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Sony: allowing used games on PS4 “creates value”

Tuesday, 18th June 2013 16:11 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

SCEA CEO Jack Tretton told Bloomberg during E3 that Sony’s PS4 was built to “appeal to consumers,” worldwide and the ability to sell, share or trade disc-based games adds to the value of a console.

According to Tretton, via Gamespot, this is one of the main reasons the console doesn’t require and always-online connection.

“We’re most concerned about the consumer. And we really appeal to consumers on a worldwide basis,” Tretton said. “And I think in the United States, we realize there’s a high degree of broadband adoption, but we’re in a lot of countries where people don’t have the ability to connect on a daily basis and we want to appeal to consumers worldwide.

“The other thing as it relates to the ownership of the game, if people pay a lot of money for that, they equate the value with the flexibility they have in that. To do with it as they choose,to give it to their friends, sell it to their friends, trade it in to another retailer; that creates value in the initial purchase that they make.”

Tretton also reiterated that Sony always planned on providing a price point for PS4 that would drive volume “as quickly as possible,” yet at a price which would resonate well with consumers.

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58 Comments

  1. ps3fanboy

    here we have a company that gets it, and care about gamers and games. suck on that you xbot ass smocks!

    #1 1 year ago
  2. harr0w

    The fatty keeps milking that cow

    #2 1 year ago
  3. Kieran

    well that overweight man can do what ever he wants with the amount of money hes gonna be getting from interviews and hes going to be a richer man

    #3 1 year ago
  4. tempacc

    @1 they care so much that they decided to launch the PS3 in North America for $599… E3 2006.

    You’re welcome.

    #4 1 year ago
  5. MegaGeek1

    Let’s be honest with ourselves, this was a knee-jerk reaction to M$’s terrible press.
    Not that I care, I’m glad Sony was able check it’s ego at the door before E3 and make the necessary changes.

    Ps I love Jackie boys blue eyes.

    #5 1 year ago
  6. Kieran

    Sony got cocky just because PS2 dominated they believed PS3 could as well !!!! now microsoft are following their footsteps

    #6 1 year ago
  7. TheBlackHole

    Option 1:
    Lend a disc to friends, one at a time, watching it degrade and scratch more as time goes by.

    Option 2:
    Instantly share your entire library with ten people (on their own console, anywhere in the world) without the need for disc swapping.

    Sorry, but I know what I’d prefer.

    #7 1 year ago
  8. ps3fanboy

    @4 microsoft gave you rrod,disc scratching because of rushed faulty hw and have been denying it ever since. they also put up a pay wall infront of your games for 7 years. while everyone else on other devices didn’t have to pay at all for the same service. suck on that xbot!

    #8 1 year ago
  9. zinc

    @7, except thats not how it works is it mate. Not by a long shot.

    Lol, instantly share your 8gig+ game?

    Good download speed you got there champ.

    #9 1 year ago
  10. Max Payne

    @7 I think problem with xbox one is there are more annoyinces other than just used games. I would never buy it because of forced kinect,someone would never buy it because they don’t have internet others maybe are not convinced with ”exlusives” and 100$ more.
    Everything with MS have some kind of catch.

    #10 1 year ago
  11. Kieran

    @7 then you have clumsy friends haha !!!! and dont forget even second or 3rd hand games will still be 60euros so id take option one :)

    #11 1 year ago
  12. tempacc

    @8 And PS Plus is mandatory if you wish to play your PS4 games online now.

    Once again, you’re welcome.

    #12 1 year ago
  13. Irani

    Sony Is False , Sony Stop Your Lies

    #13 1 year ago
  14. TheBlackHole

    Okay, if we’re being pedants, then I say instantly in so much as…

    as long as it takes for the game to load the first bit of content, on your own console. Far more instantaneous than having to swap discs between people, machines, distances etc. So fairly quick.

    Also, @9

    erm…

    “Give your family (they also admitted it works with friends) access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere”

    “Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One”

    Yeah, that’s pretty much how it works.

    @11 WTF? No idea what you mean.

    #14 1 year ago
  15. ps3fanboy

    @7 sorry to break your celebrating there buddy…

    option 1: i don’t know any of your hillbilly friends. but all my friends are gamers and know how to handle a disc with care.

    option 2: you can only share with one other person from your console and you two can not play the same game at once. the other 9 is for sub accounts(this was said by major nelson himself!). you should keep yourself up to date with your micro$haft, you muppet!

