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Xbox One: Harrison sheds light on pre-owned fees, always online

Wednesday, 22 May 2013 10:52 GMT By Dave Cook

Xbox One sparked mass confusion last night, with talk of always-online functions, pre-owned fees and the need to go online once every 24 hours to. It’s cloudy at best, but here’s Microsoft’s Phil Harrison to help clarify the matter.

Speaking with Eurogamer, Harrision said that the format is no different to how discs work today, and then added, “So, think about how you use a disc that you own of an Xbox 360 game. If I buy the disc from a store, I use that disc in my machine, I can give that disc to my son and he can play it on his 360 in his room.

“We both can’t play at the same time, but the disc is the key to playing. I can go round to your house and give you that disc and you can play on that game as well. What we’re doing with the digital permissions that we have for Xbox One is no different to that.

“If I am playing on that disc, which is installed to the hard drive on my Xbox One, everybody in my household who has permission to use my Xbox One can use that piece of content. I can give that piece of content to my son and he can play it on the same system.”

On the issue of having to pay a free to use second-hand copies of games, Harrison continued, “I can come to your house and I can put the disc into your machine and I can sign in as me and we can play the game. At the end of the play session, when I take my disc home – or even if I leave it with you – if you want to continue to play that game [on your own profile] then you have to pay for it.

“The bits are already on your hard drive, so it’s just a question of going to our [online] store and buying the game, and then it’s instantly available to play. The bits that are on the disc, I can give to anybody else, but if we both want to play it at the same time, we both have to own it. That’s no different to how discs operate today.”

So there you have it folks. Yes there’s a fee for pre-owned, which covers the game license, and no you can’t lend games to friends without them having to pay for it. So it’s not really the same as what we have today.

What do you make of the above?

Cheers OXM.

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24 Comments

  1. SameeR_Fisher

    Publishers will jump on this like crazy to kill the used games market, I am afraid Sony may follow suit, and due to publishers demands they cave in.

    If Sony refuses such a thing, and keep such an awful system out then they pretty much won the next gen.

    Also this is pretty much stupid, I lend my games to my friends and borrow theirs, why the fuck do I have to pay extra fee ?!, this is messed up, that doesn’t happen when you lend anything to a friend, a TV works just fine, a Car works just fine, a mobile works just fine, and Ipad, ……..etc you name it.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. JackTheFaux

    So does that mean, when I go to buy the license of a (then) several year old game, I’ll have to pay the launch price of said game through Microsoft’s Games on Demand service?

    #2 2 years ago
  3. Atmey

    The sad thing some people will pay, not buying the game is not enough, we have to raise a case against this method of “owning”.
    I don’t care if Mircosoft went so bankrupt we had to use linux everywhere.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. NinjaHart

    @1 GameStop said that 60% of their costumers do NOT want to buy a consol that does not support used games. So by confirming that they do not support it, they pretty much gived Sony those 60% costumers, and that is A LOT of people.

    If Sony are smart, they keep alowing PS4 to play used games as we do on PS3 today and they will dominate the market.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. SameeR_Fisher

    @4: Agree, but to do so Sony has to fight publishers you know, no one fought against the online code, hence why I am a bit afraid Sony may not fight against this, they may leave it up to the publishers to include a serial or not.

    I really hope Sony stands their ground.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. NinjaHart

    @5 I agree with that. But if Sony keeps it as it is and Microsoft obviously won’t. The publishers will see what cosole all the games are sold for and hopefully realizes the gamers want to use used games and are not interested in buying games for a consol who don’t support it.

    In the end, it can be the costumers that decide it if they get many enough people to make a statement.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. silkvg247

    No chance of me getting an Xbox One unless they change this.

    #7 2 years ago
  8. mongbatstar

    I was under the impression that Sony’s equivalent was an optional feature that each game could opt in/out of.

    That seems to be a better system, empowering consumers to reward the “good” publishers.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. harmundo

    But what about this sentence: “The bits that are on the disc, I can give to anybody else, but if we both want to play it at the same time, we both have to own it. That’s no different to how discs operate today.”

    It is suggest that you have to buy the game if you and the other person want to play it at the same time, but if you and the other person want to play the game in different time, you dont have to buy it. Or i misunderstand something?

