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Dead Space 3 resource ‘exploit’ similar to theft, claims IP expert

Monday, 11 February 2013 11:52 GMT By Dave Cook

Dead Space 3′s use of microtransactions has got a lot of gamers upset and has prompted the games press to question the nature of micro-payments in console titles. However, a supposed glitch was unearthed in the game’s 8th chapter – although EA claims it isn’t a glitch at all – which supposedly gives players infinite resources. That could legally be considered stealing, says IP expert Sara Ludlam.

We missed this one last week, but Ludlam discussed the nature of microtransactions with the BBC, and said “If you go into a baker’s to buy a bun and they give you the wrong change and you walk away knowing you have been given more change than you handed over in the first place, that’s theft.

“So, arguably if you go into this game knowing you are supposed to be paying for these weapons and you notice a glitch allows you to accumulate them without paying, that’s theft as well. But it is arguable because it’s a new area.”

It is indeed a new area with plenty of grey patches that the industry hasn’t quite figures out yet. However EA responded to the infinite farming issue in a statement that we reported on here.

What’s your take on the issue? Are microtransactions the way forward, or can you not stand them?

Cheers OXM.

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27 Comments

  1. mithrandir

    Microtransactions are the big evil. They are the big temptress.
    To developers, they will tempt them to make the game SO hard that gamers will be forced to buy credits, or be forever grinding. For gamers, it will be like the sirens, constantly trying to lure you to give in, and spend those few bucks for instant pleasure.
    It doesn’t belong in games, and is now introduced for all the wrong reasons.

    As for Dead Space 3: Does Isaac even have a PSN account? If not, how can that be as immersive as it’s supposed to be?

    #1 2 years ago
  2. DeVitowned

    Fuck this dumbass. Not only did EA say it isn’t a glitch, the prick assumes, quite ignorantly, that you HAVE to BUY the resources. Stick to IP instead of blowing smoke out your ass.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. Ali

    Let me tell what is theft. Giving a baker 59.99 dollars to get a cake (shown to be complete with fruitcake on it) only to be sold the fruitcake as a stand alone even though they should be originally included in the deal.

    I paid 59.99 to get whatever you guys put on the game with the original budget. Breaking the contents apart and reselling em as DLC and upgrades is theft.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. Hirmetrium

    To put what #2 said more politely, the analogy and thought process here used is incorrect.

    It’s a very new area, and they have to be careful. You are effectively paying for on disk content that can be acquired for free – I do not see why EA are charging you for it in addition to the base price. Like the Baker charging you for the buns, then saying you can’t have them crispy unless you pay him extra.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. Fin

    Yer, the IP person hasn’t had the whole thing explained to her. Bit of a non-story.

    @3

    No dude, that’s not theft at all. It’s just people being mean. Totally different.

    @4

    No it’s not. (forgive me for going down the rabbit hole of analogies)
    It’s like the baker giving you a plate of buns and saying hey, I can separate these for you if you pay me extra, or you can separate them yourself, which is free but will take longer.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. Hirmetrium

    @5: More like the fruitcake doesn’t have fruit unless you gather it yourself, or pay the man extra.

    Analogies are still a poor way to approach the issue. This is similar to withholding content in a complete package and ransoming it for cash to the purchaser.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. Fin

    @6

    You have a source that they’re withholding content, rather than it simply not being ready?

    #7 2 years ago
  8. xxJPRACERxx

    I’m sure this IP “expert” bitch is the kind of asshole that sue because people post some shit on YouTube and you can hear some copyrighted music in the background or because you downloaded a book on a torrent site and you must pay the million dollar the company lost.

    100% agree with #2 and 3.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. Puggy

    Interesting topic to be honest.
    With all the Save Game editing software available for PS3 and Xbox 360, I would wonder if it is also illegal to alter your save in a way to have more resources.
    One could argue the save was created with the code (game) provided by the company and thus is theirs. However the code (game) was written in a programming language, so that would lead to the game not being theirs.

    And just to make sure, you should not make the mistake and confuse justice with “legal.” Two totally different pair of shoes there.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. lexph3re

    Wait so your telling me because the bakers dozen has 13 and not 12. I am stealing even though the baker intentionally gave me more to balance out his load?

