GOING LOCO: Hacker Hotz feels heat, hides in South America

@46 couldn’t agree more

Ok, ummm, fleeing like this just makes him look guilty. WTF is in those HDDs??

Trying to reason with someone who is clearly a narrow-minded, bigoted racist is not really worth it.

@39

I was commenting on the way TEA used the term steal, as if something was taken away from Sony. But yeah, I guess my wording was crap too.

Look, this whole thing is sonys fault, for not putting enough gray matter on which applications should came since launch with the equipment, without damaging the consumers, an electronic device like all things in the world evolve,in order to have more applications, not less like this case, if you took an application out of a device that you promoted since launch day, that will be fully supported during its lifetime , is deceiving consumers,as soon as sony did realize the big mistake they made, they should opt for the non-damaging consumers choice, sony should solve it without tooking said application (OtherS). period, this thing gave an excuse, so is there fault for not launching, a very expensive one by the way, a console with all the pros and cons list.

Hotz is simply awesome.

I hope Sony waste a fortune tracking him down but never catch him. Those tossers deserve to be publicly humiliated at the hand of the underdog for leaving a gaping hole in thier security and whining like little bitches when the inevitable crack happened.

In fact, even better would be for the courts to rule in Hotz’ favour and Sony have to pay him a fortune in compensation for harrasment! That would be perfect justice! xD

O.G. it clearly states that if you violate the user agreement you will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. So why can’t people find its the right thing SONY are doing. They pay fee’s to protect their property. You think those laws are a joke? Over in europe the have no code of honor but in USA we strive to be the best. We give the benefit of doubt that he was innocent, but when you go around claiming you did it and now try to cover your ass?… this kid needs to be taught a lesson and made an example out of. Thats what SONY is doing. Not killing his family.

I never saw SONY put out a rap video saying Hotz we’re coming to get you. Hotz did that saying SONY fuck you try your best I’m untouchable and then flees the country! WHO IS WRONG HERE O.G.? Forget the M$ BS RROD issue this is a different case and whether you want to believe it or not I know several XBOTS who have bought a PS3 and jailbroke it so they could run pirated PS3 exclusives. Word gets around fast now that social networks have taken off. Everyone and their grandmother knows about the exploit and many have used it.

It doesn’t matter if you steal a dime or a dollar from me O.G. I would still consider you a thief and my enemy and the feeling would be mutual if it we’re vice versa. For all those people you claim may have hacked the PS3 from the beginning who’s not to say all those random PS3 updates weren’t targeted for them secretly. Think about that…. At least they didn’t go making rap videos bragging about it.

Love you George,,, Hope everythings be ok soon

@39

“I was commenting on the way TEA used the term steal, as if something was taken away from Sony. But yeah, I guess my wording was crap too”.

No we all know what you meant don’t try and cover your ass now XBOT

this is bad for sony but will not change anything.
if ppl still buy Call Of Duty game its mean 20milion ppl dont care who make them and what happend in devolpment.
ppl will still buy ps3 xbox360 game and console not matter what the company did to make them work and poblished.
human kind is dumb as hell, shit happend, and in this life time it will be foroget in a day or a week tops and then every thing will be back to normal stupidty….

makes me glad i never owned, nor will i ever own anything from sony…and i mean not buying. technically nobody really seems to “own” anything from sony

Nathan Drake won’t save you, Georgie.

In fact, I think he’ll be the one pursuing you there.

@55

“In fact, even better would be for the courts to rule in Hotz’ favour and Sony have to pay him a fortune in compensation for harrasment! That would be perfect justice! xD”

That won’t happen as he has now turned tail and fled the country. The courts if anything will dismiss the case because defendant is simply not there or it will go right to Sony which to me seems like Sony is aiming for publicly humiliating this kid which they have done so especially with him going to South America because of things on his HD.

He does realize that fleeing the country, deleting content from his HDDs and not wantin to comply with the court doesn’t make him look innocent, right?

I’d not be surprised if there was content on those drives that’d lead to either more court cases or more serious charges.

Who created that account? Are they sure it was geohot and are they sure it wasnt Sony falsifying their own records?

This whole things is terribly wrong. I am sure many more ppl viewed his sites and were interested in the hack from around the world than there were in califronia. Also, why is the case already taking place in california when the jurisdiction hasnt even been shown to belong there? Why is it a california judge that gets to rule on whats been going on so far and why is it a california judge that decides whether its a california case or not? Should it not be taking place in the more obvious location of where hotz lives?