    #9 2 years ago
  10. karma

    “Harrision said that the format is no different to how discs work today”

    If that is the case then why change it at all? If it works now, and with additional hassle for gamer, then why change it?

    Because they want to create an environment in which they control the way we consume entertainment in all its formats. Ultimately they are vying for control over our wallets, its all about marketing, advertising and consumer manipulation. Thats what Xbox live was set-up for in the first damn place.

    Well I say screw that. No way i’m sticking with Microsoft going into the next gen. Just no way. I’m not a particularly big fan of Sony either, but if their machine is free from these nasty hassles and actually does focus on games, then that is where i’ll go.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. raftos

    @10 Speaking about wallets, I remembered what that guy of Gears of War said in his blog: “Vote with your wallets”, or something like that. Ican say my vote is not going to micro$oft anymore.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. mark_t50

    How can Harrison say it is ‘no different to how it works today’ and keep a straight face ?

    Example: my Brother has 4 Xbox’s in his house, 1 in the living room he uses, 2 in his twin boys bedroom and 1 in his daughters bedroom. They each have their own gamertag they use on their machines. Right now he can take the one BLOPS2 disk the family has and play it on his console and gamertag, but if one of his sons wants to play he can give them the disk and that son can play it on his own machine and gamertag and at the same time my Brother can stay signed in with his own gamertag and just play a different game on his machine in the livingroom.

    Now lets pretend these are Xbox One’s. If he buys call of duty 10 and installs it on his machine in the living room, it is now tied to his gamertag, he give the game to his son, but now that son cannot install and play the game on his own gamertag because it asks for the full price of the game, he has to sign in with his dad’s account, but now what happens to the dad’s machine in the living room if he wants to be signed in and playing a different game ? does he get booted off ?

    This whole ‘Game Ownership’ thing is a fiasco imho and what they have come out with so far simply seems to shit on families with a limited budget who share a family copy of a game. As for my brother, he’s now saving up for 4 PS4′s (So I hope to god Sony don’t follow suite).

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Sini

    Isn’t this the bold guy that launched ps3? what is he doing with new xbox.
    OMG, everything seems to make sense now with this shitty reveal.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. SplatteredHouse

    This is a joke. Pay twice on one bit of content – WHAAAT?! no.no. and NO. Don’t let them take things down that road. ESCALATION, have you heard of it? :( We’ve been enabling this crap. We’ve been enabling Microsoft not to have to directly address and #DEALWITH the Gamestops of the world. Haven’t consumers been set in place amidst the crossfire?

    “Harrison continued, “I can come to your house and I can put the disc into your machine and I can sign in as me and we can play the game.”
    Didn’t he just say that if he signed in as another user (i.e. not an authorised user in that household) then he would have to pay the fee. What a mess.

    #14 2 years ago
  15. ps3fanboy

    if you buy this and support it, you have put the death sentence on your gaming hobby.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. Dave Cook

    @15 sit down.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. Joe Musashi

    @14 “This is a joke. Pay twice on one bit of content – WHAAAT?! no.no.”

    No, you are not (and haven’t ever) paid for content. You’ve paid to have access to content. It’s a always been a very significant distinction and it’s a detail that’s key to this topic.

    JM

    #17 2 years ago
  18. MegaGeek1

    “So, think about how you use a disc that you own of an Xbox 360 game. If I buy the disc from a store, I use that disc in my machine, I can give that disc to my son and he can play it on his 360 in his room.”

    “If I am playing on that disc, which is installed to the hard drive on my Xbox One, everybody in my household who has permission to use my Xbox One can use that piece of content. I can give that piece of content to my son and he can play it on the same system.”

    Unless I’m misreading these quotes the whole thing sounds like classic executive rhetoric to me. He is contradicting himself in the same breath. In the first quote he says similar to the 360 one can use the disc on different systems, then he goes on to say that the only way to share a game is through different logins on the SAME system.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. fihar

    I’m confused.
    Does this mean I can’t play a game that my brother has bought and installed in his account using my own account in the same machine?

    Well that’s just bloody ridiculous.

