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Hacked to death: Sony faces crunch-time over PSN failures

Saturday, 23rd April 2011 20:14 GMT By Patrick Garratt

Sony has been found immature and naive on hacking problems this year, and must address PSN security issues now or face dire consequences.

Sony must demonstrate it is capable of dealing with this situation right now. If these episodes become regular in any way, PSN’s users, core or not, will lose faith in its brand and gravitate elsewhere.

On paper, this was Sony’s year. The hardware manufacturer has its best ever PS3 line-up by some margin, is finally about to snake past 360 on a global level, is gearing up for NGP’s launch in the autumn, and is now dominating Japan. Hirai’s ten-year tree-planting exercise is showing ripe fruit.

But PlayStation’s entire 2011 so far has been marred by a single issue: hacking. It’s a problem faced by all electronics manufacturers, but the manner in which Sony’s responded to a story which has refused to drop out of the headlines since returning from Christmas is now threatening the PlayStation brand itself.

This week marked a significant turn in PlayStation’s 2011 hacking saga, with the American and European PSNs taking offline on Wednesday thanks to “external intrusion”. Services have still not been restored.

While PS3’s battle with hacking had been largely contained to the core community and press in the first quarter of the year, Sony has now allowed the issue to affect its entire audience: it has been forced to deny millions of PSN users a key PlayStation feature over a global holiday, leaving anyone that doesn’t read sites like VG247, or is keen enough on PS3 and PSP to read the PS Blog, with no reason why they can’t play Portal 2 and Mortal Kombat online on their Easter break.

That error message really is ugly. And it’s still there.

So what?

It all started relatively innocuously. PS3 got hacked. The publication of the machine’s root key and a demonstration of the ability to sign code on jailbroken versions of PS3’s Firmware in the New Year were interesting as core stories, but for every, “This is massive,” there was a counter, “So what?”

Without exception, every videogame console gets hacked. It’s par for the course.

The question Sony faced was whether or not it actually mattered. The truth is that the huge majority of under-the-TV console users simply don’t pirate games. Chipping or running illicit OS software is always easy to detect, voids warranties and brings inevitable service-banning. For all but the serious hardcore, it’s just too much effort.

Xbox 360 and Wii were cracked years ago, and if you look at download figures for pirated version of games on those platforms last year, Dante’s Inferno was the most torrented 360 title in 2010 with 1.23 million downloads, while Super Mario Galaxy 2 topped the Wii chart with 1.47 million.

Taking 360’s global install base into account – some 50 million units – that means around 2 percent of 360 owners pirated the most popular illegal game last year. Yes, it’s semi-blind calculator-punching, but the number’s obviously very small.

PC piracy is a far greater issue, as it’s largely devoid of consequences to the user: the PC version of Black Ops was torrented 4.7 million times last year, while it was pirated a significantly smaller 930,000 times on 360.

PS3 was only hacked in January this year, having released in 2006. Instead of showing maturity and restraint, Sony sued George Hotz, the man responsible for the publication of PS3’s root key, and embarked on a ludicrous game of legal headline ping pong that, irrefutably, ended in PR disaster.

While many supported the action against Hotz, many did not. A general feeling that Sony had “gone too far” pervaded comments threads, and Hotz himself proved to be a far stronger individual than Sony surely anticipated.

Sony’s legal team was reduced to spurious accusations of Hotz’s creation of a PSN account he’d told a court didn’t exist – in relation to this, one of Hotz’s neighbours later said he’d lent his PS3 to the hacker – and even went as far as highlighting Hotz’s going on holiday to South America as damaging his case.

While Sony managed to finish the Hotz debacle out of court, tying him down to heavy fines if he eversomuch as looks at a Sony product in anger again, the damage was done.

Sony should never have sued Hotz. It solved nothing. The reasoning applied to taking Hotz to court was similar to that behind “drug wars”. You can’t stop people taking drugs: you just start wars. Some did opine in the case’s aftermath that a clear message had been sent to PS3 hackers, but it would be very easy to argue that Hotz got sued largely because he was so visible.

This should never have happened.

Hotz achieved notoriety by hacking iPhone. Apple didn’t sue him. Jailbreaking iPhones was declared legal in July last year, because, as was constantly thrown up by Sony’s opposition in the PS3-Hotz case, some people want to fiddle with the innards of their personal property.

Sony certainly did send a clear message by suing Hotz: hack PS3 and we’ll sue you, you’ll achieve international infamy and eventually you’ll get away with a “settlement”. Will it stop people trying to hack PS3? Of course not. Will it drive PS3 hackers out of sight? Very probably.

And you can’t sue what you can’t see.

The firm should have step-matched the hackers with Firmware updates – as it showed was possible as the legal case got underway – and strengthened PS3’s security without creating such a nonsensical fuss. Hotz, clearly a stupidly talented kid, said after he’d published PS3’s root key that he wanted to work with the likes of Sony and Microsoft on security: instead of taking the guy to court, why didn’t Sony talk to him?

Had Sony behaved more sensibly we could have avoided Hotz rapping about Sony engaging him in forced, unlubricated anal sex – the worst kind – and the “George of the Jungle” headlines.

There has to be a serious question over Sony’s judgement in the Hotz case.

Regardless, the story was too geeky for the mainstream up to this point. If you’re reading this, you’re probably already familiar with what happened, but dude-who-buys-a-few-games-a-year couldn’t care less. What happened next, though, catapulted the story into the glare of the nationals, and was almost certainly the catalyst for the hack attack that crippled the American and European PlayStation Networks this week.

We are Anonymous

As the Hotz case was winding down, ultra-liberal hacking group Anonymous said it was to target Sony over both the Hotz case and that of Alexander Egorenkov, who’s being sued over his efforts to restore Linux use on PS3, a feature removed from the machine by a Firmware update in March 2010 over “security concerns”.

For the record, the removal of OtherOS has always been Hotz’s stated reason for hacking PS3.

This was terrible news for Sony. While there are those that dismiss Anonymous as some kind of A-level irritation rather than a real force, facts are facts: the group has been responsible for denial of service attacks that have taken down government websites, has been demonstrably involved in recent uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia, and took down MasterCard and Visa’s sites in response to their roles in pressuring Wikileaks’ Julian Assange to stop publishing US government cables last year.

Anonymous targeted PSN, bringing the service down for most of a day in early April. The user backlash online was significant enough to make the group change tack, saying it would no longer aim efforts at PSN, but encouraged sit-in protests at Sony stores, an effort which fell flat.

PSN is an intrinsic part of the current PlayStation offering. It is as much a part of PS3 as the console’s Blu-ray drive.

Anonymous has said it will persist with action, but has denied it had anything to do with this week’s attack. No one outside of Sony and those responsible for the most recent incident knows what happened on Wednesday as yet, but whatever it was forced Sony to take the American and European PlayStation Networks offline and start “re-building” the “system to further strengthen our network infrastructure.”

Let’s read that again: PSN is offline, and we don’t know when it’ll be back up. It is an intrinsic part of the current PlayStation offering. PSN is as much a part of PS3 as the console’s Blu-ray drive.

On a most basic level, the fact PSN has been down the last three days is shocking news for gamers, but let’s not forget that Valve released a bespoke version of Portal 2 specifically tying together PSN and Steam earlier this week, and the PS3 version is now unplayable online. You’d have to expect that Gabe and co may think twice before doing that again.

Taking a broader view, PSN has 75 million accounts and is responsible for safeguarding the personal information and credit card details of users all over the world. The implications to a completely unknown hacker or group of hackers – whether a splinter of Anonymous, as some have suggested, or not – waltzing around PSN to such a degree that Sony has to take it offline for the best part of a week, will be casting a long shadow over Mr Hirai’s office tonight.

Sony’s escalation of its war on hacking could potentially threaten not only Sony’s ability to cut content deals, but, in a nightmare scenario, may compromise personal information of its millions of users.

Sony must demonstrate it is capable of dealing with this situation right now. If these episodes become regular in any way, PSN’s users, core or not, will lose faith in its brand and gravitate elsewhere. PSN must be robust enough to withstand external influences, whatever they are.

We can only hope we soon see an apparently hopelessly naive Sony make good on what is, in reality, a disaster for PS3. Services are founded on trust, something Sony now has to work hard to rebuild.

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  1. mathare92

    Brace yourself, Mr. Garratt. :)

    #1 3 years ago
  2. AJacks92

    Lol. Xbox Live isn’t going to “spike up” due to PSN shutdown and PS users aren’t going to just switch to another console. Not everyone has the same games for both consoles…if they did, then that’s just stupid. It really does boil down to trust and loyalty. Most of the PS users ARE “fanboys”…only reason why we’d buy this expensive hardware. And fanboys aren’t going to just rage quit and move onto another console. Stupid.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. Patrick Garratt

    @1 – *bunker*

    #3 3 years ago
  4. Rhythm

    Regards the notion of “Sony shouldn’t have sued Hotz”, what else were they supposed to do? They had a named individual stepping forward and saying “I hacked the shit out of your console and I’ve let everyone in on the secret”. Of course they had to sue – they’d have been liable to their shareholders had they not been seen to be protecting their IP/assets.

    Given that Apple had just lost their lawsuit against Hotz a couple of months earlier, Sony probably expected that the case would be thrown out instantly, whereby they could have gone back to the board and said “oh well, at least we tried”.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. Ge0force

    Nice writing Patrick!

    #5 3 years ago
  6. Phoenixblight

    @2

    I didn’t buy a PS3 because I am a fan boy but because it offered something 360 does not and they don’t nickle and dime you for everything like the 360 does. I can hook up my Blue tooth controller to get charged versus paying an extra amount for the 360. I can play Blu ray, .avi and other formats which 360 does not do.
    Sony has far better exclusive games than the 360 which just has Halo and Fable (Woot)

    Once this shit gets fixed I can play with my friends on Portal cross platform can’t do that with 360 nor will you ever be able to. I don’t have to pay more money to access my netflix through the console.

    Only fanboys buying a PS3 my ass.

    ” You’d have to expect that Gabe and co may think twice before doing that again.”

    U Mad?

    Really that was not called for once this crap gets over with everyone will forget about it. Valve have said their policy is that if you buy the game you should be able to play it on any platform but certain corporations don’t feel that should be the case.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. MegaGeek1

    I could barely read that tripe.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. IL DUCE

    @2 well most people play multiplayer so if they have both consoles yes they will switch over to XBL to play a multiplayer shooter since they’re all quite similar anyway, and I was a huge X Box fanboy (and still am) but I bought a PS3 a month or two ago mainly for SOCOM and hardly got to play it cuz of this shit luckily I got a private beta invite so I had been playing it since march 15th anyway

    But everyone (especially those in the other thread from earlier today) blame it on hackers while everyone should be blaming it on Sony because they can’t make a system that can’t get hacked, and if it does get hacked its the fucking end of the world, I haven’t seen XBL hacked and if it has been it hasn’t been a huge thing like this and has never been down for more than a day so this is completely ridiculous, I am seriously thinking about trading in my PS3 especially since GameStop is giving 40% extra on console trade ins

    So point your finger towards Sony due to their ineptitude of implementing security features and for stacking up bs with their firmware updates that don’t do shit…and if funds is the problem, just charge everyone to play online like XBL and make everyone who wants to play multiplayer get PS Plus

    #8 3 years ago
  9. xxJPRACERxx

    I’m mainly a PC gamer and I’m not a big fan of Sony, especially after how Sony win the HD-DVD/Bluray battle. But I’m 100% with Sony on this and if Hotz was in front of me right now I would punch him right in the face with all the force I have.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. Johnny Cullen

    If it doesn’t look good for Sony on a first-party basis, it really doesn’t on a third-party level. I said this to a friend on Facebook this morning about the PSN-Steam connection.

