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A Year of Delays: the big games that have slipped… and why Destiny could be next

Wednesday, 4 June 2014 15:17 GMT By Matt Martin

5 reasons why a Destiny delay wouldn’t surprise us

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It’s massively ambitious

We wouldn’t expect anything less. This is a series of games that has already been mapped out for annual release over the next 8 years. You need to get that right from the start because Bobby Kotick and Eric Hirshberg will not accept a shaky start. According to the original eight year plan we should be receiving the first Destiny expansion this year, meaning Destiny was originally due in 2013. It’s already been delayed, it can happen again.

Previews so far have been lukewarm

Look at this headline – it’s not exactly boxquote material:

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That was from a press trip where Activision and Bungie controlled the whole experience; gameplay, locations, gear, stats. Everything. If the press aren’t behind it yet, there’s a lot more marketing that needs to be done, and it needs to ramp up quickly because we’re only four months away from the September 9 release date.

Online, online, online

See those problems with Watch Dogs online? See also those problems with Titanfall online? And every other online game ever launched? Online is a ballache that can’t be tested until it’s really, truly, live. And by then everyone is already trying to play it but can’t due to some stupid bug but it’s too late they’re already leaving 0/10 scores on Steam and PSN and XBLA and Twitter and Metacritic and Neogaf and that’s it. You’ve lost your audience.

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Activision can afford to delay it

Sledgehammer is in the process of re-imagining the Call of Duty franchise and getting everyone back on board after Ghosts turned out to be a bit of a duffer. Although Activision needs to get Destiny right, it can’t let Call of Duty slip either. Holding back Destiny in favour of giving Advanced Warfare more marketing budget means the cash cow continues to chew-up the charts this year and well into the next. That’s safe money in the bank while Destiny gets all the development love it needs.

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Delays happen all the time

It’s not a Destiny issue, it’s a video game issue. Every game you’re looking forward to gets delayed. Most of the time it’s for the better. Watch Dogs was delayed and it still managed to sell 4 million copies in its first week. 4 MILLION. Show that to a suit in the boardroom and he’d probably demand a delay in order to increase sales. Throw in a few pre-order incentives to keep the fans sweet and no one will really care if they have to wait another six months. Will they?

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73 Comments

  1. CyberMarco

    The more I see delays of upcoming games the more I’m convinced that the new consoles where rushed as hell.

    On the other hand there was a feeling that the PS360 were too old. Oh Gaming Industry you! the most incompetent of them all…

    #1 11 months ago
  2. undermyrules

    in my book Destiny is more overhyped than Watch Dogs was…Watch dogs turn out good game(and not GOTY like we thought it gonna be) but Destiny will fail 100% with like 55/100 reviews.

    #2 11 months ago
  3. Erthazus

    @CyberMarco They were not rushed. Well, PS4 is not rushed that’s for sure.

    Upcoming AAA games are always delayed.

    #3 11 months ago
  4. Legendaryboss

    @1
    That connection makes absolutely no sense.

    #4 11 months ago
  5. OlderGamer

    Cyber+1

    My biggest beef with gaming right now is lack of next gen games. I can deal with them not being graphical power houses. They aren’t terrible looking either. But if the new games don’t start and keep coming…what is the point of having a next gen system?

    I just play PC while I wait.

    #5 11 months ago
  6. DiodeX

    Looks like that 2015 is the real start of next gen consoles. Hang in there me ole trusty 360 :D

    #6 11 months ago
  7. Dog4life

    Nextgen consoles came out way too early.

    They could have waited 1 good year later for the release, maybe with even better HW specs

    #7 11 months ago
  8. Erthazus

    Next-gen is a stupid buzz word for high school children and it works against these machines.

    PC is so far right now in innovation that consoles can’t even get to the indie level of a PC and all of the ports (Elder Scrolls online) or possible sequels or new big games (that are cross platform) so far are being delayed because development is harder and harder every year and it requires more budget.

    #8 11 months ago
  9. lubu

    @DiodeX
    don’t count on it. 2014 was supposed to be a good year, but it wasn’t. i bet most of those 2015 titles, and titles got delayed to 2015 and new titles in E3 will be push even more to 2016-17-limbo

    #9 11 months ago
  10. polygem

    i don´t believe that destiny will fail at all.

    i think that it will become one of the commercially strongest franchises of the next 10 years really / as acti has planned obviously :D

    it all looks good to me. the artdirection is pretty solid. it has stylized, slick and clean visuals.

    this is a bungie game. they know a thing or two about how to make a game feel right.

    i don´t think that anyone can judge it by just looking at it or by playing it for half an hour.

    many people never really played halo and then wrote it off as trash while others who have dedicated time into it praise it as one of the best mp shooters ever. i am certainly in the latter team.

    i think bungie will nail it.

    i listened to their podcast a lot recently. they´ve putted so much passion and thoughts into this, into world- and weapon design, into balancing it, making it feel right.

    i am a believer.

    we´ll see.

    #10 11 months ago
  11. mistermogul

    @CyberMarco – Don’t think the consoles were rushed, just that it takes more man hours and effort to make new gen games.

    Nintendo also found this out with the Wii U and HD development, hence the massive game droughts that console has suffered.

    #11 11 months ago
  12. Joe Musashi

    I don’t see the transitional issues of the current gen being any more severe than the previous one. Or the one prior to that.

    Given where we are in the lifecycle of the new platforms, this is par for the course and quite understandable. It’s amazing how, every few years, folk forget what happened previous and act like this is all new.

    Also #1 blames the industry for things being too fast and for things being too slow. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Very easy to sit and lay blame.

    And any implication that this is specific to certain types of platforms is just desperation. Games get delayed for heaps of reasons, and always specific to each project. Try reading some development post-mortems sometime . No need for insipid politics to come into it.

    JM

    #12 11 months ago
  13. CyberMarco

    @Erthazus

    Yeah sure, the PS4 wasn’t rushed at all. Lacking features that the PS3 had on launch (DLNA features, mp3 playback etc.) and others that even toasters and fridges can do these days.

    @Legendaryboss

    I think it totally does. What’s the point of having a “next-gen” console if new (and not cross-gen) games aren’t available for them?