@60, You act as if Sony are the only corporation who has gone after the ‘little guy’, If you have ever owned anything from any corporation, that would make you a hypocrite for your childish statement, that includes Apple, Nintendo, Microsoft, LG, Samsung, blah, blah, blah…
The only reason you’re hearing so much about this particular case is because of it’s relevance to gaming & the previous claims that the PS3 was unhackable & while cracking it was an incredible feat, it applies to the age old rule ‘Just because you can, doesn’t mean you Should’.

I see the point your trying to make Tea, and I can agree with you on some of it. Go read my first post here.

I said I felt Sony is going overboard. Making Hotz a scapegoat, making him into an example. And I thought it would make Sony look bad.

I think that is 100% true. Sometimes it isn’t always about right and wrong. Esp when the publics focus is going to be on the meassured response.

Islamic law states that a women whne in public can not show too much of her skin. If she does she can be beaten, raped, and even killed. The outcry from us won’t be weather or not that the woman in question did or didn’t break the law. The outcry will be should she or shouldn’t she be killed over it.

Yes I know an extreme example. But I will not argue that Hotz is a poor descision maker, nor will I argue that he may well have broken the law. I will raise a question about ruining his life over it.

I’m flabbergasted quite frankly.

Why is TEA still allowed to post on these forums?

He should be banned.

Crysis learn how to ignore the people who know they won’t get the last laugh after all but just want to stir shit. Its pretty obvious that anyone who is against SONY doing what they are doing have weak arguments to back up their reasons.

@66, I agree to some extent, but this kid obviously won’t learn his lesson, Apple tried suing him but failed, but he continued on until he got sued by Sony, & while he was clearly in trouble then the smug bastard made a claim about targeting the Xperia Play, made a rap video about it & has ruined Sony’s comparatively high credibility.
A slap on the wrist clearly wouldn’t work, Apple’s failed attempt was that slap.

@Crysis

Funny thing is, if Hotz had gone to Sony privately and told them how he hacked into PSN and where the flaws were, they’d have prolly given him a job.

Crysis none of this is about teaching Hotz a lesson.

And Sony never had high credibility, remember the PSone launch and turning your systems upside down to get them to read games? And thats just one stain. Most, prolly all of the bigger corperations have a long list of people they stepped all over.

No one is going to be able to change Hotz, or the thousands of others just like him. All Sony is responsible for and will be judged for is how they handle the situation.

Anyway ima head over to play some actual games instead of just chatting about them.

Yes. Sony made Hotz run off to the jungle. Weep for him. I guess when he farts that’s Sony’s fault too.

Internet Law + Internet Melodrama = INFINILOL

He should make another Rap video to explain why he ran away.

@71, My Dawn of War 2: Retribution keeps crashing after every game! That’s why I’m often chatting on here

“I said I felt Sony is going overboard. Making Hotz a scapegoat, making him into an example. And I thought it would make Sony look bad”.

Key words is “I thought” ….O.G. you are one person around here who’s actions contradicts your words a lot. (hello kidde pool thread as a great example) If someone broke into your car O.G. and took it for a joy ride but returned it in full good condition would you just sue him for the gas he wasted or the principle he STOLE YOUR CAR?!

“Islamic law states that a women whne in public can not show too much of her skin. If she does she can be beaten, raped, and even killed. The outcry from us won’t be weather or not that the woman in question did or didn’t break the law. The outcry will be should she or shouldn’t she be killed over it”.

That’s Islamic law. Its a religious belief that we have no control over and I won’t consider that the same as this matter with Hotz. What is wrong with you dude seriously? Do you not see the difference in that. That was a wrong comparison on so many levels and I won’t even go near that to dissect the horrible comparisons you just made.

“Hotz is a poor descision maker, nor will I argue that he may well have broken the law. I will raise a question about ruining his life over it”.

Ohhh ok he’s a poor decision maker but not a bad guy. He should have stayed anonymous and still released the exploit to the world and in that case he would have been a hero in your book. The only person who is ruining their life is Hotz. If you’re so blind to see that then I don’t know what else I can say.

