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NPD November: PS4 takes top hardware, software honours

Thursday, 12th December 2013 23:21 GMT By Brenna Hillier

PlayStation 4 was the best-selling console of November 2013 at US retail, although the Xbox One had the honour of fastest-selling.

NPD November 2013

Hardware, accessories and total spend up year-on-year, but software significantly down.

Best month for hardware sales on record.

PS4 best-selling hardware and software of November.

Xbox One fastest-selling console of November with 909,132 units sold.

Wii U sales increased by over 340% thanks to Super Mario 3D World.

3DS sold 770,000 units for the month, bringing its lifetime to nearly 10.5 million units.

November NPD sales are regularly inflated by Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales. This year is particularly rich thanks to the launch of two new consoles.

October’s figures.

November 2012′s figures.

Next-gen console wars

As expected, the NPD’s November report showed the PS4 on top as the best-selling console of the month; it launched in North America on November 15, giving it a full week’s advantage over the Xbox One, which went on sale on November 22.

Sony also took out best-selling platform on the software side.

“PlayStation 4 sales in North America and worldwide have been incredibly strong since launch, culminating in PS4 being recognized as the largest console launch in history. In North America alone, more than one million PS4 units were sold in only 24 hours and we’re pleased NPD has reported that PS4 was the top selling next gen platform for both hardware and software in November,” SCE America CEO Jack Tretton said in a press release.

“We are humbled by the passion and excitement demonstrated by gamers for PS4. Demand continues to overwhelm supply, but we’re working hard to get PS4 units into the hands of customers throughout the holiday season.”

At last count, the PS4 had sold 2.1 million units in total. Sony released the video below to thank gamers for the successful launch.

Microsoft responded with word of its own “record-breaking sales” of the Xbox One, which has sold through more than 2 million units worldwide to date.

909,132 Xbox One units were sold in the US during November – the console’s first nine days on sale – which Microsoft claims makes it the fastest selling console on the market in the US. With an average of more than 101,000 consoles per day, the Xbox One ‘significantly outpaced the nearest competitor’; the PS4, as mentioned above, had an extra week on sale to reach its own sales totals.

The Xbox One sold almost three times as many units as the Xbox 360 during its own launch month, Microsoft added, and Xbox One owners picked up on average 2.1 games each.

The company said total Xbox One and Xbox 360 platform spend – hardware, software and accessories – reached $1.21 billion, the most for any console. The two platforms combined held five of the top ten spots on the console software charts

The Xbox 360 remained the king of the previous generation with 674,000 sales.

Nintendo hardware system sales for November increased by 100% over the month prior, with 770,000 units the 3DS family sold, driving the lifetime total past 10 million to nearly 10.5 million units.

Wii U sales increased by more than 340% over sales in October, thanks to sales of Super Mario 3D World.

NPD analyst Liam Callahan said that November 2013 was the best month on record for hardware sales in the US.

Retail software sales in decline despite next-gen, holiday sales

Unfortunately, it’s not all good news. Although hardware spiked massively, and the total industry spend increased, software sales did not see a significant uptick in November despite two hardware launches and the free-for-all of the Thanksgiving holiday sales days.

Total spend increase 7% year-on-year to $2.74 billion. Hardware increase 57% year-on-year to $1.327 billion. Accessories jumped 17% year-on-year to $327.4 million. Software, meanwhile, was down 24% year-on-year to $1.1 billion – even including PC and portable sales.

The 3DS was the only platform to note significant software sales increases, with a 15% year-on-year increase thanks to The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds – which sold over 280,000 combined digital and physical units (405,000 units when including the Zelda-themed 3DS XL) – and other recent successes.

According to Nintendo, Pokémon X and Pokémon Y each sold more than 225,000 combined digital and physical units in during November, bringing the combined life-to-date total to more than 2.35 million units.

Nintendo said that a handful of its first-party 3DS titles saw “triple-digit sales percentage increases in November over sales in October,” including: Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D in its seventh month on market -140% increase; and Luigi’s Mansion: Dark Moon in its ninth month with a 105% increase.

Legacy titles such as Paper Mario: Sticker Star, in its 13th month saw a 280% increase; Mario Kart 7 in its 23rd month saw a 130% increase; and Nintendo noted a 253% increase in sales of Super Mario 3D Land, now in its 24th month of availability.

“According to November 2013 NPD Data, NBA 2K14 was the best-selling sports video game on next generation consoles, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, and was the number four best-selling next-gen game overall,” said NPD analyst Liam Callahan.

Software

Here’s the full top ten software chart for US retail in the month of November.

