Mafia II reviews come in, Eurogamer shocks with 4/10

Tuesday, 24th August 2010 08:42 GMT By Johnny Cullen

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Following the lifting of the Mafia II’s review embargo yesterday, Eurogamer has now gone live with a bone-crunching 4/10 score, by far the lowest published. Get the lot after the break.

The scores for 2K Czech’s crime caper are a mixed bag. A bit like a body-bag. In someone’s “trunk”. This is going nowhere.

Get the full list below below. It’s out in the US today and in Europe on Friday.

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Mafia II releases tomorrow in the US, with a UK launch on Friday for PS3, 360 and PC.



  1. 52pickup

    Where are the big sites,ya know IGN,GT,Gamespot,Eurogamer,Edge?

    #1 4 years ago
  2. DanteDestroyer

    HardGame2 – 10/10

    #2 4 years ago
  3. The_Red

    IGN gave it a 7 out of 10.

    #3 4 years ago
  4. 52pickup

    Game informer gave it 9/10 the other day IIRC. Seems like mixed reviews so far.

    yeah thought so


    OPM UK: 7/10

    NowGamer: 8.3/10

    #4 4 years ago
  5. ianos

    NowGamer have their three separate reviews up:

    PC – (8.3)

    PS3 – (8.1)

    360 – (8.0)

    #5 4 years ago
  6. Crysis IGN, 7.0-decent, but it was done by Greg Miller so ofc he rated the weaker PS3 version

    #6 4 years ago
  7. 52pickup

    Game Pro 3.5/5

    #7 4 years ago
  8. 2plus2equals5

    So ps3 version is better than the 360′s one? :O

    #8 4 years ago
  9. Crysis

    @8, i doubt it, wasn’t it criticized not too long agao? maybe they’re just biased :P

    #9 4 years ago
  10. cookiejar

    I think the reason the PS3 version is getting slightly higher marks is because of that exclusive day one DLC. If you’re into more gameplay and not so bothered about looks, it might swing it.

    #10 4 years ago
  11. Psychotext

    Nowgamer use different reviewers for each version. The scores are basically incomparable.

    #11 4 years ago
  12. DSB

    I was gonna buy this, but based on those reviews, I’m gonna pass until it’s knocked down considerably.

    Cutscene-heavy sandbox game, whose only focus is linearity? Fuck off.

    Note: The PS3 version is given higher marks by D-toid for shipping with an addon campaign, which I’m guessing everybody else will have to pay for. Gotta love a good shakedown with your new purchase.

    #12 4 years ago
  13. 52pickup

    G4 4/5

    #13 4 years ago
  14. Crysis

    thing i always loved about GTA, is that there was always something to do while not in a mission, same as Saints Row & any other good sandbox game

    #14 4 years ago
  15. Moonwalker1982

    No, graphically PS3 is the least of all. Destructoid just gave it a highter rating because of the exclusive DLC.

    #15 4 years ago
  16. Gekidami

    “No”? Who ever said the opposite?

    #16 4 years ago
  17. Crysis

    he was talking to DSB obviously (edits)i meant Psychotext, just read what he wrote & blissfully looked at the name underneath :P, could be wrong again..(edits again)-yes, wrong again :D

    #17 4 years ago
  18. Suikoden Fan

    seems to be generally high-middle, which wasn’t what i expected, the kotaku review really made the game sound like graphics no substance

    #18 4 years ago
  19. DSB

    How does that make sense, he just repeated what I said?

    #19 4 years ago
  20. 52pickup

    CVG: 8/10

    #20 4 years ago
  21. Regular_Erik

    CraveOnline’s review is up…

    #21 4 years ago
  22. Gekidami

    From that Crave review:

    The title took me 11 hours to complete. And when it was over, unless I’m crazy, I couldn’t find a way to get back into the world and explore. Continuing my game placed me at the final showdown again, and short of starting a completely new campaign there was no epilogue or extending circumstances to get me into Empire City again.

    Son, i am disappoint…

    #22 4 years ago
  23. Moonwalker1982

    This is dissapointing, i wasn’t expecting this. I really don’t need these sites to give it a 9 or 10. I care much more about what they say. And they talk about alot of boring missions,and only a few very good ones (like the one where you are dressed as a cleaner) and i was expecting much more missions like that. Missions with depth.