    #13 11 months ago
  14. Joe Musashi

    Lack of DLNA isn’t the result of the product being rushed.

    JM

    #14 11 months ago
  15. CyberMarco

    @mistermogul

    Then they should make sure that when they make an announcement they are able to fulfill that and not act surprised from the outcome.

    Also, did someone fart?

    CM

    #15 11 months ago
  16. Joe Musashi

    I think you’re confusing the stench of the combo of thoughtless knee-jerk reaction and assumed-entitlement with farts. One is far more easily dispelled than the other.

    JM

    #16 11 months ago
  17. OlderGamer

    I think it is an investor related/biz related problem honestly. To the suits, the last gen was perfect. A huge install base, easy to program for, shorter dev cycles, and cash cows for the top tier pubs. If you were them, would you want to walk away from that and embrace a new generation of hardware? With all of its pitfalls and uncertainties. Not to mention smaller user base?

    I don’t think many companies prepared properly. I don’t see the incentives for them.

    Now add in underpowered hardware)and I am sorry but the xbo and PS4 are grossly under powered. The WiiU would have sold better had they waited till after the PS4 and XBO launches and gamers had their “that’s it” moment with those systems. The WiiU has several games that stand shoulder to shoulder and in some cases exceed the PS4/XBO games. I don’t want to get off subject, just saying the next gen systems aren’t what most people expected or wanted out of new hardware. Think back three years, you expected more. The reality is the next gen systems didn’t deliver and don’t make a strong enough, imo, case for moving forward from a gamer stand point. None of them, either of the three.

    Complete lack of Backwards Compat. I think it hurts MS and Sony. WiiU has it, and so should XBO and PS4. Offer old games being played on new systems, then dial down the production of old systems. If you own a XB360, you can buy newly made xb360 games. If your system dies or you just don’t have one, you can still play those same xb360 games, but on your brand new XBO. Never before have I felt that BC was so important. Never before have gamers had so much past investment in a single gen of platform. I spend thousands of USD on PC games. I upgrade my PC(maybe even buy a new one), and all of my Steam games are still there for me. Consoles should be like that. I am going to lose so freaken much if I unplug and shelf(or sell) my xb360. And what about all of those PSN+ games I have? Same type of thing. Imo, this gen, BC was needed.

    The next gen systems sell well, but they don’t deliver the games. There is a seemingly lack of next gen focus. Lots of companies are very happy to produce PS360 gen titles with their “next gen” versions with slight graphical improvements. I own everything, always have. I play a lot of BF4 and Madden25(PS4), beyond that my XBO/PS4 sits empty. I play a few WiiU games, will buy MK8 soon. And while this might come across as having a sense of entitlement, it isn’t. But I am not happy with any of the next gens systems. They just don’t deliver. I wanted better graphics, bigger worlds, better gameplay, and NEW games.

    I think there too many suits with their grubby hands on the puppeteer strings right now, console side. I that is why the PC has been resurgent. I think that is why there are legions of kids aged 4 to 12 that couldn’t careless about consoles, and I think it will catch up to the industry down the road.

    Maybe not, maybe I am just getting too damn old to care(and it is true, I am). These are just toys and it is just a hobby after all. That being said I can still express my disappointment with the games industry right now, and at the next gen in particular.

    #17 11 months ago
  18. Erthazus

    @CyberMarco these features were out because Sony tested it’s sequrity for the PS4.
    If you don’t know at launch USB devices worked not properly because Ps3 has a history with dongles and other piracy stuff.

    this is a piracy protection on all fronts and the best way to test it when the thing has come out.

    #18 11 months ago
  19. polygem

    farts? yeah, can smell it too. pheeew…who was it?

    #19 11 months ago
  20. Joe Musashi

    DLNA and similar function are absent for a very obvious reason. A considered reason. One that wasn’t rushed:

    These companies have musict and media content services of their own and also partnerships for content services.

    If they provide you with that stuff out of the box, there is no reason for you to investigate their pay-for-services.

    Which, as the maker of the platform is their say so and theirs to control. It’s not because of a lack of though, it’s the exact opposite.

    And exactly the same is true for lack of back compatibility. The platform holder earns nothing from providing it. And if their previous machine is still on the market then it will have the higher profit margins. Why cannibalise sales of your more profitable product by giving it away for free in your less profitable one?

    It makes absolutely no sense.

    The cost of developing emulation or back compatibility is high and will see zero revenue. Everyone who bitches about ‘waaaah I want to play my old games’, when asked, has NEVER said ‘but I will buy new games for the older machine to play via back compatibility’. In other words: all cost, zero revenue. There is no commercial reason to do it.

    Furthermore, HD remakes / Definitive versions have already proved to be a highly profitable and well received alternative. The consumers have spoken with their wallets.

    None of these things are the result of rush. Or lack of thought.

    Just because something YOU want isn’t present, doesn’t mean an oversight occured. Just that you’re too wrapped up in yourself to even consider a bigger picture might exist. That, perhaps, the world doesn’t revolve around you.

    JM

    #20 11 months ago
  21. CyberMarco

    @OlderGamer

    I agree that the new consoles are underpowered compared to PC from back to 2010 but they are miles ahead compared to the PS360. There were some great games squeezed out of those hardwares, great games introducing better graphics and gameplay mechanics compared to their predecessors.

    I think that the PS4/XB1 wont shine because the PS360 are keeping them “hostage” with all the cross-gen games. But even then, the same games on PS4/XB1 would perform better and deliver much more if they were on PC.

    @Erthazus

    I can’t get you, seriously. On one day you are all for bashing these POS machines, with suP-Bar features and potato-like quality of games, with no real-time foliage in the air simulation and titty tessellation and yet you are “defending” the lack of features from these consoles. Double standards much? Are we going to reduce the field of playing?

    @Polygem

    I know right!? :P

    #21 11 months ago
  22. Joe Musashi

    I’ll add that what you’re seeing is the continued transition to a service driven model of content and commerce on all gaming platforms.

    But, yeah, game delays: nothing new.

