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Diablo 3′s a “significant product,” but Torchlight 2 will offer more, says Schaefer

Tuesday, 18 September 2012 21:18 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

Diablo 3 is a “significant product,” from Blizzard, according to Runic CEO and former Blizzard man Max Schaefer, especially since it’s nearly “impossible” to meet the expectations of the Diablo community.


Speaking with IGN
, Schaefer said while Diablo 3 is a good product, in comparison, Torchlight 2 will offer players offline single-player and more replayability.

“First of all, I think [Blizzard'a] geting a bad rap. Meeting the expectations of the Diablo community is going to be impossible,” said Schaefer. “No matter what they do, it’s been 10 years and the expectations have built up so much. They’re going to run into criticism.

“They’ve actually put out a significant product there. But what I think we’re offering something that some players may prefer [with Torchlight 2], things like the offline single-player play. Basically, we’re not trying to create a secure economy. We don’t have to have these crazy protection mechanisms in place. We’re giving our development tools out with the game so that the modding community can go crazy with it and make all kinds of cool new stuff.”

Schaefer said there will be more randomization of dungeons and character customization with Torchlight compared to Diablo 3 as well.

“Some of the criticism of Diablo III was about how there isn’t really a lot of differentiation between builds of a character, because they all unlock the same skills at the same time,” he said. “There’s less of an opportunity to make a character that’s truly individual for you. I think that could have the possibility of reducing longevity, because once you’ve played through it with a character, there’s no particular reason to go through and try a different build.

“I think that we also have, maybe, a longer game at this point. More randomization. A little bit more replayability. I think that Diablo III focused a little more on super-polished mechanics and balance and look and art direction. They’re on a Blizzard level. They’re seriously good. But it’s at the expense, a little bit, of the replayability.”

Torchlight 2 is out this week on September 20.

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13 Comments

  1. BULArmy

    Dear Runic, you are starting to piss me off. Stop trying to sell your product like it is the second coming of Jesus and it will be the last game in that genre that we will need to play, ever. Ah and also all the subtle D3 hate is also not helping.

    Now, T2, I am excited for the game, because I am a sucker for this genre, but T2 is just an expansion of the first game and nothing more. I was in the beta and for me it is just fun for a lot of hours. Nothing mindblowing, just addiction the same way I am addicted to D3. Yes it don’t have bad DRM, but for me it is nothing so mindblowingly better then D3, as some ppl try to convince everybody. It is just a VERY nice upgrade to the first game.

    And now I will be a little D3 fanboy.

    Dear Mr. Schaefer, how much of a support will the game get. Because T1 got no, kein, nada, zilch? Because I am absolutely sure D3 support will be available for at least 5 more years and if nothing else Blizzard are the kings of post release support.

    #1 3 years ago
  2. Cobra951

    Since D3′s online lock is wholly unacceptable, T2 will be the only way I revisit this genre anytime soon. I hope it lives up to the promise. We shall see.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. wishdokta

    Someday, we’ll learn Schaefer and Roper being the same person.

    #3 3 years ago
  4. DSB

    Well, if nothing else, namedropping Diablo 3 will get you a bit more publicity than if you were just, you know, talking about your game.

    I love all the real advantages T2 has though. Offline play, mod tools, pets, humor.

    On the other hand it’s ugly to look at, and I personally felt like the whole attribute system was wasted on gameplay that wasn’t very detailed or complex in the beta.

    You’re kind of going Call of Duty mode against hordes of enemies, and it doesn’t make a lot of difference what they’re doing or you’re doing, as long as you’re moving and clicking.

    Do I really want to concern myself with attributes just to do that?

    I guess we’ll see once the full game hits.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. magnumfinger

    I hate it when former Blizz employees use the term “Diablo” over and over again to advertise their new game. Come on, you have your shot for the past 12 years, time to move on and stand with your own feet.

    Remember before Hellgate and Mythos arrives? Yeah, it’s the same B.S.

    As for Schaefer and the rest of the gang, I believe even if they’re the ones who developed D3 today, it’ll be the same. Sure, it may have retained its dark & gothic design with a better story line, but at the end of the day, it will still have the auction house and MMO-like feeling.

    And oh, remember, these folks were the ones who want to reveal Diablo 3 as early as 2005 and push it as an MMO. Imagine how worse could’ve that been?

