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More developers working on PS4 product than any other console

Tuesday, 18th February 2014 16:03 GMT By Phil Owen

Games Industry has posted the results of a poll of more than 2500 attendees at last year’s GDC which says that more of these developers (20 percent) are working on game products for the PlayStation 4 than any other currently supported console.

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The poll said 17 percent were working on Xbox One games, 14 percent for PS3, 12 percent for Xbox 360 and just 4 percent for Wii U. Around half stated their work is heading to the PC, with about the same response for mobile devices.

The percentages account for multiplatform releases, as thee questions in the poll referred to any platform the developer’s next game would be released on.

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  1. Panthro

    What percentage was PC?

    #1 8 months ago
  2. OlderGamer

    3%? Lets watch people get worked up over 3%

    #2 8 months ago
  3. Booraz

    @Panthro over 52%

    #3 8 months ago
  4. Panthro

    @Booraz

    Not too bad for a platform with no exclusives

    #4 8 months ago
  5. TheWulf

    @1

    You’ve a lot of people working on the PC because they have no choice, despite how friendly they may seem, the console gatekeepers still keep things too hostile for most things to pass. I still feel sad that console owners have yet to play Megabyte Punch.

    So I always think that the PC is going to have a substantial amount of indies and small devs releasing stuff for it because there are no gatekeepers, and there’s plenty of evidence of that, too. Look at something like Double Fine’s Amnesia Fortnight, there’s just no way you could do that on a console.

    You can’t just compile and release for a console. It’s not a limitation of the hardware itself, it’s just because the consoles have schizophrenic, paranoid gatekeepers that want to control everything.

    You want to release something direct to the console without going through the three month vetting process? You’ll doom us all! Do you want the cyberterrorists to win? DO YOU??? They’ll hack all of our Internets, pirate all of our things, and then there won’t be a console to sell things on!!!

    But the PC seems to be doing oka–

    REASON DOES NOT INVALIDATE MY ARGUMENT. FOOL!!

    I just look forward to the day when consumers turn their back on consoles once and for all. I still say that consoles are a tax on those who don’t do the math, because the savings you get on a PC (due to the lack of royalties) are enough to pay the difference so, so many times over, within a short period.

    I don’t hate consoles, just FYI. I just dislike closed systems and gatekeepers. It isn’t fair to developers.

    @2

    I know, right? It’s just a minor exclusivity difference.

    #5 8 months ago
  6. SlayerGT

    @OlderGamer The more interesting, or shocking rather, is the 4%..that are working on WiiU. Nintendo are in a weird way man. Doesn’t look good.

    #6 8 months ago
  7. OlderGamer

    To be expected I think GT. Nintendo is going to support the system. Beyond that it prolly isn’t going to receive much support.

    #7 8 months ago
  8. SlayerGT

    @OlderGamer It’s just disappointing.

    #8 8 months ago
  9. OlderGamer

    I agree GT, I like the system. And after playing on the X1 and even on the PS4, I don’t think the WiiU was as out to lunch as people thought it would be. I think it has more then enough graphics to compete.

    But it is what it is.

    Nintendo should have released the system two or three years earlier, or waited(put a bit more Ram in the thing) and released it after X1 and PS4. Really the industry wide anticipation of the X1 and PS4 is what stifled the WiiU, imo. But those systems are a mess, not even on par with a medium range PC from a couple years ago.

    #9 8 months ago
  10. Joe Musashi

    “Really the industry wide anticipation of the X1 and PS4 is what stifled the WiiU, imo.”

    Nintendo are to blame for Nintendo’s current position.

    JM

    #10 8 months ago
  11. Dragon

    I remember the grandiose claims made by few here about Wii U. When the failure was confirmed, another prediction from them was how PS4 and X1 were due a similar fate, adding that their industry predictions were spot on most of the time (like Patcher).

    Glad they were wrong. Good consoles are doing fine, PC is doing fine. Only gimmicks aren’t selling.

    #11 8 months ago
  12. Dragon

    “But those systems are a mess, not even on par with a medium range PC from a couple years ago.”
    Yeah, right. And Wii U isn’t even par with a 7 year old entry level PC.

    And then,
    “I think it (Wii U) has more then enough graphics to compete.”