This isn’t a movie O.G. this isn’t Catch Me If You Can. The guy broke the law and now he’s fled the country because he knows what he did was wrong. Hell he might have even committed other crimes for all we know whats on those HDD’s. The guy is a criminal plain and simple and if you or any of these other dip shits on the site can clear his name then go to California and fight SONY in court without your precious defendant sitting next to you and watch you go down with him.

I say we all chip in and put a bounty on his head and get him back to face justice!

@73 His next rap is gonna be in Esperanto!

And so the ongoing drama surrounding a little twat and his hacking continues. Next episode: ‘GeoHotz’ goes to Somalia to learn how to be a pirate. Can’t wait.

@70 Yeah, like Norio Ohga, former President and CEO of Sony, who got a job after he criticised the quality of Sony tape recorders.

@76 lol

Things to take note of:
the hack never made piracy directly possible. In order to pirate a game you had to make an app that allowed for piracy using the key that was discovered and published.
At that point you are breaking the law and being immorral. Neither Hotz nor the other hackers ever made such a piece of software.

Jail breaking computers you own is common these days. In the case of the iPhone it was even found to be totally legal.

Sure, Hotz acts like an asshole, but that isn’t against the law either.

In any event the way some people paint him out to be some kind of mass murderer (or equal to one) is fairly absurd.
Pretty much every piece of hardware out there has been cracked open, it doesn’t matter.

I love being called an Xbot, it reminds me of the sort of insults children used to throw on playgrounds. Tea is just as ignorant as a child too.

#79 Freek, well what you say is true, in order to pirate the game, you need to run one more application, one he did not made public, he only made public the key to open the PS3, in order for example enable other s, so i agree with your comment, very spot on.

lol…what u folks expected?
“he did not make the programs public to run isos”

no….but why everyone wanted to jailbreak the ps3? To run 1000th snes9x on a console? plz folks, most of the hackers are egocentric and stupid. Hope he get his right punishment for all the shit he made.

Actutally, a big reason why so many people bought the PS3 was because they had the promise of OtherOS and the ability to install Linux on it. Sony said that they would never remove it as it was a big selling point of the console, but then decided to patch it out citing security concerns but never revealing what those security concerns where ( at least to my knowledge anyway).

Part of the reason why the PS3 has been hammered on the recent hacks is because of this. So many consoles where bricked because of the update and a lot of people who were running Linux on it where pissed that Sony had bricked their consoles. I’m pretty sure this was in, in part, a response by Hotz to this. Not keeping up on this, so can’t be 100%.

Now Sony are being sued in one of the Nordic countries (sweden I think), because changing the terms so it removes a selling point is illegal in that country, and since they didn’t offer any recompense to those who bought it to install Linux on is a big kick in the teeth.

#83, also in Norway, and for the exact same reason, deceiving the consumers for an action called bite and switch, for the rest of your comment, i cannot said it better, those are my thoughs exactly. nice read

He messed up. He did something illegal. He is now running from the punishment for it. Sorry, but i don’t see any reason to defend this guy no matter how Serious Sony takes this.

If i committed a hit and run. The cops caught up to me and i was proven guilty, you think they would slap a sticker on my back that says “Stupid, don’t break the law” and send me on my way…No, i would get 2yrs in jail and be charged $10,000.
If i was caught speeding, do i get a ticket that says “Please be nice and think of others first”? No. I get a ticket, a court date, and get charged $500.

This guy, hacked Sony’s security, which they pay lots of money to have protected under the law, and then shared the know how to the world over the internet. Its one thing to mod your own console, its another to exploit its entire security measure and share with the whole world for people to fuck with.
He is fleeing in order to save himself the consequences of the actions he committed without thinking first. Sony isn’t ruining his life and they aren’t forcing him to run and hide. He took the matters lightly, laughed/spit in Sony’s face, and his arrogance made him blind to the possibilities that he might be held accountable for his actions for his actions.

For the record, I don’t care who wins or loses this battle. I couldn’t care less. But, for any of you to defend a person who clearly broke the law, spat in the face of the company that financed this law, and then proceeded to gloat about it all over the internet, is laughable.

@83
2 wrongs dont make a right.
Also, like ive said in previous comments on the subject, if it was truly the LINUX removal with the OtherOS removal, why not just hack the system to allow this ability. If that was truly his intended purpose in the matter, it could have been done to just that extent instead of releasing the entire root key to the general public.

@83, OtherOS was removed because of hacking, what was their excuse prior to that? If you want to blame anyone for it’s removal, blame the likes of George Hotz.

