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Xbox One 24 hour check-in, used policies, more dropped

Wednesday, 19th June 2013 21:18 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

Microsoft has confirmed “certain polices” pertaining to its DRM control with Xbox One have been changed, such as 24-hour check-ins, “no limitations” to using and sharing disc-based games, and more. Full report below.

After trying to push the benefits of its new policies announced with the console such as the aforementioned, and causing all sorts of arguments on the Internet, the firm actually reversed its some of its polices – something I have never, personally, seen a company do in such a capacity.

The retraction heard around the world

Microsoft made the following changes pertaining to its Xbox One policies this afternoon:

  • An internet connection will not be required to play offline Xbox One games – After a one-time system set-up with a new Xbox One, you can play any disc based game without ever connecting online again. There is no 24 hour connection requirement and you can take your Xbox One anywhere you want and play your games, just like on Xbox 360.
  • Trade-in, lend, resell, gift, and rent disc based games just like you do today – There will be no limitations to using and sharing games, it will work just as it does today on Xbox 360.
  • In addition to buying a disc from a retailer, you can also download games from Xbox Live on day of release. If you choose to download your games, you will be able to play them offline just like you do today. Xbox One games will be playable on any Xbox One console — there will be no regional restrictions.
  • These changes will impact some of the scenarios we previously announced for Xbox One. The sharing of games will work as it does today, you will simply share the disc. Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

Don Mattrick, president of the interactive entertainment business at Microsoft also issued a statement, saying the firm took into consideration all the feedback it has received on its Xbox One policies, stating said feedback assisted the firm with reshaping “the future of Xbox One.”

“Last week at E3, the excitement, creativity and future of our industry was on display for a global audience,” reads the statement from Mattrick.

“For us, the future comes in the form of Xbox One, a system designed to be the best place to play games this year and for many years to come. As is our heritage with Xbox, we designed a system that could take full advantage of advances in technology in order to deliver a breakthrough in game play and entertainment. We imagined a new set of benefits such as easier roaming, family sharing, and new ways to try and buy games. We believe in the benefits of a connected, digital future.

“Since unveiling our plans for Xbox One, my team and I have heard directly from many of you, read your comments and listened to your feedback. I would like to take the opportunity today to thank you for your assistance in helping us to reshape the future of Xbox One.

“You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world.

“So, today I am announcing the following changes to Xbox One and how you can play, share, lend, and resell your games exactly as you do today on Xbox 360. We appreciate your passion, support and willingness to challenge the assumptions of digital licensing and connectivity. While we believe that the majority of people will play games online and access the cloud for both games and entertainment, we will give consumers the choice of both physical and digital content. We have listened and we have heard loud and clear from your feedback that you want the best of both worlds.

“Thank you again for your candid feedback. Our team remains committed to listening, taking feedback and delivering a great product for you later this year.”

Changes in the works for quite some time

Microsoft’s DRM policies have apparently been in the works for a while according to Xbox corporate VP Marc Whitten. According to a statement given to Polygon which we reported here, Whitten said the firm wanted the consumer to know the “complete story” before it made an announcement regarding policy changes.

“What we wanted to do was tell our complete story,” Whitten said . “We knew our complete story was partially told at the Xbox One unveil and partially told at E3. We wanted to put our story out there and show the great games we have coming. We did that and people gave us a ton of feedback.”

Still, even with the changes, players will still have to be connected online for the cloud features to work, so if your game uses the cloud, you will have to be online to play it.

“We want and expect most people to take advantage of those things, but we also want to give people the choice that they can play offline,” Whitten said. “These are our policies and we are really excited about them. By adding them we have shown that we are definitely listening,” he said.

Speaking to IGN a little later, Whitten confirmed that players will still need to install games; have a Kinect plugged in; and download a day-one update to use their new consoles.

Retail delighted

Major gaming retail chain GameStop, which makes a significant portion of its revenue from the used games market, has expressed delight in the news.

“This is great news for gamers and we applaud Microsoft for understanding consumers and the importance of the pre-owned market,” a representative said.

The chain’s shares rose 6% following Microsoft’s announcement.

Rental service GameFly is equally pleased.

“Today is a win/win for consumers, as well as GameFly. I think choice is always important and now consumers have more choice. And I give [Microsoft] credit for listening to their consumers,” co-founder Sean Spector said.

Original report

An earlier report from Giant Bomb stated the announcement of these changes would be come sometime today, and that the firm would be dropping the 24-hour check ins, region locking, always online requirements, and that additional restrictions on trading games or loaning discs would be dropped.

Of course the caveat – and there’s always one or two – is you can no longer share digital titles with friends or family. And while its nice the system won’t be region locked, some games manufacturers may still put regional restrictions on games, much like with Xbox 360 currently.

Xbox One is out this November.

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358 Comments

  1. Pytox

    lol still kinect spy cam in your house then

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Razor

    Huuuuuuuge news if true.

    And of course the right decision.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. Max Payne

    http://9gag.com/gag/azbbbgx?ref=fbp

    #3 2 years ago
  4. ps3fanboy

    OMG!… i feel a hearth attack coming….

    #4 2 years ago
  5. sg1974

    What Hifi? Wtf?!

    No compulsory internet? But what about the infinite power of the cloud?

    @4 Is that where you get hit by a coal scuttle?

    #5 2 years ago
  6. onlineatron

    booyah i’ll be able to spend more money I don’t have on consoles and cool games !!!

    #6 2 years ago
  7. KineticCalvaria

    And now I’m interested again…

    #7 2 years ago
  8. Aullah

    Not sure if serious…

    #8 2 years ago
  9. MCTJim

    Really?, living in the states, i have heard nothing of this as of yet, but if its true its a win win for everyone.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. G1GAHURTZ

    Power to the people!

    #10 2 years ago
  11. Razor

    Tis tue. From GAF:

    http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa

    Obviously MS not put up the actual update page yet. But it’s happening.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. DSB

    That’s a lot sooner than I expected. Maybe Microsoft does read the news after all?

    Looks like the Xbone is back to being a viable candidate.

    Strike up another win for the “vocal minority”.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. CyberMarco

    Still, couldn’t give a flying f*ck about it.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. salarta

    I haven’t been able to pull up the GiantBomb report either. My first instinct, if nobody can produce a screenshot or anything like that, is to immediately question if it’s just a faked link someone made down the line to make people believe what they’re saying.

    I currently don’t see Microsoft implementing this, because they’ve already said they intend to have the games completely install onto the hard drive. It would be a very, very, VERY wise move on their part to backtrack from all the insanely anti-consumer measures they’ve instituted, but I don’t see them doing so. Though an easy way to handle physical disc access to content that’s all downloaded onto the hard drive is to require the disc to be inserted for verification.

    Also if this does happen to turn out to be true, I hope not too many people cancel their PS4 preorders just because Microsoft heard them out. Too many people dropping their preorders would send a message that being the first one to take a stand and do the right thing (well, as much of taking a stand as doing the same thing they’ve always done is) is suddenly worthless if someone else starts doing it.

    #14 2 years ago
  15. G1GAHURTZ

    I like the way Giant Bomb has gone down, but not What Hifi!

    lol!

    #15 2 years ago
  16. DocCylon

    That seems like such a vast set of changes it seems impossible for something that has been in development for 3+ years. Eat my hat etc…

    #16 2 years ago
  17. MCTJim

    I just got their page up and it takes forever to load.

    #17 2 years ago
  18. Ireland Michael

    Holy shit, people complaining actually WORKS?!

    *dies of complete shock*

    If this is true, and there are no restrictions on the sharing of my games, I will definitely be picking one within the next year or two. Project Spark looks absolutely phenomenal.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. dkpunk

    And with that ms is back in the lead.

    #19 2 years ago
  20. MCTJim

    for those who cant see it:

    Microsoft to Pull Complete Reversal on Xbox One DRM Policies

    The tug-of-war between Microsoft and Sony just got more interesting. Multiple sources inform me Microsoft will announce what amounts to a complete reversal on its DRM policies for Xbox One today.

    What does this mean?

    • No more always online requirement
    • The console no longer has to check in every 24 hours
    • All game discs will work on Xbox One as they do on Xbox 360
    • An Internet connection is only required when initially setting up the console
    • All downloaded games will function the same when online or offline
    • No additional restrictions on trading games or loaning discs
    • Region locks have been dropped

    It is unclear what caused this huge change in policy right after E3, a week where Microsoft executives spent days explaining, justifying, and talking about its policies to the press. I suspect Microsoft’s official announcement will say something to the effect of “we’ve been closely listening to consumer feedback.”

    Based on what I’m being told, that’s definitely true. I’ve reached out to Microsoft for comment.

    giantbomb.com

    #20 2 years ago
  21. Aullah

    I guess MS received the preorder infos…

    #21 2 years ago
  22. sg1974

    Not another public humiliation? What a week!

    Right decision. Most gamers will move on and forget about it.

    #22 2 years ago
  23. MCTJim

    IF I hear of the official announcement, then I will post the link.

    #23 2 years ago
  24. Talkar

    If this is true, i might be interested in one as a secondary console.

    #24 2 years ago
  25. sg1974

    Update on June 19, 2013: As a result of feedback from the Xbox community, we have changed certain policies for Xbox One reflected in this blog. Some of this information is no longer accurate — please check *here* for the latest [link doesn't work...].

    Q: Does Xbox One require an “always on” Internet connection?
    A: No, it does not have to be always connected, but Xbox One does require a connection to the Internet. We’re designing Xbox One to be your all-in-one entertainment system that is connected to the cloud and always ready. We are also designing it so you can play games and watch Blu-ray movies and live TV if you lose your connection.

    Continues with the original info…/

    They need to get that link working with what has changed…

    #25 2 years ago
  26. G1GAHURTZ

    Doesn’t really change anything for me, but at least I should have a few more n00bs to pwn online…

    #26 2 years ago
  27. pukem0n

    well, the people that would buy this would increase by 100000%

    from 5 people to 50 million

    #27 2 years ago
  28. DSB

    I was expecting them to do it shortly before launch. They’d be looking at the numbers and wondering if they truly wanted to cripple themselves for the better part of a generation, and only then make the neccessary decisions.

    Great move though, back in the game for sure.

    #28 2 years ago
  29. laughing-gravy

    Ha ha! A bunch of monkeys could run a company better.

    #29 2 years ago
  30. reask

    So now we have 1 difference between both consoles if true.
    100 bucks.
    I mean PS have gone and done the gold thing so if MS drop 50 bucks off the 1 it could be a game changer as they showed the most new ips at e3.

    #30 2 years ago
  31. CyberMarco

    @25

    Yeah, clear as mud…

    #31 2 years ago
  32. FeaturePreacher

    If this is true, then they surrendered faster than I expected. Now, the only step is to get rid of kinect and put in a headset and reduce the price by $10For those who think developers are just greedy, take a look at where denying developers fair compensation could lead to.

