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Wii U complaints based on pre-retail SDK, console not more difficult than rivals, devs say

Monday, 13 January 2014 02:16 GMT By Brenna Hillier

A couple of developers have rebutted an anonymous report on the Wii U, which has been sparking heated debate this weekend.

In a couple of tweets collected by Destructoid, Chris Arnold, founder of Ping developer Nami Tentou, rebutted an anonymous report outlining various hardware and development problems with the Wii U.

“Most of the main complaints pointed at in the article from the dev is aimed at pre-retail release SDK problems,” he said.

“I can safely say that the post release SDK kit given to developers now do not contain any of the listed problems and being an early on developer on any new hardware will pose challenges to those unfamiliar. Programming and coding is most of the time trial-and-error.

Wii U game development takes the same amount of work and attention as a Xbox 360 or PS3 game development. They’ve done their process of making their API understandable and useful to seasoned programmers. Wii U development = any other game console development time.”

Meanwhile, Jools Watsham of Mutant Mudds developer Renegage Kid twice told fans that the Wii U is not more difficult to develop for than other platforms.

Although both developers tackled claims made in the article about the Wii U’s architecture, they didn’t discuss matters relating to lack of third-party support and management’s lack of understanding of modern console networks, which were perhaps more concerning.

Many concerns about the Wii U’s hardware and development environment were raised and apparently put straight back to bed in the lead up to its release.

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15 Comments

  1. salarta

    … Did anyone else notice that in the process of rebutting Wii U complaints, Chris Arnold implicitly confirmed that the Wii U is essentially last gen?

    If each generation comes with greater difficulty when it comes to game development as has often been stated by developers, and Wii U games take the same amount of work and attention as XBox 360 and PS3 games, then it logically follows that the Wii U is equal to the 360 and PS3, not the PS4 and XBox One.

    #1 1 year ago
  2. Dragon

    ^ Not only that, what did anyone expect someone from Renegade Kid, a company whose games first debut on Ninty platforms, to say?

    There is a reason why the EG article dev remained anonymous. You will only hear positive PR like here from people who are named.

    #2 1 year ago
  3. The_Red

    “they didn’t discuss matters relating to lack of third-party support and management’s lack of understanding of modern console networks, which were perhaps more concerning.”

    Well said. And honestly, it makes sense. Some of the claims from DF article do seem to be closer to a pre-retail SDK, something that both PS4 and XB1 devs have also probably suffered from for some time.

    Sadly, being out of touch with modern features like online and lack of communications are the things that Nintendo has ALWAYS plagued Nintendo. These rebuttals are essentially confirming that those things haven’t changed and in light of Wii U’s terrible performance, lack of 3rd party support and horrible online network (Which stayed down during holidays more than ANY other system or platform).

    #3 1 year ago
  4. thegrimmling

    The WiiU is this generation’s Sega Saturn.

    #4 1 year ago
  5. The_Red

    Interesting note: Most (Not all though) of the people that are disputing the article in question happen to be Wii U only devs in console market. Take Chris Arnold, founder of Ping developer Nami Tentou for example. Wii U is the only console that’s getting his game.

    The article (And general trends / complaints) have already mentioned there is a sense that when your game is fully third party (Coming for PS3/360) Nintendo is a whole lot less interested in helping or communicating with you. In other words, Nintendo is trying to make life easy ONLY for those that are trying to be somewhat exclusive.

    #5 1 year ago
  6. salarta

    @5: Making life easier for companies that are fairly exclusive in comparison to doing it for fully third party companies isn’t as shocking as you make it sound. If Nintendo is going out of its way to intentionally be difficult for fully third parties, then yeah, that’s a problem, but we don’t have anything suggesting that just yet. It’s much more likely that like any company, Nintendo has a lot more commitment to pleasing their regulars to ensure their regulars stay. It doesn’t mean they don’t want to turn non-regulars into regulars, it only means that with finite resources, they’re going to put the emphasis on pleasing who they already have in partnership.

    The more important part of your observation, I believe, is that most of the devs disputing the article are exclusive to the Wii U. They have a vested interest in the success of the Wii U for the success of their own companies. That does NOT mean they’re lying or willfully making things up, but it means that they have a stronger chance of downplaying problems or looking the other way when they happen.