  1. Call of Duty: Ghosts (PC, PS3, PS4, Wii U, X360, XBO)
  2. Battlefield 4 (PC, PS#, PS4, X360, XBO)
  3. Assassin’s Creed 4: Black Flag (PC, PS3, PS4, Wii U, X360, XBO)
  4. Madden NFL 25 (PS3, PS4, X360, XBO)
  5. Grand Theft Auto 5 (PS3, X360)
  6. NBA 2K14 (PC, PS3, PS4, X360, XBO)
  7. Skylanders Swap Force (3DS, PS3, PS3, Wii, Wii U, X360, XBO)
  8. Just Dance 2014 (PS3, PS4, Wii, Wii U, X360, XBO)
  9. Disney Infinity (3DS, PS3, Wii, Wii U, X360)
  10. FIFA 14 (PS3, PS4, Vita, X360, XBO)

As ever, remember that the NPD Group’s reports cover traditional retail only, and do not account for digital sales, many online retailers, used game sales, mobile, DLC or microtransactions, all of which represent an increasingly significant proportion of the industry’s total revenue.

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88 Comments

  1. Dark

    What a shitty and boring top 10

    and no Super Mario 3D World?
    oh well , https://i.minus.com/jGaQucTPke8KB.jpg

    #1 9 months ago
  2. Legendaryboss

    @1
    Next Gen has taken over, Mario isn’t surprising and that list is something seen too many times.

    #2 9 months ago
  3. XanderZane

    Numbers aren’t that surprising. PS4 launched first and has a full week more in sales, so it was obvious they would have more sales. Both consoles sold very well in the short time period. This is great news as developers will be even more eager to make more games now. I feel back for the Wii U though. Their sales weren’t very good. PS4 and XB1 will surpass the Wii U sales by the end of January at this rate.

    #3 9 months ago
  4. Dark

    @2 sad but true.

    #4 9 months ago
  5. Legendaryboss

    Sports, Family Fun, Open World Gaming, Pirates, Wolf Ghosts and Dogfield 4. Basically what the US are interested in for their chrismas gaming season.

    Well it is lacking in variety for my taste. But is clearly something for everyone.

    #5 9 months ago
  6. polygem

    sad that there’s no mario and no zelda. 2 of the best games i have played this year (especially link between worlds is so damn good. edit: it’s actually even among my most favourite games of all time and probably my favourite zelda game. the pacing is perfect. there’s always something to do and explore, you always feel like making progress. the flow is just right, the music and artdesign are absolutely amazing. i’d buy a 3ds only for this game hands down).

    gaming became more and more mainstream in the last 10/15 years. vg charts now become like the book charts, movie charts, music charts…the true gems are very rarely to be found in the top positions.

    #6 9 months ago
  7. monkeygourmet

    That is a shitty, shitty list if you like games.

    @6

    Agreed 100%

    Its getting to the point that It’s not something I would want to be associated with…

    I never used to be ashamed about saying I was a ‘gamer’ till now! O_o

    #7 9 months ago
  8. Legendaryboss

    @6/7
    Stop being so gloomy and cheer up, can’t be that difficult with the massive hard on you guys got going on with gaming with Mario and Zelda :D

    And the love letters :)

    If anything you should be cheerful.

    #8 9 months ago
  9. polygem

    @7: i must admit that i am also one of those who bought bf4 and cod.

    but only because, i didn’t buy a shooter since halo 4 and because they forced me to, of course. they said the nextgen will be superfun and that i must buy into it instantly and then, as they had me by the balls, they only released sequels of top ten videogamecharts games.

    #9 9 months ago
  10. Christopher Jack

    Of course the Xbox One was the faster seller after day 1. Sony can’t sell what they physically don’t have in stock. Either way I’m a little surprised how well both have been selling but remain disappointed in so many aspects that I haven’t considered getting either in the future.

    #10 9 months ago
  11. monkeygourmet

    @9

    Off course, it’s still nice to have a shooter / racing game / whatever (I have BF4, NFS etc…). The difference is, you understand there are other options out there.

    It seems like a dangerous amount of people thinking gaming as a whole, is defined by Angry Birds, COD and FIFA… That’s kind of screwy.

    #11 9 months ago
  12. G1GAHURTZ

    Here you go. Some news for you Ninty guys, too…

    http://www.joystiq.com/2013/12/12/november-npd-ps4-is-top-selling-console-xbox-one-is-fastest/#continued

    “Update: Not to be outdone, Nintendo had their own numbers to boast. Thanks to the release of Super Mario 3D World on Wii U and The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds on 3DS, sales of Nintendo hardware systems in November leapt “by 100 percent over the month prior,” Nintendo has announced. After selling “nearly 770,000 units of the Nintendo 3DS family” in November, the handheld has surpassed a lifetime total of units sold to almost 10.5 million.

    Wii U hardware sales increased “by more than 340 percent over sales in October,” the company noted, but offered no sales data for the hardware. Super Mario 3D World “sold more than 215,000 combined digital and physical units in its first eight days on the market,” Nintendo added.”

    #12 9 months ago
  13. Clupula

    Someone else did the math and figured out that the Wii U sold 220k in November, going by October’s sales and the 340% figure.

    In the meantime, that delusional 9 million sales number Iwata projected for the system…was that supposed to be lifetime sales at 9,000,000 by the end of the fiscal year or was it supposed to be just 9 million NEW sales between March 2013 and March 2014?

