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Garry’s Mod creator responds to Gmod Kickstarter, prepared to fight in court

Tuesday, 7 May 2013 10:13 GMT By Dave Cook

Gmod developer Olympus Games launched a Kickstarter for its mod library, tracking and creation platform back in April, but we’ve only just stumbled across it. It is not to be confused with Garry Newman’s ‘Garry’s Mod’ tool. Newman has discussed the conflicts and similarities between both platforms with VG247.

Gmod is an platform that allows users to create clear libraries of mods they own, create their own mods and track news from the modding community – among other things. The Gmod Kickstarter currently sits at $13,153 pledged of its $75,000 goal with 17 days left.

While it may appear to be a rip-off of the ‘GMod’ name used by Garry’s Mod, Newman told VG247 that Olympus Games actually owns the name.

“It’s actually the other way around. They own the trademark for ‘gmod’ and have threatened to take us to court if we don’t other buy it off them – along with all their domains and Twitter accounts – or post a press release pointing out we’re not affiliated, along with a permanent link on garrysmod.com and our twitter, and force the community not to abbreviate Garry’s Mod to GMod.”

Regardless of who registered the ‘Gmod’ name first, Newman explained that Olympus Games’ argument is that he is intruding on their brand and causing confusion by bearing a similar name.

However, Newman argued the opposite, and said, “We would argue that it’s the opposite – people see their site and think ‘Is this Garry’s Mod?’. Also, Garry’s Mod pre-dates their trademark, as does the abbreviation of Garry’s Mod to GMod. As a bonus our game is called Garry’s Mod – not GMod. It’s only occasionally abbreviated to GMod out of convenience”.

Newman is prepared to take the issue down a legal route if necessary as he feels Olympus should have changed the name years ago to avoid such confusion.

“In my opinion he should have rebranded years ago. I have no idea why he would even call it GMod. If he wants to take us to court over it we will fight it because we don’t believe we’re doing anything wrong, but I really don’t think that people are donating to his Kickstarter to pay for lawyers”.

There you have it folks. Should Olympus Games take Newman to task over the natural shortening of his Garry’s Mod tool, or should they have rebranded it in kind? Let us know below.

UPDATE: Olympus Games has responded with its own take on events, emphasising its friendly intentions and preferring to rebrand than go to court.

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15 Comments

  1. Kreisher

    Garry Newman is an excellent developer and I have a great deal of respect for him. We’ve been in contact since early 2006 back when Garry’s Mod was still free to download (pre-steam). He’s earned his success through hard work and by building a great product.

    There is, however, another side to this story. Despite what the article suggests, I’ve actually avoided using attorneys (despite pressure to do so). Rather than post the story here in the comments I’m going to address this issue in the next update to KickStarter. @Dave Cook: If you’d like a one-on-one interview please contact me.

    - Skylar Kreisher

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Sanwiches

    I’m not sure it matters that you “actually avoided using attorneys “. I didn’t even know you existed whereas, I would guess, the majority of pc gamers know what Garry’s Mod is.

    Maybe you should just re brand your stuff.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. xavdeman

    @#1, Hey Kreisher, why don’t you answer the goddamn question? Why would you even call your tool GMod? I think Gary has the moral high-ground here, he has allowed your tool to intrude on the expectations of consumers by being named GMod, while it is neither a mod, nor does it have anything to do with G (whereas it is common for authors to name their products after themselves and you could have called your tool KTool, or just “Tool”, since that’s how you come across, with the threats and all).
    The most odious part of your demands is to “force the community not to abbreviate Garry’s Mod to GMod”, which truly makes me sick at heart, for it would impunge upon the freedom of people to converse in a manner of their choosing. How a community speaks amongst themselves is none of your business.
    I humbly request VG247 and Dave Cook to not humour Kreisher’s thinly veiled attempt at gaining attention and legitimacy for his means (‘See, this big gaming website also calls it GMod!’) – don’t interview this highly uninteresting and unoriginal troll.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. amishjim

    Every Skylar I’ve ever met was a douchebag. Seems to be a theme.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. silkvg247

    Meh.. what’s the world coming to. Just keep it exactly as it is and how about nobody sues anyone.. really complex right? Heck, include Garry’s mod as part of the GMod package – work together for the greater good.