    JM

    #22 11 months ago
  23. Legendaryboss

    Damn! Comment didn’t go through. @CyberMarco Your response to Erthazus has more merit for platforms being rushed, but the original indication still makes no sense: games getting delayed has nothing to with platforms being rushed. Millions of customers have purchased Xbox One & PS4, crossgen games are obviously profitable for now and remakes/ports are in the same boat. Gamers purchased their consoles to play games, may not be the sole reason. Regardless they have games available to play, be it “new gen” exclusive or cross-gen, i doubt they will get nit picky over new gen exclusive or cross gen exclusive or platform exclusivity.

    #23 11 months ago
  24. mistermogul

    @Joe Musashi “I don’t see the transitional issues of the current gen being any more severe than the previous one. Or the one prior to that.”

    True but that doesn’t necessarily mean developers were more prepared than in previous generations… Nintendo certainly weren’t prepared for the required additional resources needed for HD development and I think that’s been proven in their Wii U output since late 2012 and Iwata keep telling me to “Please understand” ;)

    #24 11 months ago
  25. ManuOtaku

    I understand that new consoles will suffer from this issues, delaying and not getting new games, this for being new architectures and because of this, the needs of new techs to be able to develop for newer Architectures, etc.

    But I do not understand why this issue was a focus for the wiiu, but not for PS4 and one, i mean why some gamers did critize nintendo, stating they were not ready for hd era, and for that being obsolete, but they remain silent with the other two, thats my main qualm regarding this.

    Also If this new architectures are pc based in order to be friendly to developers, why this is happening?, i believe there are some reasons that are being keep close to the chest regarding this.

    But I do hope it is fixed at some point, although is very tempting to publishers to keep this going for a while, five platforms instead of three is better, especially when gamers do not demand more than an enhancement in pixel count. We Are Making it easier for them.

    #25 11 months ago
  26. Joe Musashi

    @24 “True but that doesn’t necessarily mean developers were more prepared than in previous generations…

    I think that’s precisely the case. It’s just as big a generational hurdle to get over as it’s always been.

    And that games are frequently delayed anyway.

    JM

    #26 11 months ago
  27. POOhead

    This happens every gen,fucking noobs with short term memory loss

    #27 11 months ago
  28. mistermogul

    @Joe Musashi Agreed!

    #28 11 months ago
  29. Legendaryboss

    @ManuOtaku Because Nintendo are all alone in supporting Wii U and the other two have their third party support in addition to their own games. That’s why it was a focus, it was more apparent. But the majority of the games being delayed are third party, that’s where your logic fails.

    #29 11 months ago
  30. Erthazus

    @CyberMarco No double standards sir. Look, when Steam launched it was not good as it is today. In fact, it was a piece of shit.

    and something like a console that is known for piracy issues and security breaches… Obviously it is going to take a while for them to bring features. PS4 was not rushed. It is a complete system. Every other thing you mention is an OS enabled feature. It has nothing to do with “consoles” being rushed.

    #30 11 months ago
  31. ManuOtaku

    @Legendaryboss ok agree, but it hanst been that many sony and microsoft ips released so far, therefore while they are not been delay, like third paty titled, they are not been release either, there are not thay many games from them, most are third party, so there are some similarities in both cases.

    #31 11 months ago
  32. harr0w

    Its obvious to anyone with eyes that the consoles were well and truly rushed out of the gate at the very least 12 months to early. Couple that with the extra supposed performance to the new Xbox one Dev kits with kinect optional now I think there will be more to come for sure.

    #32 11 months ago
  33. Mike W

    I hope Destiny is not delayed, but like Dave said it wouldn’t be a surprise.

    But now that we know what games are delayed, let’s look at what else is still on track to release this year for the current gen systems at the moment. Please be advised that I’m purposely excluding last generation consoles.

    Lords of Fallen (PC, PS4, XBO) Date is unknown (may release this year)

    Dragon Age: Inquisition (PC, PS4, XBO) October 7, 2014 (may release this year)

    Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor (PC, PS4, XBO) October 7, 2014 (may release this year)

    The Evil Within (PC, PS4, XBO) October 21, 2014 (may release this year)

    Diablo 3: Ultimate Evil Edition (PS4, XBO) August 19, 2014 (has to release this year)

    Destiny (PC, PS4, XBO) September 4, 2014 (may release this year)

    Far Cry 4 (PC, PS4, XBO) Holiday 2014 (high chance of being pushed into 2015)

    Assassian’s Creed: Unity Holiday 2014 (PC, PS4, XBO) (has to release this year)

    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare Holiday 2014 (PC, PS4, XBO) (like fucking clockwork, this game is never late)

    Driveclub (PS4) October 7, 2014 (has to release this year)

    Sunset Overdrive (XBO) Date is unknown (high chance of being pushed into 2015)

    I’m not sure if I’m missing anything else, but as you can see the pickings are getting slimmer and slimmer.

    #33 11 months ago
  34. zombizmo

    I think Destiny has already been quietly delayed back in spring when it was originally supposed to come out. I can’t see them doing it again honestly. Sure, it wouldn’t affect Activision in the least but I do think it would hurt Bungie and how people hold interest in this game. Although Activision does control marketing for the game I think that would be giving them a little too much power over the brand which from what I understand isn’t part of the deal between them and Bungie.

    #34 11 months ago
  35. Kreion

    Hasn’t it always taken a while for good games to come out on the next iteration of a console? I mean I can’t remember that many impressive games on the early days of the PS3 or 360 or even the Wii. With that said the latter, and Nintendo in general, got games on it quicker than the other two – but that’s mainly because they were the same franchises as always.

    I wouldn’t say these consoles are rushed…I think the development of the Xbox One was skewed and think that it’s suffered on that front, but it wasn’t like it was kicked out of the door suddenly – it was a long series of mistakes instead. Same with the PS4 the issues with it are prior decisions that Sony has decided to reverse or modify – which there’s nothing wrong with since the market is always in flux.

    Still, I never expected to see any amazing games this year – I expected them to be announced this year. I’d much prefer that the studio’s take their time in getting to know the new hardware before releasing a new game on it.

    #35 11 months ago
  36. Shadonic

    On the little preview thing, that’s not really a good source to judge the entire game on for any site, its like if they showed off watchdogs psychedelic digital trip and if people hated it and based their entire opinion no how the game was on a separate game mode. The previewers all know that you cant really have a good opinion on a game we all still know barely anything about and or experienced. I was worried about what i read but i’m not going to base everything on it and take it with a grain of salt. I’ll wait for the beta to make my own judgement and the game to make my final decision.