    This should have been a defining moment for PSN, but instead, this’ll more than likely probably put off Valve offering that kind of service towards any other PS3 title it’ll make in future like Left 4 Dead or Half-Life. Or for that matter, anyone else.

    Not looking good. At all.

    #10 3 years ago
  11. Lounds

    I just played co-op splitscreen for portal 2 sorted :)

    only thing is I wanted to play it on my PC as well but can’t link steam and PSN, but im enjoying portal 2 on ps3 its a fun game and i would say its near perfect imo

    #11 3 years ago
  12. misieque

    Stupid crackers. Who gives a shit about your butt-buddy geohotz?

    #12 3 years ago
  13. blindfire2112

    good roundup of the facts :) and guys stop raging we all know PC gaming is way better than consoles, go get a job so you can afford a good graphics card

    #13 3 years ago
  14. Lounds

    @13 have done prick, but hey my ps3 has good games as well. There arnt as near as many good games for pc as there is for ps3 and im a pc gamer so stfu.

    #14 3 years ago
  15. Syrok

    “and the PS3 version is now unplayable. ”

    Really? Are you sure? I don’t see what you need PSN for to play the campaign part. Sure Steam Integration won’t work for, but so what?

    #15 3 years ago
  16. runbmp

    Most private torrent trackers show the same download rate as pirated versions of its PC counter part.

    Consoles are not different than the PC, and if the product lives up to expectations its easier for a PC gamer to just log into steam, buy and play.

    Its a questions of freedom and choice, PC users have more opportunities in trying their products before purchase.

    Console users are used to getting nickel and dimed.

    #16 3 years ago
  17. G1GAHURTZ

    The HD console war is well and truly over now…

    #17 3 years ago
  18. Patrick Garratt

    @15 – I’ve added “online” to the “playable” bit.

    #18 3 years ago
  19. The Batman

    @15

    I’ve managed to complete the single player and co-op story without once being connected to PSN. Just like the headline, i think VG247 is just trying to grab page hits >_>

    #19 3 years ago
  20. Lloytron

    Nice article. Balanced, fact based, no hysteria. I doubt the comments section here will be the same :D

    #20 3 years ago
  21. mathare92

    Irony of all ironies:

    Monday’s Headline – “PSN back on line as Hotz takes up senior network engineer post at Sony”

    :P

    #21 3 years ago
  22. urbz2011

    Nice story two thumbs up :)

    #22 3 years ago
  23. lexph3re

    Wow, this article was not a good read at all. Amazing how quick some people start attacking and assuming when they get a chance. I find this article pretty pathetic. They’ll think twice before offering a service like this in the future you say? That makes no since, it isn’t like the game crashed in co-op play psn was just down. Its not like it just doesn’t work to play portal 2 no games multiplayer is being taken advantage of.

    Sometimes I can only shake my head at would all these morons are saying. Its sonys fault for being hacked? That’s the dumbest thing I ever heard, if live was hacked I’m positive everyone here and everywhere else would be like “oh, well it’ll be fine that’s what we pay them for.” Jeez, the fact that gamers are a bunch of crybabies never ceases to amaze me. Also, anyone who attempts to even sign in are aware that they are doing maintenance, it doesn’t. Say error anymore. So, people are informed.

    To give credit to the hackers for doing this and tryin to make them seem like V makes you pathetic. Sony isn’t some maniacal company hell bent on stripping people of their rights. They just want to protect their products. You are an idiot for comparing this to something like V for vendetta.

    #23 3 years ago
  24. djhsecondnature

    @8 – “everyone should be blaming it on Sony because they can’t make a system that can’t get hacked.”

    What a laughable statement. Find me an unhackable system.

    #24 3 years ago
  25. darksied

    Nicely written article, but so wrong in too many ways to go into.

    Why are you framing Sony as the bad guys? It’s easy for you and everyone else to sit in front of your computer, blameless from anything going on here, but able to spout out ideas of what Sony “should” have done; but guess what, you’re not responsible for what they are, you don’t own the gaming system that is being attacked constantly. If you did, if you were the CEO of the Sony playstation division, I doubt you would have stopped at 1 lawsuit.

    It just boggles the mind how anyone can blame Sony for any of this. If there were no hackers, there would be no problem, simple as that AND NO ONE CAN ARGUE THIS POINT. So Xbox and Nintendo, Apple, MS Windows, etc. are all hacked, but no one blames the companies. Sony is hacked, and they actually try to defend their property, and they get BLAMED for it? What kind of a mindset do people have when we see this as wrong to try to protect your own property? And you might have issues with HOW Sony tried to protect themselves, but again: YOU DON’T WORK FOR SONY. You don’t know how you would respond in a similar situation. Knowing how a lot of people are nowadays, I doubt anyone would think about anything other than litigation.

    Just back off Sony; I have issues with them myself (Sony electronics, not PS), but they didn’t do anything wrong in this. Hackers started it, hackers used Sony defense of their system to argue that Sony is an enemy (with their twisted circular logic), and Hackers are causing us all these problems with the PSN now. Put the blame where it goes: hackers.

    #25 3 years ago
  26. Alakratt

    LOL Gotta love this! SECOND Sony-hack related article from Mr. Garratt. Talk about kicking someone when he’s down! If something like this ever happens to MS I would LOVE to see an article…I mean, articles (from you)for that. Dude, we know you’re not a Sony fan, but please, gently, remove the MS dildo from your asshole and back away from the computer. LOL

    BTW, I’m not starting a flame war, just stating FACTS. We all know Garratt takes any chance he can to criticize Sony, and this to him is christmas. Remember, he’s not like this with other companies…you know…like when he got a free console and then named that company the winner at E3…remember? It’s sad to see fanboys dressed like journalists. And before anyone says I’m a fanboy, dude, I have a 360, and like it very much. I’m just asking the writer to be fair.

    #26 3 years ago
  27. loveaya

    If we allow that every console “should” be hacked, but what about the publisher of games? In the article, it’s written “only” 1.23 millions illegal copies of Dante’s Inferno? God, it’s much bigger than the sell of this game…Has EA been satisfied with the sell of Dante’s Inferno? I don’t think so!

    #27 3 years ago
  28. metamorphic

    What a joke of an article. “threatening the PlayStation brand itself” – lolwat? It hasn’t even come close to denting the S on the logo, forget about the brand itself. The whole article is quite biased and doesn’t seem to place the blame where it should lie: on the group who claimed they would not attack PSN as it was affecting consumers and the general public, but look what we have here again. While other companies such as Nintendo and Microsoft do the exact same thing (and are still continuing to do so), include court cases and the whole shazaam, they get away scot-free, while the one that seems like an easy target is the one that’s attacked relentlessly. And who become the victims? Us users.

    Why does the author not therefore try to tackle the actual issue at hand: when a person is attacked, would you place the blame on the victims rather than the assailants? Also, re: “…may think twice before doing that again.” – how the hell is it Sony’s fault if PSN is bombarded with DDOS attacks left, right and centre, in what is clearly a calculated attempt at disrupting the network? If you think “Gabe” is as misinformed as you, think again. This won’t affect anything with Valve.

    Also, I find it funny how the author claims DDOS attacks and so forth constitute “hacking” – he seems completely misinformed on what is actually happening and is interested in spreading hearsay instead. Anonymous aren’t “waltzing around PSN” like some villains out of a 80s Ken Follett science fiction thriller or like a Metal Gear game; they are attempting DDOS attacks, which anyone, without any “hacking” skills, can do. No company anywhere can consider themselves immune from DDOS – that’s how it is. Perhaps the author should stop playing too many spy games and reading too many Forsyth novels and base his claims on facts instead.

    #28 3 years ago
  29. Crab of Thunder

    @23 Unfortunately i’d have to agree with lex here.

    The article did seem a bit melodramatic. I mean is this really going to put Valve off offering the service? I really doubt it. Also the emphasis seems to be on Sony’s failings, which i don’t see. I’m sure the network will be back in a day or so and then it will all be forgotten, it’s not like the worlds been brought to it’s kness due to the loss of PSN.

    Also 1.23 million downloads of Dantes Inferno is massive and i don’t know how you can refer to that as “Very small”

    #29 3 years ago
  30. darksied

    One other thing: I liked V for Vendetta, Fight Club, and other movies like that. However, it’s times like these that I wish those movies were never made. Weak minded people will take them too seriously and look for “oppressors” to fight, or think they’re special and look for ANYTHING worth making a stand against. This isn’t some oppressive dictatorship, or even “the man” that they’re fighting, it’s a company who is putting out a gaming system and trying to defend it from hackers. I bet if Sony closed up shop and stopped the ps3/ps4, etc. then these people who attack them will be the first ones to cry out in protest. The hypocrisy of it all.

    #30 3 years ago
  31. mathare92

    MS sell dildos too? Damn, the poor chaps must be desperate.

    Edit: I bet they’re as adept at spreading viruses as their bloody OS. :P

    #31 3 years ago
  32. Killerbee

    Sorry Pat, as much as I usually love your stuff, I couldn’t disagree with you more.

    Rhythm (#4) is right – Sony *had* to sue. Not just for their shareholders, but they also owe an obligation to every developer and publisher in the industry to take steps to keep their platform safe from piracy. When some (admittedly clever) little shit like Hotz starts boasting online about his exploits, what sort of message does it send if Sony doesn’t do anything? Hotz was about as obvious and high profile as it gets and it’d have been like an open invitation to hackers everywhere if Sony had just shrugged its corporate shoulders and pretended it wasn’t happening.

    I think the legal action and settlement (with an injunction stopping Hotz from carrying out any further hacking) does send a message to the wider hacking community. Yes hacking will still happen, but maybe a few people will think twice before plastering it all over the internet in a blaze of self-publicity and attention-seeking.

    As for Anonymous, it’s clearly been shown that they have little public support for their actions – as evidenced by the backlash when they first attacked PSN and the widespread apathy for the sit-in idea. Most genuine gamers I know would rather they take their little protest elsewhere – the only people who support it are those in the hacking / freetard community and idiot Xbox fanboys who seem to take great delight in all of this.

    As a PS3 owner, yes, PSN being down is annoying, but it’s not quite as fundamental as the blu-ray drive. I’ve still been enjoying Portal 2 offline, both in single player and split-screen co-op and this doesn’t so much make me lose faith in Sony as much as really hate and despise everything these hacker groups stand for.

    And whilst I’m sure Valve are disappointed by this, they’re a grown-up company and they’ll understand Sony’s need to protect both its own and its users’ data. Backing away from the relationship now would seem very petty because really, who would that hurt? Oh yes, it’d be all the millions of PS3 customers they could reach out to with Steamworks via PSN… are they really so short sighted as to close the door on that over something that isn’t really Sony’s fault?

    Sony taking PSN offline is a sensible response to the threat against users’ data security so I support them in that. Of course I wish it was fixed sooner, but they need to do it right.

    #32 3 years ago
  33. Alakratt

    @31

    omg aww that’s so cute, protecting Garratt…OMG I’m gonna cry! +1 kid, +1!!!

    #33 3 years ago
  34. mathare92

    @32 +10. Exactly my sentiments.

    @33 Oh the irony…

    #34 3 years ago
  35. Zurtech

    Well written article Pat, but there’s far too much bias in here.

    It’s not just about Sony wanting to defend their property. If hackers can get into the PSN, they could get into people’s personal details.
    If Hotz really was just trying to get a job out it, then he needed to go to them privately instead of posting the details on how to do it online.

    Perhaps ye should add a new section to the site for staff’s opinions? I mean everyone is entitled to their opinion but articles should not be about this. If you want to portray facts then do so down the middle and without bias.