    #15 1 year ago
  16. TheBlackHole

    @15

    “you can only share with one other person”

    So like disc swapping then, but quicker. Great.

    “the other 9 is for sub accounts”

    Which is stated where exactly?

    #16 1 year ago
  17. Kieran

    @15 couldnt of said it better :)

    @14 i meant ps4 is more appealing especially when it comes to lending games and plus you cant buy second hand games cheap with X1 there still full price !!!!! but ps4 games wont be microsoft are out for your money clean and simple

    #17 1 year ago
  18. TheBlackHole

    @17

    “you cant buy second hand games cheap with X1 there still full price”

    Again, where is all this amazing knowledge coming from, given that nobody has stated any information on second hand pricing policies.

    #18 1 year ago
  19. orakaa

    @7: good luck for the day when you move from your parents basement, or when you have an Internet problem or simply when Microsoft shuts their servers. Because they will.

    Option 1: BUYING and OWNING games for normal retail price, buy cheaper used games and keeping ability to do whatever I want with those games (current gen and PS4).

    Option 2: RENTING games for the same price, with an expiration date at discretion of Microsoft (Xbox One).

    Oh, and if Anonymous start to attack Microsoft servers and render your black box useless, please, do us a favor and don’t come complain…

    #19 1 year ago
  20. zinc

    @14, Yeah, up to ten people. One at a time. And only the single-player portion of the game. Awesome.

    Check out the Angry Joe show on youtube. Major Nelson confirms it.

    #20 1 year ago
  21. Eregol

    @16
    “the other 9 is for sub accounts”

    Which is stated where exactly?

    —————————————————–
    And where is it stated that it isn’t? 10 seems overly generous doesn’t it? You honestly don’t reckon there’s another level of MS control going on here?

    #21 1 year ago
  22. mistermogul

    @7 – I think you’re being a bit optimistic if you think MS will just allow you to share your ENTIRE games library with 10 people unrestricted.

    It would mean software sales would take a complete beating and would not be feasible for them.

    They would effectively lose 10 sales for every sale they got so I wouldn’t get too excited just yet until they state what restrictions come with that feature.

    #22 1 year ago
  23. TheBlackHole

    @20

    “One at a time”

    Again, like disc swapping, but with anyone, anywhere in the world.

    Also, I just listened to the angry Joe show. Heard nothing about Single Player mode only. Feel free to point me to the time.

    #23 1 year ago
  24. TheBlackHole

    @22

    Not at all, it’s just a more efficient way of sharing games, like you would today.

    The restrictions are the same – only one person at a time.

    Sure, there could be more blockers imposed, but even with restrictions it’s a decent feature.

    #24 1 year ago
  25. fearmonkey

    All you Xbox fanboys must be really sad inside if arguing with Ps3fanboy does anything for you.

    I hate to tell you this, but consumers and gamers have spoken, they aren’t happy about MS’s decision, and no arguing is going to change that. Maybe the xbone will prevail, but I doubt it, I don’t know any current xbox owner personally that is getting an Xbone at launch, and over half of those are now going to get a PS4, true story…

    These were people super excited about the Xbox 720…..

    #25 1 year ago
  26. TheBlackHole

    @25

    “I hate to tell you this, but some consumers and gamers have spoken”

    Fixed.

    #26 1 year ago
  27. ps3fanboy

    TheBlackHole YOU ASS CLOWN! its time you get over your holy horse micro$haft employee. you don’t fool anyone here.

    #27 1 year ago
  28. fearmonkey

    @26 – Yeah, almost 39,000 vs 2160 according to that amazon facebook poll. it was so bad they had to take the poll down haha. Maybe thats “some” to you, but to everyone else thats a good indicator of how Xbone’s message has come across.

    I understand though, you have to do whateever you can to make yourself feel better.

    #28 1 year ago
  29. WENDiGO

    TheBlackHole, you’re lacking common sense man. You also haven’t been keeping up with the news. Your reasoning is way off :/.

    #29 1 year ago
  30. Innis

    @27 Do you ever shut up?