    Then you got the city that apparently feels empty and not alive at all. Cops A.I. very bad and so on…jeez. :(

    No my reply was to this

    2plus2equals5 said:
    August 23, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    So ps3 version is better than the 360’s one? :O

    #23 4 years ago
  24. Suikoden Fan

    @moonwalker well i gotta admit the kotaku review killed any interest i had in this game that and the poor ps3 version

    #24 4 years ago
  25. Crysis

    I would like you to meet my friend, Tommy, Tommy Gun *pew, pew, pew*

    #25 4 years ago
  26. loki

    Developer choose PC as lead platform and fail

    #26 4 years ago
  27. DSB

    I don’t get the PS3 hate. So maybe it doesn’t look as good, but at least your version is gonna have more content than just a tired old gangster story?

    For the moment you can’t even buy the DLC for a PC or a ‘box.

    But totally, this sounds like a huge letdown. Why would you bother making a sandbox, when you don’t want people to play around in it? It defies common sense.

    #27 4 years ago
  28. Mikomi

    9.0 in Italy

    #28 4 years ago
  29. Gekidami

    The differences are pretty trivial honnestly but its more about the fact that there are differences at all then anything else. Rather then work on each version, the devs just got some other studio to port the game. That always leads to the worst result. Its understandable that people dont want to support the devs lack of effort. Look at the welcome Valve got for doing the same thing; Hated by a community for years.

    #29 4 years ago
  30. Suikoden Fan

    @gekidami exactly my thinking, that kind of practice should not be supported

    #30 4 years ago
  31. 2plus2equals5

    Better graphics(pc-360) vs the addition of 20 missions(ps3)? Additional missions!
    @mikomi: are you italian?

    #31 4 years ago
  32. Suikoden Fan

    @2plus im my eyes all 3 versions should be equal in all ways, except the obvious like control scheme

    #32 4 years ago
  33. De-mon


    #33 4 years ago
  34. Blerk

    Hmm. I’ve cooled on this considerably in the last few weeks. The preview stuff all looked stellar, but the demo and the coverage in the run up to release has been significantly less so. It’s gone from a ‘must buy’ to a ‘probably will buy once the price drops’ – these scores seem to be suggesting a similar thing.

    #34 4 years ago
  35. SunKing

    I’m getting a “good, but flawed” vibe from this.

    #35 4 years ago
  36. CenoBit

    I played the demo and quite honestly, apart from the different setting, this is an over-hyped GTA. It’s not bad – it’s just…well…old news.

    #36 4 years ago
  37. Patrick Garratt

    Gamespot and 1UP added.

    #37 4 years ago
  38. mington

    Game Informer – 9/10
    Worth Playing – 8.3/10
    VG Revolution – 7.6/10

    #38 4 years ago
  39. Blerk

    Eurogamer are ‘on form’, I see – 4/10.

    #39 4 years ago
  40. Patrick Garratt

    I’ve bumped it up.

    #40 4 years ago
  41. Blerk

    Eurogamer don’t really ‘shock’ these days – I’m sure they’re doing it on purpose now. :-)

    #41 4 years ago
  42. Erthazus

    Eurogamer can suck my Arse, i’m playing Mafia II right now and i like it except two things:

    Dialog (But i like the overall story.) and actors, but thats it for now, i’m only on the 3rd chapter.

    but did you see there fucking design and graphics? I was shocked when they did a winter styled city and than summer like. That was just jaw dropping especially with my RIG.

    #42 4 years ago
  43. Joe Anderson

    Eurogamer are a bit too harsh sometimes, this is not a 4/10 game, I’d say 6-7/10 probably.

    #43 4 years ago
  44. Erthazus

    @43 You played it already? :P

    The game is not top notch but 7-8 without a problem. It’s very enjoyable. For now i see only problems with actors and dialogs, but thats it.

    Authenticity, graphics, design, are just superb. 3 radiostations, you need to use filling station for your car (like in the first Mafia)

    I can say that Mafia II is not like Mafia 1 (a masterpiece) but people can enjoy it. Maybe something bad will show up later because i’m only on the 3rd chapter. But so far i like it.

    #44 4 years ago
  45. Zonejeu

    Eurogamer France put out a 10/10 :

    #45 4 years ago
  46. Joe Anderson

    @45 haha that’s quite funny really. I guess the french must see it differently.

    #46 4 years ago
  47. Blerk

    Mon Dieu!

    #47 4 years ago
  48. Suikoden Fan

    so acording to eurogamer, you need to be french to enjoy the game? some fucking consistancy eurogamer wouldn’t go amiss.

    #48 4 years ago
  49. 52pickup

    I wonder if they will pull a 7/10 Halo:Reach review.

    Those are the best because you are guranteed 1000+ comments on the matter. It seems EG have a obligatory “shit review,high profile game” monthly quota to meet.

    #49 4 years ago
  50. Gekidami

    Did anyone actually read the EG review? Pretty solid to me, they definitely arent making up the faults because they were quite apparent in the demo already.