    #36 11 months ago
  37. ManuOtaku

    Also i do forgot to mention that new early ips of the past gen like assassins creed, the darkness, valkyria chronicles, heavenly sword, lair, Condemned, etc, didnt came on the ps2, or on the first xbox, like it is happening in this gen with watch dogs, thief, shadow of mordor, Destiny, etc.

    Therefore I think this generation is somehow diifferent than the others from a third party view of things. Like i said for publishers is more tempting to release in five consoles rather than three, especially when we demand more pixels count.

    When, a game like assasins creed, that was not possible on prior console cycle,will come on this gen. Maybe its my way of seeing things, but this gen is a little different than previous ones.

    #37 11 months ago
  38. polygem

    i think this console gen is very different to the previous generations. the graphical differences just aren´t that impressive anymore.

    the tech has reached a point where technological progress is slowing down a little bit again.

    the pc is getting cheaper too and more accessible and much more mainstream because of that…and more future proof. it´s upgradeable and upgrading becomes easier too.

    consoles are outdated the moment they are released. by design.

    kids grow up with mobiles and pcs first and foremost, not many have consoles too. they don´t need them. they play elsewhere. maybe their dads and moms play consoles, their older brothers…

    we also see more and more concepts of making the pc more streamlined. it will see a facelift, a transformation…be it the steambox or that razer upgradeable pc thingy. i forgot the name. you know that thing. these concepts aren´t there yet but they could be getting there.

    i think these concepts are a hint towards a future videogame market and not only videogames. everyone needs a pc. they are aiming for the livingroom and it makes sense.

    consoles are facing a problem in that regard because the marketing power buzz wont sell systems forever, esepcially if you can´t deliver and at the same time have a pretty steep asking price for hardware AND games.

    the innovation must come from the software itself and not so much from the hardware anymore.
    or you have to try to make your hardware unique (wiiu) and then try to find a niche with it. it´s risky but it could pay off in the long run.

    just offering a system upgrade every 7 years wont work anymore, at least i can´t see it working like this forever and ever.

    also, look at these systems architecture. they ARE basically pc´s.

    ok, i wanted to say that and that mario kart 8 looks better than everything that i have played on my launch ps4.

    #38 11 months ago
  39. bradk825

    Could increased public awareness of crunch, and the accompanying disdain for it have anything to do with the delays? Have they become more likely to delay than abuse employees?

    #39 11 months ago
  40. Joe Musashi

    Can someone point me to some reliable, objective information that supports the notion that PC adoption is exponentially increasing into the demographic occupied by console sales (and, likewise, objective information shows the console adoption demographic is significantly shrinking?). And that the two are directly related to each other?

    The industry figures I’ve seen and commercial receptoin to consoles (particularly the recently releasesed PS4 and XBO) suggest otherwise. Didn’t retailers keep talking about ‘record breaking’ pre-orders too?

    Thanks.

    JM

    #40 11 months ago
  41. polygem

    we´re seeing the last gasp of the videogameconsole as we know it.

    #41 11 months ago
  42. stretch215

    The only thing a console gamer upgrading to new gen cares about (visually) is that the games look better. And they do. Dramatically.

    #42 11 months ago
  43. stretch215

    *drastically- damn autocorrect

    #43 11 months ago
  44. Joe Musashi

    “As we know it” is a subjective and nebulous term. It could be applied to any and every generation because what is ‘known’, the norm, changes with each progressive generation. So, besides theatrics, I can’t see much objective information in that statement at all.

    For those insisting that consoles are dying and PC adoption is moving into that demographic, what objective information, what evidence can you point to that substantiates this belief?

    What I’m looking for is concrete, objective information. Not personal interpretation or anecdotal evidence. Presumably such evidence must exist.

    Thanks.

    @stretch215

    Improvements are always present, but the ability of the end user to pick them up will vary. For someone going from mono to stereo sound, the improvement may be dramatic. From sterio to surround, less so. Surround to 5.1 less so again. 5.1 to 7.1 even less. Regardless, these are all steps forward and become the new norm.

    Likewise, if you don’t know the difference between pre-baked lighting and dynamic lighting you’re unlikely to appreciate how one differs from the other, the benefits and costs as to why it may not have been present in one generation but in the next.

    Of course, advancement is not all about visuals. But its the most convenient barometer to use.

    JM

    JM

    #44 11 months ago
  45. polygem

    the fact that the consoles sell today doesn´t mean that they will sell tomorrow. what you are selling as facts aren´t facts if you try to paint a picture of a future videogame market.

    it will always be speculation. you do not have more than i have. you are speculating.

    steam is a service with 75 million users – and it is still growing – they are creating steamboxes now, you have heard of it, they are grabbing for the living room, they have said it. they are going to compete with the console market now.

    so this is pretty new, it is a new trend. it should be interpretated. it could have an impact on gaming. it probably will.

    pcs are becoming more accessible and cheaper. the kids are at the same time becoming more and more tech savy. while pc´s offer you more freedom, consoles offer you more and more restrictions.

    this is not exactly a great selling point for consoles and again this is another huge social trend…people do not want restrictions in their technology that hold their product back in an artificial way. they tolerate this less and less.

    this needs to be answered if you want to keep in business. this desire needs to be satisfied.

    look at what happened to ms after their reveal. it shows that there is lots of room for alternative business models. restrictive ones aren´t the ones you should be looking at.

    consoles are restricted by design. they are outdated. they can not much longer hold on with the zeitgeist.

    you can of course nail down numbers more easily than social trends. it doesn´t mean that you should ignore these trends. if you want a complete picture, you must look at them.

    consoles are losing the advantages they once had (accessible, easy to pick up and play etc etc). the pc is getting there as well while at the same time it offers you much more freedom and alternative applications. it will soon be much better value.

    if the steambox will pay off for valve and their third party manufacturers is not clear at this point but it is a very very clear message nonetheless.

    i don´t think that the steamboxes will be huge successes but they will slowly cut the ground from the console business. at this point this is a clear sign to me. i read it like that. feel free to interpretate this differently.

    all that, combined with underwhelming experiences offered from the console manufacturers pretty much only allows one conclusion at this point…

    the videogame console as we know it could have it´s very last dance if innovative, alternative ideas cannot be achieved from their manufacturers.