    If Dead Space 3 was completely Micro based I would see her argument. However, it’s not. If this expert would have done a bit of research they would know earlier Visceral established M-T as a means to speed up the process not to be the focus point.

    I love people who formulate opinions on half assed research.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. Lloytron

    IP ‘experts’ comparing digital transactions to the real world? Oh dear.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Judicas

    Good lord! Are you that hard up for stories you really feel the need to post this kind of rubbish? Have some integrity and stick to actual news.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Hirmetrium

    @7: I don’t think you understand entirely.

    There is content which you must pay to access i.e. resources. Now, obviously these can be gathered via ingame and used to buy ingame weapons which you can get without paying for, but a lot of folks have compared it to old school cheats. Your paying for something you effectively… already own. It’s half withholding content (until you reach an arbitrary barrier) compared to say, free DLC in dead space 2 (which you have available from the in game store when you start).

    This new age of achievements also muddies the water SIGNIFICANTLY. Somebody has paid for a clear advantage over somebody else. Is that fair? how can achievements be compared if one person paid for them, and somebody else didn’t?

    And don’t forget the 11 Day one DLC packs. Thats a lot of content which no doubt was also with the game.

    There are several gray areas (as others have said) and issues at work here. None of them are simple, and this IP expert had made the situation considerably worse.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. Beta

    It’s not theft, it’s not even comparable to real world theft because you aren’t forced to pay to acquire these items.

    Uninformed dullard.

    #14 2 years ago
  15. TheWulf

    What?

    Did someone just compare a single-player videogame cheat to real world stealing? So, if I hack my copy of Pokemon Black (which I frequently do thanks to an Action Replay), then that’s the equivalent of stealing a car?

    …I don’t like modern day. Can I go back to the ’80s/’90s, please?

    #15 2 years ago
  16. TMRNetShark

    @All

    You didn’t know Pickpocketing in Skyrim was against the law? Yeah, it’s technically breaking the law, cause video games are real life! Also, speeding in Need for Speed will get you a speeding ticket…

    Sheesh these people are idiots.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. Phoenixblight

    “And don’t forget the 11 Day one DLC packs. Thats a lot of content which no doubt was also with the game.”

    You mean the weapons that can be made by just playing the game and crafting with the pieces? Also by just playing the game and using the scavenger bot and doing optional quests you get ration seals which you can then purchase the dlc packs. Really the only people that are complaining about the micro-shop are the people that clearly haven’t played the game.

    #17 2 years ago
  18. The_Red

    So people are stealing from the game that they paid 60 dollars for? Yeah right. The bakery example is just hilarious. You don’t pay 60 bucks for a bun.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. DSB

    Gaming was making a lot more money for everybody when they weren’t doing this shit.

    Maybe because they were busy actually making games, instead of business models.

    #19 2 years ago
  20. YoungZer0

    @19: Back then we would only milk the cow. Now we milk it till there is no drop left. We cut it into pieces and sell the meat and fat. We then grind the bones and use it as food for the other cows.

    That is the current videogame industry in a nutshell.

    #20 2 years ago
  21. DSB

    @20 I think kneejerk should be the epitaph of the way the industry is run. Everything is a foregone conclusion for those executives, they aren’t exactly open to the idea that maybe micro-transactions aren’t the best way to deliver entertainment.

    Penny Arcade Report did a nice piece on a DICE lecture about how people would probably pay extra to avoid micro-transactions, because they lessen the experience of actually enjoying your product.

    An uninterrupted experience = Higher value for some.

    #21 2 years ago
  22. Hellhound30x

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! THEFT? IS HE SERIOUS????? THEFT???? HA HA HA!!! MAN what bullshit is this? Sometimes I just want to grab the change in my pocket and throw it at them as hard as I can. You want to nickel and dime me? Well here ya go!
    Just watch guys… as time goes by soon they will be selling energy drinks for the video game characters. Wait, wait, wait… gas, air, food… all digital products that will some how affect your in game character in which you have to pay for it… PAY REAL MONEY FOR A make believe item in a VIDEO GAME!!! ROFL!!! HA HA HA HA!