    People that have an interest in something, especially one that has an impact on their professional lives and livelihoods, become very desperate to defend it.

    #6 1 year ago
  7. Joe Musashi

    Reading both this article that prompted this response and also the lengthy Story of the Gamecube article that appeared recently, it really shows Nintendo’s thinking and, particularly, attitude towards 3rd party developers.

    I think many of the issues reported in the Eurogamer article are specific to pre-launch SDK for new hardware (as opposed to, specifically, Nintendo and/or the Wii U) there are still significant issues.

    In anything, there’s going to be things that go wrong. How you handle things when they go wrong is what matters.

    Gamers tend to assume they are the only costumers that matter. But for a console maker, they have many customers. Distributors, retailers and developers are all customers that the platform holder needs to work with and maintain good relationships with.

    JM

    #7 1 year ago
  8. Clupula

    @4 – Untrue. The Saturn, at least, had a wealth of games to import if you were a fighting or JRPG fan.

    #8 1 year ago
  9. SCAssassin

    @8 which means nothing because those gems remained in Japan rather than given the chance to come over to the states where the Saturn floundered. There’s handful of japan-only Wii U games I want, quite frankly.

    #9 1 year ago
  10. Clupula

    @9 – You’re missing the point. The Saturn didn’t have just “a handful” of games in Japan. I’m talking dozens of great fighters and JRPG’s that Western fans begged the deaf fools at SoA to release here. I had a huge Saturn collection, 60% of it imports.

    The Wii U? Maybe Dragon Quest X?

    Apples and oranges, me lad.

    #10 1 year ago
  11. bigtakilla

    @1 The dev also stated that it’s just as hard making a game on ANY console, so what are we saying here? All consoles are last gen?

    @2 This I can kind of see where you’re coming from, but the fact that you are willing to listen to “anonymous” (which is the person who made the first article about devs and the Wii U) I’m gonna say that pretty much wins that arguement. I’d rather listen to a third party making an exclusive for the Wii U about the difficulty of making games for the Wii U than “anonymous”.

    @3 What’s the point of discussing something that can be fixed in an update?

    @Clupula You’re also looking at a gens worth of games compared to a year. As far as great rpgs, the Wii U has Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Dragon Quest X, upcoming Monolith Soft X and upcoming Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem, and Monster Hunter Online. Not to mention indie games such as Soul Saga, and Edge Of Eternity.

    Then look at the other systems jrpgs coming out next year…. Which are pretty much indie games. They got WRPG’s like Witcher 3 and Deep Down (maybe) coming next year, but any real jrpg won’t come until at least 2015 with the release of Final Fantasy XV and Kingdom Hearts 3 (if they even really come out then).

    About fighting games, it does seem to only have Tekken Tag, and the upcoming Super Smash Bros. For fans of fighters I can see the hope that Nintendo will secure more in that genre. It seems that action games such as Bayo 2, the Wonderful 101, Hyrule Warriors, and Ninja Gaiden 3 Razors Edge is more where they’re going.

    It seems like these comments are very biased and short sighted on this website, which is sad. Lol.

    #11 1 year ago
  12. Jlahoud

    We are just fed up with this anti-Nintendo propaganda …. We are fed up with these stupid articles on Wii U sales….Do you know that Wii U is selling better than XBOX One.. Do you know that Nintendo 3DS is the most popular system on earth now considering he fake media hype over PS4 and Xbox One.. well Nintendo systems are still very popular !!! among real gamers not fake hardcore FPS players

    I believe in Nintendo and Wii U. I have a Wii U
    and a 3DS XL and love both systems.
    you realise that everytime Wii U come up
    with good news…hardware sales are picking up in Japan, EU and US… good games
    are selling now…well there is some corrupted media that come up with negative
    info just to crash the Wii U …montly fools , Michael Pachter EA…they are
    just idiots that don’t know what the gamins is really or are paid by some
    competition just to scare people away …but you know what we are not idiots
    …you can fool some people sometimes but you can’t fool all the people all the
    time…
    We are just fed up with this anti-Nintendo propaganda …. We are fed
    up with these stupid articles on Wii U sales

    You want to know the truth:
    Nintendo is the
    best and greatest video games company; Nintendo was there from a long time and
    Nintendo can create the best first party games…What is sony and microsoft
    without thirth partys …a big zero!