    Such great contradictions. Bravo. Your earlier predictions were spot on though about the success of Wii U and failure of PS4/X1.

    #12 8 months ago
  13. Legendaryboss

    I have ask because no one else has, how many of those developers are indies? Not that I have anything against Indies but i think the playing field between PS4 & Xbox One would be more or less equal. But support is support i guess.

    As for Wii U, Blame Nintendo. As for PS Vita, Blame Sony. Same situation, no amount of supposed system sellers will save them or is going to save them. Granted if Mario Kart 8 & Smash Bros does something i will happily eat those words but for now thats how it stands. There really is no need to bring in scapegoats to detract from who is at fault here.

    #13 8 months ago
  14. polygem

    @Dragon
    Go Go Go Go Go!
    YOU SHOW THEM!

    #14 8 months ago
  15. OlderGamer

    Well Dragon, I am not ready at this point to call WiiU a failure. I would say it has disappointing sales numbers. I would say that industry wide support is also disappointing. But, I still enjoy the system and its games. In much the same way I don’t consider the Sega Saturn, Neo Geo AES, or Turbo Duo to be failures. Those systems had some the best software for their day. WiiU has Super Mario World 3D.

    It is one of those classic statements that people talk about quality vs sales numbers. Look at the line up of PS3 exclusives, frequently outsold by both Nintendo and MS exclusives. But it doesn’t mean that those PS3 games were bad games. They just didn’t sell as Sony might have hoped. I can think of all types of things that sell well, but you nor I like them. Wii sold great, did you like it? Lady Gaga sells well, I wouldn’t listen to that if I was given free copies.

    And round and round goes the wheel.

    Just saying failure is a bit over used. I would say disappointing.

    #15 8 months ago
  16. Dragon

    @OlderGamer,
    Oh no no. You said PS4 and X1 will sell as bad as Wii U, and that entire console industry is a downturn. Your spin on Wii U numbers was pretty hilarious too.

    And well, many other things like how Sony would leave console market before Nintendo. And of course, you proclaimed that your predictions are pretty much spot on always.

    Please. As LB said, Nintendo is woefully out of touch with home console market, hence the Wii U failure, same case with Sony on Vita.
    Both are failures, Nintendo and Sony admit it, hardly matters if biased people don’t.
    Although, you should maybe exercise some restraint next time before making such grandiose claims which are just opposite of what happens. Just an advice.

    Have a good day.

    @LB,
    I would say easily most of them are indies, hence we are seeing results skewed towards PC and mobile. All big games come to consoles and PC.

    #16 8 months ago
  17. polygem

    @Dragon

    maybe you just have to be a little more patient sometimes? you´re always so shortsighted. it can be sad or impressive, depending on how you want to look at it.

    nintendo is not “woefully out of touch” with the homeconsole market, they only released an awesome and unique system that noone seems to want. that´s bad but it doesn´t mean that your conclusion, or “analysis” of that situation is fitting, in fact it only sounds pretty childish and yeah, narrowminded.

    also, this is an internet forum where people talk out of their asses about videogames, for the fun of it. it doesn´t need perma-smartasses who constantly try to compare dicksizes. in real life you´d be way too shy for that anyway.

    people say things one day and then other things the other day and that´s ok on a page like this, noone´s planning nuclear bomb drops here, this is about fun, not competition. try to get that into your head.

    #17 8 months ago
  18. Djoenz

    @Polygem
    Don’t be a fucking hypocrite and follow your own advice please. You are truly full of yourself. I tried to ignore you the past few days but man come on dude. Grow up.

    #18 8 months ago
  19. polygem

    @Djoenz
    i´m sorry…

    #19 8 months ago
  20. Legendaryboss

    @polygem I can’t tell if thats genuine or not, in regards to that response to Dragon: Of course it is, its only fitting right?

    #20 8 months ago
  21. Djoenz

    @polygem
    Im just saying man nothing personal. On one hand you try to act you dont care what other people say about your personal preferences but on the other hand you posting threads and what not trying to reach out to ppl and it feels like you are doing it desperately too.

    I dont understand man what you are trying to accomplish here.

    Take your own advice and fuck the drama just post for fun. A lot of members here take things way too seriously lmao. Its not like we know eachother in real life.