    #32 2 years ago
  33. abdooltk

    I WANT THIS HAPPEN ,BUT I THINK THIS NOT TRUE……….

    #33 2 years ago
  34. ps3fanboy

    REMOVE FORCED PS+ PAY2PLAY ONLINE SONY!… DOOOOO IT NOAW FAST!!1 OR WE LOOSE ALL THE CUSTOMERS THAT JUMPED SHIP!!

    #34 2 years ago
  35. laughing-gravy

    Can’t connect to Xbox wire.

    #35 2 years ago
  36. sg1974

    @33 It’s on their site that the policies are changing. http://news.xbox.com/2013/05/qa

    #36 2 years ago
  37. CyberMarco

    @34

    Damage control!?!?!?

    #37 2 years ago
  38. Khan979

    Good, Now if this is definately true, then I’ll be getting both systems again this generation.

    #38 2 years ago
  39. Lengendaryboss

    So Xbox One is back on gamers radars?

    #39 2 years ago
  40. reask

    And even PS3manboy is panicked with this. :D

    #40 2 years ago
  41. Joe Anderson

    Seems MS saw the pre-orders favouring Sony and done a U Turn. Not so arrogant now, eh MS?

    #41 2 years ago
  42. DSB

    It’s just incredible the shit that’s been said though. It’s almost exactly like watching Sony last gen, with the “4D graphics” and the “people don’t care about online”.

    Sell it Don Mattrick

    That’s one for the history books, kids.

    #42 2 years ago
  43. zinc

    So just like that, DRM gone…

    Which shows how easy it’ll be for them to put it back, once they’ve got their install base high enough…

    ;)

    #43 2 years ago
  44. sg1974

    @40 $500 vs $400 still says hi. But nice try shifting focus away from one of the biggest corporate humiliations in history. ;)

    #44 2 years ago
  45. CyberMarco

    @43

    So much for trying to deliver next-gen experiences with the power of teh Cloud…

    #45 2 years ago
  46. G1GAHURTZ

    Now they have a huge mission to get the information out there.

    I can imagine that there will still be people, even after launch, thinking that the X1 still has a 24 hour check in, because it’s been out there for so long.

    #46 2 years ago
  47. reask

    @44
    I actually said it in post 30 that a 50 buck reduction now will give them the edge as sony has now gone pay to play.

    #47 2 years ago
  48. Max Payne

    For me biggest problem is still always on kinect.

    #48 2 years ago
  49. Kabby

    Subject of Jim Sterling’s next video confirmed.

    #49 2 years ago
  50. Erthazus

    I don’t understand how this decision was made so fast, this just makes MS like incompetent guys.

    I remember that at E3 they said that everything ws designed around Online.

    But this is actually great. I think they saw Sony making fun of them and consumers just went apeshit about it.

    where is G1GANOOB, telling everyone about the power of teh CLOUD and that because of that TITAN IS POSSIBLE ONLOY ON XBONE!111 WHERE HE IS!

    #50 2 years ago
  51. Cort

    But the infinite power of the cloud! Won’t someone please think of the infinite power of the cloud!

    #51 2 years ago
  52. Patrick Garratt

    This is unprecedented stuff. Incredible scenes.

    #52 2 years ago
  53. DSB

    @50 Dude.

    1. Company makes huge mistakes with one of their products
    2. Company vehemently defends product, and tells everybody there could be no other way for that product to exist
    3. Customers run the fuck away
    4. Company caves and admits to spreading copious amounts of bullshit

    This sounds oddly familiar… Hmmmm… Oh yeah, Simcity 5!

    #53 2 years ago
  54. G1GAHURTZ

    No region locks?

    Sweet!

    #54 2 years ago
  55. CyberMarco

    If this isn’t damage control, then I don’t know what is…

    @51

    Yeah, after teh Cell, now we have teh Cloud!

    #55 2 years ago
  56. reask

    The mad thing about all these screw ups is that the 1 has been the talking point for months now and whilst this is a major climb down 6 months from launch is not going to impact on it.

    #56 2 years ago
  57. grizzlycake

    This is great news!

    #57 2 years ago
  58. monkeygourmet

    Still a USA Fox box, not touching with a barge pole.

    Not bought that easily when other / better options are available.

    #58 2 years ago
  59. Beta

    It would have been idiotic for them not to do this. Though it’s a little surprising considering how strongly they’ve been supporting their DRM policy since E3.

    We now have a more level playing field it seems.

    #59 2 years ago
  60. G1GAHURTZ

    I could be wrong, but I’m pretty certain that none of this actually means that anyone is going to be playing Titanfall offline.

    Wait…

    No. I think I’m sure about this one.

    Nobody will be playing Titanfall, or any other online only game, offline…

    #60 2 years ago
  61. DSB

    @60 Let’s wait until the launch when the servers drown in their own melting silicon due to (watch it happen) “unexpectedly high loads”.

    People will learn. Shit will change.

    #61 2 years ago
  62. shaolinsword

    It’s good to see that MS have finally noticed how much they’ve fucked up but seeing as they’ve shown that the left hand doesn’t know what the right is doing I still won’t be buying one

    #62 2 years ago
  63. zinc

    Peter Moore obviously went round Don’s house & beat him sensible.

    #63 2 years ago
  64. pukem0n

    why are some people complaining here?

    you complain if they force internet always on, and you complain if they see their own mistakes and change it?

    make up your mind kids

    #64 2 years ago
  65. CyberMarco

    So it’s indeed confirmed or what? Still the xbox wire page isn’t loading.

    At least now we can say we have a balanced competition…

    #65 2 years ago
  66. reask

    In all fairness 61 launches will have problems of that there is no doubt.
    BF4 says hello.

    #66 2 years ago
  67. Stephany Nunneley

    I cannot get Xbox Wire to load so I can confirm this with my own eyes. If any of you can (the link is in the post) send me a screengrab . Thanks.

    #67 2 years ago
  68. monkeygourmet

    @64

    Because this was just one of many reasons to dislike MS’s big fat spyware advertising box.

    This is the equivalent of throwing the consumer a bone… An X Bone if you will…

    #68 2 years ago
  69. OwningXylophone

    Boom, official.

    http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

    Edit: Removed the wall of text as the official statement is now on the post.

    #69 2 years ago
  70. DSB

    @66 Expensive, embarrassing launches tend to turn people off.

    EA can’t do it. Activision can’t do it. Ubisoft can’t do it. But Microsoft can?

    Ubisoft had to fuck up about 5-6 of their games on PC until their marketshare withered away, even then it took them entirely too long to learn and leave “the cloud” for dead.

    #70 2 years ago
  71. sg1974

    Coming soon:

    Internet connection is not mandatory. But all XBox One games must now use the cloud. So…

    #71 2 years ago
  72. salarta

    @67: When I try to load the XBox Wire, there’s no body text giving such an announcement. There’s pictures and such, sure, but none of what everyone’s saying. I’ll try to get it up again for a screenshot.

    EDIT: It’s working now, wasn’t earlier.

    #72 2 years ago
  73. G1GAHURTZ

    @64:

    Fanboys. Don’t expect them to change any time soon.

    They just have one reason less to hate, now.

    #73 2 years ago
  74. reask

    Hey Giga looks like I may be looking u up on 1 after all.
    Another noob for ya. :D

    #74 2 years ago
  75. sg1974

    Fanboys.

    http://www.vg247.com/forum/topic.php?id=14969

    #75 2 years ago
  76. OwningXylophone

    So it seems the 10 person sharing has gone too… For shame.

    #76 2 years ago
  77. Razor

    Remarkable.

    #77 2 years ago
  78. JB

    I still can`t belive so many defended these policies in the first place… Good move on Microsoft`s part if it turns out to be 100% true.

    I might gonna get one of them there Xbox-Done`s at some point, I`m still hoping they`ll make one without Kinect.

    #78 2 years ago
  79. laughing-gravy

    The circus definitely has come to town!

    #79 2 years ago
  80. salarta

    @67 (Steph): http://i.imgur.com/znAMFdu.jpg

    Though you don’t need that anymore since the site is working, and details everything in the link it gives.

    #80 2 years ago
  81. Patrick Garratt

    Full statement’s in there now.

    #81 2 years ago
  82. sg1974

    @80 That’s the original info. The new info is at the link in the first para, but it leads nowhere at the moment.

    #82 2 years ago
  83. G1GAHURTZ

    Downloaded titles cannot be shared or resold. Also, similar to today, playing disc based games will require that the disc be in the tray.

    Pffft.

    I was right about this.

    Not having always online and the digital copy stuff couldn’t really coexist.

    So people who were looking forward to the digital sharing have had to take step backwards now, because of unconnected people.

    Nice.

    #83 2 years ago
  84. monkeygourmet

    Lol, I bet they wish they had spent their R&D money on better GPU / CPU rather than researching DRM and other restrictive methods of consumer control.

    At least they have a shiny 1080p spy cam to show for it with the under powered hardware.

    #84 2 years ago
  85. Patrick Garratt

    Imagine being a fly on the wall in that meeting. “Look. Don.”

    #85 2 years ago
  86. Patrick Garratt

    This is fucking amazing!

    #86 2 years ago
  87. salarta

    @82: Yeah, by the time I got the screencap and all, the site seemed to be working again. I could just take the picture off, I’d actually feel more comfortable doing so, but I figure I may as well leave it since Steph asked for it whether it actually helps anymore or not. :P

    #87 2 years ago
  88. super3001

    stupid fanboy assholes. now we cant share or gift downloadables becsuse of complaints.

    digital is the future

    #88 2 years ago
  89. TheBlackHole

    Actually gutted about this.

    I am one of the (seemingly few) people that thought the changes MS had made were generally really forward looking.

    Ah well, I’ll still be getting an Xbox One.

    #89 2 years ago
  90. Ireland Michael

    @71 The whole “using the cloud” thing to power games is never going to take off, because the games would completely break if all that data was controlled online, and there isn’t an ISP alive capable of handling that much data.

    #90 2 years ago
  91. Gigabomber

    @83 See what the alarmists and fanboys have done for us?

    #91 2 years ago
  92. DSB

    It’s outstanding. It’s like watching a really good boxing match or football game.

    It seemed like one team didn’t really want to win there for a second, and then right before it’s too late, they completely reel it in.

    #92 2 years ago
  93. sg1974

    Some people who defended or excused these policies are complaining that others aren’t giving MS any credit for the humiliating u-turn in dropping them. I know, go figure.

    #93 2 years ago
  94. reask

    @83
    Yeah shame that really but I suppose they had to compromise with the furious backlash.

    #94 2 years ago
  95. Francis O

    Score one for the internet!

    #95 2 years ago
  96. Max Payne

    Neogaf servers crashed LOL

    #96 2 years ago
  97. sg1974

    Remember, short memories. We forgave RRoD. We forgave the PSN hack. We will forgive this.