    #35 3 years ago
  36. onyxbox

    Silly article, does nothing other than promote tge hackers activities and try and paint Sony as not doing enough.

    Tge reality is that Sony are probably doing everything they can to resolve the problem and I’m sure tgeir engineers have an understanding of what they’re dealing that goes beyond anything writers on sites like this could speculate.

    I expect better from VG247.. it’s turning onto Eurogamer levels of sensationalism around here :/

    There’s a reason why people come here rather than N4G and articles like this ain’t it.

    #36 3 years ago
  37. onyxbox

    … p.s sorry about all the typos (iPhobe onscreen keyboard)

    :)

    #37 3 years ago
  38. Alakratt

    Ok dude, if it’s ironic to you then say something against this piece of shit hate propaganda!! WTF, Valve might reconsider Steam on the PS3? Sony’s brand is going to be(or is already) damaged? Sony was the bad guy here? C’mon speak out against Garratt! He’s taking this too far! He’s using this momentum to speak crap and spread lies against a company he doesn’t like. to him it didn’t matter if they were at fault here or not!

    Patrick! Admit it, the PS3 is picking up steam (lol pun intended), grabbing exclusive content AND devs are making their PS3 versions on par or better than their 360 counterparts…and you hate it! You Patrick are a pathetic, opportunist prick!

    When PSN is back online, gamers will go back online to playing their favorite PS3 games, USING STEAM TO PLAY WITH PC AND MAC PLAYERS (ouch…that hurts) and you’ll still be one pathetic loser!

    #38 3 years ago
  39. metamorphic

    @onyxbox: Garratt actually used to work for Eurogamer and was its publisher. So, it wouldn’t be a surprise to know he has a particular talent for the same kind of sensationalism.

    #39 3 years ago
  40. Mike W

    Look at it anyway you would like…..but this is a bad article. I have really come to the conclusion, that some these so called “game journalists” are not that intelligent.

    #40 3 years ago
  41. NeoSquall

    This article gives too much credit to a group of cyber terrorists who just want attention because they failed at life.

    I don’t like this.

    #41 3 years ago
  42. MegaGeek1

    Hotz is a fame whore who deserved to be sued. Anyone who follows him under the guise of “freedom of choice” and “fighting the power” are cheap peasants who cant afford $60, or are totally lacking in the skill involved to play a video game without cheating.

    This article is tantamount to a masturbatory swan song for hackers everywhere.

    Anyone with half a brain should know what they are getting into just by looking at the picture of V before reading a single word of this piece of fiction.

    PS Im almost scared to hit post comment for fear of my personal information winding up all over the internet.

    #42 3 years ago
  43. _LarZen_

    Hope they somehow can trace these fuckers and put them behind bars. This is a terrorist attack on cyberspace and should have serius consequences.

    And people who give them credit or are sympathetic to their cause should….wel…go fuck themselfs.

    #43 3 years ago
  44. OlderGamer

    All I can think of first off is that Tea would have a field day with this stuff.

    Secondly, I thought it was very well written.

    And thirdly, the root bass of this sites demographics is showing its teeth. Most of you folks are EU, nothing wrong with that of course. But many of you have been in bed with Sony for a couple of generations now and it shows.

    Sony handled this mess all wrong. I pointed that out when it started. No it isn’t their fault the system or the PSN service got hacked. Everything after that was a folly of blunders. Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

    Thats all Pat is doing.

    And as far as hyping the story up to get web hits … take the Sony provided rose tinted glasses off. This is a big story amoung gamers. This is a Gaming website. If Pat did a weather report and a sports bi-line I think something would be wrong. Wouldn’t you?

    Like Sony or not. Enjoy their games or not. Own a PS3 or not. Facts are facts. The only slant so to speak here is in speculating the end result and the extent that end result will be. And Pat isn’t dabbling in that here.

    You would have to be freaken blind to not admit that things didn’t turn out favorable thus far for Sony.

    And answer me this … if my car door is shut, but not locked, who is to blame for some CDs coming up stolen? Sure sure I agree the thief that opened the door and took them. However if I had locked the door of the car, said CDs would likly still be there. Sony needs better security. Period.

    And to mak eit worse, they were aragont in claiming that the PS3 was unhackable. That was stupid. Would be like me parking my car in a bad part of town, and then anouncing to everyone that there is no way anyone can get inside. Locked or not, my CDs will be gone when I return. Along with the tires, the radio, seats, and everything else worth taking.

    Anyways. This is the world we live in today. If your going to put Hardware out there, it is going to get hacked. And your going to have to deal with it. Sony needs to handle it better. Period.

    #44 3 years ago
  45. Frank17

    sucks for sony. i think ill just go play some more gears 3 beta and xbox LIVE MULTIPLAYER. Sony’s internet always sucked my opinion

    #45 3 years ago
  46. TerryWogan

    Probably the best article I’ve read all month. Bravo, Pat, bravo.

    O’Connor is still a bellend, though.

    #46 3 years ago
  47. Alakratt

    @44

    So by your words, it’s Sony’s fault because they let a door opened? So they person that got in and stole is innocent and shouldn’t be punished? Ohh I see, that makes total sense!!

    Edit: I’ll be sure to come by your house and If I see a door opened, I’m taking all your porn dude! and no, you can’t blame me!

    #47 3 years ago
  48. Kerplunk

    Good grief, what a shamefully transparent piece of puff propaganda. So how much journalistic research was conducted prior to spewing this bilge and smugly hitting the ‘publish’ button? On a Saturday. Amongst a bunch of bank holidays over in the UK. Going by the comments, this article has had very basic details corrected since being published. That doesn’t suggest much thoroughness being given in the eager rush to publish such worthless flamebait. Quite astonishing how many are praising such shoddiness as ‘good writing’ when its evidently not.

    Sony has been found immature and naive on hacking problems this year, and must address PSN security issues now or face dire consequences.”

    Really? Giving your own words a huge amount of credit, authority and gravitas there. Very modest of you.

    Perhaps, before taking others to task about their standards, you might want to deal with the regular mass-spam attacks that blight your own site. It’s WordPress-powered. There’s dozens of extremely capable methods for avoiding the spam you allow to occur on this site. Perhaps instead of sensationlising things with alarmist phrases like “Hacked to death” you can raise your own standards and deal with why your own publication keeps trying to sell its readers viagra.

    #48 3 years ago
  49. irontag

    I keep checking every hour see if it back on, I start to laugh but than i cry. Every hour. Dam hackers I consider you Terrorist , You have force me to call my ex girlfriend and now we hanging out again. F U Anonymous . And for Geohot I punch him in the face if I see him and just walk away and if he ask Why i did that. I will just say I can do what the F I want to do just like you do what you do without thinking.

    #49 3 years ago
  50. Withnail

    What a drama queen.

    #50 3 years ago
  51. OlderGamer

    Infact it isn’t a crime to open a persons front door and walk right inside. Not were I live. It isn’t breaking and entering, not as defined by law. But that is not the point. But if the only part of what I wrote is the analogy were you can find fault, I guess I was spot on.

    All I am saying is simple. Sony and ever other hardware manufacturer has to expect hacker attacks. They have to be ready for them and have a plan to deal with them. It is part of the bizz that they are in. Be it an iPhone, PC, or game console. Failure would be in not dealing with them.

    #51 3 years ago
  52. get2sammyb

    I’m as frustrated about PSN being down as everyone else but this article… Sigh. It places to much credit on the shoulders of hackers and it assumes Sony have no right to protect their own property. Which is outrageous, particularly when you factor Sony has a responsibility not only to third-parties and shareholders, but also to customers.

    GeoHotz exploit was based on a copyrighted operating system owned by Sony. Had GeoHotz written his OWN operating system for his PlayStation 3 hardware, no one would be going to court. The fact that he modified COPYRIGHTED software and PUBLICALLY relayed it onto the Internet meant Sony was OBLIGATED to go out and pursue him. They were obligated by their shareholders (who would lose money), the development community (who would also lose money through pirated software) AND PlayStation customers whose experience was already periodically compromised by cheating and hacking in popular multiplayer games. To say they should have left him be is ludicrous.

    The bigger issue here is the emphasis the gaming media has been putting on hackers and this whole story in general. I think this article is well written and professionally put together, but the writer is backing the wrong corner here.

    Sony have taken the PlayStation Network offline this weekend to PROTECT consumer data. Any competent security team would do that if they noticed unusual attacks on the system. I think, until we get more information, it’s unreasonable to sensationalise that this is Sony’s fault.

    I do agree, more transparency and updates from the company would be most welcome during this period of downtime. Can’t argue with that.

    But the entire tone of this article paints the hackers as some kind of white knight. Almost as though they are the victim. Which is bemusing.

    The comments about Valve reconsidering PlayStation support because of unfortunate timing is baffling. Perhaps Zipper Interactive will consider buying themselves out from Sony ownership, and Warner Bros will boycott the PlayStation 3 going forwards too. After all, both parties have been affected by poor timing too.

    Or perhaps, they understand, frustratingly, that these things “happen” and we’ll probably all have forgotten about it in a couple of weeks.

    I’m not disputing the situation is unfortunate, but this is very melodramatic in the least.

    #52 3 years ago
  53. AJacks92

    @6 That’s true too. I just didn’t want to state the obvious, really. :P
    @8 Yeah, but like I said, they don’t own both versions of the same multiplayer game. And XBL did get hacked…read this entire article buddy. And frankly, every console does get hacked and everyone ends up forgetting about it…no matter how frequent it may be.

    #53 3 years ago
  54. Alakratt

    @51
    I get your point, but they dealt with it. Obviously you, Pat, and others don’t like Sony’s method, even I admit it wasn’t perfect. But Geohot knew what he was getting it for. What? Just because Apple didn’t sue him doesn’t mean he’s lawsuit-proof. You know the mistake Geohot did (according to me) was? Revealing the root key for all to see, that’s what opened the gate for piracy and cheating online. Fine, his FW wasn’t made for hacking or cheating, but HE opened the door for everyone else to do it with that root key. So he ain’t no saint and deserved the hell he went through. And for Anon, I actually agree with alot of what they do, but in this case, some of them (since they don’t work collectively) went too far, hence they lost a lot of support.

    #54 3 years ago
  55. Lord Gremlin

    Oh, I will continue supporting PSN anyway. Besides, I’ve always supported extreme punishment for hackers – jail and executions – and had a lot of arguing about this point of view IRL. Now, I could potentially get another argument…

    ..unless hackers have nothing to do with it and it’s just Amazon servers died and took PSN and a lot of sites and services with it.

    #55 3 years ago
  56. strikkebil

    i can relate to their cause but not to their actions. theyre just fucking up for everyone who wanna play games. now sonys gonna look like the good guy, while anonymous and other groups fighting for consumer rights will just lose support.

    that said, i completly agree that this is embarresing on sonys part.

    #56 3 years ago
  57. mathare92

    @38 I’m not protecting Garratt (I don’t think he needs anyone to “protect” him). Infact, like #33, others and you, I disagree with most of the points he puts forward in his piece.

    But if you’re gonna express your view, do it in a coherent, mature way. Insulting the guy, calling him a prick (among other things), and accusing him of having a Microsoft dildo shoved up his ass? A bit counter-productive, wouldn’t you say?

    I know “this is the internet” and all, but I’m sure you’re better than that.

    #57 3 years ago
  58. RoarrrUK

    I’ve been visiting this site for well over a year now. This article is easily the most poorly written I’ve seen. It’s such a shame. It’s pure sensationalism. The whole tone of it.

    “You’d have to expect that Gabe and co may think twice before doing that again.”