    You are exactly what you are condemning even if you dont recognise that. Im just saying. No one is perfect and you dont even have to care what Im saying, but based on what you post on the net man these are my observations.

    From the beginning we couldnt see eye to eye on many occassions. Im not sure if you remember any of that shit, but I always could conversate with you without trolling. I hope you know that lol. Lately man you changed for the worst.

    #21 8 months ago
  22. polygem

    @Legendaryboss
    it´s genuine. i don´t want that people feel like they have to ignore my posts because they can´t stand my posting style…but well, i guess that´s how it is and they will have to live with it :)
    i´m still sorry about that though, especially because i really really tried to be more thoughtful with my posts recently – most of the time.

    #22 8 months ago
  23. polygem

    @Djoenz
    i see this page as a news page and a forum to talk about videogames and i use it as such. when i post topics in the forum, i want to discuss about these things. simple as that and i wish that people would use it more. i know the taste of some long time posters here and i appreciate their opinions, that´s about it, nothing more to be interpretated into that. no attention seeking involved. just the dream of a great community :) i also have a new pc and a lot of time atm :) /don´t worry though, by the end of march i´ll be much more busy again.
    i wish there would be less HARHAR told you so, my brand is better than your brand crap though. that always hits a nerve.

    #23 8 months ago
  24. OlderGamer

    ” You said PS4 and X1 will sell as bad as Wii U,” Never said Will sell as bad. I am very careful about stuff like that. I said could also sell poorly. And if I recall right, WiiU sold 3.4ish million during its launch window. X1 has sold 3.9million during a similar window.

    It was shortly after the launch of the WiiU that sales fell flat. Lets see what happens to X1 now that the thing is in the wilds post launch. I don’t think it picks up much till after a price cut, or rebundling w/o Kinect.

    ” and that entire console industry is a downturn.”

    It is in a down turn. VG247 just did a piece on sales of software being very poor despite a new generation launch. I think that the consoles are losing market share. Sometimes it isn’t about pure numbers for the sake of numbers. Numbers don’t mean much without context. For example a million units sold isn’t the significance it was a few years ago. I think we need to look at %s, profit margins, and such. I don’t think games are going anywhere, but I think the audience is moving around some. And I think the delivery is changing. And I think that has to give somewhere. One place I think it gives is the general masses.

    WiiU sold to the core Nintendo fans, X1 and PS4 are doing the same thing now. What I wondered was what the sales will be like post launches. And I still wonder that. Will the average joe shmoe be willing to plop down 400/500usd on a next gen system when he/she already owns a PS360 or a mobile or a PC? The same audience hasn’t purchased the WiiU, for example.

    See this is the wheel that I was talking about. You just want to hate on me. Label me a “Nintendo guy”, whatever the fuck that means and pile on the hate. I like a lot more then Nintendo games dude. I even have one of your coveted Sony Systems in my living room. But if you had to label me anything, as I have said before, I play the PC. And who the hell cares what I play? Why use a game I play, a toy I use to define, mold, and shape me into something you can hate on? While I am flattered you seem to have such a hard on for me all of the time, I really don’t swing that way. Sorry.

    Do us both a favor and stop twisting shit. No one cares(except maybe LB – we both know he just ran for the popcorn ;) )

    Ok lastly:

    “And well, many other things like how Sony would leave console market before Nintendo. And of course, you proclaimed that your predictions are pretty much spot on always.”

    I never claim to be all knowing and I always label my pov as an opinion. My two cents. etc. Just keep in mind Nintendos Gameboy is a console. A handheld console. Had PS4 not been well received or if it didn’t sell, no doubt in my mind that Sony would try and exit the game biz. I am sure Google, Apple or Amazon would be interested in buying the PS biz/game IPs. But it wasn’t some grand claim where I said it will come to pass, Nostradomus style. Why would I say that Sony is on shaky ground pre PS4 launch…have you seen their credit rating? It wasn’t some wild fanboi driven rage. I will leave those to you.

    And a good day to you too.

    #24 8 months ago
  25. Legendaryboss

    @OlderGamer Wow! “except maybe LB – we both know he just ran for the popcorn ;) )” Respect! Funny that, I’m actually hungry right now and popcorn won’t do, i need to quench my hunger something else. And i’m more interested in Hollyoaks right now, than this.