    I’ll now consider the One when it drops below 300 squids.

    #97 2 years ago
  98. laughing-gravy

    Why the f**k didn’t they do this in the first place? Must of been the Ballmer effect.

    #98 2 years ago
  99. monkeygourmet

    @94

    Or they realised that system was far to complicated and confusing to work in a real life scenario?

    #99 2 years ago
  100. Hcw87

    Sony Fanboys everywhere are crying. This wasn’t a huge surprise at all for me though, doesn’t take much to figure they just couldn’t go through with this. Not sure why people are so surprised by this.

    #100 2 years ago
  101. Stephany Nunneley

    @87 Thank you though! :) This end wasn’t loading, GB was 404ing, Xbox Wire was 404ing and my net went down all at once! Plus I was getting pinged in PM on Twitter – I was about to cry :D

    #101 2 years ago
  102. manamana

    This is the moment I was waiting for: Microsoft in full backpaddeling effect! Great, wont buy it anyway but can see it getting interesting down the road now, oh well, guess the fanboys/forumists/the minority isn’t as small as one will make them.

    #102 2 years ago
  103. Debabrata Nath

    Wow, the voice of the internets is getting stronger than ever. GO TEAM!

    #103 2 years ago
  104. G1GAHURTZ

    @91:

    Yep. Some people just don’t like progress.

    #104 2 years ago
  105. DSB

    Hitler thought the Third Reich and euthanasia was progress. Calling it that, doesn’t make it so.

    #105 2 years ago
  106. reask

    Yeah 99 they screwed up the message full stop.

    #106 2 years ago
  107. JB

    I don`t get why peeps who wants digital only and the sharing stuff can`t have an option for doing just that. I don`t see why you can`t have both ways in this, surely they could make an Xbox-One with no disc drive or something?

    I`m soooo looking forward to hearing Cliff Bleszinski`s take on this ^_^

    #107 2 years ago
  108. pukem0n

    @105

    and the analogy of the year award goes to you, congratulations

    #108 2 years ago
  109. Joe Musashi

    @78 It is, indeed, very curious that Microsoft themselves have u-turned on policies that many consumers preached as a good thing. I think this shows just how hard people will bang the drum for a favoured company, no matter how they behave. The discrete backtracking and distractions played out by some particularly vocal supporters are especially noteworthy. The pretence at neutrality was rarely less convincing.

    It’s especially interesting that Microsoft should change their policies before the unit ships and any impact on actual to-consumer sales have been determined. This suggests that feedback (not from angry gamers online – they will complain about anything anyway) has been extremely strong and from quarters more meaningful than just the end user. Developers, publishers and the retail sector too, no doubt.

    Very curious, given the hyperbolic statements of “record breaking” pre-orders and the like. Don’t believe the hype, huh?

    The speed with which a goliath like Microsoft has reacted is impressive. Though, I’m sure, some will regard it as weakness not to belligerently dig your heels in.

    I wonder, if Sony’s policies hadn’t differed, whether Microsoft would have changed theirs at all?

    Keeping the playing field more even forces all players to up their game. This is great news for the consumer.

    JM

    EDIT: Some extremely telling comments being made in this topic. A lot of premature crowing and preening going on.

    #109 2 years ago
  110. laughing-gravy

    At least they’ve acknowledged the fact that the policies were a total clusterfuck. Still won’t buy one as PS4 has more potential.

    #110 2 years ago
  111. sg1974

    Well one can hardly admit that defending or excusing those ridiculous policies was a stupid thing to do. Best just try to find a way to desperately clutch at a lament for their withdrawal.

    #111 2 years ago
  112. G1GAHURTZ

    Come on, DSB, you’re trying to tell me that sharing games with other people online wasn’t a sweet idea?

    I’d hardly compare that to killing people.

    #112 2 years ago
  113. CyberMarco

    Still it’s 500€ and has a mandatory Kinect/Spycam.

    Not that I was really interested in the console in the first place…

    #113 2 years ago
  114. NeutralBlade

    Well, I seen this coming, as I mentioned such a thing a few times here. Still, as easy as they can undo it, they could put it back. I’m still going to wait because they could relax their stance, then once they have a sufficient install base, re-enable the DRM.

    This is a good start, but everything is still built in. They need to sack the kinect requirement as well, because most fans don’t want it. To all Xbox loyalists and criticizers saying we were whining, this is not your doing, not your win, but it’s shared with you anyway; because you all were so willing to take that DRM up your butts with no complaints. So yeah, we pushed them into submission, so thank us for that.

    Still, I’m going to wait 2 – 3 years before considering a Xbone though, and this just shows you that the people does have power, because we have the dollars; and as the saying goes, money talks, bs walks. My plan to stick with PC gaming, then PS4, and Wii U; and maybe the Xbone down the line, if they don’t try a “gotcha!” on us later. I still don’t trust them, as I said they were going to do this.

    But anyway, Xbots, you’re welcome.

    #114 2 years ago
  115. Max Payne

    That was faster than putting windows start button back in Windows 8.
    I guess there is hope for M$

    #115 2 years ago
  116. sg1974

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law

    #116 2 years ago
  117. Clupula

    You know, isn’t it funny how people were predicting that Microsoft’s policies were going to change Sony’s, and yet it turned out to be the exact opposite situation in the end.

    #117 2 years ago
  118. pcbros

    @29(laughing-gravy):

    1) Didn’t Sony hint on having a similar DRM and internet connection requirement but after the consumers spoke they dropped it?

    2) Didn’t Sony change their online service from free to paid like Microsoft did?

    3) Didn’t Sony copy the exact design of Nintendo’s Wii-mote and nun-chuck (the PS Move)?

    4) Didn’t Sony redesign the triggers and analog sticks on the PS4 controller to be like Microsoft’s?

    5) Didn’t Sony just release a couple of firmwares that bricked the Vita and PS3?

    I think the correct phrase should be, “I rather have monkeys running Microsoft than Sony.”

    The only thing Sony had going was the lack of DRM and online requirements. Now that their advantage has disappeared, Sony is in trouble.

    Besides, inFAMOUS The Second Son and maybe Killzone (which did not impress me at E3, beside nice graphics), I see no real powerful exclusives. The Xbox One has Titanfall, Halo, Garden Warfare, Forza 5, Killer Instinct, Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive (a game from Insomniac, former exclusive PS publisher). Don’t forget cloud based games, Twitch broadcasting on the fly and Skype.

    Microsoft is in a really good position now. No doubt.

    #118 2 years ago
  119. sg1974

    @118 If you spin any harder you will take off.

    #119 2 years ago
  120. laughing-gravy

    @109 Just what I was thinking!

    #120 2 years ago
  121. DSB

    @112 I think it was totally sweet, and you know I wasn’t equating it to killing people. I was equating it to having a foolish agenda and thinking that you’re actually moving things forward.

    Digital is the future. No argument.

    Connectivity is on the rise. No argument.

    We aren’t there yet. In my opinion, no argument.

    Embracing new technology doesn’t mean you just jettison the old. Discs obviously still serve a purpose for a great number of people.

    If they didn’t, then there’s no way Microsoft would’ve caved on this. They go where the money is.

    #121 2 years ago
  122. YoungZer0

    @53:

    “4. Company caves and admits to spreading copious amounts of bullshit

    This sounds oddly familiar… Hmmmm… Oh yeah, Simcity 5!”

    They never caved in and never really admitted to spreading bullshit. The DRM is also still in place. EA learns slow.

    Anyway, looks like Microsoft is back in the game.

    #122 2 years ago
  123. Max Payne

    @118 Sony’s console is cheaper and more powerful and Ps+ is way better value than xbox live.

    #123 2 years ago
  124. G1GAHURTZ

    Hey, troll, sorry to burst your bubble, but I don’t care about MS, how they feel, or how humiliated Don Mattrick and a bunch of overpaid, out of touch, clowns are.

    If I like it, I buy hardware and use it, regardless of the company.

    I hate Apple, but I still have an iPhone and an iPad.

    It’s a shame that fanboys like you simply can’t think that way…

    #124 2 years ago
  125. DSB

    @122 Somewhat true, and people didn’t actually run the fuck away, because EA didn’t allow them to, by refusing to refund.

    But the Maxis community manager openly stated that it would’ve been easy for them to make an offline mode. They just didn’t.

    #125 2 years ago
  126. Ireland Michael

    @112 I’ll take *actual* ownership and the ability to play my games wherever I choose over a needlessly convoluted, stupidly restrictive digital “sharing” system any day,

    #126 2 years ago
  127. laughing-gravy

    @118 Fact: no, no, no, no and no! Clear enough for you?

    #127 2 years ago
  128. Beta

    In any case, this is a big win for customers rights.

    I may buy an Xbox ONE after all now. Not preordering though. Already preordered PS4 and I can’t get both at launch.

    Plus it is very satisfying to see the (usually) arrogant Microsoft eat some humble pie. ;)

    #128 2 years ago
  129. Clupula

    Suck it, Cliffy B.

    I’m still not going to get one unless they really pump up the interesting exclusives. But, it is nice to see that they caved. And it’s even nicer to see that Cliffy has a mouthful of foot this afternoon.

    #129 2 years ago
  130. AHA-Lambda

    I can scarcely believe it :D

    Consumers stood up and didn’t take the shit they were being forced, even with enticing exclusives; they said no.

    This is the fastest backpedaling (and PR disaster) I’ve ever seen and from Microsoft! A company known to be stubborn as a dinosaur. Good job guys :D

    #130 2 years ago
  131. Djoenz

    Amazing power to the people. Im proud to be a gamer :D WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

    #131 2 years ago
  132. sg1974

    @126 Now you’ve done it. Don’t you ever learn? ;)

    #132 2 years ago
  133. Citrus raptor

    Next gen (if there is one) both MS and Sony (if they’re still around) will ask gamers what they want beforehand, and then we’ll get the most watered down console ever.

    #133 2 years ago
  134. G1GAHURTZ

    @DSB:

    But now all that cool stuff is gone. It’s been removed.

    How can it be the future, if every time someone tries to do it, people rage, and say that it can’t happen, because they may want to play their console in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, one day…?

    #134 2 years ago
  135. Ireland Michael

    @132 What? I’m just discussing the subject of the story. O.o

    @134 Clearly a restrictive DRM “future” is *not* what people want. They want actual ownership of their possessions.

    #135 2 years ago
  136. laughing-gravy

    It seems that good sense can prevail.

    #136 2 years ago
  137. G1GAHURTZ

    @126:

    That’s you, but what about the people who wanted it?

    Guess we don’t matter, eh?

    #137 2 years ago
  138. sg1974

    @135 Teasing dude, teasing.