    #5 3 years ago
  6. TheWulf

    @1

    Except they’re not doing that at all? Maybe you need to stop hating Torchlight II so much that you read entirely new things into it that weren’t there. There’s reading between the lines, and that’s bad enough, but then there’s rewriting those lines entirely.

    Also, trying to be clever like that is unbecoming, because you’re not really being clever. You’re being a bit of a brat. And that’s definitely not helpful to any kind of message you have.

    Blizzard dropped the ball on a lot of things, history speaks for itself. You can bring up things factually that were failures that have no subjectivity involved. Like the game being originally balanced to coerce RMAH use, or the connectivity issues, or the lack of modding and customisation. All of these are valid complaints. And on a subjective note, I felt that Act I was a real drag as well, and didn’t work well at all as an introduction to the game.

    Now, what he is saying is that Diablo III is a polished experience despite all that, but that it doesn’t offer things that some people might want. It really did lack a lot of customisation, it did so objectively. It was noted by a lot of people as being a Diablo Lite in and of itself. Some people like customisation and randomisation. Torchlight II will be the better product for them because of it.

    That’s what he’s saying. And I don’t doubt this.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. magnumfinger

    Tried playing TL1 and TL2′s beta, but I guess it’s not the right one for me, mainly because I can’t stand its graphics.

    The thing that worries me though is whenever I visit its forums at Runic, I feel like the community is dead. As in, I feel like the heat of this game would only last for 6 months. Then that’s it.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. TheWulf

    @4

    Did you think that Trine 2 and Project Giana were ugly, too? I understand that some people don’t like that style, but Torchlight has always pulled it off with a great degree of efficiency, and it’s always been visually coherent. You can make out what things are, and everything fits with a visual theme. If you’re in an area that has a certain kind of atmosphere, then the mobs and things in that area fit that theme.

    It does this better than Diablo III, in my opinion. Now, I’d call Diablo III utterly bland by comparison, and lacking in the level of visual cohesion (due to good art direction) that Torchlight has. But I’ve never called Diablo III ugly. ‘Ugly’ is just a very silly word. I find it a bit of a preschool word, to be honest, if you’re just throwing it out there.

    As far as ‘going Call of Duty against hordes of mobs’ is concerned. That’s bullshit. Straight up bullshit. And I have to call you on shitmongering, I wouldn’t be me if I didn’t. TotalBiscuit had a few impressions videos of the Torchlight II beta which you can look up on Youtube, and it shows enemies using strategies which you have to respond to in different ways. Such as avoiding poison fields, traps, ambushes, and looking for ‘tells’ when enemies are about to do specials. If you run in ‘Call of Duty style,’ you’re going to die.

    And that’s ignoring the fact that there are actually puzzle dungeons in this game. Ignoring is convenient, I know, but if you’re actually going to be fair, you should mention that there’s more than just smacking around mobs in this game (unlike similar games of the genre).

    #8 3 years ago
  9. TheWulf

    @7

    Despite the thriving mod community that’s continuing to make great content for Torchlight I?

    I hate bullshit. Roust all the shitmongers and string ‘em up!

    I’m sorry, it bugs me.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. TheWulf

    @5

    “I believe even if they’re the ones who developed D3 today, it’ll be the same.”

    Based upon… what? What the voices in your head tell you?

    “And oh, remember, these folks were the ones who want to reveal Diablo 3 as early as 2005 and push it as an MMO. Imagine how worse could’ve that been?”

    Sigh. No. No they aren’t.

    Seriously. The bullshit of Blizzard fans. You guys reek of it.

    #10 3 years ago
  11. iseeit

    I have all 5 classes done with diablo 3 inferno. Took me about 400 hours combined and sold all my gear at the end for a almost ten times the cost of the game. My profile name is “Narbs” if any of you want to check it out for my achievements etc.

    With that said, Diablo 3 is a fucking disaster. They killed Caine in act 1 for no significant reason, alienating every diablo 1 and 2 fan while spitting in their faces. That right their should sum it all up for folks. Anyone who defends diablo 3 as a worthy game to play for a long period of time is simply 1) on the blizzard payroll, most likely damage control hired out of indian telemarketter companies 2) diluted fool, who just bought the game less then 5 days ago so they are ignorant of the problems.

    I’m looking forward to torchlight because for 1/1000th of the resources (manpower, time spent in development, cost to produce, etc) you get a superior product. The actual levels the game takes place in ARE randomly generated. Every single map in diablo 3 is highly scripted, the waypoints are always in the same places and the exits/entrences are always located in the same exact locations on diablo 3 maps. The only thing “randomly generated” about the diablo 3 maps are the useless foliage like the rocks and barrels and even those are chosen from a predetermined roster of less then a dozen.