    Nintendo has a lot in it’s bag and Nintendo can
    survice on it’s own

    Wii U can be at a best.. a susscful machine like
    like the first Wii or 3DS or more like a Gamecube at worst..but that will never
    stop it from having the best quality gaming on earth.

    …Now that is a genuine gaming compagny…
    Nintendo games are diversified not just old FPS or teams sports games made by EA
    each year wihtout any innovation…

    It the gaming experience the most important thing
    not the spects.

    No matter way you say Nintendo will always come
    up with soming that will drive sceptical people crazy… Because Nintendo is a
    true innovation comapgny and not a follower…

    Nintendo 3DS had also a slow start in 2011 and in
    2013-14 it becase the most susseful sysem ..it is selling like hot
    cakes..
    Doom sayers were predicting a bad future or the 3DS and look a it
    today …it’s the best system saleswise on earth!

    Nintendo will never surrender! Nintendo
    Power!

    #12 1 year ago
  13. Fin

    Most important part of all this, as others have said, is that no multi-platform dev has disputed anything in the article.
    Also, and this might sound a bit harsh, the devs mentioned are all quite small. It’s quite different making what’s effectively an indie title vs AAA with global multiplayer.

    @6

    That’s not actually the case – hardware manufacturers often give most help to the most successful third parties – look at how Microsoft treats Call of Duty compared to its own franchises.
    Internally, first party teams might have a better working relationship with hardware manufacturer support teams, but they tend not to be treated any differently once third parties have information parity (other than having better access to senior management to make feature requests).

    @11

    “I’d rather listen to a third party making an exclusive for the Wii U about the difficulty of making games for the Wii U than “anonymous”. ”

    Er, if one of those is going to be biased, as it’s in their interested to keep Nintendo happy, take a guess at which one it is?

    @12

    “Do you know that Wii U is selling better than XBOX One”

    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-01-13-xbox-360-was-the-uks-best-selling-home-console-in-2013

    #13 1 year ago
  14. GamerWho

    @salarta I didn’t as I don’t think it is possible to confirm something implicitly. Perhaps you inferred it as it sounds like you wanted some way of disparaging the Wii U.

    #14 1 year ago
  15. salarta

    @14: I’ll admit I’m pretty biased against Nintendo these days. I feel like I largely wasted my money on the Wii until 2012 when games like The Last Story and Xenoblade came out here, I had no real games to play for the 3DS until Link Between Worlds came along two and a half years later, and I’m opposed to Nintendo’s approach to video games in general (cheap gimmicks as a replacement for being up to date with competitors, heavily controlling about what content is allowed on the console, etc).

    However, I don’t think this was an excuse to disparage the Wii U. Maybe I’ll look back on it and see it that way in retrospect, but as far as I see it, I simply saw a glaring detail mentioned in the article and pointed it out for others to notice. Implicitly means it’s not something stated outright, but something that is implied (so, the definition of implicit). A dev saying it’s as difficult to make a game for Wii U as making a game for last gen is essentially also saying that it’s not as difficult as making a game for PS4 or XBox One, which slots it in among the last gen consoles.

    #15 1 year ago

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    Steam Machines will finally become a reality before the end of the year. Valve’s living room PC systems will release in November, the company announced today. Well, I say Valve’s – the idea behind Steam Machines is that a number of manufacturers will offer variously priced systems. Alienware and Falcon Northwest are among the dozen […]

  • Telltale veterans form new team, announce teen thriller Oxenfree

    Oxenfree is a supernatural teen thriller from some of the team behind Telltale Games’ award-winning adventures. New indie Night School Studios unveiled Oxenfree at GDC 2015. It tells the story of a group of friends who accidentally open a “ghostly rift” at an overnight party on the coast. Night School, which is made up of […]

  • PS4 global sales now stand at over 20.2 million

    The PS4 has sold 20.2 million units worldwide. Sony announced the new PS4 sales milestone at GDC 2015 today. It’s a hell of an achievement and salt in the wounds for Microsoft, which hasn’t updated us on Xbox One sales since it shipped “almost” 10 million back in November last year, and has fallen back […]

  • PS4 VR headset Morpheus out in 2016, capable of 120 FPS – video

    Sony’s VR headset Project Morpheus has some impressive grunt. Virtual reality and Morpheus were the heart of Sony’s GDC 2015 presentation today, ahead of its newly announced first-half 2016 comemrcial launch. SCE Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida detailed the headset’s impressive capabilities, notably the fact that it can handle 120 FPS VR games. The PS4 […]