    #13 9 months ago
  14. Clupula

    As for Mario 3D selling only 215,000…that’s way lower than I thought it would have done. I really thought it would have been the best selling game on the Wii U, but instead, it’s like NISA JRPG numbers, especially if Nintendo are combining digital sales to get that number.

    I really can’t believe it did that poorly. I didn’t think it was going to sell systems, but I thought it’d be a huge game among people who already did own a Wii U.

    #14 9 months ago
  15. Telepathic.Geometry

    What does it say about me as a gamer that I haven’t the slightest interest in any of those top 10 games? If I got Ass Creed IV or Just Dance for free I’d probably play them. Well, maybe. But the rest? No chance…

    #15 9 months ago
  16. Dragon

    @Clupula,
    “was that supposed to be lifetime sales at 9,000,000 by the end of the fiscal year or was it supposed to be just 9 million NEW sales between March 2013 and March 2014?”
    Doesn’t matter, its delusional either way.

    “Wii U hardware sales increased “by more than 340 percent over sales in October,”

    No wonder ninty avoided giving hard numbers. 215k is downright abysmal with holiday boost+mario.

    _____________________
    “What does it say about me as a gamer that I haven’t the slightest interest in any of those top 10 games?”
    Nothing. People have different choices. Obviously, same goes for people who have interest in those top 10 games.

    #16 9 months ago
  17. shogunknight

    You guys do know that your favorite games dont really have to be Top 10 right? As long as they are doing well, its fine. I love Tearaway for example :(

    #17 9 months ago
  18. The_Red

    Mario 3D’s 215k is “Physical AND digital” combined which is beyond troubling.

    I don’t think ANY big company has ever done that. To me this is exactly like when Nintendo used to cover 3dS’ (bad) early sales by focusing on “DS Family” rather than separate systems.

    Still, glad to see both new systems are doing great even without any great software. Hopefully by the time Titanfall and InFamous come out, both will have decent install bases.

    #18 9 months ago
  19. xxxGamesMasterxxx

    Its a real shame about mario. Brilliant game but the console is a fail. Still at least they are not losing money hand over fist like Sony.

    #19 9 months ago
  20. Joe Musashi

    Truly a shame about Mario figures. And a notable event for anyone that claims to care.

    The constant deflection of accountability from Nintendo onto anyone or anything is sheer denial, however. Those eager to give credit to Nintendo for other’s achievements tend to be the same to lay blame to others for Nintendo’s mistakes. It’s always the other guy.

    So people aren’t aware of ‘other options’ and, consequently, didn’t buy Mario? Where was the all-out Mario marketing blitz then. Perhaps there should have been one. Especially when you choose to release your game at the busiest time of the year in one of the most significant years the industry has seen for 8 years. People aren’t going to choose ‘other options’ if they’re not aware of them.

    I also think that if we take this community as a microcosm of the gaming community as a whole, that’s also representative of Nintendo’s current situation.

    For example: For argument’s sake, let’s conservatively say there’s 50 regular members of the community that comment. Of those 50 there’s around 10 that represent True Nintendo Believers. Or 20%.

    So, even using intimately close, real-world evidence, evidence of free will, of actions free of cost, the Nintendo demographic is sitting around 20% of the community.

    You can extrapolate that if you like, though I don’t think it’s necessary. And I don’t think it changes the significance of what it means.

    You can’t force those figures to change. And you the same people saying the same things, however passionately and selectively, doesn’t have any meaningful impact.

    But the evidence is there (or rather, here) plain as day. Protesting against reality and concocting excuses as to why reality is wrong doesn’t appear to have any effect.

    JM

    #20 9 months ago
  21. G1GAHURTZ

    The first console (not computer) I ever owned was a Gameboy. Then a NES, then a SNES, then an N64.

    I loved almost everything about Nintendo, growing up, and since then, there were times that I wanted them to be my favourite game company again.

    That’s what I wanted, but they were more interested in going for children, and ‘soccer moms’.

    I think that there are many people on this website, and in the wider public in general, who like Nintendo. They just haven’t been offered anything that isn’t done better elsewhere, these days.

    I remember when I was at uni, and I first got Ocarina of Time. It really was the best game I’d ever played. After I put the cart in for the first time, I played it about 6-8 hours a day, until I finished it in less than a week.

    There was another guy who had an N64 in the same building as me, and he had an N64, too. I was raving about the game, and telling him it was the best game the world has ever seen, etc, so he got it too.

    I went to his dorm a couple of times, and he was playing it, with another student, sitting and watching. But no matter how hard I tried to hype him up about it (and he did like it) it just didn’t fit the student lifestyle.

    The guy next to him was pretty bored looking. Watching him walk around and around in circles, in a dungeon, wondering where to go.

    I think they just went back to playing PS1 or GoldenEye, without even finishing it.

    I think that this is the problem that Nintendo have.

    Their games may be amazing, but gaming isn’t what it used to be, and gamers aren’t what they used to be, either.

    The Wii U was aimed at gamers, and they just don’t have the ’5 minute blast of raw action’ titles that people look for these days.

    OoT was amazing. It just didn’t fit the student lifestyle.

    Just like Mario, etc, may be amazing. They just don’t fit what gamers are looking for, these days.