    I mean seriously?? really. honestly?????

    #58 3 years ago
  59. OlderGamer

    I agree with some of that Alakratt.

    In my book Geo is no hero. Just a misguided punk, with too much brainpower and too much time.

    But Sony is writting the book on what not to do on how to deal with hacking.

    #59 3 years ago
  60. fucksony

    I use to be all for sony. hell, my first sony walkman was see through allowing you to see how it worked. Something happened with sony, they changed. First it was Sony: The rootkit of all evil, that was back in 2005. Then
    Lik-Sang.com Out of Business due to Multiple Sony Lawsuits that happened Tue Oct 24 2006. Sony made the ps3 and advertised it like a pc. Because of the other os feature that allowed you to run linux. In other words you had a game side and a computer side. when sony first made the ps3, they didn’t want piracy like they had on the ps2. So they made the games region free as well. The issue here wasn’t piracy, it was to re enable a feature that had been removed. It would have been one thing to go after hotz, but they want to take anyone down that has a curiosity about it. going as far as getting ip addresses on anyone who has watched the videos and going after anyone they feel is a threat and trying to sue them together rather than separately. It’s about sony being evil and saying we can install rootkits, drm or any other malware. It’s about the rights of what you own and the freedom to make homebrew games or applications. This is the year that sony reaches its own end

    #60 3 years ago
  61. Raiden

    Well… I think that if someone (hackers or someone else) wanted to be the emblem of the “players freedom” and so on, I think they’re acting like shitty bitch who messed up all the PSN users’ minds.
    Good method to make a demonstration of a “player’s freedom”.

    Strange that Microsoft, meanwhile, is going to make a free weekend also for silver users.

    What’s the point of all this mess? We (the gamers) are the only one who take it in the ass with pain. Fuck.

    #61 3 years ago
  62. get2sammyb

    #59: But what should they have done OlderGamer? The whole story only went viral because the Internet turned it into a hot topic. Do you feel they should have done nothing to fight against piracy and hacks in multiplayer games?

    #62 3 years ago
  63. MegaGeek1

    @ Old Gamer

    Who are you defending, Patrick or the Hackers?

    #63 3 years ago
  64. Alakratt

    @57

    Hehehe, I went to those extremes because this isn’t the first time he’s using the site to write anti-Sony articles. And the fact that he’s using this unfortunate time for gamers and Sony to spread lies and shit to people is just too much. He’s supposed to be a “mature game journalist” but then he writes all this BS?!

    @59

    Now I’m curious, what would you have done if you were “the man” at Sony?

    #64 3 years ago
  65. bluffbluff03

    What the article shows is just the brutal realtity: Sony is everything but innocent in this case. Their behavior was simply wrong and just provoke the hackers. Sony always wanted to show how much better they are and how unhackable the PS3 is; they were too arrogant to admit that the hacker was succesful and so they even endanger their costumers. Waek presentation Sony, very weak. Hope PSn will be online soon. I am planing to buy Brink for my PS3 as most of my freinds owned a Sony-console. BUT I am also able to play it on 360 and PC…so Sony please do something you have really missed the last time: try to improve the PSN or I don´t see a future for that online-service….

    #65 3 years ago
  66. MegaGeek1

    @64 @59

    I would love to know that too.

    Old Gamer, Just an FYI about your break and enter analogy; you don’t need to physically BREAK into something for it to be illegal.

    Here is the definition as per the Canadian Criminal Code:

    “321…. break means … to break any part, internal or external, or … to open any thing that is used or intended to be used to close or to cover an internal or external opening”

    You sound just as biased as the Sony fan boys you are accusing.

    #66 3 years ago
  67. mathare92

    #49 Irontag – “Dam hackers I consider you Terrorist , You have forced me to call my ex girlfriend and now we hanging out again.”

    I nominate this for best line in this comments thread. :D

    #67 3 years ago
  68. fucksony

    8=====D~~~~~~~ :O sony loves bukkake

    #68 3 years ago
  69. DSB

    64′s last question is really the issue.

    What do you do when someone cracks your stuff and opens the door to all kinds of crap?

    Pat has it exactly right. I don’t neccesarily agree with the wording. There aren’t a lot of things immature about major coporations, if anything they’re geriatric in their predictability, and that’s the core of the problem.

    For the average exec, there’s only one solution, “Legal, legal, legal”. Sony simply pulled the trigger before thinking of the consequences, realized their mistake, and scrambled to catch the bullet before it went too far.

    If you don’t have an idea of what the consequences of an act of aggression will be, then make sure you give yourself time to reconsider the situation. Leadership 101.

    You gain absolutely nothing as a major corporation by going after one guy who isn’t actively pursueing a campaign against your company. Does it suck to be sabotaged by a homebrew artist? Yes, yes it does, but you’re only gonna fuck yourself over by pursueing that course of action.

    The problem is, 90% of all major companies are too conservative to even percieve of any other way. Someone with an imagination would’ve realized that trying to legally assassinate Geohot as a citizen, would probably be the most effective way to make your situation even worse. The only thing you can do when someone cracks your stuff is to prepare for what’s to come, trying to preempt cheaters and hackers on your console. Remaning professional, doing it right, and doing it without causing a major scene.

    #69 3 years ago
  70. bluffbluff03

    @ 62 I think OlderGamer don´t want Sony to let the hackers word without resistance but that Sony could be a bid more careful refering to their behavior.

    And at some other comments: just because this article doesn´t say the PS3 is the best console on earth and Sony the best company ever created it is not automatically bad!!!

    #70 3 years ago
  71. MegaGeek1

    @65

    How is Song wrong? What these Hackers are doing is ILLEGAL and is therefore immoral and unethical. How else does it have to be spelt out? Provocation has nothing to do with anything in this case. By your and Old Gamers definition we should be chastising the guy who puts his nice car in a shitty part of town with a club on the steering wheel because he’s “provoking” scumbags into stealing it.

    #71 3 years ago
  72. Alakratt

    Ok ok, here’s my theory on how this all went down. It happened on 4/20…4/20…you know, weed day. So, I think some Anon members got high and said “that protest was fail and gay, let’s do some real damage maaaaaaan *stoner laugh and lots of lulz* ” And the rest is history. I mean, I got high too but didn’t hack shit….well maybe the toilet…with vomit lol. ahem, anyway, back to topic, please Sony, don’t sue weed!! It’s just too gooooood!!!

    #72 3 years ago
  73. Freek

    Verry nice article.
    As much a Hotz presented himself to the world as a douchebag, the way Sony handeled the situation was completly bonkers and did nothing but made them look bad.
    The iPhone case is also verry telling: jailbreaking is legal, as long as you don’t run pirated software. And probably why Sony settled out of court. Hotz jailbroke the PS3, but did not use or distribute pirated software. Exactly what he did with iPone, so Sony diden’t have a case.
    Just a load of bad PR wich they are trying to dissapear.

    Infact simply having the root key isn’t enough to run illegal games. You first have to use that key to create a software loader that allows you to run copied games.
    Also something Hotz did not do.

    And before you write off the hacking community, this is what is possible using a hacked PS3 Eye.
    http://www.eyewriter.org/

    #73 3 years ago
  74. PEYJ

    I can’t believe that a gaming site blames a console manufacturer for the problems caused by the deeds of hacker!?! I guess it sells clicks and traffi.

    #74 3 years ago
  75. bluffbluff03

    @71 Of course it is illegal. But you just need to read the article to understand my opinion. Just think the other way around: if Sony did it the right way would the PSN not be offline since wednesday – but as you knwo it is! What all these guys did is illegal. But to proceed against something like that you need to have a strategy, a way to prevent the attacks and the same way to ensure the safety of the PSN…and of course to get that hacker. Did anything of these aspects happen? No! Of course the “evil one” is the hacker…but a company like Sony should be more experienced and clever in such situations than just sue everything… I just mean that Sony can not act like the big company that is untouchable (like they sometimes semms to be) when there is an agressiv (and yes, illegal) hacker that have enough skills to shut down the whole PSN by himself….So I don´t think Sony acted that responsible in this case…wich doesn´t mean that the hacker did right. This should just show that Sony was absolutely able to get along with the hacker-issue, but just took the wrong way!

    #75 3 years ago
  76. Alakratt

    Yeah, but with that root key, others did create software for piracy and cheating. Hence, Geohot and whoever made that software for piracy and cheating are to blame.

    Take this for example, what if I take your personal info and post it on the net. I didn’t do anything with it, but others did and possibly fucked you up because of it. Now, I’m I innocent or guilty?

    #76 3 years ago
  77. DSB

    @74 You might want to reread the article. Nobody’s blaming Sony for destroying their own network. They’re being critisized for grossly mishandling an inconvenience brought about by homebrewers.

    #77 3 years ago
  78. Redh3lix

    As much as I like this site, I’d like to say I think you’re all fucking idiots, both VG247 and those individuals berating Sony with regards the Hotz situation.

    #78 3 years ago
  79. bluffbluff03

    @73 “like”

    #79 3 years ago
  80. MegaGeek1

    @75

    Okay, fair enough. Now my question is, what would you have done in Sonys shoes. Keep in mind you have an obligation to keep shareholders, 1st, 2nd and 3rd party developers all feeling safe and free from piracy.

    #80 3 years ago
  81. DSB

    @80 How have Sonys actions managed to do anything but make them look stupid?

    Geohot isn’t finished, the lawsuit accomplished nothing, and he’ll be joined by even more homebrewers in the future, who will probably see this sort of disproportionate action as a major motivator.

    That’s exactly the crux of the article. Sony didn’t stand a chance of getting any kind of revenge on the guy, or preventing the homebrew scene from playing around with their merchandise, and they should’ve considered that before they went that way.

    They had nothing to gain, but they did have something left to lose.

    Making that realization would’ve been responsibly serving the board, as well as their customers, who are now left without PSN due to overzealous hackers being even more disproportionate than Sony.

    #81 3 years ago
  82. Aimless

    Hey guys, remember when Xbox Live fell over from Christmas 2007 into the New Year, an event Microsoft refused to comment on, forcing the company to leave the console business?

    No, I don’t either.

    Anyway, I don’t think Sony, as a company, had any choice but to sue Geohot.

    The individuals involved in the decision more than likely knew it was a pointless endeavour but it wasn’t just a question of Sony’s ‘maturity’ but that of everyone involved; shareholders, partners, third-parties, etc. It’s not enough to be doing something, to keep less informed parties off your back it’s just as important to appear to be doing; the public don’t care if crime figures are down despite funding cuts, they want to see police on the street so they can complain about taxes in safety.

    #82 3 years ago
  83. bluffbluff03

    @80 Yeah, nice quastion. First, I don´t know very much of this detailed technicel stuff..but i wonder why the PS3 could be hacked at all. I can tell you why I would (first) not try to sue the hackers. If you do pirate copies of your favorite movie your goverment is able and allowed to take you into prison for at leaset five years. Because they have the power and the sovereignty. In the case of Sony vs. hackers it is not the same situation. The hacker in this case is the powerful one. And like always when the “evil” guy has the biggest power I would be careful what I do and say just to avoid bad PR….in some way it is a similar situation lika a blackmail. I would first try to achieve an agreement (not in court!!!)..even if there will be some headlines like : “Sony collaborates with hackers”…and than later i would take many, many skilled people that try to improve the safety of my online-sevice.

    But if i had enough evidences to achieve an indictment against the hacker I would also move to the court. But Sony, like 73 said, ddidn´t have these evidences…or why have you thought Mr. Hotz wasn´t “doomed”.

    #83 3 years ago
  84. DSB

    @82 Sure, but if the cops are seen running away as soon as they spot criminals on the street, then those people will probably be left with a concern or two more than they had before.