  • Papo & Yo developer making a VR game about dinosaurs

    Some days you write a headline and it makes you so happy that that you have to do a little chair dance, you know what I mean? Papo & Yo developer Minority Media, whom I would personally go to the wall for after they cut out my heart and stomped on it via the medium […]

  • Wasteland 2, Shovel Knight and more in big ole bunch of indies coming to Xbox One

    Xbox One owners are about to receive a pile of great new indie games. At GDC 2015, Microsoft revealed a list of new indie games headed to Xbox One. Some of these titles have already released on other platforms, so it looks like Microsoft has really relaxed the parity clause of ID@Xbox – or perhaps […]

  • Here’s an indie VR game made with Unreal Engine 4

    GDC 2015 is blowing up with indie games, VR and Unreal Engine 4, so here’s a video combining all three. Loading Human is a virtual reality adventure from indie developer Untold Games. It’s in the works for Mac and PC, and Sony has given an early green light for Project Morpheus, too, so expect it […]

  • GTA Online: Daily Objectives and Adversary Mode coming next week

    Heists aren’t the only thing coming to GTA Online next week: players can also expect Adversary Modes, new Daily Objectives and other Freemode activities. GTA Online’s Adversary Modes are new PvP modes which feature a range of competitive challenges and will unlock as players progress through Heists. Here’s a rundown straight from Rockstar: Come Out […]

  • Syndicate is the latest free game download on Origin

    The latest free title to be added to EA’s Origin service is 1993′s Syndicate. For a limited time, you can download the game for free and keep it, much like previous titles such as Theme Hospital. The isometric, real-time, tactical-action game was developed by Bullfrog Productions and released in June 1993. It is a favorite […]

  • Ancient Labyrinth DLC for Lords of the Fallen now available

    The Ancient Labyrinth DLC for Lords of the Fallen is now available for PC, PlayStation 4, and Xbox One. It will run you $7.99 and builds upon the existing lore, characters, and storyline. Have a look at some new screenshots in the gallery below.

  • Shadowrun Online gets a name change and release date

    Shadowrun Online developer Cliffhanger Productions has announced the game’s name has been changed to Shadowrun Chronicles: Boston Lockdown and a release date for April has been set. The new title was formed via the developer and its Kickstarter backers, with the goal being to let those unfamiliar with the game know by the title alone […]

  • Amazon hosting Rockstar and 2K Games sale

    Amazon is hosting a Rockstar Games and 2K Games sale with discounts Max Payne titles, Bully and more. Here’s just some of the offerings listed: Manhunt 2 PC Download $3.00 Max Payne 3 PC Download $4.00 Bully: Scholarship Edition PC Download $3.00 LA Noire Xbox 360 $2.95 L.A. Noire: The Complete Edition PC Download $6.00 […]

  • Destiny weekly reset video shows off Inferno Crucible gameplay

    We have a gameplay video featuring Inferno Crucible gameplay featured in the Destiny weekly reset for you. In it, Arekkz Gaming gives you a look at Inferno Crucible and goes over the various intricacies. You can read up on the weekly reset through the links.

  • Resident Evil: Revelations 2 Episode 2 available from today

    Episode 2 for Resident Evil: Revelations 2 is now available. If you’ve purchased the Complete Season, you’ll be able to download Episode 2 on PS3, PS4 and Xbox One. Steam players should see the episode go live around 9-10pm PST, and Xbox 360 owners should be able to download very early tomorrow morning, per Capcom […]

  • Here’s a sneak peek video for Warhammer: End Times – Vermintide

    Fatshark Games has released a sneak peek video for its upcoming Games Workshop title, Warhammer: End Times – Vermintide. Vermintide is a FPS, co-op action title coming to PC, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, and its set during the End Times of the Warhammer universe in the city of Ubersreik. Warhammer: End Times – Vermintide […]

  • Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare video shows Ascendance DLC early access weapon

    As you know, Xbox Season Pass holders now have early access to the Ascendance DLC Pack bonus weapons for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare. Now you can watch a trailer for the weapon. The OHM directed energy hybrid weapon can switch between an LMG and Shotgun “on the fly,” and it also includes the OHM-Werewolf […]