    Where is a Mario FPS? That might sell a few more consoles…

    #21 9 months ago
  22. mistermogul

    Can someone explain how “909,132 Xbox One units sold in the first nine days on sale makes it the fastest selling console…” when Sony sold 1 million in 24 hours?

    Something doesn’t add up for me with all these figures. Also if Sony have “beaten” MS in November sales, I find it strange they have not boasted exact figures…?

    #22 9 months ago
  23. Zeydlitz

    I think I know what it is: Xbox One ousold PS4 at last week (obviously, first week for Xbox are better than second for PS4). But this hadycap is going to end soon.

    #23 9 months ago
  24. polygem

    @: Joe: But 20% of a market this healthy, is still pretty alright. If you can sell games and hardware and do not loose cash on hardware that’s all good business. that’s my point all the time. you do not need to be in top position to be a healthy company. let me link this article again, because imho it just nails it:

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-11-11-the-massive-nintendo-paradigm-shift

    this is why we’re having the same nintendo discussion over and over again. people seem to believe it’s all about winning, about selling more than the competition. sure, i get the idea behind that, that’s kind of how the (stock)market works but you can play in the middle field and be a superhealthy competitor too.
    to me as a consumer it’s important that a company whose games i enjoy is financially stable. this way they can spit out more games that i enjoy. i don’t worry about nintendo in this regard and there’s no reason for it. 2013 was a great year from a consumers perspective. as a consumer i want to play great games. some of the very best i have played this year have been on nintendo platforms. the 3ds had an amazing year for example.

    @G1GA: i hear you but i think mario 3d world and the new zelda are both extremely modern interpretations of these franchises. especially the new zelda game can now be enjoyed by the guy you described there AND a series vet. it’s pretty amazing what they did there and because of stuff like this i am rather opimistic. imho nintendo are on a very good way and i think iwata has done a great job now. this is why i totally disagree with the ‘fire iwata faction’. to me many wii titles felt too old school, too much ninty of old. there have been great games for that system but many of them felt, while innovative, a bit outdated. in my experience this is drastically changing now. to me that is a very good sign.

    i am very optimistic about nintendos future and there are good reasons for that. to the peeps calling this delusional – again, scratch the surface, get a perspective, take that blinders off…maybe you are the ones being a bit delusional and one dimensional in this scenario.

    #24 9 months ago
  25. Legendaryboss

    OMG, how long will this take again?

    #25 9 months ago
  26. polygem

    @g1ga:

    “Where is a Mario FPS? That might sell a few more consoles…”

    i don’t think it would fit mario too well but they could definitely do something modern online shooterwise with the metroid series. i doubt it though. they need more time to figure out how to do that without hurting the franchise :) nintendo are the turtles of this industry, old, slow, a bit weird looking but wise. they can also cross severall oceans if they want to deliver some quality eggs to a beach near you. let’s just hope that all the sharks wont kill it.

    #26 9 months ago
  27. mistermogul

    @24 – Good points there poly. 200k units for Wii U isn’t bad and much better than I was expecting tbh. Like you say it’s more important to remain profitable than it is to be number 1…

    I also agree Iwata shouldn’t be sacked though at the same time think he is missing out on some massive opportunities.

    For example digital sold over $1 billion in November for the first time, yet Nintendo lag so far behind in that respect. Also why on earth do they not have their entire back catalogue on Wii U/3DS eshop already?

    “Where is a Mario FPS?”

    I can see it now – there would be a great arsenal of weapons including a water pistol, laser gun, sucker arrows and Nerf darts! lol

    #27 9 months ago
  28. polygem

    @25: really depends on how much you gif and take, poke and sting.

    #28 9 months ago
  29. polygem

    @27: i absolutely agree about the digital business. i don’t understand what takes them so long. it’s indeed a massive opportunity.

    #29 9 months ago
  30. G1GAHURTZ

    @26:

    They could do a Mario shooter in the Nintendo style… Like Mario Kart is a racer in the Nintendo style.

    Shooting fireballs, red and green shells, B-bombs and even Bullet Bill could see a game that’s more like a Smash Brothers, fun type of affair, than a serious shooter.

    I think people would take notice of that much more than ‘Newer New Super Mario 3D World Land Wii U 2′.

    #30 9 months ago
  31. Legendaryboss

    @28
    That would hold so much more water

    IF A. Gifs were actually present here.
    And B. If you didn’t just openly say (24) if people didn’t agree with your sentiment they are “maybe delusional” and “one dimensional.”

    #31 9 months ago
  32. polygem

    @30: yea, sounds fun :)

    by the way: i think nintendo still shouldn’t jump into the fight for the most powerfull hardware. for their next machine they should focus on exactly that: their one machine. this way they do not have to split teams that need to deliver content for two devices. they could achieve a steady flow of quality content, making that thing a true nintendobox that doesn’t need to rely on third party anymore. if you price it right lots of people would buy it as a companion device for their pc’s and/ or homeconsoles. i can see that happening more than a superpowerfull nintendo homeconsole. that hybrid handheld/homeconsole thingy makes more and more sense to me.

