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Geohot denies responsibility in PSN hacking

Thursday, 28th April 2011 15:34 GMT By Johnny Cullen

George ‘Geohot’ Hotz has denied responsibility in the downtime PlayStation Network has received following an external intrusion by hackers last week.

Hotz admitted he had sympathy for those who had their personal data stolen by hackers, adding that whoever brought the network down made the hacking community “look bad.”

“I feel for everyone who’s data has been stolen. I’m not going to make cracks at Sony for flipping a shit when /their/ data is compromised, and not even having the decency to apologize when it’s your data that’s misappropriated,” he said on his blog.

“And to anyone who thinks I was involved in any way with this, I’m not crazy, and would prefer to not have the FBI knocking on my door. Running homebrew and exploring security on your devices is cool, hacking into someone elses server and stealing databases of user info is not cool. You make the hacking community look bad, even if it is aimed at douches like Sony.”

Hotz insists if blame should be placed at Sony, it should be placed at the executives, not the engineering team.

“Also, let’s not fault the Sony engineers for this, the same way I do not fault the engineers who designed the BMG rootkit. The fault lies with the executives who declared a war on hackers, laughed at the idea of people penetrating the fortress that once was Sony, whined incessantly about piracy, and kept hiring more lawyers when they really needed to hire good security experts. Alienating the hacker community is not a good idea.”

He also admits to plans of an alternative to PSN, but “recent events” – those being his lawsuit against Sony – led the idea to being canned.

“One of the things I was contemplating back in early January was a PSN alternative, a place for jailbroken consoles to download homebrew and game without messing up anyone else’s experience. Unfortunately events led me off of that path, but gamers, if I had succeeded you would have a place to game online with your PS3 right now.

“I’m one of the good guys. I used to play games online on PC, I hated cheaters then and I hate them now.”

Hotz was the one who exposed the PS3′s root key in January which led busted open the machine to piracy. Sony issued a lawsuit towards Hotz and other hackers, but settled earlier this month, details of which are confidential.

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25 Comments

  1. tdrules

    Sad thing is Sony did a great job of demonising this guy as the cause of all Sony’s customer’s problems, but the points he makes are incredibly true.

    *never advocated piracy, encouraged homebrew
    *never advocated the hacking into of Sony’s servers to access user’s data
    *as usual, the executives are plain stupid, declaring their war on piracy has solved nothing, just like when companies such as Ubisoft integrate intrusive DRM that is then cracked and consistently punishes paying customers.

    #1 4 years ago
  2. Phoenixblight

    ““One of the things I was contemplating back in early January was a PSN alternative, a place for jailbroken consoles to download homebrew and game without messing up anyone else’s experience. Unfortunately events led me off of that path, but gamers, if I had succeeded you would have a place to game online with your PS3 right now.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UJ9Ggs3Dkk&feature=player_detailpage#t=31s

    #2 4 years ago
  3. KrazyKraut

    An Art of War lesson : Wag the dog

    #3 4 years ago
  4. ManuOtaku

    “Also, let’s not fault the Sony engineers for this, the same way I do not fault the engineers who designed the BMG rootkit. The fault lies with the executives who declared a war on hackers, laughed at the idea of people penetrating the fortress that once was Sony, whined incessantly about piracy, and kept hiring more lawyers when they really needed to hire good security experts. Alienating the hacker community is not a good idea.”

    Call me crazy but seeing this whole thing, and with the info that has been released so far about the low security levels on PSN, i think he is right on the money.

    #4 4 years ago
  5. NeoSquall

    The twat denies people used work illegally published by himself (the PS3 rootkey) to build a CFW able to hack into PSN and essentially wank at all the user datas.

    Sounds fine.

    #5 4 years ago
  6. Christopher Jack

    This kid is fall of himself, his real reason of hacking the PS3 was because he felt Sony were egging him on – real mature.

    Then he knowingly acts without consulting Sony or any lawyers about publishing an exploit that will allow any ‘black hat’ hacker infinite access to the PS3, among other integrated services, which unfortunately for us includes the PSN. I blame him entirely for all of this, even the removal of Other OS was his fault.

    There’s a reason why the PS3 is (well was) closed off & that’s entirely because of ‘black hat’ hackers, so you don’t simply tear down that wall allowing the sole reason it was built loose.- That’s like building a zombie wall then having a guy tear it down because him & bunch of guys wanted something insignificant from outside the wall while letting all the zombies inside of what was once a safe city.

    #6 4 years ago
  7. ManuOtaku

    To all of the guys that blame Geo for this Hack, i tell you i dont blame Mr Fermi for the Nuclear blast of hiroshima and nagasaki, that will be for the person that approved that bombings, that was good or right is not for me to decide, because that was a very critical moment in human history and is not easy to take position in it, but i dont blame Mr fermi at all, he is the leastest one that should be blame about it, even if himself could not forgive himself about it.