    #45 11 months ago
  46. ManuOtaku

    @polygem sadly i think that scenario might happen, is a possibility, with that i concur. Personally i dont like it, i dont like steam, steam machines or pc, or systems in gaming like netflix, etc., for various reasons not worth writing here.

    But I think newer techs on consoles can overcome that scenario, imagine a holographic console alas star wars chess game, without the need of tv sets, glasses, anything, just an hologram. That would be mental, and can keep consoles relevant. And like i said holigraphic, any brand new tech that we might not imagine right now. I remain optimistic.

    #46 11 months ago
  47. polygem

    @ManuOtaku

    i do not want it to happen either.

    they must all look for a new niche soon i think. this market will change even more. the cards will be shuffled completely new.

    it must not mean that they will all have to get out of the hardware market but tbh i think that they will go towards branded services for the most part and / or have to really create some unique hardware that gives you a different gaming experience (virtual reality or yeah, pretty much anything, noone can look into the future).

    we´ll see…

    #47 11 months ago
  48. Joe Musashi

    So, what you’re saying is that you do not have any quantifiable, real world, objective evidence to support your argument.

    And not only that, you’re asserting your argument in the face of the quantifiable, real world, objective evidence that says the opposite.

    Got it.

    JM

    #48 11 months ago
  49. ManuOtaku

    @ Joe Musashi having evidence doenst mean it can become a reality or not, the same applies with not having evidence.

    Of Course evidence sustain an argument, but because this is tie to unknown factors, does not mean that an Argument will be maintain or debunk in the future.

    Chances Are that having evidence will make the probability of being truth or happening, very high, as well as not having evidence, the chances will be low, but this does not make it infalible/falible.

    There Are a lot of theories in all types of sciences and studies, that were sustain in evidences, that later became wrong or debunked, with newer evidences and studies. This because a lot of factors not worth writing here.

    His Opinion might be wrong or without any evidence, but that does not mean is not a possibility, even with remotly chances of being truth or becoming reality in the future, it is a possibility.

    For Example electricity by air, there was evidence of that with the tesla research, tested, and in theory it was/is possible, but for a lot of factors not worth writing here ( politics, economic, personal gains), it is not a reality and never has been.

    #49 11 months ago
  50. ManuOtaku

    Also i will like to add, sorry, that theres also a lot of theories based on evidence that were rejected, discarded by the body that ruled that area, to later become accepted and well received, becoming the facto.

    #50 11 months ago
  51. NocturnalB

    I just don’t understand such a long delay for The Division, was it just that early in development? Obviously making a game on such a scale takes time, but if they knew it was going to get delayed for 2 years why did they even bother mentioning it so soon?

    #51 11 months ago
  52. budoshi

    READ this with the joker ‘s voice: Oh yes they all going to be delayed and then downgraded you’ill see…you’ill see e e hihihihhahahahah MOUHAHAAAhhahahahahahah

    #52 11 months ago
  53. briggstown

    Most of those games you mentioned would have died in this jam packed fall.

    - The Division won’t look like that. (See: Watch Dogs) They were nowhere near being finished with that game.
    - The Order will just be a horrible corridor shooter.
    - ESO is confirmed mediocre.
    - Quatum Break: Remedy is solid, but the slow time featured looked more like a gimic then actual fun.
    - The Last Guardian: VAPOWARE
    - Dying Light: Techland made Call of Juarez and Dead Island so why would I care about this?

    The only two that I will miss is the Witcher 3 and Arkham Knight.

    Don’t sleep on Shadow Of Mordor. They are showing off true next gen gameplay features. Monolith is solid so I see no real reason why they can’t pull it off. Visceral will make the single player in Hardline amazing. Evolve will be a GOTY candidate. Far Cry 4 is pretty much a given for GOTY candidate. Inquisition will be solid if not great.

    #53 11 months ago
  54. Joe Musashi

    @ManuOtaku: You’re spinning those semantics so hard you’re making yourself dizzy.

    It’s one thing to propose a theory.

    It’s another thing to propose a theory and be unable/refuse to provide a shred of objective evidence to back it up.

    It’s yet another thing to assert that theory in the face of objective evidence that demonstrates the opposite of it.

    It’s another thing to declare it factual (#41)

    You will notice, that whilst attempting to entertain this incredulous theory I specifically asked for obective, real-world, evidence. I then clarified that further by stating that providing personal interpretation and anecdotal evidence wasn’t ‘objective, real-world evidence’.

    Just after banging his theory as fact, polygem spewed a mass of personal interpretation and anecdotal evidence.

    Possibilities are nice. Pigs may fly. Money may grow on trees.

    But anybody insisting those things are going to happen, is choosing to ignore reality.

    JM

    #54 11 months ago
  55. Gekidami

    we’re seeing the last gasp of bread as we know it.

    Because the fact that bread sells today doesnt mean that it will sell tomorrow.

    So yeah. The end of bread, “logically” explained.

    #55 11 months ago
  56. polygem

    @48:

    i have offered lots of evidence.

    in fact you didn´t deliver any evidence yourself. i am still waiting for that tbh.

    the conclusions you have made, reveal literally nothing about the console market in 7+ years, instead you just lazily, repetitively, almost mantralike, analysed the status quo again, assuming that things will just stay the same as they have been in the past, while at the same time ignoring the factual, drastical changes this industry faces atm.

    this can only be described as naive.

    #56 11 months ago
  57. Joe Musashi

    “i have offered lots of evidence.”

    You have provided precisely zero evidence. Even when requested numerous times.

    You have provided an abundance of personal interpretation and anecdotal evidence whilst asserting your opinion as fact.

    You, your theories and your supporters lack credibility. Lying and spinning do not add credibility.

    JM

    #57 11 months ago
  58. polygem

    @Gekidami

    “People, we are not talking about food and water. We are not talking about basic human rights.
    Videogames are a luxury, not a necessity”

    Joe Musashi

    #58 11 months ago
  59. polygem

    @Joe Musashi

    Well, if you would finally offer some of your “facts” i might bite again.