    #19 2 years ago
  20. NinjaHart

    @17 But still, if you buy the game used, and they have to pay the used game fee, then gamers are punished for buying used games as they have to pay for the game 2 times.

    #20 2 years ago
  21. NinjaHart

    @19 You can play it on your machine as long as you are logged into HIS account, if you want to play the game from your account, you are going to have to pay the used-game fee to be able too.

    the games will be locked to everyon’s personal Xbox account or gamertag if you will.

    #21 2 years ago
  22. Fin

    @19

    I was going to say “no of course you can”, but then thought – well that’s essentially the same scenario as signing in on a friend’s console, your account would be on it, but they have to pay to play…

    Maybe they’ll have the concept of a home console or something, so everyone who signs in can play the content on that one?

    #22 2 years ago
  23. mightyhokie

    I don’t think it is clear at all. The way I read it:

    - if you buy a game you can play it on your system under your gamertag
    - if you let a friend use the game he can play it on his gamertag without paying a fee
    - if you buy a used games you can play it on your system without a fee
    - you must have a disk or digital rights to play the game, even if it is installed on your One

    Where i think the confusion is is that he uses the word ‘fee’. From what it sounds like to me he would have been better to say ‘purchase’. You have to have the disk or have the digital game on your system in order to play. You can’t just install the disk on a friends One, leave and take the disk, and that friend be able to play the game. He said ‘the disk is the key’.

    [edit] I just reread it again and saw the ‘when I take my disc home – or even if I leave it with you – if you want to continue to play that game [on your own profile] then you have to pay for it. ‘
    I think his statements are just plain confusing as shit. On one hand he makes it sound like its just like it is on the 360…you need the disk or the digital download key. On the other hand he just said even if a friend leaves his game there you have to pay if you want to play it on your account. He also said ‘anyone with access to your One at home can play that game’.

    None of this makes sense. Just say clearly ‘yes you have to pay a fee to play a used game’ or ‘no. if you buy a game and own the disk and that disk is in your One you can play it’.
    How freaking hard is that??

    #23 2 years ago
  24. wolverstreets

    Wow.

    I refuse to support a system that aims to destroy the entire used game market.

    You have any idea how many people that puts out of work? Not to mention just how shitty it is to do that to consumers?

    No way I’m buying an XBox One.

    #24 2 years ago

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    Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain will be released in September, according to an IGN Italy video, which also features Hideo Kojima discussing “With Metal Gear Solid 5, I’m finally “closing the loop” on the Metal Gear saga. The video has since been removed, but an image cap of the date is posted above. […]

  • Forza Horizon 2 Rockstar Energy Car Pack now available

    The Rockstar Energy Car Pack for Forza Horizon 2 for Xbox One is available now, alongside the free car for March. The free car is the Acura Integra Type-R, and the Rockstar pack included the following vehicles: 2014 Volkswagen Beetle GRC 2015 Subaru WRX STI 1996 BMW 850CSi 2015 Jaguar XFR-S 1970 Volkswagen #1107 Desert […]

  • 3DS firmware update kills web browser exploit

    Nintendo has issued a 3DS firmware update which fixes a web browser exploit that was being used to run pirated Game Boy Color ROMs since January as well as inject code within downloadable games. Another piece of code, per Eurogamer, changed the setting on the handheld to make it region-free. The exploit was only available […]

  • Unreal Tournament video shows updated textures on Outpost 23

    The latest footage from Epic’s new Unreal Tournament has surfaced, and it shows off the game’s first high-textured map which is called Outpost 23. As you can see from Zaccubus’ video, its the same are which Epic showed in the flythrough video from last year, only with updated textures and some new areas outside. The […]

  • Final add-on for Sunset Overdrive arrives in April

    The final add-on for Sunset Overdrive, Dawn of the Rise of the Fallen Machines, will be released in April. On April 1 to be exact. No, that’s not an April Fool’s joke from Insomniac Games either. Below, you can watch a fist-look at the new story, area, and traversal mechanic.

