But, my friend, as a fellow gamer, and worse as a CoD fan, I would understand how you would be livid over this. I honestly can’t understand why your not.

MODERN WARFAIL 2

Its kind of like if you buy a car and you find a turbo charger under the hood but its locked and you find out that even though its already in your car, you have to pay for the privilege to unlock its use. Whatever is under the hood should be yours already. It different if you choose to go and have a turbo installed after market.

To be fair, if the locked content is given away free, then no harm no foul. imo.

OlderGamer
+1. that’s why i don’t buy console.

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1 Brownie point for Old Gamer. You put in words I could only dream of doing.

@OlderGamer
Even if the greedy companies take all the savings for themselves you’ve still got the added advantage of not needing to use your HD space to store it no?

“But when you put said “DLC” on the disc when it ships? In my mind, that is all kinds of wrong.”

Why? Why? Why? Why does it matter *when* it is developed. Surely it just matters that it has to be developed.

Lets also not loose sight of the bigger picture here. There is an assumption these game companies are rolling in cash. The majority aren’t. Successful big games like MW2 help keep the less successful games coming and increase the chances of seeing the next big thing. Get back to reality. Games are costing more and more to make and gamers demand more and more but are not willing to pay more than we did 12 years ago.

You can’t use the DLC is fragmenting argument and I don’t like that as CoD4 and CoD5 did something similar so it was obvious MW2 was going to do something similar. They already announced map packs at E3. So if it’s not something you want to buy in to then don’t buy the game.

You still store it on your HD you have to download the program that unlocks it for you. Though it may not be much but over time it will take a lot space especially with how much Map packs and such that is released with COD.

If they included the DLC on the disc then it’s potentially a big saving. A 500Kb unlock code versus > 1Gb to download.

No its more like 200+ MB Drdamn.

I am not sure how much memory the Map packs are through DLC for COD. SO I can’t comment on the comparisons.

Yeah, like I said before, IW gave new game types, patches and updates away for free with CoD4. They only charged for 1 map pack, so there’s nothing to suggest that they would behave any differently yet.

I do agree with you, OlderGamer, about feeling obliged to get DLC for playlists on MP games if all your friends have it, and that’s one of the negatives of the way that online gaming is going as far as gamers are concerned.

However, as I also said, I was even expecting IW to release new game types at some point, when they’ve got more data about how people are playing the game, for free.

Another thing is that with CoD4, if there was a party of people playing together and one of them didn’t have the map pack, then it was disabled for all players, so there was never a need to worry about losing players who don’t have it from games. I’m assuming that they’re planning to do the same for MW2.

Giga You have to understand IW does not make the price of the DLC, Activision does. IF Activision feels They can pull more money by putting a price tag on the DLC they can choose to. Remember whose the boss of Activision, that fat smug guy said he would raise the price higher for videogames if he had the choice. IW could pursuade Activison to let the DLC for free but its entirely up to Activison.

The only real bonus I can see here is HD space for sure. A small unlock is far less space then a traditional map pack type thing. This is esp problematic for those gamers with smaller HDs. I can not tell you how much space I have used for Rockband songs. Scary to think about it really.

As for why when the content was made is important? I think it comes down to principles. We were all sold on the idea of DLC being something that will extend our enjoyment of our fav games. While at the same time the idea of DLC was being pitched differently to game devs/pubs as something that will extend their profit margines and open up new revenue streams.

I think as a gamer content locked out on the disc doesn’t fit the whole “extends my enjoyment” beyond the retail purchase. And I think that right there is the problem. Some people will agrue that it does and we should be fine with being charged more money to play it. While others will feel whole heartedly that said conetent should be unlocked and included with the full purchase price of the game. I feel that way. If all of the content on the disc is going to cost me 80usd to play, then I feel slighted if the price isn’t 80usd upfront. And I feel cheated when asked to pay more cash beyond the full retail price for content that is on the retail disc.
If gamers differ on this single point, then no amount of talking is going to bridge that gap. That is why WHEN matter so much. Admitedly had IW held the same content off of the disc, and released it as true dlc that needed to be downloaded … then people would all feel better. If the game manual had included a code that imediatly unlocked said content(one time use for new game buyers, leaving out the second hand copies) people would have felt like they won a prize. If the content is unlocked for free down the road, people will feel fine. But if they have to pay extra cash to play content included on the disc they already bought … yes, people will feel badly about that. And I think they should. Alas we may simply have to agree to dissagree.

Edit:
Just a footnote, but I was speaking in general terms. If IW or Acti or whom ever decides not charge for locked out modes, then no big deal.

tbh, I think that the main intention behind putting DLC on the disc to be unlocked at a later stage is for a number of reasons.

1. Testing. If you can get it tested during the main development process, and you know that it all works before the game is out, you don’t need to worry about things like giant floating exclamation marks and save games that no longer work later down the line.
2. Peace of mind. You can pretty much guarantee that the DLC is going to be ready on the exact date that you want it to be. No need to worry about crunching to meet deadlines or other technical issues getting it the way.
3. Cost. As DD has touched on, all you need to supply at a later date is an unlock script/code, so (depending on your format/setup) no need to worry about covering the cost of the bandwidth that having loads of people download your product will create.

Still with spec ops included the game is better value than a lot of other offerings out there.
Plus multiplayer.

Yeah, I totally understand that Pheonix.

tbh, it’s something that has crossed my mind before, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Kotick put a ‘no freebies’ rule on all CoD products from now on.

I hope not though…

Calm down everyone, NOBODY said ANYTHING about IW/Activision charging for this content….yet. Perhaps it was something they pulled and don’t plan on using.

Oldergamer…pracer?