    Orrr.. try to get a free buck at the expense of others.. the good old American way.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. theevilaires

    Fuck yea man fight that shit. Dude is basically trying to black mail him. If this was me I would pay this guy a visit and end it my way. The US legal system makes it too easy to try and sue others over dumb shit like this.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. DavidD

    This Skylar guy seems like a money hungry douche. Why would anyone support a guy who is trying to make money off other people’s freely available content? There is already a boatload of mod launchers available today that offer the same or better functionality and are completely free to use.

    To me it seems that he realised he can make money from abusing the legal system so he throws together some half assed logo and website and churns out some slapstick backstory on Kickstarter. I would be really surprised if the software actually exists.

    #7 2 years ago
  8. Elemental

    @DavidD I will have to agree with you on that. I have never played GMod (Don’t sue me Skylar) Garrys Mod, but when I saw the Kickstarter for ‘GMod’ I instantly thought it was Garrys Mod related. I researched further and when I saw it was actually something else and the developers were bragging that they own the trademark, I knew that it would be some sort of scam. It really seems like there are 2 kinds of people in this situation – one that has built their own success and another that will exploit their way into getting a part of it. People really have no shame these days.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. TheWulf

    I think that #5 pretty much covers anything I’d have to say on this. Copyright litigation continues to be ridiculous. It’s no better than that Nyan Cat nonsense, really.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. zibbizor

    This is clearly trolling. Nobody ever heard of these Olympus guys before this, but thankfully it looks like they aren’t going to reach their kickstarter.

    Also, who the hell needs so many developers for such a simple thing? and let’s not talk about the crappy logo that looks like it’s been made in 2002 aliased like a rotten grandma.

    The whole subscription based thing also makes it funnier because unlike Desura that’s the EXACT SAME THING + free and clearly better since it’s the developers themselves that manage their content and update it, these Olympus guys will never be able to compete since they’re going to charge for it and thus will need the written auth of a content’s author if they want to add it.

    Go to hell with Prassel and Titov kids.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. aspire cya

    Ridiculous is the only word that comes to my mind.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. HTF

    I have actually heard of these guys before. But not for anything good.

    A few years ago they released a version of their mod manager for several Elder Scrolls games, including Oblivion and Fallout 3.

    How they acquired their mods however was by downloading them on mass from the Nexus mod site then re-hosting them on their own servers.

    The thing to note here is they did not receive permission to do this from any of the mod makers involved (including myself and several HUNDRED others). This is a severe breach of copyright and copyright law.

    So effectively they are a company with a shady history involving copyright violations and attempts to profit off the work of others as well as this new attempt at extortion involving trademarks.

    My advice is to avoid.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. DavidD

    @HTF A quick search on his name brought up all manner of the issues you describe. Looks like this ‘GMod’ Mod Manager does actually exist in some form, but with a shady history such as the one revealed by Google I would definitely steer clear of this.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. cory012

    Would have been a much better article without the poor grammar and shoddy writing. Please don’t start sentences with “also”, also you’re copying a direct quote and either need to add a [sic] or get a direct quote correctly, “we don’t other buy”.

    #14 2 years ago
  15. rjhood

    @cory012 Maybe we should learn some basic reading skills before we try to pompously correct properly written articles. The sentence starting with “also” is CLEARLY from a quote. So take that up with Garry himself. And where did you figure out the “we don’t other buy” quote is misquoted? It was probably a typo on Garry’s end and though it might have been nice to have had it corrected (with the corresponding [sic]), there is zero wrong with it as is. So, please, don’t nitpick. You’re bad at it.

    Also, this Skylar character is pathetic. Some people just can’t learn. Here’s a couple of forum posts to back up what was said by HTF and DavidD: http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/402881-important-a-site-is-stealing-mods/ and http://forums.runicgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=18042&hilit=gmod

    #15 2 years ago

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  • Numenera: Strand is a film based on the game up on Kickstarter

    Numenera, the 2012 Kickstarter success and foundation for Torment: Tides of Numenera, could become a film if the Kickstarter for the movie is successful. With five days left, Monte Cook Games and Swedish film company Valdes/Eriksdotter needs £22,542 to reach its goal. Titled Numenera: Strand, it tells the tale of a drifter who “roams a […]

  • Gran Turismo 6 update adds MINI Clubman Vision, more

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  • Nintendo is bringing New 3DS Xl and some playable titles to PAX East

    Nintendo is bringing New 3DS Xl and Splatoon with it to PAX East next month. The E3 2014 build of the game lets eight players transform into squids in a race for “splattered-paint dominance.” Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. will also be playable and featured in stage presentations at the Nintendo booth. Upcoming or newly released Nintendo […]