    #138 2 years ago
  139. manamana

    I am so stoked by this ‘gamers spring’ if I might say so. It was our voices and wallets that made this historical move happen. Praise yourselfs gamers and critical journalists! Its our day!

    \o/

    #139 2 years ago
  140. CyberMarco

    @134

    If you want to offer certain features you must take note of the specific demographic interested in the first place.

    As it seems the majority of the consumers/gamers don’t really want that approach. I can’t think what’s the problem with that.

    #140 2 years ago
  141. monkeygourmet

    If they can do a Xbone without Kinect for £349.. Then we can talk!

    #141 2 years ago
  142. Lengendaryboss

    @118
    You know theres something wrong when you list Garden Warfare and a F2P game amongst Xbox intriguing console exclusives/timed exclusives/exclusives to Xbox, the key? look before “exclusive to Xbox”. and also you just named 2 games your opinion of them does not equal others.

    #142 2 years ago
  143. Ireland Michael

    @13

    “That’s you, but what about the people who wanted it?

    Guess we don’t matter, eh?”

    When what “you” want limits other consumers’ rights and their ownership of their products? No.

    #143 2 years ago
  144. Citrus raptor

    @126

    If anything, THIS is screwing over the hardcore fans.

    @143

    So this doesn’t limit other consumers?

    #144 2 years ago
  145. Joe Musashi

    Guys, this doesn’t actually impact the ownership argument. If it did then it wouldn’t actually matter what Microsoft did or didn’t say. What you’re blissfully ignoring (because you’re too wrapped up believing in your romantic ‘power to the people’ ideology) is that it’s Microsoft’s decision, again, that is dictating what’s going on. Not yours.

    Rarely has there been a clearer example of who owns and controls what. And it ain’t you.

    JM

    #145 2 years ago
  146. DSB

    @134 Like you said earlier, the reason for doing it was political. The only way you can do it is if you implement measures that are convincing enough to soothe publisher paranoia.

    Why have an online check every 24 hours for absolutely everyone and their dog, when you can just check immediately when the transfer is requested on one end, and immediately when it’s accepted on the other?

    That should give you plenty of opportunity to cross reference libraries, and check what needs to be checked to avoid abuse.

    Microsoft could still do this, they just have to be smart about it. I’m sure people would welcome it under the right circumstances.

    #146 2 years ago
  147. Aullah

    Im really really SAD. I enjoyed the drama surrounding the xbone. Its a sad day.

    #147 2 years ago
  148. DeVitowned

    Expecting Queefy B to change his ‘tude about used gaming and big budgets while singing all praises for MicroJesus due to them finally ditching the ridiculous DRM. Maybe then he’ll lose the credibility he didn’t even deserve in the first place.

    #148 2 years ago
  149. Lewis247

    We won.. *sobs* We actually won.

    #149 2 years ago
  150. Moonwalker1982

    I bet a shitload of people are happy, but these were points that never mattered ONE bit to me. I’m actually a bit sad now, cause this won’t Family Sharing, and this won’t mean being able to start up games without a disc.

    #150 2 years ago
  151. G1GAHURTZ

    @140:

    Oh well, it doesn’t really matter anymore, because the functionality has gone now.

    Would be nice if they could make it optional, though. Have restrictions for those who want it, so can use the full digital feature set.

    #151 2 years ago
  152. monkeygourmet

    @G1GA

    They could still implement ‘digital sharing’ and other features like this WITHOUT all the other DRM shit, ads and spy cams if they actually wanted too…

    Restrictive DRM and cool sharing features don’t have to go hand in hand… You really bought the company line on this one didn’t you?! Wow, haven’t seen that since the CELL worshipers…

    You do know all that CLOUD stuff is proven to be bollocks with this new outlook don’t you?

    #152 2 years ago
  153. Cort

    MSDF is out in force.

    Kinect-free One for 349 and we have a deal, Don.

    #153 2 years ago
  154. SplatteredHouse

    http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/sites/default/files/o-rly-640×474.jpg

    #154 2 years ago
  155. polygem

    VOCAL MINORITY

    TERM OF THE YEAR!

    #155 2 years ago
  156. monkeygourmet

    @153

    Yep, this.

    #156 2 years ago
  157. CyberMarco

    @151

    Yeah, they could use it as an incentive to chose digital rather than physical and make people more comfortable with the idea of not “owning” the physical copy of the game but be able to share it with their friends.

    #157 2 years ago
  158. Citrus raptor

    So what about it being up to developers to have DRM on their games, is Sony still going to have that?

    #158 2 years ago
  159. stockops3

    @118 HAHA FUCK OFF!

    WHO the hell cares about who copied who, dont be such a baby and Titanfall is on 360,PC, PVZ Garden Warfare is on PS3,4, 360 and PC, so dont give me that shit ‘OH 360 has better exclusives’ the consoles havent even launched yet. One is in a good position, constant kinetic, $100 more expensive and crap indie support,

    Go suck a dirty rock you Xbot.

    #159 2 years ago
  160. G1GAHURTZ

    @146:

    Hmm… Good point.

    I suppose it’s still possible if they make digital sharing require a connection.

    #160 2 years ago
  161. sg1974

    @158 Wrong thread.

    #161 2 years ago
  162. CyberMarco

    @158

    I think it will be the same thing like PS360, with season passes and day-1 DLC or something.

    #162 2 years ago
  163. DSB

    People are already calling on Microsoft to rebrand the Xbox One as the Xbox 180.

    Really, I don’t get why they didn’t add it as an optional measure, and I don’t get why they let their pricepoint be offset by the Kinect.

    Just take the damn thing out and let people choose. People respond well to choice and lower prices.

    #163 2 years ago
  164. manamana

    @149 feels so good.

    #164 2 years ago
  165. SplatteredHouse

    “Xbox 180″ is trending worldwide on Twitter!

    #165 2 years ago
  166. Innis

    Canceled PS4 preorder, preordered Xbox One!!!!

    #166 2 years ago
  167. sg1974

    @166 Good for you. People power wins.

    #167 2 years ago
  168. Froseidon

    So I’ve been seeing this comment a lot. “Xbox One… Eighty”.

    This turn of events is brilliant. Looks like I wont be picking up my first ever Playstation after all.

    #168 2 years ago
  169. manamana

    @163 you need to leave them some space for upcoming PR publications.

    Next on the agenda: Kinect will be available as a separate unit for 119€, XB1 will sell for 389€

    #169 2 years ago
  170. Djoenz

    Damn most guys on here are full of shit its unbelievable. Stop bitching and be happy.

    Gigahurtz you spend too much time online.
    JM you are just a weird ass dude.

    Im just saying. Dont feel offended by me cause Im just a random dude on the internet, but you two post the most incredible nonsense sometimes on a freaking game site.

    #170 2 years ago
  171. monkeygourmet

    @145

    But now we can trade games as many times as we see fit and sell them for whatever price we want, or keep them or whatever.

    Same as this gen.

    So, in the case of the Xbone, this is a huge change in their business model.

    #171 2 years ago
  172. sg1974

    Now let’s get Kinect dropped as mandatory and the box sold for less.

    #172 2 years ago
  173. CyberMarco

    I was really liking all this Internet drama…

    Oh well, my popcorn ball is empty too! :P

    #173 2 years ago
  174. Erthazus

    http://kotaku.com/surprise-xbox-one-drm-reversal-requires-day-one-patch-514419715

    XBONE requires day one patch.
    So the system was indeed designed around Online.

    #174 2 years ago
  175. Ali

    Super great news… still getting a PS4 though.

    #175 2 years ago
  176. pcbros

    @127: Super clear… another PSfanboy who denies the facts.

    Don’t troll Microsoft articles, when Sony has always played “catch up”. I’m sure the next PS Move iteration will require no controller. PS4 eventually will have cloud based games soon too.

    Btw, “PS3 update 4.45 makes system inoperable”

    Enjoy the “potential”.

    #176 2 years ago
  177. Fin

    Wow

    #177 2 years ago
  178. jcp234

    It’s good to see Microsoft making an attempt to redeem its self. There was no way I was going to continue to support its brand had the original policies stayed in place.

    Microsoft should know gamers are one of the most vocal and aggressive groups around when it comes to pushing for consumer rights, so I’m not sure whose idea it was to implement the original restrictions in the first place.

    Sony made all the right decisions regarding the PS4 right out of the gate, but it seems Microsoft’s response to the X1 was a lot quicker than Sony’s response to the PS3.

    #178 2 years ago
  179. CyberMarco

    @176

    At least get your facts right…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isHJAyCICw4

    #179 2 years ago
  180. sg1974

    @176 Another MSDF desperately trying to move the focus onto something else. Today you are going to fail. Try tomorrow.

    “PS4 eventually will have cloud based games soon too.”

    You’re a bit late there you silly boy:

    http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/02/sony-buys-gaikai/

    #180 2 years ago
  181. monkeygourmet

    @Erth

    The day 1 patch fires a virtual nuke into Sky to kill the CLOUD…

    #181 2 years ago
  182. G1GAHURTZ

    @170:

    Gigahurtz you spend too much time online.

    I think you’re right.

    #182 2 years ago
  183. NeutralBlade

    @170 It’s certainly a win for us, but consumers are still better off waiting, and sticking with their plan to buy another console; while waiting to see what happens with the Xbone. Today is a good day, however, MS isn’t legally bound to their decision; meaning, they could reverse it after they reach their installed base goal. I just hope they don’t backstab us, but for now, I’m happy with our current progress; but there is still more to be done.

    #183 2 years ago
  184. Djoenz

    I have no choice, but to enjoy this news. Just WOW! This is coming from a ps3 fanboy. :)

    #184 2 years ago
  185. Ireland Michael

    I think Xbox 180 is probably what I’m going to be calling the machine from now on. God know its more original than Xbox One.

    #185 2 years ago
  186. Pytox

    @183 oh yes they will

    #186 2 years ago
  187. Robbins

    http://youtu.be/kSyx6DaUwxA?t=6s
    or
    http://youtu.be/_6sBSq5cB1M?t=2m29s

    #187 2 years ago
  188. monkeygourmet

    Also, YAY! Steph gets a nice little 200+ hit Combo! :D

    #188 2 years ago
  189. CyberMarco

    @181 But, but…. teh Cloud! Oh no!

    #189 2 years ago
  190. JeRicHoOL

    Now shit is getting tough. The console wars are officially started!

    #190 2 years ago
  191. DSB

    The only “cloud” I ever want to see in conventional videogames is the cloud save.

    Because they work, they’re convenient, and they solve problems.

    Making your game half and half with the cloud is exactly the opposite on all counts.

    #191 2 years ago
  192. Djoenz

    Stephany I love you! j/k

    #192 2 years ago
  193. tmac2011

    lol thats funny how fast they changed it. oh we want mmore money hahaha

    #193 2 years ago
  194. Sanwiches

    Ha jesus that kinda sucks. I wanted to play without discs!