    #32 9 months ago
  33. polygem

    @31: no, i have zero problems with people disagreeing with me if i think their argumentation is making sense.

    #33 9 months ago
  34. Legendaryboss

    If you say so.

    #34 9 months ago
  35. Stephany Nunneley

    Ok added Nintendo figures in there now that we have the email – even though you all have apparently already seen them (looks at previous comments :p)

    #35 9 months ago
  36. Joe Musashi

    “It’s not about winning”

    Fair enough. Seems like a silly thing to say in a discussion that centers around competitive markets and charts based on unit sales. Cute sentiment, entirely wrong place to express it – entirely out of touch with reality.

    Also that Gamesindustry.biz article that True Believers are so fond of linking to is written around the idea that the industry doesn’t understand Nintendo and the industry needs to accomodate to Nintendo’s way of doing things.

    No. That’s not how industry works or has ever worked. Adapt or die.

    JM

    #36 9 months ago
  37. Dragon

    @JM,
    +1.

    I wonder how much that one article is going to be flagged around. Not really surprising since hardly anyone wrote outdated articles like that again.

    Adapt or die

    #37 9 months ago
  38. RussellGorall

    I am going to make an opinion on the Internet, then sign my initials at the end. Anyone not having the same mindset as me regarding possible opinions is wrong.

    RG

    #38 9 months ago
  39. monkeygourmet

    Once again it’s turned into Nintendo Vs. Sony & MS… What a surprise.

    What is more sad is the fact that this list shows the main consoles don’t matter as much anymore. There are no console exclusives, third party has ‘won’. COD / FIFA wins, and that’s never a good thing.

    Also the ‘adapt or die’ thing. You could argue Nintendo does that a fair bit. The Wii being an example of them finding new markets for better or worse.

    I have a feeling what is actually meant by the term in a hardware sense is:

    ‘Do what Apple have done…’ (Or thereabouts)

    In software it means:

    ‘Do anything you can to not piss off Acti / EA / Ubisoft…’

    #39 9 months ago
  40. monkeygourmet

    Basically, EA / Ubi / Acti are just showing console manufacturers who is really in charge.

    “Don’t bite the hand that feeds you… Look what’s happened to Nintendo… We are in charge…”

    Edit!

    In my opinion! :) although, you can tell they are all power crazed…

    What happens as soon as you give one of these companies the potential for a personalised digital platform (PC)?

    UPlay
    Origin
    Battlenet

    Consoles are just a means of delivery, and those days are numbered.

    #40 9 months ago
  41. Legendaryboss

    Weekend resurgence!

    #41 9 months ago
  42. Legendaryboss

    http://nintendoeverything.com/november-2013-npd-call-of-duty-ghosts-wii-u-accounts-for-less-than-1-of-games-total-sales/

    #42 9 months ago
  43. monkeygourmet

    @42

    How is that even suprising?

    Unless people are buying copies of the game on Wii U for a console they don’t own, it’s pretty obvious the sales of the title were going to be atrocious.

    Wii U doesn’t have the install base to create better sales. As i’ve mentioned before, the problem even goes beyond that… You try actually tracking down a Wii U game in the flesh. Last I heard Wii U physical software was going to be added to the ‘big 5′…

    #43 9 months ago
  44. Ireland Michael

    The shift from first party to third party has been the case for a while now, and that’s mainly because the PS3 and Xbox 360 are the first consoles since the SNES and Mega Drive where the playing feel has been evenly balanced.

    Games are so expensive to develop now that the large companies can’t afford to be platform exclusive when both consoles have a (roughly) equal share of the market. That’s half your consumer base right there.

    The Wii U is pretty much irrelevant in the equation, no matter how many good games come out on it. That ship isn’t sinking – it’s already resting at the bottom of the ocean.

    #44 9 months ago
  45. Legendaryboss

    @43
    It is and at the same time it isn’t.

    On one hand you got the tiring repetition of “Nintendo hardware is only purchased for Nintendo games” and third party software sales compared to Nintys reinforces that notion.

    On the other hand PS4 & Xbox One individually haven’t passed Wii U’s global sales (yet) but have more third party games coming for it, sales for software are better on both ends and the um install base doesn’t usually factor into game sales.

    #45 9 months ago
  46. monkeygourmet

    @45

    All Im saying is it’s irrelevant to the Wii U now (for better or worse).

    It was handled poorly from the start from devs and Nintendo themselves and it isn’t going to get any better from here on out. Third party support is dead on Wii U, but thats not a huge suprise considering it’s poor for almost all Nintendo consoles.

