PS4 APU “by far the most powerful” AMD has produced

so does that mean the ps4 can do tressfx?

PS3 > PC, confirmed!

@2 “wars start with words”

Correction: PS4 = PC.

In the end, the consoles didn’t destroy PC gaming, they became PC gaming.

PC gaming and console gaming are very different beasts… ur argument is rather naive. yes the architecture has become similar but the UX is far different

If it’s a 86 (32bit) system then how is it going to support 8gb ram ?

nope it’s an x86-64 thingy.. i was confused too but than looked it up and AFAIK it’s a 64bit machine

@6
Its x86-64. Or 64 bit.

@7
Damn you Beat me to it.

Wait couldn’t Cell do 1.8 teraflops by itself? Also all this spec talk I’m sure Microsoft has to see they have to go bigger and better right? Is AMD admitting that the 720 isn’t as powerful as the PS4? Why is everyone going with AMD also and not NVIDIA? I know Microsofts reason.

PS4 will be better than a PC built with the same specs.
Better bus, better optimization, better memory management with less OS tasks going at the same time.

So, PS4 games will be FAR better than a PC with the same specs because everything will be better optimized to work with those unified specs.

@8 http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrbhdqavMy1qejif9o1_250.gif

on a side note.. a lot of people really don’t get how games are made, i mean just look at the beauty that is UC3 and than look at Dark souls, both are running on the same hardware, and DS2 looks like shit where as Uc3 looks better than a ton of PC games, so it’s more about the teams that are making the game, and there ability to squeeze the living shiz-nit out of the system, than the amount of cuda-cores on your gtx.

Oops! Yeah, I meant PS4…

Like they are going to say we put in a middle of the road apu in there.. look Microsoft has more money if they wanted it they would have it. Simple. Sony needs it .its the best today .. nextweek something better is out .. welcome to the dumbass world of pc gaming

@13 I think you meant PS4 > xbox 720 confirmed.

@9 Yeah, you’re quite right. I read that somewhere. But the rest of the architecture combined with that 256+256 memory set up really did shaft the chances of using that horsepower. That’s why distributed computing tasks were so good, whereas gaming related tasks weren’t. However now the rest of the system is capable of so much more, combined with an easy (ish) architecture to code for and you’ve got some serious possibilities (Depends how well the devs get to grips with multi-threading for 8 cores).
By contrast, bear in mind that MS were able to more or less match the PS3 graphically with far less horsepower so I think that anyone discounting MS at this point is a blind fool even with this comment about the APU. Anyway, I have a 7850 which the GPU here is based on so I’m pretty pleased about how this could turn out for me if the PC versions get some of the console optimisations.

Yea Number 1, I am really curious guys I’m not a computer expert, but will the PS4 support Tressfx technology? It looks really nice for the next game gen, almost like cgi hair. Not trying to get anyone mad.

@17 No reason why not. From what I can tell, its up to the devs to use it as a plug in for their engine because it works with the DX11 APIs.

We don’t have one single piece of confirmed spec for the 720 yet, apart from that it will be using very similar architecture, so there’s really no point in making power comparisons. Save it for April

The 720 could compensate with a number of options:

- A faster discrete GPU

- The 32mb eDram could make up the shortfall

- The mysterious ‘Data Move Engine’ could be a form of bit blitter, which could be a huge boost to geometry, AI and texture population, etc..

It’s all conjecture at this point though.

This gen we had one machine with a stronger CPU and weaker GPU vs. stronger GPU and weaker CPU. The net result was, on balance, almost complete parity. It could well end up the same for the next gen. We just don’t know yet.

That is if MS want to compete on specs at all. Maybe they want to compete on price instead? For power users like us that would be disappointing, but for targeting the gaming masses that could be a good strategy.

The only thing we know for sure is that very similar architectures for PS4, 720 and PC mean that developers are going to be happy because they will have to spend less time bespoking, which means they can spend more time on the things that count like honing controls, AI, physics, level design, etc.

That’s a win for every single one of us.

Of course that’s all moot if MS decide to focus on Kinect. In which case it’s game over and they may as well quit now.

PS4 is already old tech. Why would anyone want to build a new PC round such tech when they can get better components?