    #194 2 years ago
  195. Gronke09

    @176
    Sony brought Gaikai last year and said they were going to place it with playstation. So the PS4 will have could gaming and they also have a good service, cause Gaikai worked perfectly.

    Microsoft you made a big poop and trying to shine it up is too late for me, i am going to buy a PS4 and nothing microsoft says is going to change that.

    EDIT: 180 was faster than me :D

    #195 2 years ago
  196. monkeygourmet

    @189

    :D

    @Topic

    Nintendo look more than a little fucked, what with this news.

    With everyone hating the XBone, Nintendo won an easy (albeit off a competitors bad news) second place. Now they will be bumped into a distant third again. Shame, that lasted all of 5 minutes lol :)

    #196 2 years ago
  197. JB

    @174, but surely the console can´t function without the DRM, lol :D

    “There’s a few things we won’t be able to deliver as a result of this change,” Marc Whitten, v.p. of Xbox Live told Kotaku, “One of the things we were very exicted about was ‘wherever we go my games are always with me.’ Now, of course your physical games won’t show up that way. The games you bought digitally will. You’ll have to bring your discs with you to have your games with you. Similarly, the sharing library [is something] we won’t be able to deliver at launch.”

    The sharing stuff will be available later it seems.

    #197 2 years ago
  198. laughing-gravy

    This made me smile.
    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=64873816&postcount=32

    #198 2 years ago
  199. sg1974

    @194 Nothing stopping MS making that optional. Looks like they have had a strop rather than find a way around it:

    1. Choose online checks and get shares, installs.
    2. Choose no checks and lose shares, installs.

    But it doesn’t matter, they just won several million customers back. Last week I said never, ever. Today I start waiting for it to hit a lower price point.

    #199 2 years ago
  200. monkeygourmet

    Also, Cliffy B can eat some fucking crow now after his corperate ball licking the other day.

    I hate that fucking guy now, so quick to suck the chode, I hope it choked him.

    #200 2 years ago
  201. TMRNetShark

    Complaining on the internet works, people…

    #201 2 years ago
  202. Djoenz

    @198

    AMEN +infinity

    #202 2 years ago
  203. manamana

    Took them one week to go 180. Never ever did I encountered something like this on this scope. Last time I remember a big company backpaddeling was Nintendo on their 3DS pricing. But that really was something different.

    #203 2 years ago
  204. Joe Musashi

    @171 “But now we can trade games as many times as we see fit and sell them for whatever price we want, or keep them or whatever.”

    Now that Microsoft have chosen not to prevent you from doing that as they had originally intended, yes.

    Their choice, not yours.

    JM

    #204 2 years ago
  205. JB

    @198, should be “Deal with it” :P

    #205 2 years ago
  206. sg1974

    No bonus for Don this year.

    #206 2 years ago
  207. pcbros

    @159: Another PS troll. “Who cares who copies who?” lol… Great defense. Who cares if Sony has poor originality or innovation! That’s the kind of company I stick by :P

    Besides introducing the CD or Blu-Ray format, name one innovation Sony has brought to gaming? Sony has the creativity of a snail.

    #207 2 years ago
  208. CyberMarco

    @204

    Yeah, their choice, but it would be their choice to face the consequences of their actions.

    #208 2 years ago
  209. manamana

    Damn, I feel sad somehow. Microsoft provided PR desasters on a daily basis. What now?

    #209 2 years ago
  210. sg1974

    @207 A full Colonel in the MSDF.

    #210 2 years ago
  211. Citrus raptor

    The headlines tomorrow: Microsoft dropps Kinect because of negativity from the community.

    The next day: Microsoft dropps the cloud because the community doesn’t believe it works.

    #211 2 years ago
  212. CyberMarco

    @209

    Goodbye Internet drama, there goes my daily dose! :P

    #212 2 years ago
  213. monkeygourmet

    @204

    So they have ‘chosen’ to let me do what I want with a product I have bought…

    I can sell it, break it, lend it, stick it down my piss hole. There’s not much I can’t do that is going to try and make MS intervene, baring trying to slice off Bill Gates head with an Xbone disc.

    I really don’t know where you are coming from on this one Joe. You seem intent on trying to make people see that control is limited… If you break it down like that, of course it is!

    #213 2 years ago
  214. manamana

    Kotaku runs 275k+ comments :-D

    #214 2 years ago
  215. polygem

    still wont buy stuff from a gang of crooks though…they showed their true face. i made my decission. what they tried to pull off with this was unbelieveably, ignorant, corporate fascism. no way i will ever buy shit from ms again. so they pull back now, cool, the problem is, they only do that so they can sell more stuff and then attack with even more power later again. wont support those fuckers anymore. disgusting stuff going on right here. no need to throw a party. it´s still sad times.

    #215 2 years ago
  216. sg1974

    @214 :o

    #216 2 years ago
  217. CyberMarco

    @215

    I just hope the internet doesn’t perceive this as Microsoft giving a shit about people wanting to play offline all of a sudden. They clearly thought that after showing off their selection of games at E3 the internet would change its views and when nothing changed they decided to pull a 180 as fast as fucking possible to save what little positive PR they have left. If Microsoft truly cared about consumers then they would’ve removed this DRM back when the rumors started to surface about this always online MONTHS ago. Fuck ‘em.

    #217 2 years ago
  218. monkeygourmet

    @215

    Here here Poly! :)

    #218 2 years ago
  219. polygem

    @217: INDEED

    #219 2 years ago
  220. manamana

    Its 290k+ five minutes later O.o

    #220 2 years ago
  221. Froseidon

    @215 – Nice windows operating system you’re running there.

    #221 2 years ago
  222. sg1974

    But What Hifi?!

    Seriously, wtf?!

    #222 2 years ago
  223. manamana

    Doublepost – never mind, I’m backpaddeling on this one ;)

    #223 2 years ago
  224. AmiralPatate

    But… but… what will the Internet bitch about now?

    #224 2 years ago
  225. SlayerGT

    Bet that guy who lost his job doesn’t buy an XBOne. Womp womp.

    #225 2 years ago
  226. DSB

    @224 I don’t know… I kinda hate EA, what about you?

    #226 2 years ago
  227. Froseidon

    @226 – After this E3, I’m surprised :P

    #227 2 years ago
  228. Joe Musashi

    @213 The control has not changed nor has the matter of ownership. Microsoft is still in control. That’s why people are responding to the change in Microsoft’s policies. Just because those policies now sit more comfortably with yours and others personal desires – makes no difference at all to the topic of control or ownership. People celebrating this change of policy are actually implicitly acknowledging who is in control of this sort of thing. Otherwise, logically, it really wouldn’t matter what Microsoft’s policies were.

    And I’ve always maintained it was as simple as that.

    I’m not the one who would keep twisting and turning this supremely simple thing a hundred and one different ways to imply otherwise or obfuscate that fact. Today’s news really does demonstrate exactly the point I’ve always maintained. I’m not ‘breaking it down like that’ – I’m stating how it is without trying to twist or cloud the central, key detail – just as I always have.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same :)

    JM

    PS: I hope Microsoft do a “Here’s how to share your XBox One games” viral video.

    #228 2 years ago
  229. polygem

    it really pisses me off. they are playing their games and they will even get away with it. they just checked out if the time is right already. so, it´s not the time right now-ok. but they will be prepared when the moment is there. ms for world domination. you´ve heard it here first and i really really don´t think i am overreacting here. to me they´re dead. liars and cheap crooks.

    #229 2 years ago
  230. manamana

    EA better get Titanfall out to the PS4 crowd.

    #230 2 years ago
  231. polygem

    @221: i don´t

    #231 2 years ago
  232. sg1974

    @228 It was pure genius.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

    #232 2 years ago
  233. pcbros

    @210: I just think it’s funny how PS trolls always have to comment on any good or bad MS news.

    For the record, I don’t own an Xbox360 or PS3 (I used to own both). I’m actually deciding between the PS4 or Xbox One.

    I went to E3 and actually played and saw up close a lot of these games and in my opinion, I feel Xbox One has a stronger line-up. And now that the DRM and internet restrictions were dropped, I’m more convinced X1 is the way to go for me.

    Now it’s funny how we can have a bunch of comments like “I hate MS”, “I’m getting a PS4 no matter what!”, “Monkeys can do a better job than MS” and yet, someone says anything negative about Sony… and the trolls attack full force.

    #233 2 years ago
  234. CyberMarco

    @229

    I wouldn’t hold my breath for Sony or any other corporation on that matter…

    #234 2 years ago
  235. AmiralPatate

    @226
    Yeah, but it’s not the same :D

    #235 2 years ago
  236. silkvg247

    They’ve dropped the family sharing ideas.

    Seems they are having a right old tantrum in having to admit defeat. It’s their loss though.. the family sharing combined with the removal of the shit things would have actually given it an edge as opposed to offering the same as the ps4 with a higher pricepoint and a useless gadget.

    #236 2 years ago
  237. killersense

    apparently there will be a big patch on day one lol. this is amazing. i really think microsoft put all the info out there before e3 and then figured lets see if we can wow them with all the games and when they saw that didn’t work they backtracked so fast. it seemed odd that they showed a trailer for halo so early when that is almost surely a holiday 2014 title or maybe even later.

    #237 2 years ago
  238. sg1974

    @233 You don’t think there are trolls, fanbois, morons and idiots on all sides? You’ve never seen an MS troll comment on any good or bad Sony news?

    No? You lie.

    #238 2 years ago
  239. CyberMarco

    @235

    We can always hate on the forced Kinect and 100$ more price tag. :P

    #239 2 years ago
  240. DeVitowned

    This is most certainly a win for the consumer, and it was no win for a “vocal minority,” as this was a response to preorder sales SIGNIFICANTLY favoring the PS4. I wouldn’t be so quick to place a preorder on the XBOX One now that Microsoft has back pedaled on its stance, because no matter the change of heart (wasn’t for nobility, kiddies), they still wanted to fuck the consumer, and still would if they had a choice.

    And all these fools whining about lack of progress due to Microsoft’s removal of some of the finer details of their new policy, why need they remove the good instead of specifically targeting the bad? Surely a compromise could be reached that would benefit not only the consumer, but also the publisher/developer? Think outside the box with a little objectivity. THAT’S your first step toward progression.

    #240 2 years ago
  241. Clupula

    @196 – For real. This means there will be competition between Sony and Microsoft, but Nintendo…oh, this is really, really bad for them. This might be the killing blow, quite honestly.

    I wonder how Sony will react to this. Now that one of their big trump cards is gone, will they go back to free online?

    #241 2 years ago
  242. CyberMarco

    Now that I come to think of it, if the rumor is true then Steam will be the first to implement “game-sharing”.

    Another win for PC, suck it console peasants! :P lol

    #242 2 years ago
  243. Phoenixblight

    @239

    Don’t forget that indies will need a publisher to get on the system. Thats a real sticking point for me.