  • Heroes of the Storm playable at EGX Rezzed

    Heroes of the Storm will be playable at EGX Rezzed. This will be the first UK public hands-on with the online team brawler. Blizzard will also host giveaways and friendly tournaments at its stand. Tickets for all three days of Rezzed are still available, and you can purchase a pass through the official website. EGX […]

  • PES 2015 Data Pack 4 coming next week with Winter Transfers, new faces

    Data Pack 4 for Pro Evolution Soccer 2015 has been dated, and it updates the game with Winter Transfers, new player faces, and additional stadiums. The latest free update contains real-time player transfers made within the January window, and player ratings have also been updated. Additionally, a number of improved likenesses to key players will […]

  • Here’s the changelog for Dragon Age: Inquisition Patch 5

    Notes for upcoming Patch 5 for Dragon Age: Inquisition have been posted, noting improvements to gameplay and stability, and the new features outlined back in early February. Along with the new party storage system added to the Undercroft at Skyhold, players also have the ability to adjust the size of subtitles. Below you will find […]

  • Game of Thrones, Mortal Kombat X, Batman mobile games on the way

    Warner Bros. has announced free-to-play mobile titles spanning its DC Comics, Mortal Kombat and Game of Thrones properties. The following five new games under development are: Mortal Kombat X from NetherRealm Studios: The game blends fighting and card collection with cinematic gameplay and Fatalities. Play as both classic and fighters, and if you own the […]

  • Win! Beta access to new MMORPG Skyforge and DLC worth $70

    We have ten Wrath of the Gods Founders Packs to giveaway for new RPG Skyforge, worth over $70. All you need to do to win a Wrath of the Gods pack is enter your details in the form below and we’ll pick 10 winners at random on Thursday, March 5, after 3pm GMT. Skyforge is […]

  • PC gaming expected to be worth $35 billion by 2018

    PC gaming is alive and well. In fact, it’s expected to be worth $35 billion by 2018. According to game-business group Open Gaming Alliance, the PC gaming industry is expected to grow beyond its current $26 billion worth and to a massive $35 billion by the year 2018. The information is based on data collected […]

  • Advanced Warfare: new patch adds new weapon, Master Prestige ranks, more

    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare has received a new patch that gives season pass holders early access to a new weapon and everyone else a myriad of fixes and additions. The patch went live today on Xbox 360 and Xbox One, without any official notes. CharlieIntel reports that among the new additions is the new […]

  • Destiny’s end game and raids explained

    Destiny’s end game can be a bit obtuse to those not used to MMO games. Fear not, we’ve got a few quick tips on how to crack it. Arekkz Gaming has a video for new players of Destiny or those who are looking to brush up on their knowledge of the game. Today’s theme is […]

  • Capcom adds local co-op to Resident Evil: Revelations 2 on PC

    Following fan outrage over lack of local co-op support for the PC version of Resident Evil: Revelations 2, Capcom has now added it. Resident Evil: Revelations 2 now officially supports split-screen local co-op in both campaign and raid mode. The update is currently in beta on Steam, but anyone can opt-in to try it. Capcom […]

  • New Destiny glitch spawns infinite Thralls on Earth

    Destiny’s latest glitch spawns infinite Thralls to help fuel your bounty hunting and loot lust. The glitch is simple to replicate. You’ll need to start The Dark Within mission on Earth, on any difficulty. Then follow the steps in the video below (Via DualShockers) to get to an area out of the map. You’ll then […]

  • Battlefield 4 Winter Patch is here with new game mode, netcode improvements and more

    DICE has released the Winter Patch for Battlefield 4. The patch brings an eSports focus with new game mode Squad Obliteration and plenty more. Battlefield 4 Winter Patch is now live on all platforms. It’s just over 400MB on PC and 1.34GB on consoles. The patch adds new game mode Squad Obliteration and more customisation […]

  • HTC hopes to see Half-Life on VR headset Vive

    Vive manufacturer HTC said that it hopes to see Valve games, including Half-Life, on the virtual reality headset. Speaking to the BBC, HTC chairwoman Cher Wang said that Valve is keen on having its games available on the VR headset. “I think Valve’s best game is Dota, right, and Portal and [Team Fortress] and I […]

  • Make money easily in Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate

    If you’re looking to buy a fell set of armour for your character in Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate but keep falling short on Zenny, this video will show you an easy way to make lots of it. Arekkz Gaming has a very handy tip for all Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate players: how to make Zenny […]