    #30 1 year ago
  31. merrc

    @4 yes it may have been a high price point, but what other machines packed in a blu-ray drive for what they were going for at the time?

    #31 1 year ago
  32. reask

    @ the black hole.
    Problem been when you’re explaining your losing.
    Thats all MS have been doing since announcement.

    Myself, I am not bothered either way but the 4 been 100 cheaper will most likely sway it for me in the end.
    None of the games I have seen make either a must want tbh.

    I think MS need to start back peddling real fast here before they lose too much goodwill.
    The majority of folks are confused and rightly so.
    If I want to buy a disc and trade it that should be it really.

    Maybe what they are doing is forward thinking, I don’t know myself tbh.
    At the end of the day if the message is confusing, people will switch off and once they opt for the cheaper 4 may never feel the need for x1.

    #32 1 year ago
  33. DSB

    @7 There’s nothing wrong with the basic features of the Xbone, it’s all in the execution.

    Microsoft has a concept of going full Kinect and always online, and they aren’t making any room for a compromise. That’s usually when reality, ie your customers, get in the way. They could’ve been competitive on price if they hadn’t made Kinect mandatory, and they could’ve had an always online platform (like Steam) if they hadn’t insisted on looking over peoples shoulders.

    There’s just a huge gap between what Microsoft wants and their ability to get it without losing most people in the process.

    I mean, why would you even specify family when it comes to sharing your library. If it’s ten arbitrary individuals, then why not simply say “everybody” since that’s obviously what they actually mean. I doubt they’re gonna be asking for bloodtests.

    #33 1 year ago
  34. Irani

    لجش گرفته مورچه گازش گرفته ps3fanboy

    #34 1 year ago
  35. zinc

    Major Nelson explains game-sharing. 03:55 onwards.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    #35 1 year ago
  36. zinc

    @34, I imagine bloodtests & retinal scans will be introduced with kinnect mk3.

    :)

    #36 1 year ago
  37. DSB

    @37 I guess we’ll add adopted kids to the list of empassioned Microsoft haters :P

    #37 1 year ago
  38. pcbros

    It’s funny how loyal and fanatical some ps3 owners can be. Even though Sony pays them jack, they defend and promote all that is Sony.

    Anyways, I actually owned all three current gen consoles (Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360). So I don’t promote anyone. But these are my thoughts.

    1. As far as used games, only GameStop makes a real profit. They buy our games for $5 and resell it for $30+. I like that I can share a game with a friend anywhere with no fear of an “accidental” scratch. It can happen, no one is perfect. Discs will go the way of cartridges in the future. Cheaper for publishers. No one complains they can’t lend or trade in Steam, iPhone or android apps, right? It’s the future, embrace it or just stick to old school consoles.

    2. About a required Internet connection, most games will be multiplayer in some way. Who really owns a 360 today and has NO Internet connection? The future is multiplayer and games that in some way connect to a server (ex. Cloud based games). So if you live in a cave somewhere or can’t afford Internet, then Xbox One isn’t for you (stick with the Xbox 360, PS4 or whatever else). It’s like saying I want an iPhone but with no data plan. Makes no sense.

    Plus, Sony in an attempt to stop PSP hackers made it mandatory to download firmware updates and some games would not work without the newest firmware (I know because I owned one).

    So lets not get all anal about things and just buy whatever you want. I attended this E3 and was impressed with several games. inFamous was always a favorite of mine. Forza 5 was sick (and Titanfall) and Mario Kart 8 was great too. So they all have great games coming, so stop whining and bashing other consoles. It just looks pathetic and immature.

    #38 1 year ago
  39. CyberMarco

    ^ “Who really owns a 360 today and has NO Internet connection?”

    Around the 30% of Xbox 360 owners…

    With every UMD based game a FW update was included so you could update your PSP.

    #39 1 year ago
  40. ps3fanboy

    @34 Irani, did you know that micro$haft are not gonna support your country?, so there will be no xbone for you.

    #40 1 year ago
  41. pcbros

    Not everyone has a data plan but that didn’t stop Apple’s vision for the future phone. If they said, “we can’t invent the iPhone until everyone owns a data plan”, we would still have old, outdated phones.

    You can’t please everyone.

    As for the PSP, not all games were UMD. Yet that didn’t stop Sony from requiring the FW updates.