    (20 years from now!)
    two guys sitting in a prison cell.
    guy #1. “so what did you do?”
    guy #2. “I robbed me a bank, and they gave me 5 years… So what did you do?
    guy #1. deep sigh. “I stole imaginary video game resources to make a gun. They gave me 45 years for THEFT!”

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
    what kind of sad world are these publishers living in…

    #22 2 years ago
  23. Cobra951

    What a crock. Once I buy a game, I am free to use it any way I see fit. Any attempt to change that rule set simply means I won’t buy the game in the first place. Free to play? No such thing. I still won’t buy into it.

    #23 2 years ago
  24. dcarnage

    This is no different than say Battlefield Bad Company 2 or BF3. You can grind levels to unlock weapons or you can buy microtransactions to unlock the guns before you reach the required level. You do not need to buy anything. Although I am afraid of games becoming like Facebook games where it will be near impossible to get certain items unless you use the microtransaction system to get the items. I still bought DS3 because those microtransactions are not necessary to complete the game but when games add microtransactions that are required to beat the game or compete in multiplayer then it will automatically be a no-buy for me.

    #24 2 years ago
  25. Vice

    I absolutely despise all kinds of dlc and microtransactions, unless it’s a f2p title. I still remember times of PS1-2 when we were buying a game once and we didn’t have to pay anything else to be able to play it.

    However speaking purely of Dead Space-3 here, I have no idea why would anyone ever pay for something in this game, I’m playing on hard from beginning and shotgun alone is pretty much all you need to clear the game, and if you make yourself a grenade launcher with sniper rifle, just enjoy a fun easy game.
    However I definitely can see them testing new grounds with it to steal more money from us (yes, steal) and I am not amused.

    #25 2 years ago
  26. DoucheVader

    I have no issues with MicroTransactions, it’s completely optional especially in a game like Dead Space 3. The fact that you can use bots to collect this stuff really makes spending money completely unnecessary.

    I think everyone that is against MicroTrans needs to really take a deep breath and cool their jets. Using language like stealing isn’t germane to micro transactions unless those micro transactions are required to move forward.

    So please for the love of gaming have a sense of proportion about your outrage. Is it really this necessary to get all worked up about a game that is completely optional to buy with completely optional DLC / Microtransactions?

    I have NO ISSUE with developers trying to create alternate revenue streams for their products. Especially in this economy.

    Video gaming isn’t a right, so stop acting like there is some sort of established doctrine that supports how you think you should be treated. Grow the fuck up too.

    #26 2 years ago
  27. DSB

    Somehow I doubt that micro-transactions have anything to do with the love of gaming.

    The love of something green, on the other hand..

    #27 2 years ago

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    Nintendo has issued a 3DS firmware update which fixes a web browser exploit that was being used to run pirated Game Boy Color ROMs since January as well as inject code within downloadable games. Another piece of code, per Eurogamer, changed the setting on the handheld to make it region-free. The exploit was only available […]

  • Unreal Tournament video shows updated textures on Outpost 23

    The latest footage from Epic’s new Unreal Tournament has surfaced, and it shows off the game’s first high-textured map which is called Outpost 23. As you can see from Zaccubus’ video, its the same are which Epic showed in the flythrough video from last year, only with updated textures and some new areas outside. The […]

  • Final add-on for Sunset Overdrive arrives in April

    The final add-on for Sunset Overdrive, Dawn of the Rise of the Fallen Machines, will be released in April. On April 1 to be exact. No, that’s not an April Fool’s joke from Insomniac Games either. Below, you can watch a fist-look at the new story, area, and traversal mechanic.