    I guess you could say that they stay on the negative but what they do say are real problems. From what i’m hearing of the game i’d be more inclined to go with their review then anyone elses. Giving this game anything over an 8 seems ridiculous.

    #50 4 years ago
  51. Erthazus

    If someone won’t have a 4/10 to the Halo:Reach i will shoot myself, because it feels in that way absolutely.

    OK, i read the Eurogamer review, so… Can’t say he is wrong, he is right, because if it is what it is now with missions (i’m on chapter 3) than yeah, thats absolutely bad.

    but he is wrong about one thing:

    1) There is nothing else to do, except finishing the story

    First of all Mafia is not a GTA experience. It is NOT a GTA experience and never will be a GTA experience no matter how you fucking want. Mafia II is like Gears or Uncharted. You just a guy that finishes a STORY missions just in the big CITY without walls. In games like Uncharted, Vanquish or Gears you are finishing script missions within the walls.

    Thats fucking it.

    @Gekidami, some problems are really out of Ass. The one problem that i see now that they are saying that there is nothing to do in the streets except of missions. Read ^

    I’m on chapter 3, if everything with missions like that reviewer said than it’s bad, but for now i’m playing and having a good time. It’s not a first Masterpiece, but it’s a Mafia 2.

    #51 4 years ago
  52. Patrick Garratt

    I’ve added the score.

    #52 4 years ago
  53. JonFE

    “If someone won’t have a 4/10 to the Halo:Reach i will shoot myself, because it feels in that way absolutely.”

    One can only hope…


    #53 4 years ago
  54. Erthazus

    @53 If it is a good game that good for them, i will eventually try it on my friends box.
    But if it has the same arcadish feel, lifeless dialog system, bad scripting (graphics already like from the last generation with 720P) than this is bad.

    #54 4 years ago
  55. Login

    OOO lol EG lol 4/10 wtf

    #55 4 years ago
  56. DrDamn – 4/10 – 10/10?

    I understand the reasons for this – different reviewers, different opinions, but it really looks poor from a site consistency view. You really wouldn’t expect two professional reviews to come to such diverse opinions either.

    #56 4 years ago
  57. Spendroc 85/100

    #57 4 years ago
  58. EscoBlades

    The game is utter garbage. 4/10 is being generous.

    #58 4 years ago
  59. metamorphic

    4/10 is spot on for Mafia II; it is literally the disappointment of a decade. It is a game that is made to look “good” for commercials but ultimately lacks true content and gameplay. The story is also bollocks, and doesn’t come close to any sort of decent mob storyline; it’s awful and pandering to stereotypes. Even the usually generous IGN has given it a 7/10, thus giving you an idea of how bad a game it is.

    #59 4 years ago
  60. valley

    For an obvious reason the only eurogamer site that should really count is the Italian version…

    mafia II – 8/10

    #60 4 years ago
  61. Blerk

    6/10 from Edge.

    #61 4 years ago
  62. Johnny Cullen

    Added that in. Cheers.

    #62 4 years ago
  63. Goffee

    @DrDamn – you clearly never read the PC Zone “Best of…” articles that often descended into drunken violence. Professional reviewers should and must have diverging opinions, otherwise there is no point in having reviews.

    #63 4 years ago
  64. freedoms_stain

    If you take all the sources who are using a scale of 10, but are really using a scale of 1-5 starting at 6 because they’re scared to give low scores (except in cases where they can get away with it: kiddie games, games not released by major pubs) then the average genuine score probably is around 50-60%

    #64 4 years ago
  65. DrDamn

    I agree professional reviewers should have diverging opinions. However should a professional review just be an opinion? Shouldn’t someone doing this as a profession be able to look past flaws that personally annoy them to see the good that others will see and vice versa. Otherwise what makes them any different to a reader opinion? Given I accept that then I can’t see how two professional reviewers can come back with such diverse scores – one of them is clearly not up to the job.

    #65 4 years ago
  66. Dannybuoy

    Someone’s gonna get whacked

    #66 4 years ago
  67. LockeTribal

    @65 DrDamn: You’re saying that reviewers should overlook glaring flaws in games that annoy them, and concentrate only on the good parts of a title that they think other people will enjoy? Rather than state what they themselves enjoyed/disliked about the game?

    EDIT: Surely if that were the case, every game would get 5/10 or whatever, as the reviewer must acknowledge that there will always be someone who will enjoy a game.

    When it comes down to it, a review is (or at least should be) just one person’s opinion.

    #67 4 years ago
  68. Lord Gremlin

    4/10 seems fair. Empty sandbox, deadly boring missions, intolerable FPS drops and tearing on 360, butchered graphics on PS3.