    Where was Bioshock, Tomb Raider etc… People are more willing to change (remember the lure of gamerscore) if the games coming out are new… Not 1 year old Batman games / Mass Effect 3 (were’s 1 & 2) etc…

    My point being (this isn’t market analysis btw, more analysing who needs who and whos in charge), these charts show who is making alot of money…

    No Mario? No Zelda? Yeah, whatever, to be expected… BUT…

    Also, no Killzone, no Last of Us, no Beyond two Souls, no Forza, no exclusives ATALL…

    On ANY system…

    That is more telling to me. Acti / EA / Ubi now dictate how things work and who gets what bit of exclusive content. And thats worrying as a uge company like EA’s ‘vision’ of gaming means as much to me as Simon Cowells idea of music…

    Edit:

    Also, just for fun…

    The Number 1 & 2 slots are taken by two titles that have been panned… One for being a weak entry in an already stale series, the other for being released early and being bug ridden.

    Do people care? Well, look at the chart… Of course they don’t. And THATS whats worrying my friend. More worrying than whatever Nintendo is or isn’t managing to achieve with their home console! :)

    #46 9 months ago
  47. Legendaryboss

    @46
    So the short version of what your saying is your afraid of the third party apocalypse that is apparently dominating, leaving no exclusives from other companies in sight. Thus slowly decreasing their power.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

    #47 9 months ago
  48. monkeygourmet

    @Ireland Michael

    And who wanted ‘parity’ the most?

    It would have been the biggest thing on EA / Acti / Ubi’s list, along with ease of digital delivery…

    #48 9 months ago
  49. polygem

    @36:

    *Adapt or die*

    that’s -again- an extremely one dimensional way to look at this and overall a deeply flawed logic.

    but if we stay with this weird darwinesque terminology (totally out of place “in a discussion that centers around competitive markets and charts based on unit sales” btw but whatever, sounds flashy i guess and makes you look smart for some dragons, fools and snakes), one could argue that this means it’s not about winning at all but about surviving which then means nintendo pretty much fulfilled these demands the last 30+ years, which then perfectly proves my point.

    #49 9 months ago
  50. monkeygourmet

    @47

    Ha! Im only observing the material / figures I have been presented with at the top of the page! :)

    Vita is another good example. Great machine, but third party devs can’t extract money from it hence the stranglehold.

    These aren’t ‘good’ things in my opinion.

    It’s not a case of ‘adapt or die’… ‘Obey or die’ would be more fitting I think! ;)

    Also, Im not saying ‘Don’t buy these titles’. Im just saying they are the gaming equivelant of ‘fast food’. Enjoy them but at least be aware of the effect they may be having in the grand scheme of things.

    McDonalds ‘healthy choice’ PR stunt was eerily similar to MS’s turn around recently. And, in both cases were hollow gestures.

    #50 9 months ago
  51. Ireland Michael

    The state of the Vita honestly depresses me, because I can’t put the bloody thing down right now.

    #51 9 months ago
  52. monkeygourmet

    @51

    And that’s why it’s nice to enjoy it and support it now! :)

    Rather than right it off then ‘discover’ it again in about 5 years and think:

    “Why didn’t I do this before?! It’s awesome!” ;)

    #52 9 months ago
  53. Ireland Michael

    Tearaway is probably my game of the year.

    #53 9 months ago
  54. polygem

    @51: see, that’s me and the wiiu and 3ds atm :)

    i like the vita as well though but as an overall experience including games, ui, miiverse etc. the wiiu is such a fantastic experience. it’s depressing that gamers do not pick it up.

    #54 9 months ago
  55. polygem

    btw…are there any news about the slim vita release for europe? i’m really interested in that thing because it seems to have a better battery life, feels better in the hands and works with any mini usb charger. most reviews said that the lcd display isn’t as hot as the oled but still very good.

    edit: @53: i still have to play that one but i’m not a huge fan of the lbp games. you should also check out link between worlds. it really is among the best games i have ever played. loving everything about it and i’m not the biggest zelda fan in the world.

    #55 9 months ago
  56. Ireland Michael

    The Wii U is great. The hardware is great. And the games are great.

    But its hard to ignore the reality of the situation. That ship is sunk.

    @55 I think you’re shooting yourself in the foot going for the slim. The battery life thing is barely an issue thanks to the charger, and the difference is screen quality is really, really noticeable up close. Its night and day, and the current Vita screen is sooooooo gorgeous. You can get the chargers for like a fiver.

    Seriously, just get it.

    Link Between Worlds is definitely on my list in the new year. Christmas is expensive. =P

    #56 9 months ago
  57. Legendaryboss

    @51/54
    http://gifatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/get_a_room.gif

    http://ijusthaveafewnotes.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/not_even_sorry.gif?w=696

    I had to.

    #57 9 months ago
  58. polygem

    @57: no, you hadn’t.

    #58 9 months ago
  59. Legendaryboss

    @59
    I did. Shouldn’t that be “no you didn’t?”

    #59 9 months ago
  60. Ireland Michael

    @57 Sorry for enjoying games.

    #60 9 months ago
  61. polygem

    i already have a vita but i’d really like that i wouldn’t have to use a different charger for the slim but could just use the one for my phone. i watched some reviews of the slim and they all said the lcd looks pretty good too. i’m actually not so keen on these things on my handhelds, to me better battery life, comfort and weight are much more important but overall i’m just looking for reasons to buy one because a friend has my vita atm and loves it because he has young kids and therefore not so much dedicated gaming time. this way he could buy it from me and i could buy a new one :)

    #61 9 months ago
  62. polygem

    @lb: man, with you, i’d wish i could have a talk in person…because i just don’t get how you tick.