    I could go on and on but what’s the point. Anyone who takes their gaming and genres seriously already knows just how large of a disapointment diablo 3 is. And conversely, how superior of a product torchlight 2 is.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. Sini

    I can’t give two shits if single player is offline or not, was way more bothered by terrible main npc characters dialog. Terrible plot and writing.
    Having said that, every time I see the screenshots of this game it makes me think it’s some peasant version of diablo 3.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. magnumfinger

    TL2 = Hellgate in Disguise..

    and it will be irrelevant even before we hit the holidays..

    #13 3 years ago

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    Everybody’s Gone to the Rapture is just a “couple of weeks out from beta,” according to development studio The Chinese Room, and a release date will be announced “shortly.” To give you an idea of how development has been coming along since it was announced at gamescom 2013, the team has released a new trailer […]

  • GTA 5 on PC looks incredible, but I can’t recommend it to console players

    As much as Matt Martin loves GTA 5, he can’t recommend upgrading from console to PC just for a slick editing suite and even prettier graphics. “This is the third time in as many years that I’ve bought GTA 5.” I have a Grand Theft Auto 5 obsession, as I’m sure you know if you’ve […]

  • The Forest engine updated to Unity 5, major graphical and gameplay improvements made

    The Forest’s latest patch added substantial improvements to the game. The Forest version 0.16 is now live on Steam with plenty of new additions. The game has been ported over to Unity engine version 5. The plant and skin shaders have been replaced or rewritten. Many other visual tweaks have been made, such as model […]

  • Star Wars: Battlefront banner leaks from Star Wars Convention

    EA has been setting up the Battlefront booth at Star Wars Celebration, and one leaked picture shows what could be the game’s main art. Someone on Reddit posted a picture of the game banner at EA’s booth. Here it is: Lots of things happening here. There’s a Star Destroyer in the distance, TIE Fighters and […]

  • Get GTA 5 working with Oculus Rift using this tool

    There’s a way you can play GTA 5 in VR if you own an Oculus Rift Dev Kit and have a bit of cash to spare. VorpX, the go-to program for adding VR support to games has received an update recently to support GTA 5. This is far from perfect, as it only translates the […]

  • FIFA Ultimate Team: week of April 15 team revealed

    This week’s Team of the Week is now available for anyone to challenge in FIFA Ultimate Team. The team members get selected each week based on their performance during the weekend matches. You can fire up FIFA Ultimate Team on any platform and challenge this squad. You’ll also find some Team of the Week items […]

  • Deus Ex: Mankind Divided will let you stealth all encounters, including bosses

    Deus Ex: Mankind Divided will bring back one of the original game’s major features. Deus Ex: Human Revolution is considered by many to be a great game and worthy of bearing the franchise name. One of its grating issues though was its boss fights. You only had one way to fight them: be confrontational. The […]

  • Project Cars PC specs and supported wheels announced

    The release date of Project Cars is inching ever closer and more details have been revealed to answer all your burning questions. Project Cars developer Slightly Mad Studios has revealed the full list of supported steering wheels on all platforms, as well as the minimum and recommended PC specs. Minimum specs CPU – 2.66 GHz […]

  • GTA 5 gets custom FOV mod on PC

    Those not satisfied with GTA 5′s built-in field of view slider can use a new mod to push the number even further. The PC versions of GTA 5 – just like its PS4 and Xbox One counterparts – lets you switch between third and first-person view in shooting and driving. The game has an FOV […]

  • Win! GTA 5 on PC!

    Want to win a Steam key for Grand Theft Auto 5 on PC? Just enter here. GTA 5 released on PC this week and is going down a storm. We like it a lot, which is why we’re giving away a Steam code for Rockstar’s latest. All you need to do is enter your email […]

  • GTA 5 topples Skyrim’s record for highest concurrent players on Steam

    Not factoring in Valve games, GTA 5 is the new king of concurrent player numbers on Steam. GTA 5 is very popular on PC, even more popular than games like Skyrim in its heyday. The number of concurrent players for GTA 5 has peaked today at 301,246. This makes it the only non-Valve game to […]

  • Mortal Kombat X: what does a modern fighting game look like?