    #7 4 years ago
  8. SlayerGT

    Has anyone confirmed their info taken?

    #8 4 years ago
  9. Christopher Jack

    @7, But Enrico Fermi didn’t whore out his knowledge for any scum other than the US government to exploit. GeoHot showed the entire world how to build their own Atomic Bomb- Metaphorically speaking, obviously.

    #9 4 years ago
  10. mathare92

    This is the analogy I’d use:

    Hotz examined the blueprint of this supposedly “impenetrable” bank. He gathered data, made calculations and experimented with different ideas, until he had found the perfect, ingenious master-plan to get through it’s security and consequently straight into the vault.

    Obviously though, he isn’t “a criminal” and hence wouldn’t dare try using this masterplan to steal whatever is in the bank. Yet, his ego wouldn’t allow him to stay quiet about it either. So he tells the world that he has found the breakthrough and publishes his “master plan” (bear with me) for all to see.

    The people who run the bank (Sony) are outraged. Yet, instead of tightening up their flawed security and filling the gaping holes, they occupy themselves with going after Hotz. He must be punished, they say, forgetting about those who might actually put Hotz’s plan into practice. The rest is history.

    /analogy

    #10 4 years ago
  11. lexph3re

    I was just about to say the same chris. Its a difference in the 2 peoples choices, when 1 built it for a specific governments use. Another built it to prove he could do it. Then gave it away freely amoungst a community he knows is not fully trustworthy. He’s trying to avoid taking the blame on this but it very much is his fault. If he really wanted a small community of cfw hackers to do what they wanted outside of psn. All he had to do was create it distribute an existing firmware that enables his servers with little about psns security.

    It would be a remote community by invite only and would have been under sonys radar. But, that’s not what he really wanted. He wanted recognition and now he wants to justify the bomb he gave to a terrorist to set off in the mist of psns community. Guess what in a court room he would be found guilty as an accomplise. He was not forced he was completely willing. The same way it works with a bank robbery. Doesn’t matter if you weren’t the one with the plan you still tagged along for the ride

    #11 4 years ago
  12. ManuOtaku

    #9 i agree, but in the end is everyone decision to use that information, and hey are responsable for the purpose of what they do with it, and IMHO the atomic bomb building process did spread to other people/nations , and i dont blame the someone who did leak the information neither, whomever it was, i know this example is not accurate because what Fermi did was a discovery of a tech without using others invention or property, that is very different from what GEO did, but i did put this example because i want to state the hackers who did this are the ones responsable not GEO even though he did gave the key he didnt gave the purpose, thats everyones decision IMO.

    And another thing sony knowing that this Key was in everyones hands, they should also tight up the security a little bit or act accordingly to do the rebuild of the PSN prior the hacker attack.

    #12 4 years ago
  13. lexph3re

    @10 remember they did try and patch the hole. That’s what the firmware updates were for. But, hotz and them kept bypassing them from the cfw so what they had to do was go straight for the data that they stole and compromised. And, knowing good ole hotz I doubt a please hand over your work would’ve sufficed. No person in their right mind will ever willingly give up their baby so why would hotz give up the thing that’s gonna make him famous?

    Sony did both not just 1. I don’t see where people get this idea that sony just half assed everything. The only half assing so far was the email I received today*sigh* that was a bit of a let down to get that while I’ve been following this since os removal.smh

    #13 4 years ago
  14. ManuOtaku

    #11 “Then gave it away freely amoungst a community he knows is not fully trustworthy”.
    In my eyes any government in the world is not trustworthy either, each one has its particulars goals, and they are rule by a bunch of people, which is the same as what GEO did, give it to a bunch of people that will use it as its own discretion and will.

    #14 4 years ago
  15. Alakratt

    This was taken from another blog but it has to be mentioned:

    “I mean, really, what’s the goal here? Is Anonymous trying to show game companies that they don’t have the right to protect their consumers and developers from hackers? When is it going to stop? Why not go after the governments that made it illegal to sell R4 cards in stores? Why not go after Infinity Ward for releasing patches to stop people from using modded controllers? Why not go after Bungie for banning people who used the Halo 2 hack? Are they going to go after Microsoft for console banning all those who modded their Xbox 360s? Are issues such as these going to be ones that Anonymous plans to continue fighting?”

    sauce: http://vividgamer.com/2011/04/28/is-anonymous-fighting-for-gamers-or-just-hackers/2/

    #15 4 years ago
  16. urbz2011

    First were blaming anonymous now where blaming Geohotz whos next to blame the blind guy across the street? How bout you find the person who actually did it instead of blaming ppl who you think did it.

    #16 4 years ago
  17. Neq

    Is he kidding me?

    Sony made a wall to protect PS3. Hacker tried for so long to take it down but didn’t even scratched it. And then Geohot brought to them enormous hammer (key) and they just destroyed that wall to pieces with it.

