Here. Looks like an exclusive quote from Dave Perry's lunch in SF last week.
"That's an upheaval because right now retail PC [gaming] is in dire straits," said Raph Koster, designer of Ultima Online and Star Wars: Galaxies. "There are some exceptions but overall you look at audience reach, quantity of games made and creativity of games, and the web is kicking the console industry's ass."
He added: "I actually think Flash is the next-gen console in a lot of ways. It's pointing the way to the future more-so than the current generations of hardware, precisely because it is well on its way to becoming completely ubiquitous."
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