    #62 9 months ago
  63. Legendaryboss

    @60
    I should note it was a joke.

    @62
    Well i think its no more different than me typing to you…. Wait? Trust me i’m not as charming in real life as on here but thats part of my charm ;) Well a percentage of my true nature is in my posts.

    #63 9 months ago
  64. polygem

    ^”Well a percentage of my true nature is in my posts.”

    i’m 100% myself in my posts – maybe that’s why…

    #64 9 months ago
  65. Ireland Michael

    @63 It starts to wear slightly thin after the 50,000,000th or so GIF. You could just *say* it.

    #65 9 months ago
  66. Legendaryboss

    @65
    I could say it. I could sing it. I could gif it. I could rap it. There are many options all with the same result.

    #66 9 months ago
  67. monkeygourmet

    What’s even more fantastic about this chart, is it gives the marketing teams involved a big ‘pat on the back’ for selling the same shit to you for another year running!

    That’s, what… About 4 years on the trot that the charts have probably looked almost identical? Bravo! It’s what people want after all, let’s make more of the same!

    And, this, to me is where the ‘vote with your wallet’ argument falls flat. If a huge number of people don’t even understand what they are voting ‘for’ (or more interestingly ‘against’), the charts will rarely change bar the odd Rockstar release here or there.

    #67 9 months ago
  68. polygem

    @66: well i’d actually prefer if you’d rap it tbh!

    #68 9 months ago
  69. Ireland Michael

    @67 Game charts have been like that for well over a decade.

    @68 I vote for this idea as well.

    #69 9 months ago
  70. monkeygourmet

    @69

    But the machine is so well oiled now.

    It’s the equivalent to the first X Factor winner (one album then gone) compared to now (where they get the book deal, clothing range, exercise Bluray, reality show/film etc…)

    That’s the big change that’s only possible when a marketing team understand how to manipulate through blanket media coverage.

    AAA game
    DLC
    Micro transactions
    Film
    Viral video / advertising
    Clothing line
    Tie in book / TV series
    Merchandise
    Graphic Novel
    Facebook game
    iPhone app spin off

    All for one title! And they wonder why game development costs go up?! :)

    That’s the problem.

    #70 9 months ago
  71. Joe Musashi

    Adapt or die is industry mantra. Do one or face the other.

    This desperate pretence that there is some cartel of third parties pulling the strings is, yet again, deflection to make another entity accountable for Nintendo’s own missteps rather than Nintendo themselves. Far better to form another conspiracy theory than to see what is in black and white.

    The simpler truth is that hardware manufacturers need third party support more than vice versa, and always have. How many platforms in this industry have profitted and sustained marketshare and growth without third party support?

    ‘Adapt or die’ doesn’t need to be multi-dimensional. It is a universal truth.

    Arguing against standards/reality/truth/history whenever it doesn’t favour Nintendo is just exhibiting screwed up view where everything revolves around Nintendo and anything that doesn’t align is wrong. Voting with your wallet is fine when it puts Nintendo in a good position. Voting with your wallet is suddenly some sort of broken concept when it doesn’t.

    JM

    #71 9 months ago
  72. monkeygourmet

    @71

    I’ve already highlighted it’s partly Nintendo’s attitude.

    Nice selective cherry picking once again though, you’ll have a bumper crop, make a nice pie.

    Also, I don’t follow. One minute it’s a conspiracy theory, then it’s the simple truth..? Not sure what your getting at there, apart from trying to pigeonhole people.

    #72 9 months ago
  73. Joe Musashi

    Two different things. One is another conspiracy theory, the other is a simple/universal truth.

    That you appear to be unable to make a distinction between one or another doesn’t really put you in a good position when attempting to pick apart other’s statements or accuse others of pigeonholing.

    JM

    #73 9 months ago
  74. Clupula

    Having conversations with me on here is very close to what having conversations with me in real life is like. Just with less frequent motion and bursts into song.

    #74 9 months ago
  75. monkeygourmet

    @73

    You said (conspiracy theory) : “This desperate pretence that there is some cartel of third parties pulling the strings…”

    Then (simple truth): “hardware manufacturers need third party support more than vice versa…”

    They are basically the same premise. One is more ‘needy’ thus giving power to the other party, in this case the third party devs.

    Hence why we see ‘special relationships’ (EA / MS etc…). EA, Acti et all are selling the ‘guns’ to both waring factions. There is no ‘conspiracy theory’ (although I know you like using that tactic in an attempt to discredit).

    #75 9 months ago
  76. RussellGorall

    You guys realize that you aren’t being paid for your analysis of things? You are just on the Internet.