    Mortal Kombat continues to evolve as NetherRealm adds RPG systems and daily challenges to a solid fighting game, says Sherif Saed. “Mortal Kombat X takes many cues from games like Destiny, Call of Duty, and GTA Online with hourly, daily and weekly events.” For as many of its familiar facets, Mortal Kombat X has enough […]

  • J-Stars Victory VS+ coming west in June – new trailer

    J-Stars Victory VS+ will make the jump (see what I did there) to the west after all. J-Stars Victory VS+ is the western title for the fighting game which stars characters from a variety of Shonen Jump-published manga. Bandai Namco has announced the fighter will release in Europe on June 26 and in the Americas […]

  • Codemasters F1 license good through 2016

    Codemasters has at least one more F1 game in it. F1 2015 isn’t out yet, so Codemasters is naturally not talking about what it might get up to in the future. We do know what it can get up to, though; Codemasters’ Steven Embling told Videogamer has the option to continue the series. “We have […]

  • Project Cars has pretty deep graphics options on consoles

    Project Cars offers players a wide variety of ways to customise their graphic settings on PS4 and Xbox One. Project Cars is a graphics showcase and all early indications suggest it’s going to be one of the best-looking games out there. Slightly Mad’s commitment to graphics seems to go deeper than making things pretty, though: […]

  • Super Smash Bros. patch nerfs Diddy Kong – report

    Super Smash Bros. 3DS and Wii U is great but Diddy Kong is a beast and must be stopped. The latest Super Smash Bros. 3Ds and Wii U patch seems to have nerfed Diddy Kong, a character so over-powered that serious tournament players generate controversy by choosing to use him. Nintendo doesn’t publish patch notes, […]

  • Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel developer shuttered

    Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel developer 2K Australia has been closed down. Kotaku broke the news, and also had word from an anonymous source, who said that all staff have been let go. 2K responded to our request for comment with the following statement: We can confirm we have taken steps to begin the studio closure process […]

  • Samorost 3 trailer shows Amanita still in fine form

    Samorost 3 looks as delicately beautiful as its siblings. Samarost 3 developer Amanita Design has a reputation for gorgeous, slightly surreal world building. This new trailer for its latest adventure looks just as if not more lovely than the previous Samarost games and Botanicula. Samarost 3 is coming to Mac and PC later this year, […]

  • Amnesia dev’s new project SOMA now in beta

    SOMA is nearly here and I am torn between excitement and horrified dread. SOMA is the latest horror project from Frictional, the team behind Amnesia: The Dark Descent. We’re pretty excited to see what Frictional comes up with next, and we won’t have too long to wait, apparently; the developer has announced that SOMA is […]

  • Steam Guard mobile authenticator now in beta testing

    Steam is now testing its latest security measure. Steam helps you protect your account by offering two-factor authentication, a solution so beautifully elegant and effective that it’s astounding every gaming network doesn’t do the same (looking at you, Sony). Valve’s version is called Steam Guard, and it works via email. This isn’t always super convenient, […]

  • Godzilla battles Mothra in new trailer

    Godzilla lets you stomp around cities and battle classic kaiju. I’m in. Godzilla is coming to PlayStation 3 and PS4 in early July, but we haven’t seen a great deal of it since its December reveal. The new trailer below gives you an idea of just what Natsume has done with one of the biggest […]

  • Tales of Zestiria to launch this year – new trailer

    Tales of Zestiria continues Bandai Namco’s delightful new habit of bringing the popular JRPG series to the west before the shine wears off. Tales of Zestiria is coming west in northern autumn, the publisher has announced. That’s not a bad turnaround, given it first hit Japan in January, and localisation of text-heavy titles is expensive […]

  • Project Cars release date locked down, new trailer released

    Project Cars finally has a release date. Project Cars will release on May 8, Bandai Namco UK has announced. We haven’t yet had an update from Namco Bandai’s other regional offices, but its probably safe to bet the racer will release around the same time in the Americas, Europe and ANZ region. We can now […]

  • Attack on Titan: Humanity in Chains trailer shows combat, online multiplayer

    Attack on Titan: Humanity in Chains has plenty to offer fans of the anime. Previously known as Attack on Titan: The Last Wings of Mankind, the Spike Chunsoft action game is coming west thanks to Atlus. Gematsu reports it’s due in both Europe and North America in May, via the 3DS eShop. The trailer below […]