    Plus, can’t 3rd party developers implement their own DRM system? Whose to say they won’t require an Internet “check”.

    I think people are jumping the gun with this too soon.

    #41 1 year ago
  42. hitnrun

    Sony: allowing used games on PS4 “creates value”

    Sony: talking about our used game policy on PS4 “creates value.”

    And what the hell? They’re right, it does.

    @38: Who really owns a 360 today and has NO Internet connection?

    Poor kids. People with poor technical skills who can’t get the danged router settings to work right on that videogame box. The same people who got FFXIII released on the 360. Say it’s only 20%. That’s still 15 million people – even without the negative publicity that will cause many more not to buy it in the first place.

    “The future is multiplayer and games that in some way connect to a server.”

    The future is multiplayer? Really? Is it 2007 again? I keep hearing about this future that everyone is going to accept but for some reason I still don’t have a 3D television. Maybe the future is an abstracted concept for which it is contradictory to claim certitude?

    Also, Steam games are cheap if not free. Also, Steam itself is free. I’ve spent maybe $60 on the service and have an entire lifetime worth of 5-star titles from the last six years.

    “So if you live in a cave somewhere or can’t afford Internet, then Xbox One isn’t for you”

    Yep, cave imagery notwithstanding, that’s basically the point on which everyone agrees.

    #42 1 year ago
  43. xino

    anyone seen the prices of a regular next gen game?
    £55!!!

    why the hell would i spend half of £100 for a damn game?
    not even considering DLC or special editions.

    complete ripoff!
    and xbox 1 is banning used games! It lost already

    #43 1 year ago
  44. pcbros

    Think about the features you are looking forward to (Xbox One and PS4).

    • Share gameplay with friends (even live streaming with services like Twitch.TV),

    • Cloud based content. Games that change constantly.

    • Video chat with friends.

    Then we have older features like:

    • DLC

    • PSN and XBLA games

    • Online gameplay

    All these features require an internet connection. I don’t want to pay $400 or $500 just for better graphics.

    Who buys an iPhone and uses it just for music? Might as well buy a iPod touch.

    #44 1 year ago
  45. KineticCalvaria

    @43, or better yet, why would you spend quarter of £200 for a damn game? I know right!?

    Those are placeholders by the way, not final prices. :-)

    #45 1 year ago
  46. pcbros

    @HITNRUN: So you believe the future of gaming will still use discs? You honestly think the future is not online?

    Everything is going online, even our TV’s.

    I guess you must think cartridges are still the way to go for games and non-smartphones are still in high demand.

    It’s only my opinion but I strongly believe online is the future.

    • “Poor kids can’t afford Internet”

    Yet they can buy a $400-$500 video game console? Really?

    I’m sorry but I think it’s naive to think progress will halt to satisfy the minority.

    #46 1 year ago
  47. DSB

    @41 An iPhone doesn’t lock down any functionality beyond the perfectly logical when you’re in a dead zone.

    If it did, then owning one would be a lot less desirable, and that’s Microsofts problem right now.

    Just like the American internet infrastructure is hit and miss, the 3G infrastructure is far from perfect. Apple accounted for that, Microsoft chooses not to.

    #47 1 year ago
  48. noamlol2

    they are so full of shit – https://store.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/#!/en-us/games/the-last-of-us-online-pass/cid=UP9000-BCUS98174_00-THELASTOFUSONPAS

    season pass on sony’s first party
    while EA kills their online passes

    sony are full of shit

    #48 1 year ago
  49. pcbros

    But you don’t really have dead zones with a home based Internet connection. Unless the power goes out but then nothing works period.

    Plus, we don’t know any real factual details about the “lockdown”. Again, I think people are jumping the gun.

    Remember, people complained that with Xbox live you had to pay for online gameplay all last generation. Now Sony did the exact same thing with the PS4.

    People complained the Wii’s casual style games were a disgrace to hardcore gamers. Yet Sony came out with its only wiimote and MS brought the kinect.

    It’s funny how somethings turn out. Don’t be surprised if in the near future Sony requires an online check.

    Developers have struggled with piracy for decades… This could be a solution.

    #49 1 year ago
  50. Citrus raptor

    Wtf Sony, are you enouraging me to buy used games? Fine, I’ll only buy used games for the PS4.