    Is it is not you fault hmmm? Give up with that stupid excuses and please shut up. You have done enough.

    #17 4 years ago
  18. NeoSquall

    @17 “Is it is not you fault hmmm? Give up with that stupid excuses and please die. You have done enough.”

    fix’d

    #18 4 years ago
  19. Gekidami

    @15
    Thats a good read, and i agree. Its pretty sad to see comments saying “Sony asked for it” simply because they tried to protect their product and customers. Have we really arrived at the point where even in entertainment, we can be bullied and terrorized to the point where we either let criminal activity happen, ‘or else’ ?

    #19 4 years ago
  20. Gama_888

    not gunna bother reading, title says enough for me

    fuckoff geohot, if you hadnt published the key this would not have happened.

    you asshole

    #20 4 years ago
  21. Bluscope

    You know what? It’s getting to the point where I just want to beat him with my PS3 whilst laughing at his haircut.

    #21 4 years ago
  22. gamestx

    @20..

    I second you.. stop helping this Geocold with his publicity campaign. Getting tired of this. If you’re desperate to play homebrew games, go buy a modded 360, Wii or something. Leave us paying gamers who support original games and the industry alone.

    #22 4 years ago
  23. TheWulf

    @4

    Exactly.

    @6

    Good job. Do you also blame cancer, world inflation, the greenhouse effect, and rising petrol costs on him, too?

    You’re a patently ridiculous person, and at this point I don’t know whether you’re just filled with hate and misinformation, or whether you’re one of the most talented trolls I’ve ever had the misfortune of meeting.

    Anyway, good job spreading FUD and bullshit, there. Sony has non-existent security, doesn’t bother to hire security experts, is hacked by a kid, and then everything is the fault of the curious kid. Right. What a fucked up world you live in, man.

    If Sony valued their security, none of this would’ve happened, but they thought that they could solve this with spamming lawyers like lemmings at the problems they were facing. That didn’t bloody work, did it? And now Sony apologists like you are crying about their mistakes, and trying to pin the blame on anyone. Anyone at all.

    How about blaming me, next? Would you like to do that? Maybe Gandhi had a hand in it too. Anything but it being Sony’s fault for their lack of interest in having good security for their systems, right?

    Some people make me sick. :|

    @16

    Again. Exactly. This is just how some sick little console jockeys get their jollies. They can’t face that their daddy corporation actually made a mistake and didn’t bother with security at all. No, it’s the fault of everyone but their daddy corporation, because daddy can do no wrong. They’ll point the finger of blame anywhere except where it truly belongs.

    @17

    More bullshit FUD. You apologists seem to like your bullshit FUD.

    It’s bullshit FUD because Sony didn’t bother with any form of security at all for their network – they thought that the PS3 was an impregnable fortress, so they were lazy. They were lazy and cheap. They didn’t bother to secure things at all. Essentially their network was an open whore to anyone who wanted to penetrate it, and there’s no one to blame for this but Sony.

    The only people who’re hurting Sony are Sony, and you apologists with your nonsensical reasoning and bullshit FUD won’t change that.

    @21

    So you fail to understand the situation and you want to respond to it by clubbing people with your beloved PS3? Oh, we are so evolved as a race, there aren’t any people still around who’re intellectually stunted to the point of essentially being cavemen. No Sir. None.

    Great show. You just put a dent in my faith in humanity.

    @22

    If you knew what was going on, you’d place your blame somewhere other than GeoHot. Yet people keep hating and hating without actually having the first damn clue. Typical.

    #23 4 years ago
  24. Christopher Jack

    @23, You misunderstand me.
    My point is entirely based on the exploit, IF this PSN hack was done through GeoHot’z exploit, I do think he’s just as responsible as Sony for this situation – without him publishing it, no one would be complaining & we’d all be happy playing online without our private info being compromised.

    I know that it’s a ‘Point A to Point B’ example but surely he must have known what he was doing before publishing an exploit that circumvents a working security system that costs millions of dollars to develop to prevent hacking in the first place.

    In a digital age, hackers are worst than pirates. I know that hackers aren’t bad, but one or 2 bad exceptions can cost a company, or even worst us consumers possibly millions of dollars.

    Either he’s ignorant of his consequences or just doesn’t care, either way we suffer & he’s off the hook with barely a slap on his hand, now PSN is in the same situation as XBL was a few years back – in control by the hackers.

    #24 4 years ago
  25. Robert

    @23 Lovely to meet you too Mr Hostility, it’s called over exaggeration do you honestly delude yourself by thinking that I actually seek out and beat people with electronics?

    I was attempting to make light of the situation, I didn’t factor in the opinions of an overdramatic inane twit. You’re not in a soap opera sir, so get off of your highchair and grow up, then you may attempt to insult me.

    #25 4 years ago

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