    @Polygem
    Right.

    #25 8 months ago
  26. Djoenz

    @polygem
    Thats my point man haha why does it hit a nerve? Because sometimes they are right? You wont acknowledge the fact sometimes they are right and you lost?

    For one if someone is right I will acknowledge it and walk away defeated and admit that person got the better of me. I wont be ashamed. When someone is not right or is being fake as hell or post bullshit only then I would speak my mind. But I would never drag it too far or get too personal. Its a waste of time.

    Lately Ive seen some people here bickering with eachother back and forth. Its really ridiculous.

    #26 8 months ago
  27. Djoenz

    @OlderGamer

    OG you were a massive pessimist about the next gen consoles, yet they sold like hotcakes and even broke records. Why would these new consoles even break records if consoles were supposedly in a decline.

    Triple AAA games costs too much etc.. TBH I havent crossed over to next gen myself neither has Dragon, but consoles arent going anywhere. Let me tell you there are millions of ppl (a lot of my friends too) that are still on current gen.

    A lot of people are waiting for the right game or right time to go next gen.
    Consoles arent done.

    Some people are just stubborn as hell it seems. Some people cant admit they were wrong. Still in denial. Wii did big time because of family approach, but those consumers have gone to tablets and mobile.

    Its Nintendo’s own fault. Now with WiiU they try to get back but the only ones left are the hardcore fans they basically alienated because of the Wii.

    I still remember the Gamecube they should have sticked to that formula or released two Wii’s at the time. One for the family nonsense and one for the dedicated fans. With the WiiU it was already too late.

    #27 8 months ago
  28. Legendaryboss

    @Djoenz I thought i was amongst the only ones who noticed that, interesting.

    #28 8 months ago
  29. Dragon

    @OlderGamer,
    ” And if I recall right, WiiU sold 3.4ish million during its launch window. X1 has sold 3.9million during a similar window.”
    Thanks for proving my point about twisting Wii U numbers like always. Wii U didn’t even shipped 3 million in 4 months. X1 shipped 3.9 million in less than 2 months.
    Same? No. Your numbers need heavy revision.

    “It is in a down turn. VG247 just did a piece on sales of software being very poor despite a new generation launch.”
    You joking? VG247 did no piece. You may be referring to NPD US numbers. If you are, then I am sorry to tell you that you absolutely have no idea how sales work. Gfk, NPD etc. all track only retail numbers, and digital are a very big part now. And newsflash, they are growing tremendously.
    ” I think we need to look at %s, profit margins, and such. ”
    Ok. Sony made $170 million right from the start of PS4 launch, way better than PS3 launch. MS also profited, way better than 360 launch.
    So, what “downturn” are you talking about? Except obviously nintendo which started Wii U with a loss, way worse than Wii.

    As for the rest you say, you are a hardcore nintendo fan. Everyone knows that. Your grandiose predictions say that. Really, you don’t need me telling you that.

    For the rest, just read Djoenz’s brilliant post. You cannot bash nintendo. I say the truth about everyone.
    I am such a big fanboy that I haven’t even bought PS4 like Djoenz. Silly me.

    #29 8 months ago
  30. Dragon

    @Djoenz , LB,
    The denial is strong on this one :lol:

    #30 8 months ago
  31. polygem

    @Djoenz
    i can acknowledge if someone else is right and i was wrong, in fact i´ve done that many times but you know, sometimes it´s a bit tricky. let me use an example. dragon says the wiiu is a failure and he predicted so. that it has a gimmick noone wants and that the good consoles do sell while the wiiu doesn´t…how in the world can i agree with something like that or acknowledge that he´s right. it´s impossible. it´s a clusterfuck mixture of unfulfilled teeny powerfantasies, flamebaiting and shortsighted conclusions and that´s why i call it exactly that. he´s not right. the wiiu is no failure, the gamepad is not a gimmick, and the competition does sell better than the wiu but that doesn´t make them the “good” consoles, you see the problem here? i see it.
    -
    i was wrong a few years ago that nintendo has lost it, was going for the casual, only had boring stuff on offer. i then bought a damn wii and look at the situation today, people now call ME the nintendo fan, it´s kind of funny really. i can acknowledge when i was wrong but i wont surrender to flawed conclusions.
    -
    also, i´ve never seen og as pessimistic and i absolutely have no clue where that impression is coming from. being negative about something does not mean someone is pessimistc, criticising things doesn´t mean that you are pessimistic. only if you hate you can love.
    -
    what´s depressing on this page is the fanboy shit. it just is.