    #243 2 years ago
  244. laughing-gravy

    @233 Except their games were actually running on high end PC’s. :-)

    #244 2 years ago
  245. Citrus raptor

    @241

    Will they remove ‘optional DRM for Publishers/developers’?

    @244

    Do you honestly Believe that they’ll release a console that can’t run games? Or are you saying they won’t look like they did now? How can you be sure the PS4 games will?

    #245 2 years ago
  246. manamana

    Good post DeVitowned!

    #246 2 years ago
  247. daytripper

    Wonder who put horse shit in Don Mattricks car then?

    #247 2 years ago
  248. CyberMarco

    Another Epic Fail, lol

    http://i.imgur.com/2yMbbQW.jpg

    #248 2 years ago
  249. sg1974

    @240 Yup. No reason they couldn’t keep all these policies as a user opt-in.

    #249 2 years ago
  250. Sylrissa

    *slow claps*
    Seems all the backlash actually affected MS more then their PR would let on, good to see Microsoft is willing to back flip and eat humble pie.

    If this is true, I may just pick up an xbone down the line, just not at launch. Seeing how for me personally the 24 check-in and inability to play offline were the biggest problems I had.

    #250 2 years ago
  251. monkeygourmet

    @241

    They still have more power and price point for the win.

    Unless MS do a Kinect-less Xbone for £349. That may make me consider one, the little turn coat that I am… ;)

    #251 2 years ago
  252. manamana

    @243 absolutely. We will see how that will turn out.

    #252 2 years ago
  253. sg1974

    Anyone subscribe to this feed?

    https://twitter.com/adam_orth

    I really want to know what song he is singing today.

    #253 2 years ago
  254. Telepathic.Geometry

    Wow.

    #254 2 years ago
  255. Citrus raptor

    @240

    That’s what I was hoping.

    #255 2 years ago
  256. DarkElfa

    Well, I’m sold, leaving the idea of the PS4 and moving to X-Box One mode guys, it just makes sense to me.

    Xbone, take my money.

    #256 2 years ago
  257. sg1974

    @256 Good for you. Consumers FTW!

    #257 2 years ago
  258. Lengendaryboss

    @233
    A troll complaining about trolls, oh irony oh how i missed you :)

    #258 2 years ago
  259. Joe Musashi

    A day-one patch to work offline? OK. That makes sense.

    /picardfacepalm

    JM

    #259 2 years ago
  260. monkeygourmet

    Man, I hope Cliffy B can’t get that MS vinegary ball taste out of his ‘sell out’, bitch whore little mouth for his shitty pro corperation tweeting he was doing from his Ivory tower the other day…

    #260 2 years ago
  261. manamana

    Why aren’t PS4 bundles available in the old world?

    Edit:@monkeygourmet: I bet he eats his words with an adequate amount of soap. Keen on what he tweets next…

    #261 2 years ago
  262. Lengendaryboss

    @261
    Old world?

    #262 2 years ago
  263. LostInTheVoid

    Is it just me thinking that this was Microsoft’s plan all along? Just to be like Yeah we really do listen to you guys plus our console Is now a lot better please buy one? It’s great that the bad features have been removed but it just seems like a big PR stunt to pull everyone in. I for one will be purchasing a new Graphics card and most likely the PS4, still not a fan of Microsoft they handled this pretty poorly in my opinion.

    #263 2 years ago
  264. DeVitowned

    @pcbros
    Don’t start an innovation argument and laud Microsoft as the creme de la creme. When it comes to hardware innovation, Nintendo wins hands down. They lack horsepower under the hood, but the wii remote and nunchuck started a revolution, and by God, the GamePad is fucking phenomenal. Microsoft’s innovations came from online infrastructure with XBOX LIVE, and had Sega not fallen out of the console race generations ago, I’d dare say they would have gone worlds ahead of where Microsoft currently has their service with what they tried to start with the Dreamcast, and the Kinect is a glorified PS Eye. Where Sony innovates is in the GAMES, which is the reason we buy consoles in the first place.

    #264 2 years ago
  265. OwningXylophone

    @251 (monkey)

    As today proves, never say never, but history shows that optional hardware is destined to lack 3rd party support. By guaranteeing a Kinect on every console more devs are likely to try an utilise it in new and interesting ways.

    #265 2 years ago
  266. sg1974

    @262 Europe, Asia and Africa. Pre-Colombo – the guy in the mac who discovered America.

    #266 2 years ago
  267. pcbros

    #238: I’m not saying there aren’t any. But I read up on the articles here on VG247 (especially PS4 & XB1 related) and the truth is I don’t see much flaming coming from MS or Nintendo fans. The majority honestly seems like it comes from PS fans.

    I hear terms like Microshaft, Microso$t, Xbot, etc used constantly. But I can’t recall seeing $ony, P$4 or Gaystation 4 being used. I could be wrong, but I’ve been following VG247 for a long time now and I always enjoyed reading comments (except for fanboy crap).

    At the end of the day, it’s our money.

    #267 2 years ago
  268. monkeygourmet

    @263

    The fact it needs a day 1 patch to remove the feature suggests otherwise… Although…

    @259

    Surely they have enough time to flash the new OS?! They have 5 or so months don’t they?

    #268 2 years ago
  269. Lengendaryboss

    @266
    Thought he meant whole world.

    #269 2 years ago
  270. DarkElfa

    @263, I considered that idea myself, but I’m not sure it can truly make the cross from tin foil hat conspiracy to realistic idea.

    #270 2 years ago
  271. monkeygourmet

    @265

    This is very true, although with the absence of Kinect 2 at e3, a boy can dream! ;)

    #271 2 years ago
  272. sg1974

    @267 That might have something to do with what happened last week. Au courant, and all that.

    And if you are saying you haven’t seen any negative comments about Sony, I don’t believe you.

    #272 2 years ago
  273. Froseidon

    @267 – Plus those complaining about the 24 hour online check were complaining everyday. On the internet. Seems like the check shouldn’t have phased them :P And I see where you’re coming from with the complaints.

    #273 2 years ago
  274. TheLastDodo

    Great news and just goes to show, contrary to what some might say, when gamers come together and voice their displeasure, they have a little bit of power.

    I won’t be getting any next gen console til Xmas 2014, unless I have a lottery win, but this news makes an X1 purchase more likely sometime in the future, once they’ve built up a good library of exclusives.

    #274 2 years ago
  275. Ireland Michael

    @267 Speak for yourself. I’ve supported every piece of hardware in every generation since the day of the Amstrad / Commodore / Spectrum, and I detested Microsoft’s policies with the Xbox One.

    @268 They’ve probably manufactured millions of units already, so the firmware would already be in place.

    Later units will obviously have newer firmware on them.

    This is a non-issue.

    #275 2 years ago
  276. Lengendaryboss

    @267
    Thats PS3fanboy’s reckoning if you want Nintendo elitists hit up Francis, if you want MS elitists most of them have appeared trying to defend MS like yourself and had their asses handed to them.
    Bottomline there are elitists on all sides.

    #276 2 years ago
  277. AmiralPatate

    @266
    No way, Peter Falk was born way after… oh wait, wrong Columbo :P

    #277 2 years ago
  278. sg1974

    @273 Difference is our PCs don’t block our paid-for offline elements if we don’t check in to our service provider every day.

    And now we’re being told off for complaining about policies MS have admitted were totally out of order. Jesus f***ing Christ…..

    #278 2 years ago
  279. Innis

    All Microsoft have to do know is announce better support for Indies

    #279 2 years ago
  280. pcbros

    @264: Never said MS was the king of innovation. I’ve always believed that’s Nintendo’s throne. Their games and controllers have been copied for decades.

    But Microsoft did introduce online gaming to consoles. They also brought a controller free motion device that includes voice recognition. They brought parties and chatting to consoles. Now they are bring live broadcasting and cloud based games.

    Just my opinion, but both Nintendo and Microsoft seem to push the envelope more than any other company.

    #280 2 years ago
  281. monkeygourmet

    @267

    Don’t say ‘Gay Station 4′… You’ll be banned.

    The correct term is ‘PS 4skin’…

    #281 2 years ago
  282. Sylrissa

    Just goes to show, backlash on a large enough scale can make companies listen to you and change their policies.

    I’m under no illusion that they are doing this to be “nice”, no doubt this annoyed enough people that they couldn’t ignore it anymore, and knew they had to at least try and change some issues to get people back on board before launch in november.

    This is good news for the consumer.

    #282 2 years ago
  283. manamana

    CliffyB:
    “More studios WILL close and you’ll see more PC and mobile games. “@JosephHamm: So what is going to happen to all these publishers now Cliff”"

    “At the end of the day many hardcore dislike what was attempted. You can’t do well in that space with many of your core unhappy.”

    “Especially when users have a choice. The nature of capitalism encourages competition and Sony played into that.”

    #283 2 years ago
  284. Joe Musashi

    @268 Who knows how much time these things take?

    Image of the moment:

    http://www.abload.de/img/nice_recoveryflu9k.gif

    @272 Who do I complain to because I don’t see enough negative comments of systems I don’t like? Why don’t more people see things my way? Don’t they know they’re wrong?

    JM

    #284 2 years ago
  285. CyberMarco

    Anyhow folks, nice hanging around with you tonight.

    I’ll check back tomorrow for my daily Internet drama, stay frosty! :D

    Buona Notte!

    #285 2 years ago
  286. sg1974

    “They also brought a controller free motion device that includes voice recognition. ”

    Yes, they bought Kinect off an Israeli company years after the PS2 camera was demonstrated doing those things.

    “Now they are bring live broadcasting and cloud based games.”

    PS3 has done live broadcasting, and Sony bought Gaikai last year.

    #286 2 years ago
  287. monkeygourmet

    @283

    Exactly!!!!

    I hope he chokes on that MS corperate cock he was chugging on.

    #287 2 years ago
  288. sg1974

    @284 Epic.

    #288 2 years ago
  289. LostInTheVoid

    @270 It seems like a fairlly logical PR stunt. I also feel they could of won a lot more people over if they had just not said they were implementing these features. Just feels like everyone is jumping the PS4 band wagon and heading back over to The Xbox. Plus The PS4 is going to hopefully have a really good Indie scene going on.

    #289 2 years ago
  290. DeVitowned

    “But Microsoft did introduce online gaming to consoles…”

    Nope, Sega did.

    #290 2 years ago
  291. viralshag

    Awesome. Makes no difference to me but good for the complainers that had issues.

    #291 2 years ago
  292. TrickyAudio

    Xbox One preorders from Submarines are now off the fucking charts

    #292 2 years ago
  293. sg1974

    Especially for pcbros:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au3UJHItYgc

    The original Kinect was a direct copy of the Eyetoy from the last gen.