  • This is how you claim free Xbox One games from your Xbox 360

    Microsoft is giving everyone the ability to claim their free Xbox One Games with Gold titles from their Xbox 360 console, even without owning an Xbox One. If you don’t yet own an Xbox One and want to make sure you don’t miss out on all those free Games with Gold games, you’ll be pleased […]

  • Destiny weekly reset for March 3: Heroic and Nightfall detailed

    Bungie has reset the weekly cap of Crucible and Vanguard marks and added new Heroic and Nightfall strikes, now with burn. From now until next Tuesday, the weekly Heroic strike will be The Devil’s Lair with Heroic and Lightswitch modifiers. As for the Nightfall, you’ll be fighting Sepiks Prime with the help of Arc burn. […]

  • Few Mass Effect FemShep cosplays are as elaborate as this one

    The internet is full of Female Commander Shepard cosplay from Mass Effect, but very few are as terrific as this one. Visual artist Freya Willia has spent over two years painstakingly creating the perfect suit of armour and the best weapons to make her cosplay of Female Shepard as authentic as possible, Omni tool and […]

  • Deals with Gold: Assassin’s Creed Unity, Red Dead Redemption and more discounted

    This week’s Deals with Gold titles for Xbox Live subscribers is a good mix of modern games and old favourites. The list of discounted games through this week’s Deals with Gold is live with discounts on Assassin’s Creed Unity, Amazing Spider-Man 2, Red Dead Redemption, Max Payne 3, and more. The deals are live now […]

  • Destiny guide: how to maximise your Grimoire Points

    Destiny players regularly compare the size of their Grimoire Points. Learn how to make yours the biggest. Destiny guide: how to earn Grimoire Points In Destiny, earning most Grimoire cards is just a matter of playing the game, maybe a little more attentively than usual. You’ll either need to complete a certain number of actions […]

  • Shovel Knight: Plague of Shadows will let you play as a baddie

    Shovel Knight owners will benefit from the generosity of Kickstarter backers quite soon. Because Shovel Knight was overfunded during its Kickstarter campaign, developer Yacht Club Games committed to releasing free content updates. The first of these, Plague of Shadows, has now been detailed. The expansion stars baddy Plague Knight, who turns on his former allies, […]

  • GTA controversies, from Hot Coffee to PR manipulation

    GTA has a long history of controversy. The latest Did You Know Gaming tells the full stories behind the sensational headlines. Grand Theft Auto is such a byword for controversy that it’s easy to forget the full context of what actually happened to bring mainstream press, politicians and interest group awareness to the Rockstar series. […]

  • Infamous 2 one of five new PlayStation Now additions for March

    PlayStation Now will expand to the tune of five new games this month. The March PS Now additions are Infamous 2, Twisted Metal, R-Type Dimensions, Alone in the Dark: Inferno and Operation Flashpoint: Red River. PS Now will set you back $20 per month or $45 for a three month subscription. It offers all you […]

  • Final Fantasy 10/10-2 HD Remaster gets PS4 release date

    Final Fantasy 10/10-2 HD Remaster hits PS4 in May. The PS4 release date for Final Fantasy 10/10-2 HD Remaster is May 12 in North America and May 15 in Europe. Gematsu reports a special pre-order bonus calendar with art by Yoshitaka Amano is available through the Square Enix Store and participating retailers. In Europe, pre-ordering […]

  • Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare getting 15 new Prestige levels

    Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare players can now aspire to the ranks of Grand Master Prestige. Advanced Warfare developer Sledgehammer Games will add 15 more Prestige levels to the latest Call of Duty, giving players at max XP a chance to grow even further. According to the Sledgehammer Games blog, when you enter Master level […]

  • Destiny: Crota’s End recreated in Minecraft

    Destiny’s toughest challenge gets even nastier if you throw Creepers into the mix. The ultimate Destiny challenge – for now – is the Crota’s End raid. Taking place in an alternate dimension accessed through the Hellmouth on the Moon, the Raid takes Guardians through a pit of darkness to the resting place of Crota himself. […]