  • March PS Plus games include OlliOlli 2, Oddworld: New ‘n’ Tasty, more

    March PlayStation Plus titles have popped up on the PS Plus page. Noticed by NeoGAF user skynidas, the titles include: OlliOlli2 (PS4/VITA) Valiant Hearts: The Great War (PS4) Oddworld: New ‘n’ Tasty (PS4) Counterspy (PS4/PS3) Papo & Yo (PS3) Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishment (PS3) A notice has also been posted on the EU PS […]

  • Sci-fi horror game Caffeine will release on Xbox One, PS4 alongside PC – new trailer

    Caffeine creator Dylan Browne has announced the Unreal Engine 4 game will be released on Xbox One. The game will be published through Microsoft’s Indie Program. As previously announced, it is also coming to PC and and now PlayStation 4. Caffeine is a sci-fi horror game which stars a young boy who has been abandoned […]

  • Xbox 360 Preview program invites going out this month

    Much like the Xbox One Preview program, starting early this month, invites for the Xbox 360 Preview program will start rolling out. Select invitees will be able to join program directly from their Xbox 360. A special Xbox Live message will be sent, directing users to head over to their Settings page. Further instructions are […]

  • Tron: Legacy director in negotiations for Gran Turismo film

    Tron: Legacy director Joseph Kosinski is said to be in early negotiations to direct the Gran Turismo film. This is according to the Hollywood Reporter, which states Michael De Luca is still slated as one of the producers alongside Matt Milam, Dana Brunetti, Josh Bratman, DeVon Franklin and Elizabeth Cantillon. Plot details are still unknown […]

  • Fifth add-on pack for Alien: Isolation is available for download

    The Trigger, which is is the fifth add-on pack for Alien: Isolation, is available to download from today. In it, players will “compete against the clock” across three new maps in Survivor Mode. Set before the events of the main game, players step into the shoes of Sevastopol Station’s Ricardo who will do what he […]

  • HBO Go app now available on PlayStation 4

    Sony has announced the HBO Go app will be made available for download later today for PlayStation 4. The app works just like the PS version. Now you can watch True Detective, Game of Thrones, Veep and more through your console. Information on installation is available through the PS Blog.

  • Skyrim mods no longer restricted to 100MB in size

    Bethesda has announced a beta for Creation Kit update 1.9.33, lifts the 100MB size restriction for Skyrim mod makers. The beta is for both Skyrim’s PC launcher and the Creation Kit which will allow for unlimited file sizes. Here are the notes: Creation Kit 1.9.33 Update Creation Kit now supports unlimited file sizes for mods […]

  • Mad Max release date set for September, PS3 and Xbox 360 versions canned

    Mad Max from Just Cause developer Avalanche Studios has been given a September release date, along with the new of a last-gen cancellation. The axing of the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 versions were announced via Game Informer. Mad Max is the magazine’s featured game for the April issue. Avalanche, according GI, nixed development on […]

  • MGS 5: The Phantom Pain out in September, Kojima “closing the loop” on saga

    Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain will be released in September, according to an IGN Italy video, which also features Hideo Kojima discussing “With Metal Gear Solid 5, I’m finally “closing the loop” on the Metal Gear saga. The video has since been removed, but an image cap of the date is posted above. […]

  • Forza Horizon 2 Rockstar Energy Car Pack now available

    The Rockstar Energy Car Pack for Forza Horizon 2 for Xbox One is available now, alongside the free car for March. The free car is the Acura Integra Type-R, and the Rockstar pack included the following vehicles: 2014 Volkswagen Beetle GRC 2015 Subaru WRX STI 1996 BMW 850CSi 2015 Jaguar XFR-S 1970 Volkswagen #1107 Desert […]

  • 3DS firmware update kills web browser exploit

    Nintendo has issued a 3DS firmware update which fixes a web browser exploit that was being used to run pirated Game Boy Color ROMs since January as well as inject code within downloadable games. Another piece of code, per Eurogamer, changed the setting on the handheld to make it region-free. The exploit was only available […]

  • Unreal Tournament video shows updated textures on Outpost 23

    The latest footage from Epic’s new Unreal Tournament has surfaced, and it shows off the game’s first high-textured map which is called Outpost 23. As you can see from Zaccubus’ video, its the same are which Epic showed in the flythrough video from last year, only with updated textures and some new areas outside. The […]

  • Final add-on for Sunset Overdrive arrives in April

    The final add-on for Sunset Overdrive, Dawn of the Rise of the Fallen Machines, will be released in April. On April 1 to be exact. No, that’s not an April Fool’s joke from Insomniac Games either. Below, you can watch a fist-look at the new story, area, and traversal mechanic.