    Bonus:

    http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim//2010/06/14/Kinetic_ps2_large_270x387.jpg

    #293 2 years ago
  294. polygem

    @285: good night!

    (frostquake that you? i mean shhhhhh…but seriously?)

    #294 2 years ago
  295. pcbros

    @272 – “And if you are saying you haven’t seen ANY negative comments about Sony, I don’t believe you.”

    I didn’t say that. I see it more from Sony fan boys.

    Like I said, I owned a PS3. inFAMOUS and Uncharted were some of my favorite games of last generation. So I’m not trolling against Sony. Just my opinion.

    #295 2 years ago
  296. sg1974

    Especially for pcbros:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SegaNet

    Look at the date.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_Live

    Look at the date.

    #296 2 years ago
  297. sg1974

    @295 So what is your problem?

    Just accept that, this week, MS deserved anger and opprobrium from a very large number of gamers.

    They have.

    #297 2 years ago
  298. pcbros

    @sg1974: So you are saying they essentially invented the “kinect” and yet came out with a wii-clone motion controller?

    And I owned a PS3 and never saw an option to broadcast my gameplay. I’m talking about broadcasting games without the need of PC equipment.

    #298 2 years ago
  299. Kabby

    Still no great .gif’s yet. I’ll come back tomorrow.

    #299 2 years ago
  300. WENDiGO

    Now this is a REAL war. Now both consoles are the same (sort of). Now the games will decide the winner.

    #300 2 years ago
  301. Xbox_one_eighty

    I’ll be back!

    #301 2 years ago
  302. DeVitowned

    @298
    Are you talking about Sony’s game broadcasting with the PS4? Or the fact it can allow users to remotely play on a friend’s console from a different part of the world? Yeah, Microsoft played “me too” on that one. :P

    #302 2 years ago
  303. sg1974

    @298 Sony created a motion-capture, voice-recognition camera which could do everything Kinect 1 does, almost a decade before MS introduced their version. Did you see that video? Dude, just accept that Kinect was nothing new or original.

    Broadcasting gameplay? But Sony announced that for PS4 before MS announced it for One, so kindly explain how it is proof of MS’ innovation over Sony?

    What have you got left? Chat? I don’t know if MS was first with that one, so I’ll give it to you. One out of about five isn’t great though.

    #303 2 years ago
  304. manamana

    CliffyB:

    “Bullshit. “@PXAbstraction:I don’t think anyone asked for Assassin’s Creed games to be so bloated that they need 1,000 person teams.”"

    “Brace yourselves. More tacked on multiplayer and DLC are coming.”

    “You’re also about to see available microtransactions skyrocket. HATS FOR EVERYONE.”

    Then
    “@therealcliffyb I want a hat for my tank in BF4.” :-D

    #304 2 years ago
  305. pcbros

    @295 – They might have deserved anger about their DRM/online requirements. But what I found funny was the backlash because they decided to listen to their consumers.

    This is actually GOOD news.

    My only gripe is the hardware design. I guess it aids in cooling the system, but I prefer PS4′s look.

    #305 2 years ago
  306. sg1974

    Oh, and look what SEGA created long before the Wiimote existed…

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jakeway/Pics/GreenHillZone/DreamcastWond.jpg

    #306 2 years ago
  307. vgyliu

    @305

    They are getting the backlash now because they shouldnt have had that policy to begin with and when sony started to get more people ordering they panicked and decided to change.

    Still won’t buy it. Dont like the fact that you neeed the kinect to be connected inorder to use the kinect. Plus with the kinect watching and listening all the time is just creepy.

    #307 2 years ago
  308. sg1974

    @307 They already backtracked on Kinect. You can now disable it. Still in the box for the majority (?) of gamers who don’t actually want it.

    #308 2 years ago
  309. AmiralPatate

    @305
    The Internet doesn’t need a reason to hate them. It’s a big corporation so it’s evil and we should hate it.

    #309 2 years ago
  310. polygem

    @307: agreed

    #310 2 years ago
  311. vgyliu

    @308

    Oh if they did that good for them. Still ill leave the xbox alone until i know their fail rate is. RROD on 2 xbox in 2 years. Still using my PS3 when it first came out.

    #311 2 years ago
  312. CaptPierce

    “The damage is done, so I guess I’ll be leaving.”

    #312 2 years ago
  313. Cobra951

    Never let it be said again that the fan base can’t make a difference.

    Only downside is that now I’m not sure what I’ll be doing when the next gen launches. It was so black and white yesterday. Now we’re back to shades of gray . . .

    #313 2 years ago
  314. pcbros

    @303 – What do they have left?

    They defined online gameplay. Xbox Live is the standard which the competition tries to achieve. Maybe Sega had a basic online system, but nothing like Xbox live. The way you can add friends, create parties, chat, message, was a product of MS. You have to give MS credit for the way we play online with our consoles.

    What about achievements? Sony soon followed with trophies.

    And I’m not saying Sony didn’t even a kinect like system… I’m asking if they had this technology a decade ago, why go with a wii clone controller?

    I don’t remember Sony announcing broadcasting all games live (I could be wrong). I remember you can share gameplay clips. But you said the PS3 could do it too. Was that a typo?

    Don’t forget sharing gameplay was created by MS with Halo 3.

    #314 2 years ago
  315. sg1974

    @314

    No, you said MS introduced certain things as proof they innovate better than the competition. You were factually wrong on all but one of them (and I’m assuming that because I don’t know who was first with chat).

    Don’t change the terms of the debate to fit your (failing) argument. Sega brought online play to consoles, not MS as you originally claimed.

    When I said PS3 could do live broadcasts, I assumed you meant streaming of events. They streamed E3 (and GDC?) live before, in Home. You then defined it as live online play; Sony announced that for PS4 before MS announced it for One, so another failure to prove MS brought that to consoles ahead of Sony.

    You claimed they introduced controller-free/voice recognition gaming. Wrong. Eye did that first. PS Motion (or whatever it is called) has nothing to do with it.

    And you claimed MS was bringing cloud gaming to home consoles (again, suggesting a first)…..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/sony/9369778/Sony-buys-Gaikai-for-380-million.html

    #315 2 years ago
  316. pcbros

    I guess people can hate, whine and complain all they want. In the end, I’m looking forward to Titanfall, Killer Instinct and Forza 5 :)

    Unless Sony can show me Gran Turismo 7 or Uncharted 4 soon, I’m sticking with XB1. By they way, Drive Club was a big disappointment for me (I played it at E3 and it was pretty bad). PS4 future owners should look into NFS Rivals (looked impressive). Although I heard a some what lighter version of Drive Club will be free… so I guess it doesn’t hurt to try it.

    If Nintendo would have announced a price drop like I had predicted, I’d be looking at that too. Maybe Smash Bros will lure me in eventually.

    #316 2 years ago
  317. sg1974

    @316

    “I guess people can hate, whine and complain all they want.”

    Yes. And you have all night. So what is your problem with other people doing the same?

    If you went to E3 you would know that the Drive Club demo was pre-alpha, barely a third done! It would be pretty stupid to discount it on that basis. A version will be free with PS+ (fewer tracks and cars, upgradeable to the full version for a fee).

    #317 2 years ago
  318. stretch215

    Saw this coming. Xbox one pre order confirmed. This machine was going to sell well WITH the drm shit. Now it’s going to explode. I’m hyped.

    #318 2 years ago
  319. Madlink

    The last two weeks might go down in history as a classic example of PR mismanagement, but at least it’s gone the way the majority of folks on here wanted it to go.

    Right, so once everyone has acclimatised to the news can we get back to talking about the games? Cool.

    #319 2 years ago
  320. pcbros

    @315 – But you are nit picking. Maybe Sega had basic peer-peer online play, but Microsoft’s Xbox Live was an innovation in online play. You can’t honestly compare them. The way we play our online games today is thanks to Microsoft.

    And it’s actually sad that having supposedly “invented” voice recognition and controller-free motion controls a decade ago, they are using a wii-mote motion style system. That’s actually a step backwards.

    So achievements wasn’t an innovation? Sharing gameplay (introduced in Halo 3) wasn’t an innovation? Didn’t Xbox introduce the harddrive based system?

    But if you want to believe Sony has been more innovative and creative, so be it.

    “If you went to E3 you would know that the Drive Club demo was pre-alpha, barely a third done! It would be pretty stupid to discount it on that basis.”

    First of all, they weren’t telling players it was a 3rd done or pre-alpha. You just wait in line, play, post a twitter comment and got a t-shirt.

    Second, Drive Club might not be fully done, but it’s not going to change radically. Who in their right mind puts out a crappy version of their game at E3? And not only did they show it, remember… we got to PLAY it. So it can’t be too far off the final product.

    But like I said, it’s free… so no harm done downloading it.

    #320 2 years ago
  321. sg1974

    @320 You said MS introduced all those things. You were wrong on all but one (and I am only assuming you were right on one).

    http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/243/561/afc.gif

    #321 2 years ago
  322. pcbros

    @321 – I don’t recall asking for your picture. Typical PS3 fanboy.

    Btw, hope you didn’t upgrade to firmware 4.45 lol…

    “We are aware of reports that the recent PlayStation 3 system software update (version 4.45) has caused the XMB to not display on a small number of PS3 systems. We have temporarily taken 4.45 offline and are investigating the cause of the problem.

    We will announce when the system update is available for download as soon as possible. We apologise for the inconvenience. We kindly ask PS3 users to wait for further details. We will announce when ready.”

    #322 2 years ago
  323. sg1974

    Thanks for proving you are just a troll pissed off at people criticising your beloved MS.

    Already updated my PS3 and it didn’t brick. On my fourth 360 though…

    #323 2 years ago
  324. Brenna Hillier

    Just a heads up that the article has been updated a few times with more information.

    #324 2 years ago
  325. TrickyAudio

    For the record, im not getting an Xbox one – I see nothing going for it that the PS4 won’t offer for a cheaper price, but this is brilliant for gamers, everyone should be happy about this.

    #325 2 years ago
  326. pcbros

    @323 – Your original post just read “You were wrong” with the picture link. You just edited your post. So don’t try to cover your tracks.

    You can bust out all your videos and small details. But I still believe Xbox innovated online play and other features we use today.

    Whether some company in India technically invented it or whether Sony technically invented voice and motion recognition… I feel Microsoft had the creative vision to implement them the best way possible.

    I’m a troll? I’m not the one posting negative comments in Sony articles.

    You sure spend a lot of time commenting Xbox articles for a Sony fan. Also, your fourth 360? You must really like it to keep going back to it.

    Think about it.

    The day Sony got hacked and our private information was compromised, I sold it to Gamestop and never looked back.