    @49

    “Don’t be surprised if in the near future Sony requires an online check”

    Or focus on cloud, or prioritise online based games (games that play best online), or any other online heavy trend.

    #50 1 year ago
  51. DSB

    @49 I can only assume that you live in one of the well supplied metro areas, but there is plenty of ground out there with shoddy internet.

    And thanks to the wonders of the “free market”, a lot of rural and suburban areas are given the choice between either a shoddy single supplier, or a 56k modem from a competing ISP. It’s a virtual monopoly of shitty internet.

    And even if that wasn’t the case, there’s no excuse for not planning for contingencies. That’s just being smart and considerate. There’s all kinds of things that can interrupt your service, even if you’re lucky enough to be in one of the sweet spots. It’s pretty much the first law of any network that shit is going to fail.

    Apple knows that, Valve (Steam) knows that, EA (Origin) knows that. Microsoft knows it too, they just choose not to accomodate their users to the same extent. Hence the rage.

    And paying for online functionality is a scam no matter who’s asking you to do it. People should know and demand better.

    #51 1 year ago
  52. Dirk

    @43 check the RRP for current 360 and PS3 games, The Last of Us is £51.99, the shops choose to sell it cheaper.

    @48 “online pass” the sp works just fine. It’s not ideal but the game itself isn’t blocked.

    @46 I have relatives who save to provide their kids with consoles and games, along with everything else, they can’t afford to be paying out for internet and the monthly fees on top of it. Just because you’ve got the money doesn’t mean everybody else has.
    The future is online, there’s no doubt about it, but it’s still the future and not the present.

    #52 1 year ago
  53. Khan979

    I really don’t get you people defending microsoft on this. what don’t you guys fucking get? I have great internet connection and can’t remember the last time it went down, but I don’t want a goddamn console that makes me check in every 24 hours, it’s that fucking simple. I am not arguing over who has internet and who doesn’t. The VERY SIMPLE point is that there is no reason for the xbox to check in other than to check on whether or not you have valid up to date licenses for the games you are playing so that they can make sure you have paid full price for that game. You all talk like the PS4 doesn’t connect to the internet, but that Microsoft’s does and it’s the way of the future. Take off those rose colored glasses and get a fucking clue.

    The PS4 has full internet functionality IF I CHOOOOOOOOOOSE to use it. It’s not forced upon me, I don’t have to use it, but it’s there. and for whoever the numb nuts is that talked about the online pass for The Last of Us. Yeah it’s got it for online functionality, I can still play the whole SP game and have been without entering that damn code. So what if the MP requires it, who cares, lots of games on the PS and xbox have similar things.

    Look the fact of the matter is at this point in time MS has come off and shown itself to be completely anti consumer. No amount of you people trying to justify it is going to change that fact for the majority of us. What will change that though is MS doing a self evaluation of those policies and changing them.

    #53 1 year ago
  54. Puggy

    Hm, I just dislike the online check thing due to… well, problems that might not be on my side.

    Lets look back some months, years even. There Sony did something bad and some… lets call them hacker groups decided to target them and make the life of their Internet Security department less enjoyable. As a result the PS Network went down for quite some time.

    Now, what if this would happen to the Xbox One Network? Lets say some new or old Hacker groups try to bring down the Xbox Network. Maybe for giggles, maybe for prove of skill or whatever.
    Would that prevent me from playing my games, since the console can’t connect to the verification servers?
    Meaning there is a chance that I won’t be able to play a product I paid for (or at least the license to use it) for days/weeks, even though it is not my fault at all? It won’t be Microsofts fault either, that I admit, but still that does not mean that I have to like it.

    #54 1 year ago
  55. ps3fanboy

    Arguing with a xbot is like playing chess with a Pigeons. It’s just going to scatter the pieces, poop all over the board, and run back to the flock proclaiming victory.

    #55 1 year ago
  56. Dave Cook

    @55 dude, weirdly enough pigeons can actually, mentally comprehend chess at base level. A bunch of academics at MIT did a study on it last year – http://bit.ly/16IdVNW

    #56 1 year ago
  57. KineticCalvaria

    @56, oh dude, you totally trolled that troll! Bravo!

    #57 1 year ago
  58. Samoan Spider

    @56 I love it, that’s amazing!

    #58 1 year ago

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