    I am sure there is a number of bribed reviewers. So in truth this is obviously a 4-6 out of 10 game.

    #68 4 years ago
  69. Mike W

    Maybe this should’ve been a PC exclusive, seeing how both consoles versions are crap.

    #69 4 years ago
  70. DrDamn

    No that’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying the view will obviously be personal, but should try to be objective in some respects too.

    “When it comes down to it, a review is (or at least should be) just one person’s opinion.”

    It plays a part but this is meant to be a professional assessment isn’t it? Therefore it’s not just an opinion. Particularly where the assessment is for a major website/magazine. What is printed is taken as EG’s assessment, not just that reviewers.

    Just as an example, I really don’t like Street Fighter games all that much. Not my sort of game at all. I can still appreciate the finer qualities of it though – particularly in comparison to other games of that type. A professional reviewer should be able to use their knowledge and experience of games to come to those sort of assessments. That is what they are paid for. To my mind they are not just there to give a well written very personal opinion.

    #70 4 years ago
  71. freedoms_stain

    @70, don’t you think that’s a bit clinical for an entertainment medium where the essential selling point is FUN?

    I mean, if you go too clinical on a review you run the risk of down-grading games that are less technically impressive despite the fact they would score 10/10 purely on a fun scale.

    I reckon this is why these review round-ups and metacritic are useful, everyone has different ideas of what fun is, so it’s good to have a root around and see what other people think is and is not fun in a game and say to yourself “well does that bother ME?”

    *crosses fingers that imprompu amateur use of half remembered html works* edit: fuck yeah!

    #71 4 years ago
  72. DrDamn

    To be clear I still expect a personal element in a review – it’s an important part of a review. It does need to be clear to the reader and be backed up in the text – but that is fine. I cannot see how two professional assessments – from the same organisation no less – come to such differing views though.

    What distinguishes a professional review from an normal opinion posted to a forum/website. Is it really just the likelihood of it being better written?

    #72 4 years ago
  73. Bikki

    The review is utter shit. The guy clearly does not like mob games, swear words, sandbox games. And they also gave RDR an 8. Sure, an 8 is good but the game deserves a 10!

    #73 4 years ago
  74. AHA-Lambda

    @ 73 – opinions people! I thought RDR deserved a 7! most overrated game of the year -_-

    PS: i am not bloody posting comments too quickly god damnit!

    #74 4 years ago
  75. Erthazus

    @73, 10 is perfect and RDR is not perfect. 8.0-8.5 is a perfect score for RDR.

    #75 4 years ago
  76. DrDamn

    10 is not meant to mean perfect. Certainly not for EG. From their scoring policy – ‘Does 10/10 represent perfection? No. However, a 10/10 score does mean that we recommend a game to everyone.’.

    How does that tie in with one EG review of 10 and one of 4 though? *We* recommend this below average game to everyone? ;)

    #76 4 years ago
  77. theevilaires

    I may gain some respect for Eurogamer after all if they serve justice like this on a regular term. What happen did all the XBOTS over there get fired and replaced with real gamers? :D

    #77 4 years ago
  78. eromar

    More reviews: 9/10

    Giantbomb 3/5

    #78 4 years ago
  79. Erthazus

    “10 is not meant to mean perfect.”

    If you don’t understand the score instruction than you should go to the first grade.

    10/10 is a score where there is nothing better in this genre. If you see a lot of scores like 10/10 from game reviewers it’s because they are fucking stupid and not enough educated to score a game. 9/10 is excellent and e.t.c.
    If you look at the movie industry you won’t see much 10/10 from good review publications, except of some cheesy casual New York times and e.t.c.

    Scores in the gaming industry these days are from 6-10. While it is not right.

    #79 4 years ago
  80. LockeTribal

    @76 “How does that tie in with one EG review of 10 and one of 4 though? *We* recommend this below average game to everyone?” recommends it to every French-speaking person in Europe, while only recommends it to 4 out of every 10 English-speaking people. :P

    Only messing, but I do see where you’re coming from. I’m just of the opinion that just because the reviewer was of a different opinion to other reviewers (whether in the same “network” or in general) does not mean his review was unprofessional. He clearly stated the things he liked and disliked in the game (IMO) and based his score on that, seems fair enough to me.

    #80 4 years ago
  81. DSB

    @51 No matter which way you look at it, when you make an open world with a random generator of people and cars, people expect to be able to use it to have some fun.

    If you’re just gonna make a huge sandbox and apply it like it’s a Max Payne setpiece, then there’s absolutely no point in wasting time making that sandbox.