  • Heroes of the Storm playable at EGX Rezzed

    Heroes of the Storm will be playable at EGX Rezzed. This will be the first UK public hands-on with the online team brawler. Blizzard will also host giveaways and friendly tournaments at its stand. Tickets for all three days of Rezzed are still available, and you can purchase a pass through the official website. EGX […]

  • PES 2015 Data Pack 4 coming next week with Winter Transfers, new faces

    Data Pack 4 for Pro Evolution Soccer 2015 has been dated, and it updates the game with Winter Transfers, new player faces, and additional stadiums. The latest free update contains real-time player transfers made within the January window, and player ratings have also been updated. Additionally, a number of improved likenesses to key players will […]

  • Here’s the changelog for Dragon Age: Inquisition Patch 5

    Notes for upcoming Patch 5 for Dragon Age: Inquisition have been posted, noting improvements to gameplay and stability, and the new features outlined back in early February. Along with the new party storage system added to the Undercroft at Skyhold, players also have the ability to adjust the size of subtitles. Below you will find […]

  • Game of Thrones, Mortal Kombat X, Batman mobile games on the way

    Warner Bros. has announced free-to-play mobile titles spanning its DC Comics, Mortal Kombat and Game of Thrones properties. The following five new games under development are: Mortal Kombat X from NetherRealm Studios: The game blends fighting and card collection with cinematic gameplay and Fatalities. Play as both classic and fighters, and if you own the […]

  • Win! Beta access to new MMORPG Skyforge and DLC worth $70

    We have ten Wrath of the Gods Founders Packs to giveaway for new RPG Skyforge, worth over $70. All you need to do to win a Wrath of the Gods pack is enter your details in the form below and we’ll pick 10 winners at random on Thursday, March 5, after 3pm GMT. Skyforge is […]

  • PC gaming expected to be worth $35 billion by 2018

    PC gaming is alive and well. In fact, it’s expected to be worth $35 billion by 2018. According to game-business group Open Gaming Alliance, the PC gaming industry is expected to grow beyond its current $26 billion worth and to a massive $35 billion by the year 2018. The information is based on data collected […]

  • Advanced Warfare: new patch adds new weapon, Master Prestige ranks, more

    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare has received a new patch that gives season pass holders early access to a new weapon and everyone else a myriad of fixes and additions. The patch went live today on Xbox 360 and Xbox One, without any official notes. CharlieIntel reports that among the new additions is the new […]

  • Destiny’s end game and raids explained

    Destiny’s end game can be a bit obtuse to those not used to MMO games. Fear not, we’ve got a few quick tips on how to crack it. Arekkz Gaming has a video for new players of Destiny or those who are looking to brush up on their knowledge of the game. Today’s theme is […]

  • Capcom adds local co-op to Resident Evil: Revelations 2 on PC

    Following fan outrage over lack of local co-op support for the PC version of Resident Evil: Revelations 2, Capcom has now added it. Resident Evil: Revelations 2 now officially supports split-screen local co-op in both campaign and raid mode. The update is currently in beta on Steam, but anyone can opt-in to try it. Capcom […]

  • New Destiny glitch spawns infinite Thralls on Earth

    Destiny’s latest glitch spawns infinite Thralls to help fuel your bounty hunting and loot lust. The glitch is simple to replicate. You’ll need to start The Dark Within mission on Earth, on any difficulty. Then follow the steps in the video below (Via DualShockers) to get to an area out of the map. You’ll then […]

  • Battlefield 4 Winter Patch is here with new game mode, netcode improvements and more

    DICE has released the Winter Patch for Battlefield 4. The patch brings an eSports focus with new game mode Squad Obliteration and plenty more. Battlefield 4 Winter Patch is now live on all platforms. It’s just over 400MB on PC and 1.34GB on consoles. The patch adds new game mode Squad Obliteration and more customisation […]

  • HTC hopes to see Half-Life on VR headset Vive

    Vive manufacturer HTC said that it hopes to see Valve games, including Half-Life, on the virtual reality headset. Speaking to the BBC, HTC chairwoman Cher Wang said that Valve is keen on having its games available on the VR headset. “I think Valve’s best game is Dota, right, and Portal and [Team Fortress] and I […]

  • Make money easily in Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate

    If you’re looking to buy a fell set of armour for your character in Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate but keep falling short on Zenny, this video will show you an easy way to make lots of it. Arekkz Gaming has a very handy tip for all Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate players: how to make Zenny […]

  • This is how you claim free Xbox One games from your Xbox 360

    Microsoft is giving everyone the ability to claim their free Xbox One Games with Gold titles from their Xbox 360 console, even without owning an Xbox One. If you don’t yet own an Xbox One and want to make sure you don’t miss out on all those free Games with Gold games, you’ll be pleased […]