    For now you only romanticised about how the current market will just stay as it is forever.

    This is short sighted if you ask me. In fact, this ignores facts. It´s a very lazy analysis too. But most importantly, for the topic we are discussiong here – it proves precisely: nothing.

    #59 11 months ago
  60. Joe Musashi

    Your ‘tactical retreat’ has been noted.

    JM

    #60 11 months ago
  61. Gekidami

    @polygem
    What Joe said doesnt matter seeing as i was using the example of food as merely a parody how how dumb your logic is:

    -Take something thats selling well
    -Say that things might change (offer no actual reason why)
    -Therefore its the end of that thing

    “Well, if you would finally offer some of your “facts” i might bite again.”

    Fact: This is the best selling console generation ever, bar failing Nintendo.

    Conclusion: The decline you’re talking about is bogus and has no backing. Besides perhaps for failing Nintendo.

    #61 11 months ago
  62. polygem

    “Say that things might change (offer no actual reason why)”

    i offered many reasons why.

    repeating that this console gen sells well doesn´t change the fact that this doesn´t prove that it will stay like that forever.

    in fact it could very well be just the last gasp of these systems….because – well, look at my posts above….lots of reasons to be found there and there are more.

    prove me otherwise or at least admit that you are just speculating about this topic.

    you are speculating here and trying to sell your assumptions as facts, while at the same time you are ignoring obvious social and some very relevant market specific trends. you can´t use the console sales of today to demonstrate their continuing success tomorrow. that´s just not working. no matter how you look at it.

    #62 11 months ago
  63. Joe Musashi

    “prove me otherwise”

    It’s been provided. And yet, every time it has, you just childishly dismiss it and insist your unfounded, fact-free, reality-dismissing opinion-presented-as-fact has more substance.

    It doesn’t.

    JM

    #63 11 months ago
  64. polygem

    no joe, you still have to deliver on that unfortunately.

    #64 11 months ago
  65. Joe Musashi

    Fortunately for me, the real world supports my argument. Your dismissing of it doesn’t negate it.

    You have no proof and no argument. Just posturing and theatrics.

    JM

    #65 11 months ago
  66. polygem

    the real world supports my arguments. your arguments only reflect on a staus quo. don´t do the mistake of mixing these things up.

    #66 11 months ago
  67. Joe Musashi

    If the real world supported your arguments (it doesn’t) then why, after multiple requests have you failed to provide any objective, quantifiable, tangible evidence of it?

    I’ve politely asked you, multiple times, to point me to this factual information.

    Your response has been to present a grandiose but empty statement or essays of personal opinion presented as fact.

    Given your habitual lies, manipulation, brain-meltingly poor grasp of how commerce works, platform bias, spin, selective comprehension, aggression, agenda and investment in conspiracy theory, I find it hard to simply beleive your reality-dismissing argument as fact. Lying about providing proof, dismissing reality, and deriding the views of others further damages the credibility of you and your argument.

    At this point, you still have provided no proof, evidence or facts. You merely claim you have and then parrot out take a few of my words and parrot them back at me.

    Every time you reply and fail to substantiate your argument with something more credible than your own personal view, you demonstrate that you have no argument, just bluff and bluster.

    JM

    #67 11 months ago
  68. polygem

    but joe, i have pointed out that this IS my personal view. it is, just like your argumentation is yours.

    the moment that you will get this into your head, we can finally start a discussion.

    this is one of your main problems. you don´t get the basics.

    #68 11 months ago
  69. Joe Musashi

    Awww. The great fact-presenter, [no]proof-provider, reality dismisser has given up all his efforts above and imploded into ‘just opinion’. Mmmm, #41 is so clearly presented as ‘just an opinion’. Yup.

    I had understood, in the first place, that it was your opinion. You had already overlooked that. That is why I asked for the evidence that formed these opinions in the first place.

    No, it’s far easier for you to just u-turn than simply point to all this ‘proof’ you repeatedly claim to have already provided eh?

    Just another evasive move rather than being able to discuss and converse like a normal human being. Carefully signed off with a derisive remark so that it looks like your utter failure to conduct a simple conversation is somebody else’s fault.

    Bluff and bluster. Nothing more.

    JM

    #69 11 months ago
  70. polygem

    oh joe…

    #70 11 months ago
  71. Legendaryboss

    Walk in, walk out.

    #71 11 months ago
  72. polygem

    i just googled video game consoles decline…

    #72 11 months ago
  73. face76

    The ps3 had just as bad first year. Uncharted wasn’t released until the ps3 was out for over a year. The ps3 got Ratchet and Clank and Resistance. They had problems with mulit console games not looking as good on the ps3. But look at how well the ps3 turned out with the games that were released in that start of its 2nd year.

    This time next year we will have games like Batman, Witcher, The Order 1886, Dying Light, and many others. The summer is always a drought for games, but can’t for Valiant Hearts. The fall usually starts off with NHL and picks up from there. We have Sunset OverdriveDestiny, AC 5, LBP, Shadows of Mordor, Alien: Isolation, Dragon Age:Inquisition, Driveclub, The Crew, Far Cry 4, Evil Within, Evolve, and a few others. Even the ps3 and 360 have games like Tales of Xilia 2 and New Borderland’s Game.

    The PS4 and Xbox One are only 6 months old. Xbox One was all about it features when announced and less on games. They changed that tempo this. Especially with the sales falling behind the PS4. A PS4 with 2 major games: KillZone and Infamous. Within the next year we will see some amazing games on all consoles, including the Wii U. In this industry its either taking to long to be released or it rushed. The problem is we are spoiled with technology.