    Not to mention that the game doesn’t seem to be nearly long enough to justify it in any way.

    #81 4 years ago
  82. DrDamn

    I’m not saying the 10 was right or the 4 – I’m just questioning the two together. If a reviewer finds enough flaws to warrant a 4/10 they should give it and back it up in the text. That’s perfectly acceptable. I can’t see how another reviewer would find the same thing “Phenomenal” though.

    #82 4 years ago
  83. JonFE

    “10/10 is a score where there is nothing better in this genre.”

    I’m not sure that’s how it works. Maybe you could argue that “10/10 is a score where there is nothing better in this genre at the time of the review“, because otherwise a 10 should not be awarded to anything as improvements are always around the corner.

    To be honest, I prefer Eurogamer’s interpretation of 10/10 meaning “that we recommend a game to everyone“.

    #83 4 years ago
  84. DrDamn

    10/10 means whatever they damn well define it as in their own scoring system.

    “10/10 is a score where there is nothing better in this genre.”

    That’s clearly not perfect either – just because it’s better than everything else?

    #84 4 years ago
  85. DSB

    @84 Of course it’s an editorial question, but personally I never reward a full score for anything I review, unless it literally blows me out of my chair.

    It’s the most powerful thing you can really do with a grade scale. If that highest number feels and seems completely unattainable, then it ultimately becomes a far stronger statement.

    It’s the same reason why I prefer 5-scales to 10-scales. With a 5-scale there’s no average, you’re forced to actually do your job and decide whether it’s above or below a 2,5. That means doing the hard thing instead of getting lazy with a bunch of 5′s.

    #85 4 years ago
  86. DrDamn

    That’s fine – it’s what you define it as, but something can blow you away and still have flaws can’t it?

    #86 4 years ago
  87. LockeTribal

    @82 Fair point.

    Just had a quick skim of the review and seems to make clear that the reviewer there loved the story to pieces (comparing it to Scorcese’s work). Obviously not the case on :)

    Read through Kotaku’s review as well, and it reads very much like the review. Praised the graphics and the acting, but say that: “it falls well short of expectations built by three years in development and a seven-year-old hit.”

    #87 4 years ago
  88. DSB

    @86 I should say I review music, so it’s different material, but I don’t know.

    I consider myself a professional when I review things, so I’m really not blown away if there are any noticeable flaws. If I just buy an album and listen to it, I’m in an entirely different mode.

    If it’s an album that’s meant to be messy and rough, then minor flaws are a part of the piece, but if it’s meant to be a complete production, then pretty much any noticeable shortcoming would knock it down to a 9.

    If 10 just means “Really good – Go buy it” then what do you give to a truly iconic, groundbreaking game? It’s too many definitions for just one grade imo.

    #88 4 years ago
  89. DrDamn

    Music is very much a different kettle of fish. There is a large technical and design aspect to games which every professional reviewer should be able to be assess. There are some common elements with music – and that is why you should and do see decent variation in scores. Music is more of a pure art form, and whilst there are elements of art to games I think taken as a whole it is more of a craft.

    10 in the EG scale is meant to mean Phenomenal – not Really Good. It could mean whatever they define it to mean though – I don’t care. What is important is that it is not necessarily what I think it should mean. :)

    #89 4 years ago
  90. Happy Hardon Harry

    Gaming journalist are a bunch of incompetent cunts! I wouldn’t trust their opinion on a game as far as i could throw them.

    I’ll buy Mafia 2 (PC version of course) and make my own judgements…like all the games i’ve bought.

    I don’t need some asshole telling me if a certain game is good or not, it’s a case of horses for courses n’ all that and the fact that Mafia 2 has got some decent scores reflects this.

    #90 4 years ago
  91. DSB

    @89 Just to be annoying, I don’t neccesarily agree with the art thing :P Music is as much an industry as any other form of entertainment.

    There’s a pretty big difference between a Lady Gaga album and a piece by Erik Satie. Doesn’t mean you can’t put a lot into making a great piece of entertainment, though.

    Generally I don’t like the word art. It’s never really served a purpose to me. Whether you distinguish a painting as art or not, it’s still just as much a painting.

    I think 10 should represent something that’s in a league all its own. That’s why I lost most of my respect for Eurogamer when they allowed that atrocious Braid review to go through.

    #91 4 years ago
  92. DrDamn

    Fair point – I was obviously thinking much more of the music I enjoy :D

    #92 4 years ago
  93. Bikki

    Erthazus is an incompetent fuckstick IMO.

    #93 4 years ago
  94. xino

    mixed average reviews.

    I won’t be getting the game cuz the ps3′s version is a piece of sh*

    #94 4 years ago

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