Anyway, Intel is where it’s at. AMD suck

We’ll be playing emulated PS4 games on our PC in the next 5 years. Easy.

Consoles continue to be pish…

Can we get rid of this trolling piece of crap, PLEASE???

@20 wrong on the old tech. This is new tech, hence AMD talking about it. The point is that you can build an equivalent PC (I have almost exactly the same, just a 4 core CPU instead of an 8 Core APU) but you wont get the optimisations that come with console development so the point is moot. I accept this and I’m very happy with how my games look and run. Now to counter your childish Intel comment, Intel haven’t got an APU of this nature and quality available. Can you imagine and Atom powered PS4? Me neither, so back in your box mate, your being a tosser and giving PC players a bad name AGAIN!

Woohoo!!!

@19. Great post. Salient points clearly made. Agree 100%

JM

I think a lot of people need some education about the x86 architecture: x86 is the architecture, 64 bit is an extension. x64 or x86-64 is just a quick colloquial way of differentiating between that & the former 32bit extension. In fact, x86 originally started as 16 bit.

Well this interesting, I’m not that tech savvy at all, so maybe one of you guys can help me.

I was just listening to a podcast from ‘gamertagradio’ and there was a guy on there that stated the x86 cpu wouldn’t be able to read the whole 8 gigs of ram. Is that true?

@26
The cpus in both PS4 and Durango are x64 (or X86-64) and therefore the size of memory isn’t a problem form either machine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64

@26,
You know Game Journos are morons (not of vg247), don’t you ?
And a union of Hip-Hop and gaming sucks.

PS4 APU “by far the most powerful” that is based on Jaguar the successor to Brazos 2.0. END OF STORY.
MY grandmother PC with Dual core i3 will have more power then this shit because cores mean nothing when there are “Logical processors”.
AMD chipsets are so cheap and that’s the reason why they always losing in the market compared to Intel not to mention that AMD stuff is just cheaper in general.

+ it’s AMD. their processors are the weakest on the market compared to any Intel’s architecture.

So nope, cheap processor with x86 format for a console. The extension of this generation.

LOL what? PS4 tech is 2 years old. How can it be better than the current PC generation!?

@29 u seem to know more about AMD tech than AMD.. good for you man

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@28

I see where you are coming from. I enjoyed the hip-hop during my teenage years in the 90s. I can’t really get into the trash that they play nowadays.

In any case, I never heard of gametagrarido until I’ve seen in on N4G and the only reason I clicked on the link is because they had M. Patcher as a guest (believe it or not, I enjoy his input on the gaming industry)

But I should’ve known better with a site with the name gamertag in it. All they did was bash the PS4 and stated it was a “ok” performance. But I know if I can call these guys journalists. All of us on here can get together and create a site and report on what we like and don’t like about these manufacturers, does that make us journalists?

@33
I was joking!
I also mildly like Patcher. He definitely isn’t as bad as he is is made out to be imo.

@2 Keep talking, no one will agree anyway, whenever you mean PS3 or PS4

@29 No, the PS4 is certainly better. I mean an i7 with 600 Series is a bagazillion times better indeed, though let us not turn this magical moment for console players into (beg your pardon) shitstorm.

@33 Agreed.

Spot on Gad!

So many butthurt PC tards. Hilarious!

“We’ll be playing emulated PS4 games on our PC in the next 5 years. Easy.”
lol PC cant even emulate the “ancient” PS3 & 360 yet.

@37 that’s mainly to do with legal implementations. After 10 years it’s fair game. Hense all the NES, SNES emulators for phones etc.

@38, Then explain the Wii emulator.

Even though the PS4 specs don’t match the PC’s, I don’t need to pay a shitload of money just enjoy great games. Don’t get me wrong, I like the PC because I only play certain games on it such as Starcraft and other RTS games. I can buy a PS4 for a lower price and have fun with my friends.

If consoles had great keyboard and mouse support, I’d buy one tomorrow. Only thing is that I find controllers annoying for FPS games.

There are games that I enjoy a lot more, using a controller… I might add

I’d say the reason that Sony and others are using PC-like architecture is to make it easier for developers to run their game engines accross multiple platforms.

PS4 will be king for a while, but as we all know and if Moore’s law holds true, then we’ll have PCs twice as powerful 18 months or so after it’s release.

just my 2c