  • Battlefield Hardline Premium information seems to have slipped out early

    Battlefield Hardline Premium perks have apparently leaked a bit early, according to a post on Reddit. Over on the Hardline subreddit is an image which was take at a GameStop location, noting two week early access to content additional Battlepacks and more. Here’s the rundown: Four expansions Two weeks early access 12 additional Battlepacks Exclusive […]

  • Final Fantasy: Record Keeper arrives in the US this spring

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  • Battlefield Hardline now available for pre-order, pre-download on Xbox One

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  • Dying Light interactive video allows you switch between day and night

    A new video for Dying Light has been released, which allows you to hit the Z key to change between day and night. Titles Life and Death in the Quarantine Zone, the interactive story video showcases how the game changes between day and night. Daytime and nighttime are shown side-by-side but the z key allows […]

  • Havoc DLC for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare out on PS3, PS4; PC delayed

    The Havoc DLC for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare is now available for PlayStation 3 and PS4. Havoc contains the four multiplayer maps Core, Drift, Sideshow, and Urban along with the AE4 directed energy assault rifle, its custom variant, and the Exo Zombies cooperative mode. You can purchase the DLC separately or pick up the […]

  • Here’s a teaser for Resident Evil Revelations 2: Episode 2

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  • North American eShop update is full of Donkey Kong games

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  • Venture into the Valley of the Yetis next week in Far Cry 4

    The next batch of Far Cry 4 DLC, Valley of the Yetis, releases in March and Ajay Ghale will be tasked with surviving violent cultists and the mythical Yeti. Apparently the cult is looking for a secret hidden in the valley, and Ajay has discovered their motives. The DLC features co-op with a friend taking […]

  • The Butcher’s AK/CAR Mod Pack out for Payday 2, has dino masks

    The 19th DLC pack for Payday 2 title The Butcher’s AK/CAR Mod Pack is available on Steam from today. The pack will run you $4.99/€4.99 and features: 11 new weapon modifications for the AK rifles in the game 11 new weapon modifications for the CAR rifles in the game Four new masks together with their […]

  • Battle Chasers slated for PC, consoles; comic picks up where 2001 storyline left off

    Darksiders creator Joe Madureira and Vigil co-founder Ryan Stefanelli have confirmed a Battle Chasers game and a new comic are in the works at their new studio Airship Syndicate. Speaking to Polygon, Madureira and Stefanelli wouldn’t provide details on the the game, but did divulge it will be an adventure RPG with player-controlled Battle Chasers […]

  • Shovel Knight, Hotline Miami 2 discounted for Sony’s annual Spring Fever Sale

    Sony is hosting its annual Spring Fever Sale which runs for eight weeks and features a new title each week. The sale starts next week on March 3 with the launch of Helldivers. Here’s just a few items included in the sale: HELLDIVERS (PS4/PS3/PS Vita) March 3 Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number (PS4/PS3/PS Vita) March […]

  • The gold Super Mario amiibo is a Walmart exclusive

    The Super Mario Gold amiibo which surfaced via a CPSIA certificate earlier this month will be a Walmart-exclusive, Nintendo has announced. The gold-colored Mario amiibo will be released the same day as the Mario Party 10 game for Wii U and will run you $12,96 at 3,000 participating Walmart stores in the US. Along with […]

  • Here’s an overview trailer for Final Fantasy Type-0 HD

    As new gameplay overview trailer for Final Fantasy Type-0 HD, culled from the Active Time Report, stream has been sent over by Square Enix. The video provides a look at the history and environments of the Kingdom of Orience; the 14 memebers of Class Zero; the battle system with customizable magic spells; and the ability […]

  • Final Fantasy 15 video gives you a look at the game’s wildlife

    A new video shown by Final Fantasy 15 director Hajime Tabata during the latest Active Time Report, contains a look at the game’s wildlife and ecology. You can watch the full stream two hour stream through here, or a smaller clip courtesy of GamesHQMedia below.