    And that is exactly what Sony did.

    The people advocating a legal response should probably consider what the alternative to a settlement would’ve been. Should he have been fined a hundred million dollars? Should he have been fined a thousand million dollars? Should the judge have made sure that the debt be transferred onto his next of kin in the event of his demise?

    None of that would’ve helped the company, deterred pirates, or put a damper on anyones passion to engage in homebrew or cracking in the future.

    Really, there’s no win to be had, so starting a war to underline that fact is the stupidest thing you could do.

    I’m not saying it isn’t perfectly standard procedure, fuck knows Sony has had the opportunity to learn from countless others making the very same mistake over the last 20 years, but it’s so obviously not a very good solution.

    You can’t crack down on pirates. All you can do is try to be one step ahead. Be smarter, not angrier. Sony did pretty well on that, until they fell behind and made sure everybody, everywhere knew about it.

    #84 3 years ago
  85. bluffbluff03

    Wouldn´t it be the best way to give Hotz a job at Sony in the section “PSN-safety”…I mean, who knows the PSNs holey places better than him =)

    #85 3 years ago
  86. Aimless

    @84 Suing Hotz was an act of appeasement, I highly doubt anyone at Sony thought anything good would come of it; I bet there were people breathing sighs of relief when a settlement was reached.

    The truth is if they hadn’t loosed the lawyers this very article wouldn’t be commending their restraint. If anything it would probably be accusing Sony of sitting on their hands whilst the hacker threat ran wild blah, blah, blah.

    Confidence is gained through giving people what they want so they don’t have to think about it, not making the ‘right’ choice.

    #86 3 years ago
  87. e13

    You know that bully who everyone says will pick on that wrong guy.

    Sony pushed that wrong person.

    Their tactic of sue them into the ground didn’t work.

    All Sony’s lawyers and lawsuits are useless, and they have no way to save

    face.

    #87 3 years ago
  88. DSB

    @86 I honestly don’t see how anyone would be desperate enough to write an article on nothing happening weeks or months after the fact. Generally if you want to qualify a story, it’s a good thing to have something happen that you can write about, like a lawsuit. Not silence, not quiet. And that’s exactly why it hasn’t happened for Apple. And won’t happen.

    Even if someone would write an article like that, it would be a niche opinion piece with a limited audience, as opposed to a dramatic online tsunami of posts and articles, publicizing a pointless lawsuit, that ends up with the people who started it, very publicly backing down.

    I’m pretty sure Apple, its board, and its shareholders are just fine enjoying their success, rolling in mountains of cash and watching homebrew artists do whatever marginally disruptive things they do. And I think they’re pretty content not to be in the kind of trouble that Sony are in right now.

    I think you’re right that it was an idiosyncratic decision, but making idiosyncratic decisions is the polar opposite of showing leadership. And the fact that someone commends you for showing a bit of common sense in an otherwise fairly unflattering article, shouldn’t really count as a victory to someone who has a worldwide service that’s down going on its third day.

    #88 3 years ago
  89. PEYJ

    @ 77

    Hackers, homebrewers, idiots. The overall problem that has led to the apparent lack of trust in Sony this year is still caused by them and not Sony.

    And since we don’t exactly know what the current situation is about, I don’t really see what the fuzz is all about. I this (http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/04/23/psn-down-the-theories/) turns out to be true, I don’t see how Sony has handled this situation so badly. An issue such as number 3 doesn’t really concern the customers, and I’m sure they have notified their partners to calm them down.

    #89 3 years ago
  90. DSB

    @89 And nobody’s disputing that. Crackers and homebrewers are not good for a company that’s trying to control its software.

    But you still have a choice in how you deal with them, and Sonys disproportionate response to an action that fundamentally meant very little to their business, has lead it to become an issue that means considerably more to their business. Somehow I doubt that notifying partners means they’re joyed to the point of not caring about the revenue they lose from PSN.

    You don’t burn your house down because you have mice. You design traps. You act smart, as opposed to just angry and counterproductive.

    Simply put: Damage control.

    #90 3 years ago
  91. Aimless

    @88 I don’t agree with Sony’s actions, all I’m advocating is appreciating the reasons behind them rather than branding people as incompetent for compromising.

    I’m more interested in investigative rather than pejorative journalism.

    #91 3 years ago
  92. NeoSquall

    @48 Spot on!

    #92 3 years ago
  93. kartana

    The main problem is: you can’t hack the PS3, PUBLISH the root key and then say ‘Hey Sony let’s talk about security’! That’s were GeoHot failed hard! You just don’t do that!

    #93 3 years ago
  94. darksied

    @44
    C’mon, that way of thinking is terrible. This whole idea is the similar to this recent (last decade or so) way of thinking that EVERYONE [else] is to blame. That’s why the US is so sue-happy right now. Someone hits you in a store? Sue the guy, the store, and anyone else who’s around who didn’t help, etc. Guy’s car hits yours? Sue the other driver, fake an injury, sue the car company for not being safe enough, etc … twisted way of thinking and this is one of the major things wrong in the US right now (ONE of the things, we have tons of problems).

    This is a terrible way of thinking about things; everything is the fault of others and not yours. Maybe less than 1/20 times there might have been a situation where something like this happens, but most of the time it’s the fault of the person who did the deed. Looking for someone else to blame as well? Well, in your car situation, you’re to blame as well … in Sony’s situation, Sony is NOT responsible. They DID “lock the car,” so to speak. Tell me how the PS3 and PSN are terrible examples of security when they were the ONLY protected systems out of the big 3? And don’t say xbox live is even protected, because people have been hacking in xbox live online games since the first year.

    You can NOT accuse Sony of not having good security, because they still have the most secure system; you CAN however accuse the people who did their best to hack and attack them. Seriously, you call yourself OLD GAMER but your arguments make you seem 18-.

    #94 3 years ago
  95. DSB

    @91 Yeah, that’s certainly fair.

    I wouldn’t want to experience corporate politics firsthand, and obviously it’s easy to be a perfectionist after the fact and tell them what they should’ve done.

    I don’t agree with Pats wording myself, I just think he’s quite right in argueing that this should’ve gone a lot better for Sony.

    This is not the first time, or the second time, or the third time something like this has happened, and while the people in question usually feel “something” from these kinds of lawsuits, they tend to move on to bigger and better things, while the companies themselves really gain absolutely nothing for their bloodlust, except to perhaps give those people their own marketable brand.

    The guy from Kazaa went on to create Skype, the guy from Napster made it into the annals of Facebook, Jon Lech Johansen is sure to be another… And the people who sued are none the richer for their efforts.

    I had no idea who Geohot was before this. Now I know the face and the name, as do thousands and perhaps millions of others. You can take that sort of publicity to the bank.

    At some point, you have to define repeating a common mistake as stupidity.

    #95 3 years ago
  96. darksied

    @60

    There is so much wrong with your comment that I don’t know where to begin or if I should. A few points though.

    “The issue here wasn’t piracy, it was to re enable a feature that had been removed.”
    - So by this you mean that the whole idea in the first place was for people to re-enable the OtherOS feature? If you actually believe this, then I truly feel sorry for you. If you believe for one minute that hacking a GAME system to take custom firmware is for anything else EXCEPT FOR PIRATED GAMES, then you are insane. There might be that one guy or maybe 2 who actually want to make a better cross bar or navigation system in their ps3, and there might be many things that people WANT better on the ps3, but the whole purpose of hacking it, the absolute reason, is to get pirated game to work. Any other way of thinking means either you’re ignorant or lying to yourself.

    And about going after the people before they do more hacking … um, yeah, that’s the way to do it. You think microsoft is going to wait until a copy of Windows 7 is reverse engineered BEFORE they go after them? You find the hackers and stop them if you can, otherwise you’re fighting an uphill battle if it’s after the fact.

    It seems like you’ve seen too many “Sony is evil” comments and now you think that way. Either you can’t think for yourself or put yourself in their place to see it from their perspective, or you’re pretty weak minded.

    #96 3 years ago
  97. DSB

    @96 So, who has ever undone hacking with a lawsuit? Last time I checked, it’s still pretty popular, even with all these expensive lawyers in the world.

    Why wouldn’t Geohot (theoretically) do it again with the next console? What are they going to do, sue and him and back down for the second time? Put him in jail for life? Kill his dog?

    It’s just as fanatical to equate a jailbreak to somehow stealing someones entire business. This is going to mean a marginal percentage of piracy for Sony, true, and that’s nothing to cheer for, but it’s still very far from being a devastating assault on their entire business, singlehandedly lead by a dorky kid with funny hair.

    #97 3 years ago
  98. reask

    I have not read through the comments so forgive me.
    This is serious folks regardless of it been Sony or MS.
    These guys have taken down a network here.
    I mean I have heard about cheats on live but this is a new level really.

    How do I play online?
    Do I accept this hacking or walk away from it>
    I would not know how to cheat let alone be good online.
    F****ng pathetic morons imo.
    Rant over.

    #98 3 years ago
  99. Phoenixblight

    @97

    “Why wouldn’t Geohot (theoretically) do it again with the next console? What are they going to do, sue and him and back down for the second time?”

    THere wouldn’t be any suing anymore it would be go to jail do not pass go, do not collect 200$. Thats the point of an injunction. He would be going to prison and being passed around like a doobey. So if Geohotz even thinks about breaking a Sony system and then going on Youtube. He better bring his own lube because his ass will need it.

    #99 3 years ago
  100. Cort

    I’d like to see a long and prominent editorial across the major gaming sites once and for all attacking and condemning hackers, MP cheats, pirates and thieves as the narcissistic, self-indulgent assholes they are and calling on the entire gaming community to unite in their disgust of and opposition to them and everything they do and stand for. I want to see the big front page banner on multiple sites which says something like “Not in our name. We unite to say stop. Stop now and let us play.”

    A couple of thousand at most were inconvenienced (ironically, because a largely ignored feature was removed in an attempt to thwart their own larcenous activities), so tens of millions must be punished and a company employing many thousands around the world must be brought to its knees – and all because they want to continue their mostly illegal and largely immoral activities without challenge or scrutiny. This was deliberately timed to disrupt the Portal 2 launch on PS3 and the concomitant Steam integration with PSN which, if is allowed to work by these self-appointed arbiters of what is right and wrong, will bring many benefits and features to PS3 owners.

    Go fuck yourself Geohot, and go fuck yourself all apologists for him and his kind.

    #100 3 years ago
  101. hitnrun

    I think some people are missing the point here. Sony can hire private mercenaries to blow down GeoHotz door and brain him for all the difference it makes to us. Morality and ethics are not part of this equation. Sony is in the wrong because, and only because, PSN is down. The “root causes” of PSN being down are irrelevant. This industry is not a charity and we aren’t missionaries. PSN is down; Wii, XBL, and the Internet aren’t; therefore it’s Sony’s fault.

    Also, let’s be realistic about “Anonymous.” They’re not al Qaeda. They’re not even Razor1911. They’re a bunch of jerkoff 4chan users. Their membership is composed of whoever wants to be a jerkoff on a given night. This isn’t some kind of chess game Sony is waging with a sinister hacker group. There is no endgame that involves “the leaders” going to jail. Basically, Anonymous is just anonymous, except they use the uppercase. That’s why Sony’s poor security is the issue here, not some shadowy “other side.” They can’t fight against every Bachelor Frog-making script kiddie on the Internet.

    #101 3 years ago
  102. Cort

    And can you stop showing a Fawkes mask every time you mention this group (sic). The analogy behind it is an absolute fucking joke and an offence to students of the history of democracy, law and the humanities.