  • Destiny weekly reset for March 3: Heroic and Nightfall detailed

    Bungie has reset the weekly cap of Crucible and Vanguard marks and added new Heroic and Nightfall strikes, now with burn. From now until next Tuesday, the weekly Heroic strike will be The Devil’s Lair with Heroic and Lightswitch modifiers. As for the Nightfall, you’ll be fighting Sepiks Prime with the help of Arc burn. […]

  • Few Mass Effect FemShep cosplays are as elaborate as this one

    The internet is full of Female Commander Shepard cosplay from Mass Effect, but very few are as terrific as this one. Visual artist Freya Willia has spent over two years painstakingly creating the perfect suit of armour and the best weapons to make her cosplay of Female Shepard as authentic as possible, Omni tool and […]

  • Deals with Gold: Assassin’s Creed Unity, Red Dead Redemption and more discounted

    This week’s Deals with Gold titles for Xbox Live subscribers is a good mix of modern games and old favourites. The list of discounted games through this week’s Deals with Gold is live with discounts on Assassin’s Creed Unity, Amazing Spider-Man 2, Red Dead Redemption, Max Payne 3, and more. The deals are live now […]

  • Destiny guide: how to maximise your Grimoire Points

    Destiny players regularly compare the size of their Grimoire Points. Learn how to make yours the biggest. Destiny guide: how to earn Grimoire Points In Destiny, earning most Grimoire cards is just a matter of playing the game, maybe a little more attentively than usual. You’ll either need to complete a certain number of actions […]

  • Shovel Knight: Plague of Shadows will let you play as a baddie

    Shovel Knight owners will benefit from the generosity of Kickstarter backers quite soon. Because Shovel Knight was overfunded during its Kickstarter campaign, developer Yacht Club Games committed to releasing free content updates. The first of these, Plague of Shadows, has now been detailed. The expansion stars baddy Plague Knight, who turns on his former allies, […]

  • GTA controversies, from Hot Coffee to PR manipulation

    GTA has a long history of controversy. The latest Did You Know Gaming tells the full stories behind the sensational headlines. Grand Theft Auto is such a byword for controversy that it’s easy to forget the full context of what actually happened to bring mainstream press, politicians and interest group awareness to the Rockstar series. […]

  • Infamous 2 one of five new PlayStation Now additions for March

    PlayStation Now will expand to the tune of five new games this month. The March PS Now additions are Infamous 2, Twisted Metal, R-Type Dimensions, Alone in the Dark: Inferno and Operation Flashpoint: Red River. PS Now will set you back $20 per month or $45 for a three month subscription. It offers all you […]

  • Final Fantasy 10/10-2 HD Remaster gets PS4 release date

    Final Fantasy 10/10-2 HD Remaster hits PS4 in May. The PS4 release date for Final Fantasy 10/10-2 HD Remaster is May 12 in North America and May 15 in Europe. Gematsu reports a special pre-order bonus calendar with art by Yoshitaka Amano is available through the Square Enix Store and participating retailers. In Europe, pre-ordering […]

  • Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare getting 15 new Prestige levels

    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare players can now aspire to the ranks of Grand Master Prestige. Advanced Warfare developer Sledgehammer Games will add 15 more Prestige levels to the latest Call of Duty, giving players at max XP a chance to grow even further. According to the Sledgehammer Games blog, when you enter Master level […]

  • Destiny: Crota’s End recreated in Minecraft

    Destiny’s toughest challenge gets even nastier if you throw Creepers into the mix. The ultimate Destiny challenge – for now – is the Crota’s End raid. Taking place in an alternate dimension accessed through the Hellmouth on the Moon, the Raid takes Guardians through a pit of darkness to the resting place of Crota himself. […]

  • Xenoblade Chronicles 3D trailer introduces the Heir to the Monado

    Xenoblade Chronicles 3D protagonist Shulk is the Heir to the Monado, his distinctive red sword. Let this trailer fill you in on what that means. Xenoblade Chronicles 3D releases for New 3DS on April 2 in Europe and April 10 in North America. As well as all the content of the Wii original, it has […]