    #31 8 months ago
  32. Dragon

    Oh, and this-
    http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/02/18/ps4-is-selling-so-much-faster-than-ps3-ps2-and-ps1-that-its-not-even-a-competition/

    Console market is in such a downfall :lol:
    Sometimes, as Djoenz said, people can just accept they were wrong. But something stops them.

    #32 8 months ago
  33. polygem

    “As for the rest you say, you are a hardcore nintendo fan. Everyone knows that.”

    would you please stop this agressive bullshit. call people idiots if you feel like that, that´s much more tolerable than spreading the same stupid lie every fucking day. be straight forward you little coward. stop this sneaky bullshit finally. one day you´ll get banned for that kid. my prediciton.

    #33 8 months ago
  34. Dragon

    :LOL:

    #34 8 months ago
  35. Dragon

    “A guy who lacks self-control”
    Thanks for proving my point.
    :lol:

    #35 8 months ago
  36. polygem

    @Dragon
    thanks for proving mine because you clearly don´t have a point :)
    .again.

    off topic: off playing dayz now (addiction), might check this interesting thread later. you can read into this info that i am whoring for your attention or you can read it as what it is. communication.

    #36 8 months ago
  37. Joe Musashi

    If Nintendo were selling a Wii U for every lie and piece of immature spin in the childish comments above..

    ..well, this news article would probably look quite different.

    JM

    #37 8 months ago
  38. OlderGamer

    Dragon where did I say the PS4 was doing poorly? Maybe you didn’t buy it yet, but I did. I rather like it, am just waiting for better software to come out for it.

    It wasn’t that many years ago when the sales of a million units was considered a smash hit. Now, depending on the game/situation it isn’t. I have read where it can take some games 3 million to break even. Context. This relates to the crap you are spewing because the game market is much larger then it used. So expectations are higher that a system will sell more units then it once did at launch. Of course the PS4 is selling well, and out pacing the PSx and the PS2. The X1 should be out pacing the XB360 as well. The potential for the new systems to sell is much higher then it was for say a PSx. There are just more gamers today. The industry has gone mass market. What doesn’t make sense about that?

    Then how the CONSOLE downturn?

    They are losing market share to PC and Mobile.

    I think it is possible that the consoles(as we currently know them) will pretty much be left barren outside of mega franchises in a handful of years. You can already see a sizable shift in talent and production away from big blockbuster AAA games with the rise of indie games. I feel indie games could possibly replace the middle tier and smaller games, they are vital to the new consoles. Leaving the big budget stuff. That is fine, but that could cut out a lot of the market. Those folks will continue to go to Tablets/Laptops/Phones. I think that is already happening. The evidence is everywhere stuff like the Flappy Bird story. A lot of people play those games.

    That is what I mean by the audience moving around. When more people game on mobile then on a console that does have significance. Again, that is happening now.

    Look in simple terms:

    If only core gamers buy the new systems, and there are more core gamers today then there used to be, doesn’t it stand to reason that the new systems will sell a great number of systems?

    Sure.

    But just like there are more core gamers today, there are also more casual and mass market gamers then there used be. A lot more. In PSx days it was just us nerds in dark rooms playing Loaded or Battle Arena Toshinden. Now the mass market gamers greatly out number the core gamers. Those mass market guys(often where the money is), those are the ones that I wonder about. Entirely possible that those folks will never buy either X1 or PS4. If they stick with Moble or older systems…then that is what I am talking about.

    You can’t look at straight numbers. They only tell part of the picture.

    Do me a favor, stop responding unless you have something new and or constructive to say. Because I am getting tired of trying to repackage this thing for you so you can maybe understand what I am saying or get where I am coming from. Your a smart guy, you get it. You just want to fight and win the internet.