  • Heroes of the Storm playable at EGX Rezzed

    Heroes of the Storm will be playable at EGX Rezzed. This will be the first UK public hands-on with the online team brawler. Blizzard will also host giveaways and friendly tournaments at its stand. Tickets for all three days of Rezzed are still available, and you can purchase a pass through the official website. EGX […]

  • PES 2015 Data Pack 4 coming next week with Winter Transfers, new faces

    Data Pack 4 for Pro Evolution Soccer 2015 has been dated, and it updates the game with Winter Transfers, new player faces, and additional stadiums. The latest free update contains real-time player transfers made within the January window, and player ratings have also been updated. Additionally, a number of improved likenesses to key players will […]

  • Here’s the changelog for Dragon Age: Inquisition Patch 5

    Notes for upcoming Patch 5 for Dragon Age: Inquisition have been posted, noting improvements to gameplay and stability, and the new features outlined back in early February. Along with the new party storage system added to the Undercroft at Skyhold, players also have the ability to adjust the size of subtitles. Below you will find […]

  • Game of Thrones, Mortal Kombat X, Batman mobile games on the way

    Warner Bros. has announced free-to-play mobile titles spanning its DC Comics, Mortal Kombat and Game of Thrones properties. The following five new games under development are: Mortal Kombat X from NetherRealm Studios: The game blends fighting and card collection with cinematic gameplay and Fatalities. Play as both classic and fighters, and if you own the […]

  • Win! Beta access to new MMORPG Skyforge and DLC worth $70

    We have ten Wrath of the Gods Founders Packs to giveaway for new RPG Skyforge, worth over $70. All you need to do to win a Wrath of the Gods pack is enter your details in the form below and we’ll pick 10 winners at random on Thursday, March 5, after 3pm GMT. Skyforge is […]

  • PC gaming expected to be worth $35 billion by 2018

    PC gaming is alive and well. In fact, it’s expected to be worth $35 billion by 2018. According to game-business group Open Gaming Alliance, the PC gaming industry is expected to grow beyond its current $26 billion worth and to a massive $35 billion by the year 2018. The information is based on data collected […]

  • Advanced Warfare: new patch adds new weapon, Master Prestige ranks, more

    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare has received a new patch that gives season pass holders early access to a new weapon and everyone else a myriad of fixes and additions. The patch went live today on Xbox 360 and Xbox One, without any official notes. CharlieIntel reports that among the new additions is the new […]

  • Destiny’s end game and raids explained

    Destiny’s end game can be a bit obtuse to those not used to MMO games. Fear not, we’ve got a few quick tips on how to crack it. Arekkz Gaming has a video for new players of Destiny or those who are looking to brush up on their knowledge of the game. Today’s theme is […]

  • Capcom adds local co-op to Resident Evil: Revelations 2 on PC

    Following fan outrage over lack of local co-op support for the PC version of Resident Evil: Revelations 2, Capcom has now added it. Resident Evil: Revelations 2 now officially supports split-screen local co-op in both campaign and raid mode. The update is currently in beta on Steam, but anyone can opt-in to try it. Capcom […]

  • New Destiny glitch spawns infinite Thralls on Earth

    Destiny’s latest glitch spawns infinite Thralls to help fuel your bounty hunting and loot lust. The glitch is simple to replicate. You’ll need to start The Dark Within mission on Earth, on any difficulty. Then follow the steps in the video below (Via DualShockers) to get to an area out of the map. You’ll then […]

  • Battlefield 4 Winter Patch is here with new game mode, netcode improvements and more

    DICE has released the Winter Patch for Battlefield 4. The patch brings an eSports focus with new game mode Squad Obliteration and plenty more. Battlefield 4 Winter Patch is now live on all platforms. It’s just over 400MB on PC and 1.34GB on consoles. The patch adds new game mode Squad Obliteration and more customisation […]