    #102 3 years ago
  103. KrazyKraut

    @102
    thats funny..just some blabla about shitty anonymous and thought:” wtf not again a Fawkes mask”

    he was a good guy, they are not.

    #103 3 years ago
  104. e13

    So if I get your logic.

    When Sony went and removed a feature from a device which was the only reason these “thousand” bought the device, thats a inconvenience.

    Not being able to play Portal 2 this weekend, its a punishment?

    Ok,

    All these Gaming Mag, and WebSites, are journalist. They support freedom of speech.

    Lets not forget, what GeoHot did so far has not been considered ILEGAL.
    Not that Sony cared. It clearly has no problems lying about facts.

    HOWEVER,

    The truly beautiful thing here is.

    Sony sued GeoHot to show the world what happens when you F*** with them.

    Now Anonymous is showing the world what happens when you F*** with them

    and guess who will win? Not the lawyers

    #104 3 years ago
  105. Len

    Good article, pointing out the v heavy implications for Sony if this continues. That is all I have to say.

    #105 3 years ago
  106. Hybridpsycho

    Anonymous are fuckings fags, anyone saying anything else is an idiot.

    Sure, maybe GeoHotz was falsely accused. I don’t give a shit about that case.

    But what Anon is doing is stupid, why don’t they just go and catch animal-killers…that’s what they’re good at.

    #106 3 years ago
  107. 140UC

    Wow another click bait story blown out of proportion, but I would not expect anything else form the likes of Patrick G.

    It’s a shame that real truth in reporting and a true unbiased report seem to be missed and in turn it is replaced by a essay of personal words that have no meaning other then to express “Patricks G” own feelings and nothing more.

    A real unbiased and adult approach to reporting does not inject personal feelings and then escalate it into a soap box rant on why the reporter hates everything Sony.

    Now true adults will see this so called story ” and this is what it truly is, “A Story”, for what it is, A blogger using a site to push out his anger and hate for a company, while trying so hard to get others on board to feel the same way, but the attempt fails so badly due to the extensive dribble that goes on and on trying desperately to prove his point but then fails by showing itself for what it is in the end.

    A true report would point out the facts and keep personal bias at bay, but Patrick being true to his form, fails.

    It would be refreshing to see a non hate story and a real report come to these pages instead of generated click bait hate.

    How about Patrick you report that Sony has decided to rebuild the full PSN NETWORK From the ground up, and include that if it wasn’t for the HACKERS that started this all the PSN USERS would have service now.

    No, I don’t blame Sony, just a few loud mouth idiots that yell a little more and then only give the illusion of a wider range of users that are upset but this is not the case, if you go to the Sony site and do some real investigation you would see that the support is on Sony’s side, and more and more people are expressing in a loud way how upset they are with these hacking groups.

    Sony has more support now due to all this backfiring on theses hacking groups, now folks are fed up and have voiced very loudly that the hackers are the ones they are upset with.

    Sony is looking like a peach compared to the hackers, and of course this is contrary to your self induced painfully worded rant that is just a feel sorry for the hackers, Sony deserves this blog post Patrick.

    To many excuses are made to why Sony deserves this, but if the shoe was on the other foot and if it was your company that had this happening to it, you would do whatever it takes to protect what you have built. And anyone that says any different is fooling themselves and is not being honest.

    #107 3 years ago
  108. Hybridpsycho

    @ 107

    Respect man :)

    #108 3 years ago
  109. Hybridpsycho

    The “Real” anonymous doesn’t even use the Guy Fawkes mask.

    >_>

    #109 3 years ago
  110. tenthousandgothsonacid

    Why does Pat hate Sony so much ? It’s just embarrassing to keep hearing it.

    Grow some professionalism Garratt !

    #110 3 years ago
  111. Patrick Garratt

    I’ve added in the latest update from Seybold about “rebuilding” PSN.

    #111 3 years ago
  112. robmlufc

    Hang on, Anonymous are the ones who have stopped me from playing on PSN all holiday weekend not Sony. Sony didn’t take PSN down over holiday weekend for shits and giggles. Piss off Anonymous.

    #112 3 years ago
  113. The_Deleted

    Wasn’t Guy Fawkes a terrorist?
    If he’d have succeeded then the Catholics and the Spanish would have made damned sure democracy was a dirty word.
    Don’t let’s get carried away with whom Anonymous choose as a figurehead.
    Fawkes was a bastard and so are they.

    #113 3 years ago
  114. Gekidami

    ^ Yep, he was no ‘great revolutionary’ as some seem to believe.

    #114 3 years ago
  115. Christopher Jack

    Sony turned PSN off to repair the system to help prevent future security breaches because all hackers aren’t our friends, the only kind of hacker the majority of us will ever cross paths with are the malicious ones, those who create viruses & commit fraud among other dangerous activities.

    I’m not saying all hackers are bad, I respect those programmers & developers who follow the laws to make products better, unfortunately the laws are a little hazy for guys like GeoHot although i would have expected Sony to come after him because he just opened an exploit for those malicious hackers that I mentioned-the very guys that essentially killed the PSP & made Internet Explorer essentially unusable & Windows a risky OS which forces us to obtain additional security that weakens the overall performance.

    #115 3 years ago
  116. Zurtech

    People seem to miss how important publishing the root key was. By doing so Hotz gave anyone who can code access to PSN. You can access to PSN, you can get access to people’s personal information, names, addresses, card details etc.

    Sony HAD to take PSN offline ’til they secure it lest they wish to get court cases against themselves for breach of the Data Protection Act. It’s why such security has to be in place to start with.

    Sure there might be the odd hacker out there who just wants a job, has no CV, so the only way is to prove to a potential employee what they can do. Hotz did no such thing the moment he published the root key. For every hacker there is that just wants a job there probably another 20 who just want to mess with stuff for shits and giggles. And after those 20 there’s probably another 20 who see this as an easy meal ticket and want people’s card details.

    Hackers are not soft and cuddly friendly little scamps who only have the general public’s well being at heart. Nor are they monsters. For the most part they’re just twats with too much time on their hands and just want to piss about with stuff they shouldn’t and have no right to.

    @113 Couldn’t agree more and aye he was a religious terrorist.

    #116 3 years ago
  117. Freek

    Allot of people seem to think that you need to take sides in this case. And that VG247 has “chosen” to take a “stance against Sony”.

    But that isn’t the case.
    The article simply looks at what happend and has some legitimate criticsms against how the situation is handeled.
    Sony isn’t some helpless sheep lost amongst the internet that requires your “support”.

    It’s a multimillion dollar company. Handeling the security of it’s network should be a top priority. PSN shoulden’t be able to be taken down so easely. Lawsuites shoulden’t be thrown around so frivolously and get out of hand so badely.
    Things that effect themselfs and their customers in a negative way (bad PR and loss of service) by not properly dealing with their problems.

    #117 3 years ago
  118. Lloytron

    I never understood why people would defend a company unless they worked for it. A lot of Sony staff must read this site, judging by the comments!

    Personally I thought the article was very balanced and factual, although maybe a bit melodramatic in places. Seems like most of you guys have missed the point here though.

    The PS3 was hacked because SOny didn’t manage the security properly, and Geohot exposed the keys and embarrassed the company. They took him to court – a fair response. The iphone case focused on mainly whether Jailbreaking was legal or not. And it was judged to be legal. This case focused on nonsensical issues and Sony generally handled this exceptionally badly. They spent most of the time trying to convince the court that Geohot should be forced to travel to California. They claimed he was profiting from his work by sending him money themselves.

    They claimed that piracy and profit was the motive, although this was never proven, mainly because it wasn’t true.

    Then Anonymous started their crusade. This caused the first PSN outage, but then it seems that they realised that pissing off gamers wasn’t the right way of doing things, and changed tactics.

    And now PSN is down AGAIN, over a major public holiday, at teh same time as a major title release, and Sony blame Anonymous for another attack – although it’s apparently not them?

    So in short, yes Sony has been victim in a couple of incidents, but the way they have handled it from day one has been borderline incompetent.

    #118 3 years ago
  119. Uncontested

    Patrick needs to get a job at Faux news already writing shit paper like this.

    #119 3 years ago
  120. OrbitMonkey

    I swear this better not be the work of Skynet o_O

    #120 3 years ago
  121. Erthazus

    People who thinks that Patrick hates Sony need to go back to school or they are high or something.

    @140UC,
    “How about Patrick you report that Sony has decided to rebuild the full PSN NETWORK From the ground up, and include that if it wasn’t for the HACKERS that started this all the PSN USERS would have service now.”

    prove link please? No? Ok.

    “It’s a shame that real truth in reporting and a true unbiased report seem to be missed and in turn it is replaced by a essay of personal words that have no meaning other then to express “Patricks G” own feelings and nothing more.”

    Same to you with this giant wall of text of MOAN and bitching about how: Garrat hates Sony, How Garrat is WRONG, how i hate this article because i love Sony to death.

    #121 3 years ago
  122. Erthazus

    This site is full of Sony fanboys. If this news could represent Nintendo or Microsoft 90% of people would say TRASH about it.

    some people need here a serious medical treatment.

    #122 3 years ago
  123. Robo_1

    “I never understood why people would defend a company unless they worked for it.”

    It’s not so much defending them out of a blind devotion to the brand, just a simple case of enjoying their product, and wanting to see them succeed so that they can continue to supply more of it.

    I’m a Sony fan this gen, mainly due to their decision to make online a free service and their commitment to blockbuster single player games. It’s got nothing to do with seeing a Sony logo on the box, more to do with the product that’s inside it.

    As to the article itself, well as has been rightly said, it’s steeped in unnecessary melodrama, and it’s so unrelenting in it’s criticism of Sony’s actions, that it’s hard to view it as anything other an assassination piece.

    I’ve no problem seeing Sony hauled over the coals for making poor decisions and having lax security. My credit card information is on their servers too, so if Sony are inadequately protecting that information, then I’m happy to see them publicly mocked for it, so that they can learn, improve and come back with a better more secure system.

    That said, it’s hard to shake the feeling that Pat gave the actual hackers who have caused this outage an unnecessary free pass. Pat seems to have the opinion that being angry at the hackers is like raging at the wind, hackers hack, and they’ll always be there, so if you want your console or service to remain secure, you secure it, you don’t expend time trying to catch the wind.

    There’s certainly truth to that, and it’s clear that Sony need to tighten up all areas of their security, but that analogy is only an analogy, and hackers aren’t a force of nature, they are people, who just in front of the Easter holiday, have taken the decision to launch a crippling attack against a service millions of people were doubtlessly looking forward to using.

    That’s shitty behaviour which deserves to be condemned, and for all the mis-steps made by Sony, (that Pat has chosen to shine a lighthouse strength spot light on), it’s hard not to feel disappointment that through that entire article, Pat couldn’t find a paragraph to properly condemn the people who have actually taken the decision to cause this damage in the first place.

    It’s an incredibly one-sided article and many of the valid points raised within it, are going to be lost due to the bias tone which pervades it. Whilst Pat may well have anticipated a backlash from the sizeable PS3 community who visit this site, the complete lack of balance contained within it has assured that those who wish to dismiss it outright, can do so with very little effort indeed, and that’s a shame in itself.

    #123 3 years ago
  124. gomersoul

    the psn is down because of hackers, not necessarily anonymous… they need to get lives and start living them… the only victims here are psn users, through no fault of sony, their security is not inferior, all security can be breached… if it stops wankers getting my card details then good on them… i will forever hate hackers that use their intelligence for the bad things in cyberworld…

    #124 3 years ago
  125. attica88

    Want to express your opinions where they count the most. Go to anons blogspot ‘opsony’, or go to anons homefront at anonnews.org. You can also exact revenge on their IRC channal, or go to 4chan. Please post obscene pics or URLs, remember ‘we do not forget, we do not forget, we are leion’. GAMERS UNITE!