#86 with all due respect, do you know which were his true intentions, his intended purposes?, i think no one can, but one can assume that if his intentions were piracy, for example, he can also divulge the applications needed to do so, but no, he only divulge the key to open it.

Like i said it before this whole thing is sonys fault, for not putting enough gray matter on which applications should came since launch with the ps3; An electronic device like all things in the world, evolve, therefore to do so the manufactures put more applications on said devices, not less and/or taking them like this case, if you took an application out of a device that you promoted since launch day and one that will be fully supported during its lifetime cycle , is not other thing than deceiving the consumers, as soon as sony did realize the big mistake they made, they should opt for the non-damaging consumers choice, sony should solve it without tooking said application (OtherS). period, this thing gave an excuse (and a right one if you ask me), so is their fault for not launching a console, a very expensive one by the way, without doing all the pros and cons list, that was such a big misscues for a big multi million dollar corporation.

So for me what Geo Did was foolish, because he did made the thing public by his name, and not anonymusly, and what sony did (took away other s), without any compensation whatsoever to consumer, was indeed wrong,this of course in the eyes of the consumers(myself included), you may agree or not, but it was plain and simple wrong.
Have a nice rest of the day

I don’t know what’s funniest about this thread.

The fact that only a handful of people posting have even the remotest understanding of this whole situation and the legal statuses related the issues in question… or the fact that TEA has been countlessly been called out in this thread for his ignorance, stupidity, and juvenile attitude… but still think his opinion is relevant.

It’s entertaining, either way.

I think it would be a great idea if Sony releases the PS4 with Google Chrome OS preinstalled & the NGP with Android preinstalled, Given Sony’s & Google’s relationship that doesn’t seem out of the question, but I really, REALLY doubt the NGP will get official Android support, but it’ll definitely be hacked to down the line given it’s phone-like architecture.

#89, most of the time what is legally right, doesnt mean is the right thing to do, and in the U.S.A , this is more relevant than in any other countries, And the people that made the law(and those who paid them), also made the tricks in order to avoid it.

@86 & 87

I never said it was right, and I also said I wasn’t 100% sure. What I do know is that the PS3 wasn’t really attacked until Sony removed the ability to install Linux. After that it got hammered. Sure, people where trying to find ways around the Hypervisor but with only limited success on a software level. Other people took to the soldering iron route to try and break it on a hardware level, but with very limited success.

Hotz got the ‘master key’, but he stupidly put his name against it when he posted it to the world. I’m not saying what he done was right, but Sony have turned this into a witchhunt. The people who are really to blame for this, in my eyes, are sony themselves. If you remove a selling point of a console, brick thousands of consoles and force them back to 3.50 or whatever the update was, and then don’t offer any compensation is going to the communities back up. That is what Sony has done. I know several people who only bought the PS3 to install Linux, only to have that option forcibly removed from them without Sony saying why its been removed.

I don’t know whats more pathetic. The fact that you have too many screen names or your life. Spider I agree with you 100% but xbots will naturally disagree of course.

You gotta laugh, though.

No, jailbreaking your equipment is not only for piracy. There are many legitimate uses that often expand the capability beyond the manufacturers specifications.
Cool interface hacks for the iPhone, emulation (as has been mentioned here), homebrew software. And excelent almost proffesional level software like the XBMC mod for the original Xbox. It turned it into a great multimedia machine, better even then the official Windows media server. And still better then the Xbox 360 can do today.

That shit’s hilarious!

I think Sony can stop now.

@94: Did laugh.

I’m seriously considering putting together a bounty team to hunt this bastard down. He must have left out of either Laguardia, Newark, or JFK airport unless he went to another state and caught the flight there. I say we hunt this bastard down Dog bounty Hunter style with bear mace and blond haired twins with big tits. I really want to catch this son of bitch and deliver him on a silver platter to SONY pig tied with an apple stuffed in his mouth.

At the bare minimum Hotz should do a rap duet with Kevin Butler, apologizing for what he did & bigging up Sony

Anyone else curious on how he was able to get a last minute flight to south america as a 22 year old? Lol this guy mustve been doing some serious hussling or using all that hard owned donations the saps gave him to flee. He must’ve been getting a lot of money these last couple years. There’s no way anyone can say this guy is for them when he bailed out the one thing that could’ve saved him. This kid is a legendary idiot

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