    #73 11 months ago

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    Dragon Age: Inquisition DLC has now been announced for May 26 for PS3, PS4 and Xbox 360. The announcement was made on Twitter via the official Dragon Age account. Mark your calendars! #DAIJawsOfHakkon pic.twitter.com/mU1WfkSrQV — Dragon Age (@dragonage) May 1, 2015 The DLC was released for PC and Xbox One back in March thanks to […]

  • New Witcher 3 screenshots highlight Geralt’s questionable fashion choices

    Even though The Witcher 3 release date is drawing closer, it still feels like a million year away. So here are some more screenshots to tide you over until then. We got to look at in-game shots yesterday, but these new screens show Geralt riding through some gorgeously vibrant mountains, in the midst of combat […]

  • Sims Gurus patch out pregnant men

    Say goodbye to The Sims 4 unique take on fatherhood, as The Sims Gurus confirm that male pregnancies are no more. The Sims 4 players have been reporting high numbers of alien abductions, leaving their male characters with sore bottoms and a bellyful of alien baby. Kotaku reports that not everyone was getting their knickers […]

  • Black Mesa countdown probably points to Half-life remake release date

    Half-life remake Black Mesa may have a release date at last. Black Mesa is a Source Engine remake of the original Half-life, which like everything related to Half-life feels like it’s taking forever to come out. The first part launched in September 2012, and it looks like we might have a release date for the […]

  • Spector puts down rumours of troubled Epic Mickey development

    Epic Mickey seemed like a surprising follow-up project from the man who made Deus Ex, but Warren Spector has put down rumours of a difficult relationship with Disney. Epic Mickey displays several qualities found in Spector’s other games and which he has always espoused in interviews – heck, this is the man whose dream it […]

  • Ubisoft makes good on Child of Light promise with free eBook

    Child of Light fans can check out a gorgeous new illustrated book set in the world of Lumeria. Earlier this month, creator Patrick Plourde confirmed that there were more Child of Light projects on the way. As we expected from the cagey wording, at least the first of these projects isn’t a game: it’s an […]

  • Half-life episode from Junction Point would have featured a magnet gun

    Half-life seems to be on near permanent hold, but at least we can glean some insight into what might once have been. Junction Point’s cancelled Half-life game came up in Warren Spector’s Reddit AMA overnight. Commenting that he isn’t sure whether he’ll get into legal trouble for discussing the project, Spector gave a few comments […]

  • Destiny: exclusive shader, emblem on offer with Nepal benefit shirt

    Destiny developer Bungie has asked Guardians to offer their aid, and they’ve already responded in troves. A new Destiny shirt added to the Bungie Store is the object of a fundraising drive to provide aid in Nepal following a devastating earthquake this week. Bungie popped the pretty stylish shirt on sale earlier today, offering an […]

  • What does the creator of Deus Ex think of Human Revolution and Mankind Divided?

    Deus Ex creator Warren Spector seems pretty positive about the direction the sci-fi series has followed under Square Enix’s hand. Deus Ex was created by Spector and his team at Ion Storm, and remained with Eidos after the developer shuttered. When Square Enix purchased the British publisher, it put new studio Eidos Montreal to work […]

  • Protest Goat secures future for Elite Dangerous destruction derbies

    One of the stranger and more beautiful stories to manifest in the gaming world this week, I think. Elite: Dangerous has given birth to an unintended, emergent style of gameplay; a destruction derby like affair where players gather in no combat areas to both race and gleefully smash into each other until a victor limps […]

  • Destiny’s stunning landscapes captured in panoramas

    Destiny has some beautiful environments, which screenshots don’t necessarily do justice to. Walking around Destiny exclaiming over the lighting effects and the tiny animated details is the best way to experience Bungie’s tremendous achievements, but these panorama images stitched together from in-game screenshots are a good second. Click to see them fullsize. Redditor CenturyEagle made […]

  • Star Wars Disney Infinity re-release on the cards – rumour

    Star Wars is a no-brainer for Disney Infinity, and at long last it looks like it’s happening. A Star Wars re-release called Disney Infinity 3.0 has reportedly leaked from German retailers. We have to lable this one a rumour as we haven’t seen the original source, but the story was originally reported by DisKingdom, which […]

  • Award-winning mobile indie Monument Valley out now on Windows Phone

    Windows Phone’s game selection can be a bit restrictive, but has expanded delightfully today: Monument Valley is now available. Monument Valley is one of those gorgeous, mind-bending puzzlers the indie scene produces on the regular, winning awards and consuming everyone’s lives for weeks on end. Developed by Ustwo Games, with beautiful, understated art from Ken […]

  • Old-school EverQuest servers safe from legal troubles thanks to Daybreak agreement

    EverQuest rights holder Daybreak Game Company given its blessing to the wonderful Project 1999. EverQuest: Project 1999 is one of those lovely ideas that it are all too often crushed by the realities of the games industry. An entirely fan-managed affair, it provides an emulated version of the classic EverQuest experience, which is no longer […]

  • Free Dragon Age short stories fill us in on Corypheus’s followers

    Dragon Age: Inquisition developer BioWare invites you to learn more about the lore and characters that make up its beautiful role-playing setting. Dragon Age is set in Thedas, a world still only partially revealed by the three core games to date. BioWare puts a heck of a lot of work into its worldbuilding, employing a […]

  • Remember that gorgeous Luminous Engine tech demo? It now utilizes DirectX 12

    Remember the gorgeous Luminous Engine tech demo Square Enix showed off three years ago? The firm showed it again at Microsoft’s Build Conference, this time utilizing DirectX 12. The Witch Chapter 0 [cry] real-time tech demo was created from research Square conducted using real-time CG technology and DX12 in collaboration with Microsoft and Nvidia. The […]

  • Stealth Inc 2: A Game of Clones sneaks onto GOG and Steam services

    Stealth Inc 2: A Game of Clones can now be purchased through GOG and Steam. On both services it will run you £12.99/€14.99/$14.99. Links here and here. The game features: Fully explorable ‘Metroidvania’ style overworld, laying siege to a diabolical cloning facility with varied and detailed environments. A variety of special equipment to unlock new […]

  • Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare DLC Ascendance has arrived on PC, PlayStation consoles

    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare players on PC and PlayStation consoles can now download the Ascendance DLC. The second content pack contains the OHM weapon, the OHM Werewolf custom variant, and the second entry in the Exo Zombies saga, Infection. Four new maps are also included: Perplex, Site 244, Climate, and Chop Shop. Ascendance was […]

  • Latest Xbox 360 system update is live, now supports 2TB hard drives

    Xbox 360 now supports 2TB hard drives via the latest system update for the console. Support for the drives was announced earlier this month and has been available for preview members. “In addition we will also no longer reserve space in advance on your hard drive,” said the firm. “If you are using 16GB of […]