    #125 3 years ago
  126. frostquake

    Simply Put, you have a right to mad at Both, Anonymous and Sony!

    This reminds me of the Katrina Disaster. The US Gov’t had long stated that it was SUPERIOR in all aspects, and could Respond IMMEDIATELY to any threat, and fix it IMMEDIATELY!

    When put to the test, with Katrina, the Gov’t showed it was all talk, and could no more secure the disaster then it could win a war over Religion and Oil!

    So, Sony, sold me on a LINE! Trust in me, Sony said, You KNOW that your INFORMATION is SAFE and SOUND, and that the SERVICE will always be the most secure!

    As we can now see, it was nothing more then TALK, with SONY hoping that NO one ever put them to the TEST!

    The TEST has been PUT FORTH, and their Security was no more then TALK, something that is very easy to cross.

    We, who bought the PS3 and participate in the PSN, were told that all we do and provide is secure, and to TRUST Sony!

    So yes, we have a right to be mad at ANONYMOUS, but we also have just as much right to be mad at SONY! For stating something UNTRUE and when put to the TEST, that statement SONY made was FALSE, even though WE TRUSTED SONY!

    #126 3 years ago
  127. Christopher Jack

    @122, Ok then, name 5 active members other than SOMI (who wants Nintendo & it’s employess to die for some reason) who goes into every Nintendo or MS post & trolls. The biggest troll on this site would be you, fucking hypocrite.

    @123, I’m in the exact same boat as you, I’ve been called a Sony fan, & there’s some truth to it, not because of the logo on the product but because of the actual product they make, it works exactly how I want it to, my only criticisms are the lack of power (as to be expected in an aging machine) & the comparatively weak online interface-I would love to see Sony adopt Steam for a majority of the PS4′s online features like SteamPlay, voice chat rooms & a well supported online store, well I would like any of the big 3 to do so but Sony seems like the only one who would be up for it, still more likely that we’ll see a Steam-box (Custom PC dedicated to Steam) under our TVs than the PS4 integrating it.

    #127 3 years ago
  128. Ireland Michael

    They’re not using the mask because of its historical relevance. They’re using it because it appeared in some pretentious pseudo-intellectual comic book and movie about “fighting” the man.

    It’s hilarious how this our campaign has gotten more attention and support than anything they’ve ever done before. Any campaigns by this particular group – including such ridiculous targets as the Egyptian government – have gone completely ignored.

    The most hilarious offender is how Youtube recently took down their previous videos, most likely at Sony’s request, and Anon instantly proceeded to threaten to take them on, for denying them “freedom of speech”. Looks like that campaign didn’t last long, based on this video…

    What a bunch of laughable idiots.

    #128 3 years ago
  129. bluffbluff03

    @ 122 Thank you. I thought I would be the only one thinking that way. Again your comment is simply right! Like it!!

    #129 3 years ago
  130. OrbitMonkey

    Nicely put Robo_1, maybe you should hand out some of those chill pills your mainlining though. It’s getting a bit tense round here! *tightens tin foil hat*

    #130 3 years ago
  131. NeoSquall

    @94 Well, if someone could sue a group of hackers affiliated with anonymous for BIG numbers, putting on them all the blame for the damage caused by the collectivity, I may join them in the suing.

    @100 I quote every character, punctuation and space.

    @104 How come GeoHot actions aren’t considered ILLEGAL? He dabbled with patented technology and released the means to circumvert it. That’s at least copyright infringment, plus all the DMCA stuff.
    Sony had all the rights in the fucking world to sue the shit out of Hotz.

    “Sony sued GeoHot to show the world what happens when you F*** with them.

    Now Anonymous is showing the world what happens when you F*** with them”

    First case: you get an injunction to pay 10.000 dollars every time they find an illegal software running on PS3

    Secon case: people are damaged from their senseless actions.

    @107
    “How about Patrick you report that Sony has decided to rebuild the full PSN NETWORK From the ground up, and include that if it wasn’t for the HACKERS that started this all the PSN USERS would have service now.”
    Wow, that’s something I didn’t know. Yeah I’m lazy and didn’t search more about this but c’mon, it’s Easter! :D

    @116 My exact thought.

    #131 3 years ago
  132. darth shepard

    lol,this kids don’t know what mistakes are they doing,they’re not getting sony down,they’re makin’ people angry,if anyone cursed them before me,count me in please.

    #132 3 years ago
  133. Robo_1

    @130

    Hey it’s Easter Sunday, so I’m kicking back with a pile of Easter eggs and season three of The Thick Of It. Mr Tucker is doing all the blood vessel popping I need this morning. lol

    #133 3 years ago
  134. Mike

    A pretentious pseudo intellectual comic book?! Fuck off. Seriously.

    Great article which only cements what I’ve been saying for years, really. Hate to say I told you so etc.

    #134 3 years ago
  135. DSB

    @99 They’d still be achieving absolutely nothing. No matter how much cock Geohot is forced to service in prison, they still aren’t left with any kind of victory.

    That’s the problem.

    Sony could use it to profile themselves and go “We’re prepared to face this, and not let it hamper our operations. There are naive punks out there who want to play with our stuff, but we’re professionals, and we are perfectly capable of remaning one step ahead of the homebrew community”.

    Instead of calling a lawyer and going “Waaaah, the dude with the puffy hair broke our entire company, let’s pretend he has billions to give us”.

    It’s about damage control. You try to make a situation work for you, instead of making it worse. It’s not a question of poetic justice, revenge or legal rights, it’s a question of making a problem as small as it possibly can be.

    #135 3 years ago
  136. Erthazus

    @135, fantastic comment. I salute you and agree with everything you said here.

    #136 3 years ago
  137. Mike

    Yeah. Good comment.

    Ball has been dropped. (yet again)

    #137 3 years ago
  138. Kuwabara

    You idiots! its a God send the psn is down. Do you all forget what time of year it is?? EASTER!! the psn went down just before good friday. Good friday and saturday should be a day of prayer and church, reflection , for all christians, not partying or playing games!! You all must be either jews or atheists,muslims. Still show some respect to your christian brothers, and put up with the down time. For all u christians moaning , SHAME on you. Happy easter!! go church and spend time with the family , not gaming..

    #138 3 years ago
  139. Christopher Jack

    Easter has nothing at all do with Christianity, like every other Christian holiday, it’s been shoehorned in from another belief. Christianity has no base of it’s own, like English, it’s come from a bit of everybody else.

    I have no idea how Christianity has became a mainstream religion, it’s got more loopholes than every other religion combined & the bible has constantly been changed since it’s creation, now it no longer has any resemblance to what it once was.

    Sorry if this offends but stop your preaching.

    #139 3 years ago
  140. mathare92

    @138 I’m going to pretend I didn’t read that.

    @123 @135 Well said, chaps.

    #140 3 years ago
  141. Lloytron

    What do you mean Easter has nothing to do with Christianity?

    Isn’t it when our good lord Jesus Cadbury died on a hot cross bun and was resurrected as the Easter bunny?

    #141 3 years ago
  142. Christopher Jack

    @141, LOL :D

    #142 3 years ago
  143. RoarrrUK

    @123 Well said.

    #143 3 years ago
  144. lexph3re

    Wow, complete morons. Kuwabara, easter does not have anything to do with christianity its a hallmark holiday. That is where their right, now where their wrong is that in christianity this day is observed as resurrection Sunday not easter. A lot of Mainstream churches use easters theme like catholism to get more people into the church. But in christianity we observe the resurection not the bunny. Get YOUR facts straight, most americans live in a culturally stripped society and we are forced/raised into the beliefs of our goverment as opposed to our faith(s).

    So your pointless banters trying to point out flawed logic in christian society is just plain banter. Trying to make yourself look smart because you think you can put 2 and 2 together. Stop with this needless hate towards christians. Your all coming off as hypocrites before you come off proving any point.

    And, I don’t have anything to. Say further on the psn behalf. A lot of you are just talking like complete trolls. How you guys feel maintenance to a server is problematic is beyond logic. I guess the two weeks maintenance my job is at fault because they shut the place. Down to fix the place. Please grow up, everything still works your games your netflix hulu and other apps. You just can’t use the storeor multiplayer. Your receiving half of a free service and still act like your paying for it. Let the people work

    #144 3 years ago
  145. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    One question (without reading all previous 144 comments)…

    Couldn’t Sony have turned PSN off for maintenance starting Monday and through the workweek?

    Just a shame they had to do it over an extended holiday weekend when people are more likely to be playing online with friends/family (especially with two new games that have heavy emphasis on multiplayer).

    #145 3 years ago
  146. Christopher Jack

    I wasn’t trying to make myself look smart, I’m just tired of Christians making every topic religious.

    #146 3 years ago
  147. lexph3re

    Last time I checked the people who have started these topics on vg were not christian. Everytime the convos start it started from a. Christian hater. Even when spider originally started a thread he started it to try and calm the hate and give an open eye that not all christians are as hypocritical as A LOT of people on this site tend to think and believe.

    The amount of mocking that goes on this site is just sickening. Never do I see a topic blasting a atheist started by a. Christian or saying all gays are going to hell. The way a lot of you try to make us out to be is annoying and aggrevating.

    And, the fact that a lot of you like to tell us what we believe is hilarious. Did I come on here saying yes easter belongs to us? NO! I said we observe the resurrection of christ. if you guys are so smart then you’d understand the differrences between cultral and religious belief. Easter is cultural it is something the masses observe in a traditional manor to promote happiness to those outside and within a faith. It is a holiday of good will and intentions.

    Resurrection Sunday would be a religious practice. Where people with in the faith can observe their beliefs free of other peoples thoughts and belief. Is it against our belief to celebrate a holiday such as easter? No! Because easter was again past tense was a day given to pagan belief. Now it is a day given to neutrality, are we worshipping pagan gods and tearing our clothes of for sex? No we are letting our children have fun and a choice. Free will to explore what they want to believe while giving them some grounding in their parents belief.

    I wish a lot of you would stop acting like you are fully aware of the faith when you don’t even practice it

    #147 3 years ago
  148. NightCrawler1970

    @138, whats next??? Nostradamus rubbing his glass ball, and saw that Sony went down because of hackers???? give me a break…..

    #148 3 years ago
  149. RoarrrUK

    @#lexph3re – what are you the victim of again?

    #149 3 years ago
  150. Christopher Jack

    @147, No one I’ve seen started insulting Christians out of nowhere, it’s normally related from some tool trying to spread the word. I’ve heard the word spread so many times, if I wanted to hear more about it, I would have done something about it by now.
    My point is, I go onto this site to read gaming related news, not go to church, don’t take anything anybody says against your religion personally, just people venting anger.
    I do understand Christian values & such, I grew up attending a school called St. Thomas Moore where the principal was called Sister Mary. Most of the nicest people that I’ve met are religious but I personally never thought it made sense, even as a child.
    Lastly, If you are truly faithful, you wouldn’t let those who disagree distract you from your beliefs.

    #150 3 years ago
  151. SplatteredHouse

    Because, step-matching the “hackers” worked really effectively for Nintendo, to tackle the Freeloader! They had to address the root cause and ensure that the loophole was no longer available, to invalidate that software. That took time, and it was done in response, a reaction to events.

    If you’re so critical of Sony’s handling of the GeoHotz situation, that you’re recommending they award that guy a paid position – what kind of message is that going to send? Let’s also not forget that these step-matching firmwares are going to need to be regular releases to keep up with the challenge-hunters that would latch on to a new one of those, maybe even with more fervor than Hotz followers did.