    #326 2 years ago
  327. WENDiGO

    If you read that kotaku article the way they word it makes it seem like the drm policies had good effects, it had a sad tone to it.

    http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-drm-reversal-cuts-features-requires-one-time-514419715

    Basically the xbox one was throwing the ‘future’ in our face all at once. No one knows what the future holds, so a plan that brings the future sooner could have blown up in their face. This is the present, in the present we like to feel like we own our games. Honestly, a download only console is pointless when there’s PC. If any of you were interested in the cloud (on both consoles) then you will still have that. Just let time take its course, let time decide where we go from here. A digital future is coming, but forcing us to embrace it is not the way to go.

    #327 2 years ago
  328. sg1974

    “Your original post just read “You were wrong” with the picture link. You just edited your post. So don’t try to cover your tracks.”

    Cover up what? I added (within seconds) that you were right on one of your claims you fool. Oh, how deceitful of me.

    You didn’t claim MS did those things better. You claimed they were first. I proved you were wrong on all but one of them, and I’m only guessing you weren’t wrong on that one too. And now you’re saying you didn’t say they were first, you said they did it better. How convenient. Unfortunately your original post is there to see.

    “I’m a troll? I’m not the one posting negative comments in Sony articles”

    No, you keep posting negative comments about PS3 in MS articles. I’d call that trolling.

    Keep on trolling about the PS3. I don’t need to think about anything; I keep going back to the 360 because I like it. I’m not a Sony fan and I’m not an MS fan. I’m both. Go through my comment history, I’ve said good things about MS and the One even in this thread. Funny how you ignored those.

    #328 2 years ago
  329. DSB

    Wait, just thought about the region lock thing….

    Does that mean we’ll finally be able to play NCAA Football in Europe?

    If so, very excite!

    @327 Microsoft just lost touch with reality. Whatever compound they have up in Redwood must be preeetty far removed from reality. Apparently computers now mostly use touchscreens, which is the only way to explain Windows 8, and according to Don Mattrick anyone with a shoddy internet connection must be on a nuclear sub.

    Meanwhile the US ranks 16th in internet infrastructure back in the real world, and a lot of people are stuck paying premiums to monopolistic ISPs who have been allowed to carve up and neglect said infrastructure between them.

    #329 2 years ago
  330. Robbins

    We only need 30 more comments to get to 360.

    #330 2 years ago
  331. sg1974

    LOL.

    I’m off shopping. G1GA can explain – when he’s finished rubbing savlon into his ass cheeks.

    #331 2 years ago
  332. pcbros

    @328 – Look… I’ve said time and time, it was my opinion. I’ve been gaming since the original NES. I’ve seen all the innovations. And now that I think about it, Sega was first to use CD’s (Sega CD) I believe. I might not know the technical details but from what I’ve SEEN, Microsoft was innovative in those departments.

    If they didn’t technically invent them, then that’s fine. I never said you were wrong with your countless articles and videos, did I?

    You came off like a jerk @321 (the way it was orginally written), if that wasn’t your intention or I misread it, then I apologize.

    But anyways, I’m done here.

    #332 2 years ago
  333. machy

    Microsoft only changed its policies because of SONY! Not because of gamers! This is not an apology. This is surrender.

    PS4 FTW!

    #333 2 years ago
  334. G1GAHURTZ

    Wow!

    You go to sleep, and when you wake up, same old messages from the same old troll, who was glued to his keyboard all night! LOL!

    There must be a name for this sort of psychological condition…

    Oh yeah, there is.

    OCD.

    #334 2 years ago
  335. pcbros

    After some thought, I think Microsoft and probably most publishers wanted the DRM control (to combat piracy). So Microsoft put it out there to see if people would accept it and when people went crazy… they new it was not a smart move now.

    But I think eventually we will see some sort of DRM control in the future.

    I personally had no problem with it, but I’m glad it makes a lot of people happy.

    #335 2 years ago
  336. lookingglass

    What a pitiful developement. I guess console gaming will not evolve with the rest of tech industry. This marks the beginning of the end of the console world.

    The next few years will be painful. Publishers will fail and their franchises with them. Games will be fewer and they’ll take longer to release. Crappy indie games will flourish and people will sorely miss their triple A titles and all the quality and value they provide.

    When the bottom falls out from beneath the industry’s feet, I hope everyone who whined and cried realizes in full, it’s your fault.

    #336 2 years ago
  337. Sanwiches

    @335 pcbros

    They wanted to combat piracy, indeed. It would’ve worked, I think, if most people had decent, reliable, without bandwidth caps internet connections. But the infrastructure is not there yet :l I share your thoughts, they probably just switched the DRM features off, and will wait to see how the future looks. These consoles are going to last many years… I don’t know.

    #337 2 years ago
  338. Phoenixblight

    @335 and @337

    It wasn’t about piracy. It was about second hand sales. Second hand industry is worth multi-billion that doesn’t go towards the developer or publisher. MS wanted to control it. Piracy was a very small number compared to second hand sales.

    #338 2 years ago
  339. Kalain

    Interesting.

    One thing that interested me about this whole thing was, when MS revealed the DRM plan, people cried blue murder over it and Sony where, for the first few week, very evasive about how they would handle DRM/used games.

    I think that Sony had something very similar in place but, after seeing the backlash to MS, didn’t say anything and changed their plans. But, we’ll never know now.

    Good move by MS though, although I think their ideas of sharing games with a circle of 10 friends, without the disc, was a brilliant idea.

    #339 2 years ago
  340. Sanwiches

    @338 Well, let’s say it was about piracy AND used games, then. I agree with what you said, except maybe the last sentence. I wouldn’t know.

    #340 2 years ago
  341. Puggy

    Oh my, how predictable.

    I still wonder if they really changed it, or if they never had features planed like they told at E3, just get more publicity, build tension and then release it by being “the good guy that listens”.
    If that is the case, I’d say it was one risky strategy, but whoever managed to pull it off deserves a raise.

    #341 2 years ago
  342. NocturnalB

    @78
    The majority of the people I’ve seen commenting since the XBOne reveal that weren’t just completely condemning it didn’t approve of the changes, their majority consensus was “Oh well, it doesn’t effect me, so I’ll still buy it.”. Very few ever said “I like/approve the new policy changes.”

    It’s kind of pointless now anyway, one way or the other. I am happy for what happened today personally, I will likely buy one now, although I’m still buying a PS4 first, more games there I want to play badly i.e. Diablo 3/ PlanetSide 2/ Infamous Second Son/ Watch Dogs.

    #342 2 years ago
  343. Phoenixblight

    @340

    http://www.gamerevolution.com/blog/sliverstorm/why-does-the-video-game-industry-hate-used-game-sales-85879

    #343 2 years ago
  344. redwood

    so basically miscrosoft WERE the greedy little tards everybody was calling them out to be, and the xbots defending them WERE naive.
    Oh well..am still getting a ps4 :D
    https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1139902720/hD9A07DD4/

    #344 2 years ago
  345. M. K.

    Now drop that kinect requirement and I’m in!

    #345 2 years ago
  346. OmegaSlayer

    what a farse

    #346 2 years ago
  347. NinjaHart

    It is obvious that MS only changed these things because they “had to”, if they wanted to be a major part of the next-gen.

    But I personally do give them respect and credit for dropping these things. It proves that MS is NOT the one dictating how gaming should be, but the gamers are. Everyone who complained and bitched about these things, made such an impact that MS had no choice.

    Still tho. Must credit and respect to MS for doing it.

    #347 2 years ago
  348. nostramo

    Microsoft gets what microsoft wants, end of. All these reversed policy decisions will gradually be reinstated once they have a healthy installed user base, a firmware update here a firmware update there. They had to do something quickly to
    ensure that xbox1 sells, you can bet the house on the fact that a lot of lobbying has been going on behind the scenes from affected third parties such as gamestop, in fact, any and all in retail who trade in games, wheather it be new and /or used stood to loose too much by microsofts drm and used game policies as they stood, imagine if you will that game in the uk and gamestop in the usa had their business damaged so badly by microsofts stance on drm/ used games, would they still want to stock and sell any microsoft products?

    #348 2 years ago
  349. Bomba Luigi

    Thats Great, know I don’t have to Hate Xbox One anymore. I hate to hate Things.

    I still prefer PS4, and I get a PS4 DAy one and not an Xbox, but at some Point in Time I will buy an Xbox One. Because it has good Games, and thats what now matters again.

    #349 2 years ago
  350. Vice

    Geezez! Finally! Thank you! And fuck you Sony, you not getting my money now. Halo >>>> anything sony.

    #350 2 years ago
  351. Cort

    Ignore the G1gatroll, public humiliations always make angry people lash out and entrench. And now he has to find ways to portray MS’ decision last night as a bad thing because he spent so much time defending their policies after E3 and attacking anyone who didn’t want DRM and online checks. It’s hard work, so everybody give him a break today, okay? Be understanding.

    #351 2 years ago
  352. mistermogul

    This is really great news and credit to MS for listening to the “vocal minority”, though my business will remain changed to PS4.

    Just the fact that MS tried to force these features is enough to keep me away (plus the lure of PS exclusives of course!).

    #352 2 years ago
  353. CyberMarco

    Translation of the report:

    http://www.dorkly.com/article/52521/don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement

    #353 2 years ago
  354. bennyx

    Bottom line is can we trust them.
    Can we trust them to not go back on their word.
    And that applies to Sony too!!!!

    #354 2 years ago
  355. OmegaSlayer

    Just went around the internet and reading people’s comment I can’t see how this has gone better.
    This message won’t reach every space that the bad press already reached, like the mainstream media.
    With this move maybe MS got back like 15% of fans.
    Still Sony has a shit load of cards to play.
    From games to services like Gaikai.

    By the way, this move makes me even more sceptic about MS.
    They have clearly stated that Sony is the leader and they’ll follow.
    Microsoft are losers and, despite they’ll fail with a bit more dignity, they will still fail.

    #355 2 years ago
  356. MCTJim

    really nothing more to complain about other than the price point. So I guess it business as usual. Competition makes good for the consumer.

    #356 2 years ago
  357. jch8113

    Dear Microsoft/Xbox One: Oh praise be to you great one for finally relenting after a hailstorm of protest since your unveiling for ALLOWING us mere mortals to continue to do with our video games what we’ve been able to do since 1985 (i.e. buying/selling/trading the games we bought and paid for as well as play our games offline for longer than 24hrs at a time) even though Sony was going to allow us to continue to do so from the start. Once again, thank you all powerful as MERCIFUL Microsoft/Xbox One for bestowing upon us our given rights that we’ve been utilizing since 1985! Praise be to you powerful one…. Eat crap.

    #357 2 years ago
  358. zersus

    So, I guess the Xbox Fanboys now will buy it blindly will forgive and forget about what Microsoft have done, and the very most imported thing is:

    Forget to thank Sony, because Microsoft would do shit changing something you dislike, they did it, because of Sony.

    Still, never ever a Microsoft console for me. If I would win one, I would sell it!

    #358 2 years ago

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