  • Bloodborne stamina recovery rate affected by equip weight

    Bloodborne players have unearthed an important gameplay detail not mentioned in the game’s menus or manual. In Bloodborne, players need to manage their stamina carefully for best results. A far more aggressively-tuned affair than past Souls games, Bloodborne does away with equip weight limits, and items have no listed weight details. As far as players […]

  • Street Fighter’s Ryu, Fire Emblem’s Roy spotted in Super Smash Bros. patch – rumour

    Street Fighter’s Ryu is rumoured for future Super Smash bros DLC following datamining of the latest patch. Super Smash Bros. 3DS and Wii U were updated recently, and hacker shinyquagsire23 claims to have found some interesting files while poking around in the 3DS patch data. As detailed on Reddit, the audio files included a new […]

  • Suikoden 3 PEGI rating suggests PS2 Classic re-release

    Suikoden. Suikoden 2. And now: Suikoden 3. Suikoden 3 has been rated by PEGI for PlayStation 3, presumably ahead of an upcoming re-release. Gematsu turned up the rating, and although we have no further information at this time, it’s not much a leap to assume the RPG will turn up as a PS2 Classic on […]

  • Star Wars Battlefront gameplay reveal to be streamed live, new Instagram tease

    The Star Wars Battlefront gameplay reveal will be live-streamed during a panel hosted by EA as part of the Star Wars Celebration festivities this Friday. This is according to an announcement from Verizon and Disney courtesy of MP1ST. The main stream for the event kicks off at 10am PDT/1pm EDT on Thursday, April 16. It […]

  • GameStop to launch retro game and console trade-in experiment

    GameStop wants to get into the retro game and console business, providing it’s a worthwhile endeavor. To test the possibility, it will soon allow customers in Birmingham, Alabama and New York City to trade-in classic consoles and games in-store. Speaking with IGN, a spokesperson for the company said the initiative will kick off on April […]

  • Battlefield Hardline’s first patch addresses five priority issues requested by the community

    Battlefield Hardline’s first patch is in the works, and today, Visceral Games has added Punkbuster and Nvidia DirectX driver fixes to the list of issues to be addressed. Miscellaneous fixes for “the most frequent crashes” will be included in the patch, as well as the following “top five priority” issues voiced by the community. Punkbuster […]

  • GTA 5 user videos: Franklin’s exploits, a traffic jam tickle our funny bone

    Since GTA 5 was released on PC this week, the amount of videos being created with the new editing tools are releasing at a quick rate. Below, are three in particular I found amusing. The first one is from James McVinnie, originally posted on Reddit, showing what occurs after he happens upon vehicles in a […]

  • Invisible Inc. is coming to PS4 and has left Steam Early Access

    Invisible Inc., from Don’t Starve developers Klei Entertainment, has been announced for PlayStation 4 and the game has also a release date on PC. The game has now left Steam Early Access and will arrive on PC May 12. Per a post from studio founder Jamie Cheng on the PS Blog, the game will contain […]

  • Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare Ascendance DLC dated for PC and PlayStation

    The Ascendance DLC pack for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare now has a release date for PC, PlayStation 3 and PS4. It contains four new maps, the OHM 2-in-1 directed energy light machine gun, the OHM Werewolf custom variant, and the new Exo Grapple ability and playlist. The Infection episode of the exo Zombies saga […]

  • Killing Floor 2 PC specs and Digital Deluxe Edition contents announced by Tripwire

    A Digital Deluxe Edition for Killing Floor 2 along with PC specs for the title have been announced, along with the new of a Steam Early Access launch later this month. According to Tripwire Interactive, the Digital Deluxe Edition will run you $39.99/£26.99/€36.99 starting on April 21 on Steam. This edition contains the following additions […]

  • Content in Wolfenstein: The Old Blood tips its hat to Return to Castle Wolfenstein

    Wolfenstein: The Old Blood, the standalone prequel to last year’s Wolfenstein: The New Order, will contain a few nods to the franchise classic Return to Castle Wolfenstein, according to the developers. According to developer MachineGames, the setting works “well with the pulp B-movie thing we’re going for,” and created a prequel instead of DLC for […]

  • Bloodborne is the latest to receive the Honest Game Trailers treatment

    Smosh Games has released another entry in its Honest Game Trailers series, and this time, it’s poking Bloodborne. According to the trailer, the game is “more disturbing” than the scene in South Park: The Stick of Truth where you are “crushed by your own Dad’s balls.” It also has more “stupid top hats than a […]