    #38 8 months ago
  39. Djoenz

    @OlderGamer
    Seriously OG?
    You really think that there are hardcore gamers that solely play on mobiles/tablets?
    You really think those customers also doesnt have consoles?
    You really think those people are people that werent driven away from the Wii’s initial market pool?

    Those gamers are basically most of the Wii’s casual customers. Anyone who is a hardcore gamer that solely plays on mobiles/tablets arent real gamers in the first place IMO. They would be better off on PC.

    What you are talking about are casual gamers in the first place I reckon. And most of them had a Wii.

    The rest who plays on mobile/tablets also have a pc or console.

    LMAO OG.

    #39 8 months ago
  40. Djoenz

    @OlderGamer
    Part 2.
    You have some valid points. Triple A titles seem to have overblown budgets (IMO mostly due to marketing) and with each generation it becomes harder to produce them.

    The gaming industry and devs are focusing on indies because they see the potential there. Mostly cashcows. Some indies are gems but most are cashcows.

    But not for one second will or can I believe indie games or mobile/tablet gaming will ever replace consoles. If that happens we all off to PC I guess, but that wont happen anytime soon.

    Metro Last Light did not have a big budget if Im not mistaken and the game is gorgeous.
    Devs can overcome this big budget issue. Perhaps make games even shorter.

    There is a reason why Sony and Microsoft pursue the indie branch because they cant afford to miss out, but never would casual games replace console gaming.

    Enough people that want to play on TV.
    GTA V.
    COD etc.

    #40 8 months ago
  41. Dragon

    @OlderGamer,
    Keep spinning. You still just cannot admit how wrong your predictions were.
    “You can’t look at straight numbers. They only tell part of the picture.”
    lolwut? Your full picture doesn’t include any numbers, just needless hyperbole backed by not even an iota of real market evidence. Mine is. Its easy to see which approach can predict better.

    “where did I say the PS4 was doing poorly?”
    You said both PS4 and X1 will do badly since Wii U did. Backing out now?

    And you know, maybe you should first and learn to make some constructive analysis based on some real world data and not needless hyperbole and company bias. Your comments make much more sense when they aren’t related to sales analysis.

    Have a second good day.

    #41 8 months ago
  42. OlderGamer

    “You really think that there are hardcore gamers that solely play on mobiles/tablets?”

    I never said that DJ.

    #42 8 months ago
  43. OlderGamer

    DJ, I also never said the current tablets/phones will replace consoles. That isn’t what losing market share means. It isn’t a one or the other situation. Reread this:

    ME:
    “I think it is possible that the consoles(as we currently know them) will pretty much be left barren outside of mega franchises in a handful of years. You can already see a sizable shift in talent and production away from big blockbuster AAA games with the rise of indie games. I feel indie games could possibly replace the middle tier and smaller games, they are vital to the new consoles. Leaving the big budget stuff. That is fine, but that could cut out a lot of the market. Those folks will continue to go to Tablets/Laptops/Phones. I think that is already happening. The evidence is everywhere stuff like the Flappy Bird story. A lot of people play those games.

    That is what I mean by the audience moving around. When more people game on mobile then on a console that does have significance. Again, that is happening now.”

    Consoles ballooned up. I think that burst and a lot gamers lost interest. I don’t think they will dominate as they once did. All I am saying. I think they continue to lose market share and the entire thing readjusts itself. Ofc the whole thing could be in for a shake up again if consoles become mobile devices capable of connecting to your TV and using a wireless gamepad all the while equaling the graphics quality of a traditional console. And I think that is very possible. But that is why I said consoles as we currently know them. Because I think the whole things is headed for change. But that is best saved for another post.

    The problem I have, have always had is that some folks read extremes in everything I type. I say consoles are losing market share and someone thinks I said consoles are doomed. I say I wonder how they will sell (next gen systems)past the launch windows and someone thinks I predicted they WON’T sell at all. I say I like Nintendo games and someone thinks I hate everything else. Nothing new.

    #43 8 months ago
  44. Djoenz

    @OlderGamer
    I see I jumped to conclusion too soon.
    Middle tier games and smaller games would eventually be replaced in your opinion by indies. People would divert to mobile/tablets. Consoles losing market share and you wonder how they will sell post launch say next year?

    Well we’ll see. Im not that pessimistic.

    #44 8 months ago

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