  • Lionhead ventures into the free-to-play space with Fable Legends

    Fable Legends will be free-to-play when it launches on PC and Xbox One. According to Lionhead, the one versus four cross-platform title borrows from MOBA games such as Dota 2 and League of Legends as it will contain free, rotating heroes which will be added to a roster for a two week period. Once the […]

  • Win! 5 pairs of tickets to the Call of Duty European Championships

    We have five pairs of tickets to giveaway for the Call of Duty European Championships, taking place in London this weekend. The event takes place this Saturday February 28 and Sunday March 1 at the Royal Opera House in Covent Garden. Winners can watch teams will go head to head for a $10,000 prize pot […]

  • Republique Remastered has released on Mac and PC

    Republique Remastered, which was announced earlier this month, is now available for Mac and PC. The game is 20% off through Steam, GOG and the Humble Store for $19.99 until March 4. Thereafter, it will run you $24.99. The Remastered edition contains all five episodes of the game, with 1-3 available now and the remaining […]

  • LA Cops coming to Xbox One in March

    Isometric shooter LA Cops is coming to Xbox One on March 13. Already on Steam Early Access, the game looks like it’s been heavily inspired by Hotline Miami. Walk into a room, open fire, leave bloody puddles in your wake. It’s being published by Team 17. Check out the video below for some 70s cop […]

  • We have $500 of Steam Wallet funds to giveaway!

    We’re giving away 10 Steam Wallet prizes worth $50 each to VG247 readers, courtesy of Bundle Stars. All you need to do to be in with a chance of winning $50 Steam credit is to enter your details below. Join the Bundle Stars Steam group for entry in the sweepstake, and gain extra entries for […]

  • Lapsed Final Fantasy 14 players tempted back with 10 day freebie

    Square is offering lapsed FF 14: A Realm Reborn players a chance to come back to the game for 10 days worth of free adventuring. Provided you’ve already bought and registered an account you’ll be able to play free of charge from Feb 27 to March 9. Square wants you to sample the new content […]

  • Advanced Warfare: Sledgehammer looking at “opportunities” to recreate classic Call of Duty maps

    Sledgehammer Games has told VG247 it’s looking at opportunities to recreate classic Call of Duty maps in Advanced Warfare. According to co-founder Michael Condrey, players of the latest Havoc DLC are asking how Exo abilities and verticality can be added to classic franchise maps. “We’re taking a look at some opportunities to really highlight the […]

  • GTA Online reader playlist week 7: and the winner is…

    Stuff was shot. But only one player emerged victorious. GTA Online player e031271 won last night’s VG247 reader playlist, beating myself, Matt and regulars solidorwot and Revolting. Congratulations, Mr e031271. A deserved victory. We play a GTA Online playlist in an open session every Wednesday on PS4, because it’s both funny and fun. Anyone’s welcome […]

  • Leaked screens reveal The Reef as Destiny’s new “social space”

    A handful of leaked Destiny screens seem to confirm that The Reef location will be the new social space in Destiny. The new addition is likely to be revealed as part of the upcoming House of Wolves expansion. Reddit user Megamanexe4 dropped the screens on the site earlier this morning, along with grabs that reveal […]

  • Darksiders creator teases Battle Chasers game

    Joe Madureira, creator of Darksiders, has released art that strongly suggests a Battle Chasers game is in the works. Battle Chasers was a comic book from the late 1990s that suffered notorious production problems between issues and was never finished. Madureira formed Airship Syndicate after the collapse of THQ, where he co-created Darksiders. His latest […]

  • Infamous video nasty Axe recreated in GTA 5

    The trailer for notorious horror movie Axe has been recreated in GTA 5. The shot for shot remake is the work of gigerbrick who has previously recreated exploitation flicks like Machete and Hostel using Lego. The original Axe movie was banned in 1984 in the UK but passed with cuts in the late 1990s. Movie […]

  • Payday 2 for PS4 and Xbox One includes “a year’s worth of paid DLC” for free

    Payday 2: Crimewave Edition will include a year’s worth of paid DLC from the PC version of the game for free. The new-gen version of the game will be available June 2015, and includes almost all of the paid and free DLC released so far for Overkill’s popular first-person shooter. That DLC includes The Big […]

  • Yes, Mortal Kombat X will require Xbox Live Gold or PS Plus

    Mortal Kombat X won’t bypass Microsoft and Sony’s premium online play requirements. Reports that Mortal Kombat X wouldn’t require PS Plus or Xbox Live Gold started circling earlier this week thanks to a communications error. Answering fan questions on Twitter, producer Shaun Himmerick accidentally gave the impression that premium console subs would not be required […]

  • This is what Destiny players most want next

    Destiny patch 1.1.1 has resolved or at least addressed a number of complaints voiced by the community, but there are plenty more. des Destiny community manage David “Deej” Dague has put out a call for Guardians to share their concerns – or rather, what they think the community is most concerned about. “Set aside your […]