  • Kickstarter for Banjo-Kazooie spiritual successor Yooka-Laylee launches tomorrow

    Playtonic Games has announced the Kickstarter campaign for its spiritual successor to the Banjo Kazooie series, Yooka-Laylee, will launch tomorrow. The title of the game was announced today along with the Kickstarter date. Formerly known as Project Ukulele, the 3D platformer is said to be “between the size of Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie,” and stars Yooka […]

  • Console version of Mistwalker’s Terra Battle is in development

    Now that Mistwalker’s Terra Battle has surpassed 2 million downloads on mobile, the developer is now working on a console version of the tactical RPG. As part of the original Download Starter campaign, the 2 million milestone means the company will begin development on Terra Battle’s console version with details to be announced at a […]

  • Prison break game The Escapists is heading to PlayStation 4 from May 29

    The Escapists, Mouldy Toof’s prison break game originally released as a timed console exclusive Xbox One, has a release date for PlayStation 4. For those unfamiliar with the title, which is also a PC release, it tasks players’ time management skills as they do a bit of digging and crafting, and other prison-type stuff as […]

  • Dead Island 2 delayed into 2016 to ensure series is “taken to the next level”

    Dead Island 2 has been delayed into 2016 by Yager in order to ensure the sequel “takes Dead Island to the next level.” According to a tweet from the developer, it set “big goal” for the game, and in order to deliver what fans expect, the team needs more time to reach development goals. “We […]

  • Project Cars: here’s a list of all available cars at launch

    Project Cars will contain many, many cars and if we are counting correctly, there will be 74 total at launch. The standard edition contains 65 total, and when factoring the free car as well as the Modified and Limited Edition cars packs, you can add an additional nine cars to the mix. Comb through the […]

  • Competitive matchmaking support is coming to Team Fortress 2

    Team Fortress 2 will soon feature support for competitive matchmaking, which Valve says is a “high priority” project for it at the moment. According to a report from TeamFortress.tv, which visited Valve headquarters recently, Valve is looking into the possibility of 6v6 or 9v9 matches 9v9, a possible quick play option and it is also […]

  • GTA 5 PC patch fixes garage, Job crashes – full notes here

    Rockstar has pushed out a 353 MB patch for GTA 5 on PC The patch fixes a number of annoying bugs related to vehicles and garages, some deathmatch issues and purchase errors. It should also fix various freezing and crashing bugs, as well as a little issue with Steam. Time will tell if the patch […]

  • Fire Emblem If will come in White Kingdom and Black Kingdom versions with amiibo support

    We’ve finally got some juicy details on the next Fire Emblem game, but the most interesting aspect is that there will be two versions of the game. According to Siliconera, who translated an interview between Intelligent Systems and 4Gamer, there will a White Kingdom and a Black Kingdom version that offer different aspects of the […]

  • Deception 4: The Nightmare Princess heads west with “Golden Toilet” pre-order bonus

    Deception 4: The Nightmare Princess will debut on western PlayStation 4 systems this summer, Koei Tecmo has announced. It is also coming to PS3 and Vita. The game was produced by Keisuke Kikuchi of Fatal Frame fame and takes up where Deception 4: Blood Ties left off allowing players to relive Laegrinna’s pursuit to free […]

  • Nintendo US eShop update: Puzzle & Dragons Super Mario demo, Paper Mario, more

    Nintendo has updated the North American end of the eShop with a demo of Puzzle & Dragons Super Mario Bros. Edition, Paper Mario on Virtual Console, and amiibo Tap. The full update is below. eShop update amiibo Tap – free – Wii U Star Wars Pinball DLC – Wii U Paper Mario – Wii U […]

  • Deus Ex: Mankind Divided PC port handed off to Nixxes

    The PC port of the new Deus Ex has been handed over to Netherlands based studio, Nixxes software. After the initial reveal trailer at the beginning of April, we’ve only had a few morsels in the way of additional news. The most intriguing tidbit to date has got to be the fact that you’ll be […]

  • First-ever PC Gaming Show to take place at E3 2015 in June

    PC gaming will finally have its very own E3 press conference this year, thanks to PC Gamer and AMD. The PC Gaming Show will take place on June 16 at the Belasco Theater in Los Angeles and it will be livestreamed on Twitch. PC Gamer said speakers at the presentation will include representatives from Blizzard, […]

  • Majora’s Mask light available now on Club Nintendo for 6000 stars

    Club Nintendo shuts up shop on September 30 and members are being encouraged to spend accumulated stars before then. And what better to spend them on, than this adorable Majora’s Mask light? If you’re a member based in Europe you can nab it for 6000 stars. If you’re in Australia or New Zealand, it’ll only […]

  • Unity support announced for HoloLens, will work with Windows universal apps

    Microsoft is partnering with game engine developers Unity in order to make HoloLens compatible with apps and games which use the cross-platform engine. The partnership was announced yesterday during its Build Developer Conference. Universal apps for Windows 10 systems will also be available on Xbox One later this year, suggesting possible HoloLens functionality with the […]

  • Splatoon Nintendo Direct airs Thursday, May 7

    A Nintendo Direct focused on Splatoon, the Wii U multiplayer title, on May 7. It will kick off at 7am PDT/10am EDT/3pm UK and it can be watched via the Nintendo Direct website. You can also have a look at the game through Nintendo’s Twitch channel. The last game-specific presentation took place last week and […]

  • GTA 5 PC: clean up the streets as a member of the San Andreas PD with this new mod

    Remember the awesome mods for GTA 4 and San Andreas that let you run amok online as a member of the po-po? Well, dust off your taser and load up your gun, because it’s coming to GTA 5. The new mod for GTA 5 is currently in alpha and can be downloaded at palmbeachgames.com. You […]

  • Indie shoot ‘em up Project Root comes to Xbox One, PS4 and PSVita

    Project Root is a self-proclaimed rejig of the shoot ‘em up genre that was released on PC last year, and it’s finally coming to consoles. Combining free-roaming elements with the usual business of shooting things, Project Root was released this week for Xbox One, PS4 and the PSVita.