    Keep altering the firmware, and that will invite more room for error, and incompatibility snags that damage and even brick systems. If the engineers are spending all their time iterating that only exacerbates the danger…

    Alternatively, you take the whole lot down, as Sony’s done. There’s a vulnerability logged and identified. No iteration, but instead go for a mk. 2 where that problem is addressed and everything’s back to a foundation again, to build from anew.
    Sony CAN get a silver lining from this brooding dark cloud, but it’ll be on the strength of their: communication/(re)action/assurances as to how their future’s going to go. This needs to be fully addressed and gone by E3, or it’ll severely dog their conference and affect confidence going forward, is my assumption.

    #151 3 years ago
  152. DSB

    @151 Really man, that’s the biggest copout yet.

    Microsoft have managed to limit the effects, Nintendo have managed to limit the effects, and Apple are pretty much just ignoring it, and making sure people have to jailbreak their stuff all over again every time they release an update.

    The only way updating your firmware breaks anything, is if you’re too incompetent to adequately meet that challenge, which really shouldn’t be the case for a global online business in Sonys league. You’re expected to, by everyone from the board to your very customers, to have people who are at least as competent as a bunch of selftaught cracking artists.

    Seriously, that’s an extremely thin argument. Updating and improving your software, and having the right people for the job, should be a fact of life for anyone with a persistent online service.

    Nobody gets to keep their software free from mischief these days. Sooner or later, a Geohot is going to come along. That’s been the case with every single product in the history of mankind, from the A-bomb to the Playstation Network. Reverse engineering is 100% assured. All you can do is be ready for it, and make sure you limit the impact it has on your business.

    #152 3 years ago
  153. Christopher Jack

    @152, You seem to underestimate the scale of this impact GeoHot caused & the publicity from sites like this have multiplied that effect 100s of times over.
    Sony isn’t turning off PSN to prevent jailbreakers, they’re doing this because hackers have infiltrated secure & important information that can affect the end user-us!

    #153 3 years ago
  154. DSB

    @153 Ask Microsoft, Nintendo or Apple about the impact.

    Piracy is a fact of life, and it can be limited in various ways. What Nintendo are doing with the DS for example is to try and hit the pirate networks, the people actively doing damage, rather than the guys who simply figured out their secrets. That’s a battle where they can make a difference, as opposed to simply punishing a guy who figured out their system, purely for the sake of punishing him.

    Going after Geohot after the fact just ensures that he’ll be extremely popular, and the damage he did to Sony vastly exagerated. By Sony themselves, no less.

    The publicity is disastrous, but Sony won’t be a less succesful company as a result of this. They’ve just managed to humiliate themselves, and made sure that this drags out longer than it ever should.

    #154 3 years ago
  155. Hunam

    155 posts including mine. I guess when PSN goes down you guys just climb the walls eh?

    #155 3 years ago
  156. gomersoul

    5 words… what a load of bollocks! chill out guys, it’ll be back on soon, then we’ll all forget about this :)

    #156 3 years ago
  157. Christopher Jack

    @154, This security breach has nothing to do about piracy, piracy is one of the smaller reasons why Sony is pissed, the main reason is that the PS3 is open for hackers to cause havoc no longer limited to the PS3 itself but PSN as well.

    #157 3 years ago
  158. DSB

    @157 Could you elaborate on that? I don’t know the first thing about programming.

    What I’ve been able to read about root keys and certificates, it seems to me like there’d be several other layers of security. Obviously though, if someone opens the door to something you’d rather keep shut, then you have to retweak your systems to accomodate that.

    #158 3 years ago
  159. osufan21

    Gamers (Hardcore) dont forget about things like these, expect a damaged reputation after all this is over Sony. Looking on the bright side of things maybe us gamers will get In-Game Chat. Which for you guys know is the majorly anticpated, rumored and wanted update from “hardcore gamers” since the 2008 in-game XMB update. Only time will tell guys :)

    #159 3 years ago
  160. Gekidami

    ^ Except gamers dont blame Sony, so its not their rep getting damaged.

    #160 3 years ago
  161. Phoenixblight

    @159

    You would be surprised to know this but “hardcore” gamers as those that play for more than the majority of players only make up less than 5%. So Yay for Sony ruining their rep for 5% of their players?

    #161 3 years ago
  162. Kabby

    At least Pat has given you all something to do while PSN is down.
    The extra traffic is only a bonus.

    #162 3 years ago
  163. Mike

    Gamers do blame Sony. Anyone with a brain would blame Sony.

    #163 3 years ago
  164. osufan21

    I am only saying that this current state of PSN is not good for Sony. Do you understand 160 and 161? It cannot be a good place to be in despite if its Sony’s fault or not. Just for the record, I was not implying it was Sony’s fault to begin with and you both must also realize PSN is Sony’s network and Sony must take some responsibily on some level whether it be big or small. Also I included Future Course of Action from Sony in my previous statment of a Damaged Rep.

    Keep in mind that the 5% of Gamers purchasae a lot of games, DLC and indulge in Pre-Order options. Also many of the 5% youre referring to have many online and local friends, discussions amongst themselves have taken place definitely. The 5% is more crucial than you think, dont doubt such a small number. The hardcore gamers matter and deserve to be represented not by a number but for what they do to the industry, good and bad.

    #164 3 years ago
  165. Christopher Jack

    @163, I didn’t realize that Sony were attacking their own system. This would be standard security protocol & if Sony didn’t act now, these malicious hackers could have done some serious damage to several users.

    #165 3 years ago
  166. Phoenixblight

    @164

    “Keep in mind that the 5% of Gamers purchasae a lot of games, DLC and indulge in Pre-Order options. Also many of the 5% youre referring to have many online and local friends, discussions amongst themselves have taken place definitely. The 5% is more crucial than you think, dont doubt such a small number. The hardcore gamers matter and deserve to be represented not by a number but for what they do to the industry, good and bad.”

    Uh huh Nintendo, Zynga, DS would like to have a word with you. If you stuck your head outside or have done some research you would see that what you’re saying is complete BS. You would like to think hardcore gamers matter but if this was so why is industry broadening itself to the casuals and to people who have never played before. That is just so weird if the hardcore are their focus.

    Believe what you want but the research is there majority of the games bought are rated E, the average gamer both male and female (75%) put in 6-7 hours a week into gaming. 5% (hardcore) No mater how many games, dlc they buy can never equal (75%)

    Information is out there just have to look for it.

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_110/1344-The-Future-of-PC-Gaming-Isnt-You

    “WildTangent CEO Alex St. John is of the opinion that casual gaming is “unequivocally today.” He estimates the U.S. has about 2 million hardcore gamers compared to 143 million casual. “Over 90 percent of games are sold to people who are not young male gamers,” he says. “Hardcore gamers aren’t even the primary customers for traditionally hardcore games anymore”

    #166 3 years ago
  167. osufan21

    #167 3 years ago
  168. DSB

    Honestly, hardcore gamer is the stupidest term ever.

    Not even hardcore gamers know what makes them hardcore, beyond the fact that it sounds better than nerd. It doesn’t exactly become easier to take it seriously when you see people like Wildtangent CEO Alex St. John (Who?!) claiming that he can somehow deduce the hardcore gamer from some kind of profile of age, gender and location.

    I wish people would put that crap to rest.

    You are not your collection of Razer peripherals.

    If you’re so insecure that you have to somehow desperately make yourself stand out from people who do the exact same thing as you in a different way, then get help, don’t start inventing funny titles for it.

    Maybe I should join in the fun. How does Gamesmaster General sound? Is that a cool title? What about Original Gamester? Kinda like gangster, but with games. OG, dawg!

    #168 3 years ago
  169. Phoenixblight

    @168

    I couldn’t agree more. Organizations and corporations find the “hardcore” to be those that spend a lot more hours playing video games then the majority of gamers.

    #169 3 years ago
  170. furby

    @163. Well, actually, people like you – what with their years and years of trolling and blaming Sony, posting anti-Sony bullshit, always trying to make a mountain from a molehill and tirelessly banging the pro-360 drum on this site and all over Eurogamer..

    ..yeah, those sorts of people would definitely blame Sony. Because that’s their stock response to anything: Blame Sony.

    Fortunately, there’s less and less of saddos like you around, still believing that it’s 2006 and looking more and more ridiculous as you bury your head deeper and deeper in the sand. But when you’ve invested years and years and years bad-mouthing a company I guess you just have to keep blindly carrying on no matter how sad you look doing it.

    Funny how you can always be relied to crawl out from under your bridge when there’s a bold ‘blame Sony’ or ‘praise Microsoft’ article ain’t it?

    Folks like you need to big this sort of thing up as much as you possibly can. Make it sound like it’s the end of the world so you can keep repeating that 2006 “Sony are doomed” mantra you’re still hoping will come true.

    #170 3 years ago
  171. Alakratt

    what a surprise! that ms-loving-douchebag O’Connor is back…just with a different name….anyone care to guess who he is?

    #171 3 years ago
  172. Ireland Michael

    @171 Uuh.. I’m right here. *waves*

    I’ve had this username since the day of the site relaunch, and everyone (and I do mean everyone) that’s a regular here knows that its me. Nobody needs to guess, because everyone already know.

    O’Connor. Irish surname. Michael. It’s not exactly rocket science.

    Microsoft loving? What the fuck are you on about? I’ve been on Sony’s side in this whole Anonymous thing since the beginning.

    Man, I laugh every time someone calls me a Microsoft fanboy.

    I guess I better stop playing LittleBigPlanet 2 so much. And cancel my PlayStation Plus subscriptions while I’m at it. Wouldn’t want to give people the wrong idea, now would I? Hahahaha!

    Whatever you’re smoking mate, please pass it over. It must be awesome.

    #172 3 years ago
  173. Kuwabara

    lol, christopher jack, you’re a stupid jew/atheist . Are you too dumb to understand what the easter period means to christians? we dont care about the easter bunny!!

    #173 3 years ago
  174. Dark

    173 Comments?? really??

    #174 3 years ago
  175. Phoenixblight

    @173

    Way to prove how much of a Christian you really are. You must be that Westboro type you know the ones that call people names and protest at funerals….

    What happened to turn the other cheek?

    #175 3 years ago
  176. DSB

    Well, you either turn the other cheek or you rip a guys eye out, depending on where you choose to look. It’s so gosh darn convenient like that.

    #176 3 years ago
  177. Alakratt

    @172

    Oh, it’s gooood, very good. Mistook you for somebody else, sorry dude my bad.

    #177 3 years ago
  178. Ireland Michael

    @177 “sorry dude my bad.”

    “that ms-loving-douchebag O’Connor”

    Yeah, I can totally feel the love.

    Who did you think was me?

    #178 3 years ago
  179. Alakratt

    @179

    Well, I admitted I was wrong, apparently that wasn’t enough. Ok, I’ll take it back then.

    Who? lol, pointing fingers now is just gonna make another little fight with that somebody and i’m really not up to it.

    #179 3 years ago
  180. Ireland Michael

    @179 I’d rather know who you so desperately assumed I was “back under another name as”, if it wasn’t this one… which wasn’t even a secret.

    Christopher Jack, maybe? Cause that’s Crysis, if you’re wondering.

    Or DSB perhaps? He’s about the only other person on here as overbearing and full of himself as I am.

    #180 3 years ago
  181. MegaGeek1

    LMFOA @ VG247,
    Just saw the new banner.
    what are you guys mongering?

    #181 3 years ago
  182. blackdreamhunk

    meh this boring news there much more interesting news like

    IMF bombshell: Age of America nears end

    http://www.marketwatch.com/story/imf-bombshell-age-of-america-about-to-end-2011-04-25?dist=countdown

    #182 3 years ago
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