    #76 9 months ago
  77. polygem

    …yeah, it’s for the fun you know

    #77 9 months ago
  78. polygem

    @joe: you are talking in superlatives again but it still doesn’t make much sense. you are blowing things out of proportion, spin and deform posts of others, shaping them to your liking, trying so very hard (desperate) to be the smartest guy in the class. you’re very talented with that but it’s a nasty little habit and i really think you know what i am talking about if you look at your real life social interactions.
    adapt or die. you say nintendo do not adapt. are they dead? no. do you really believe that they will be dead anytime soon because of the wiiu?
    you are trying to teach me about a reality check?
    you’re genuinely saying that your adapt or die argument regarding nintendo is the ‘universal truth’? it really shows why discussing anything with you never makes sense. your truth is the only truth anyway. always.

    #78 9 months ago
  79. polygem

    but fuck it.
    shaking hands.
    this is only about games :)
    we’re all one big family of nerds.
    signing off.

    #79 9 months ago
  80. Joe Musashi

    Nope. No need for superlatives. Nobody’s blowing things out of proportion (though 4.5million units in 3 months is something that needs to remain in cold perspective, let’s not forget that). Just simple statements. No need to use melodramatic dismissals like “hater” or even “butthurt”. No need to spin, lie, deflect and dismiss or do anything I can to distract from the point being made in some childish effort to redirect a discussion away from topics that don’t suit some narrow agenda. No need to concoct conspiracy theories to excuse my favourite brand’s perfect storm of blunders and mis-steps. No need to exhibit hypocrisy and relentless double-standards time after time after time.

    In fact, maintaining a consistent perspective and a lucid grip on reality is the one thing I aim to maintain. It’s always bemusing to see how such a practice irks and ruffles the feathers of others and the theatrical efforts they’ll go to suggest make-believe and wish-fulfillment are the conerstones of a credible argument.

    They’re not, of course. They never have been and they never will be. Ever. And that’s not an opinion.

    JM

    #80 9 months ago
  81. monkeygourmet

    ^

    Conceited much?

    What ‘Irks and ruffles feathers’ is the fact that 99% of the time, your contributions take the guise of nit picking and over analysing people’s comments rather than spending time contributing something personnal or helpful to the topic.

    #81 9 months ago
  82. Joe Musashi

    Conceited? No.

    Conceited is when someone boasts how they started commenting to ‘correct the levels of pro-[brandname] sentiment’ they witnessed in the community.

    Conceited is when you threaten to ban someone even though you haven’t the means or influence to do so.

    Conceited is when, after disgustingly attacking and abusing another member of the community, you repeatedly show pride in such behaviour whenever it is brought up.

    Conceited is approving all of the above and having such little perspective that you attempt to foist that same label onto others.

    Conceited is doing all of the above and acting like you’re a better person for doing so.

    Conceited is thinking nobody hasn’t noticed all this already.

    JM

    #82 9 months ago
  83. monkeygourmet

    @82

    You seem overly keen to not actually direct anything at anyone in particular, instead relying on people having to pick through your accusations and decipher them.

    I take it this is because it has got you into trouble previously, although I obviously can’t be sure of that. I’ve seen many posts where you have picked apart nearly everyone on here with gleeful relish; G1GA, Michael, Pat et all…

    You just choose your target then move on and you have the gall to call others out on agenda…

    #83 9 months ago
  84. Joe Musashi

    My statements are perfectly clear. They are examples of conceit.

    The problem about constantly reading between the lines is that you do so at the expense of reading the lines themselves. Favouring personal bias over what is written in black and white. Again.

    JM

    #84 9 months ago
  85. monkeygourmet

    @82

    I didn’t see any of that when I was writing my previous comment, but again, if you want to play Batman on a forum, you are going to have to start naming people or what’s the point?

    It’s not like you are observing in silence, you are trying to be a vigilante, yet refusing to actually get to the meat of it. All the while being as selective as ever I might add.

    Priding yourself on observing others actions (although your own actions are purposefully directed)…

    Either complain to Pat or tackle things by naming people. I don’t think you can risk that though, you know exactly how venomous you can be when you lose it.

    #85 9 months ago
  86. Joe Musashi

    “..if you want to play Batman..”

    Again, you are injecting your misinterpretation of something and then arguing as though somebody else actually said it.

    Also, you are in no position to dictate to others on matters of conduct. Despite your pretence, you are not a moderator, you are not an authority and you do not even set a standard of conduct that could even be used as an example for others to follow. Far from it.

    See #82 if you require further detail.

    JM

    #86 9 months ago
  87. monkeygourmet

    @86

    Okay, okay, I’m sorry if I misinterpreted your actions.

    Please explain, what are you doing again?

    #87 9 months ago
  88. Ireland Michael

    @83 Just to pipe up, but that hasn’t happened between him and I in years. I don’t know if it’s because he got tired of it, or if he just grew up and let go. I don’t really give it much thought. I try to respect him regardless of that crap. I’m just grateful he doesn’t still do it.

    He’ll stop if you learn not to punch back. He knows he can get a rise out of you. I don’t believe in turning a cheek to abuse, but on the internet it’s usually the best approach. If you just ignored his somewhat crazy rants it would stop pretty fast. Just ignore each other.

    You’re cool polygem, but you gotta let shit go.

    #88 9 months ago

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