  • Xenoblade Chronicles 3D trailer introduces the Heir to the Monado

    Xenoblade Chronicles 3D protagonist Shulk is the Heir to the Monado, his distinctive red sword. Let this trailer fill you in on what that means. Xenoblade Chronicles 3D releases for New 3DS on April 2 in Europe and April 10 in North America. As well as all the content of the Wii original, it has […]

  • The Elder Scrolls: Total War mod covers Morrowind, Oblivion and more

    The Elder Scrolls: Total War is a terrific mod allowing you get get intimately involved with the history of Bethesda’s detailed fantasy universe. The first release of The Elder Scrolls: Total War dropped on the weekend, giving players their first chance to try out LoRdNazgu1‘s creation. This version runs from 3E 427 to 4E 45, […]

  • Five Nights at Freddy’s 3 out now on Steam

    Five Nights at Freddy’s 3 is out now. Yes, we’re surprised too. You can grab Five Nights at Freddy’s 3 on Steam for $8. Developer Scott Cawthon really doesn’t mess about; the game was only announced in early January. Here’s the blurb: Thirty years after Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza closed it’s doors, the events that took […]

  • EVE Online heister makes off with $13,000 worth of goods

    EVE Online is a hotbed of villainy, espionage and backstabbing, but one intrepid corporate thief has made waves even in this setting. The thing about EVE Online is that it’s a true sandbox: the game’s rules are very loose, and allow players to make careers out of theft, piracy, assassination and espionage in addition to […]

  • Marth Amiibo getting a stock refresh in North America

    Nintendo of America has announced a fresh supply of the difficult to find Marth Amiibo. The Marth Amiibo will be back in stock in the US in late April, the platform holder said on Twitter today. Planning to pick up Code Name: S.T.E.A.M. and don’t have a Marth amiibo? More are headed to stores in […]

  • Skyrim beta update upgrades creation kit file size

    Skyrim has been granted a new beta update – more than three years after launch! – to improve the experience for modders and those who use them. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim released in November 2011. I think that’s worth noting before we discuss the beta update that dropped today, even as Bethesda is working […]

  • Paradox’s next epic RPG is, uh, Knights of Pen & Paper 2

    Knights of Pen & Paper 2 is very serious business so please enjoy this very serious trailer. “Return to the dicey world of Knights of Pen & Paper for a new turn-based adventure, where players get to take on the role of players, and also of the game’s encounter-designing, rules-laywering GM in a fully customizable […]

  • Amplitude looks amazing in new gameplay trailer, has a team multiplayer mode

    Amplitude may have been delayed but we still get something this March: a fine new gameplay trailer. Amplitude is coming to PlayStation 3 and PS4 sometime in northern summer. It’s a reprisal of Harmonix’s classic rhythm action game, a forerunner to its later efforts with Guitar Hero and Rock Band, and was crowdfunded. Update: Turns […]

  • DayZ creator’s “crazy”, “esoteric” next game developed with Improbable

    DayZ creator Dean “Rocket” Hall has dropped the first vague details of his new game project. “I do not want to make safe games. I do not want to make games the way we have been making them. What if the most experienced video game staff in the world collaborated on the most esoteric and […]

  • Battlefield Hardline will support AMD’s Mantle

    AMD has confirmed what most Battlefield fans thought. Battlefield Hardline will indeed support Mantle. Battlefield Hardline will support Mantle, AMD has confirmed. Some players weren’t sure whether the retail version of the game will support AMD’s API, due to its absence from the recent PC beta. AMD did not say whether the feature will be […]

  • Unreal Engine 4 GDC 2015 sizzle reel shows what the tech can do

    Unreal Engine 4 is a pretty versatile bit of tech, as this new sizzle reel shows. As one of the more ubiquitous engines, Unreal will be on show at GDC this week. Developer Epic produced the following sizzle reel to quickly demonstrate what it can do – cutting edge graphics (there are very few games […]

  • Survarium’s latest patch removes limit on battle ammo, rebalances experience gain

    The latest Survarium patch has readjusted the value of experience and reputation points gained and removed the limit to the maximum amount of ammo you can use in combat. Survarium developer Vostok Games has released patch 0.27a to the public, having recently finished testing it. The patch is a major one and covers changes to […]