  • The Elder Scrolls: Total War mod covers Morrowind, Oblivion and more

    The Elder Scrolls: Total War is a terrific mod allowing you get get intimately involved with the history of Bethesda’s detailed fantasy universe. The first release of The Elder Scrolls: Total War dropped on the weekend, giving players their first chance to try out LoRdNazgu1‘s creation. This version runs from 3E 427 to 4E 45, […]

  • Five Nights at Freddy’s 3 out now on Steam

    Five Nights at Freddy’s 3 is out now. Yes, we’re surprised too. You can grab Five Nights at Freddy’s 3 on Steam for $8. Developer Scott Cawthon really doesn’t mess about; the game was only announced in early January. Here’s the blurb: Thirty years after Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza closed it’s doors, the events that took […]

  • EVE Online heister makes off with $13,000 worth of goods

    EVE Online is a hotbed of villainy, espionage and backstabbing, but one intrepid corporate thief has made waves even in this setting. The thing about EVE Online is that it’s a true sandbox: the game’s rules are very loose, and allow players to make careers out of theft, piracy, assassination and espionage in addition to […]

  • Marth Amiibo getting a stock refresh in North America

    Nintendo of America has announced a fresh supply of the difficult to find Marth Amiibo. The Marth Amiibo will be back in stock in the US in late April, the platform holder said on Twitter today. Planning to pick up Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. and don’t have a Marth amiibo? More are headed to stores in […]

  • Skyrim beta update upgrades creation kit file size

    Skyrim has been granted a new beta update – more than three years after launch! – to improve the experience for modders and those who use them. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim released in November 2011. I think that’s worth noting before we discuss the beta update that dropped today, even as Bethesda is working […]

  • Paradox’s next epic RPG is, uh, Knights of Pen & Paper 2

    Knights of Pen & Paper 2 is very serious business so please enjoy this very serious trailer. “Return to the dicey world of Knights of Pen & Paper for a new turn-based adventure, where players get to take on the role of players, and also of the game’s encounter-designing, rules-laywering GM in a fully customizable […]

  • Amplitude looks amazing in new gameplay trailer, has a team multiplayer mode

    Amplitude may have been delayed but we still get something this March: a fine new gameplay trailer. Amplitude is coming to PlayStation 3 and PS4 sometime in northern summer. It’s a reprisal of Harmonix’s classic rhythm action game, a forerunner to its later efforts with Guitar Hero and Rock Band, and was crowdfunded. Update: Turns […]

  • DayZ creator’s “crazy”, “esoteric” next game developed with Improbable

    DayZ creator Dean “Rocket” Hall has dropped the first vague details of his new game project. “I do not want to make safe games. I do not want to make games the way we have been making them. What if the most experienced video game staff in the world collaborated on the most esoteric and […]

  • Battlefield Hardline will support AMD’s Mantle

    AMD has confirmed what most Battlefield fans thought. Battlefield Hardline will indeed support Mantle. Battlefield Hardline will support Mantle, AMD has confirmed. Some players weren’t sure whether the retail version of the game will support AMD’s API, due to its absence from the recent PC beta. AMD did not say whether the feature will be […]

  • Unreal Engine 4 GDC 2015 sizzle reel shows what the tech can do

    Unreal Engine 4 is a pretty versatile bit of tech, as this new sizzle reel shows. As one of the more ubiquitous engines, Unreal will be on show at GDC this week. Developer Epic produced the following sizzle reel to quickly demonstrate what it can do – cutting edge graphics (there are very few games […]

  • Survarium’s latest patch removes limit on battle ammo, rebalances experience gain

    The latest Survarium patch has readjusted the value of experience and reputation points gained and removed the limit to the maximum amount of ammo you can use in combat. Survarium developer Vostok Games has released patch 0.27a to the public, having recently finished testing it. The patch is a major one and covers changes to […]

  • The Hunt Begins in new Bloodborne TV spot

    Bloodborne is so close you can almost smell its coppery tang on the wind – and also you can watch commercials for it. Bloodborne arrives on PS4 at the end of this month (March 24 North America, March 25 Europe, March 27 UK) so excitement is starting to build. Sony isn’t helping keep us calm […]