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Xbox One must go online every day, will play used games

Thursday, 6th June 2013 23:36 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Microsoft has broken its Xbox One silence to answer the most burning questions. Yes: you need to be online every day. No: the Kinect won’t record you. Maybe: you can have some used games.

At A Glance

The Xbox One needs to check-in online every day. If it doesn’t establish a connection, you won’t be able to play games, although you can still watch on-disc movies.

If you log into your Xbox Live profile from another Xbox One, you’ll have access to all your content – but you’ll need to go online once every hour at minimum.

You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release.

Games licensing will be tied to consoles, and third-party publishers may charge a fee for activating used games at their discretion.

Renting and loaning games will not be available at launch. Microsoft is working with publishers to make it happen.

Kinect won’t record you while the console is in stand-by mode, and won’t share your data without permission.

You can give your games away to your friends as gifts – but only once.

In a series of Xbox Wire posts, Microsoft has put paid to various misconceptions about the Xbox One – and confirmed other details. The first of these is that the console will need to go online every single day if you want to keep gaming. Microsoft justified this decision by pointing out the many advantages of a networked console, and said it is preparing for a “connected future”.

“While a persistent connection is not required, Xbox One is designed to verify if system, application or game updates are needed and to see if you have acquired new games, or resold, traded in, or given your game to a friend. Games that are designed to take advantage of the cloud may require a connection,” the platform holder said.

“With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.”

Microsoft recommends a minimum broadband Internet speed of 1.5Mbps, which it rates well below Akami’s estimated average global Internet speed of 2.9 Mbps, and says is possible on mobile broadband.

Licensing, DRM and trade-ins

You’ll notice that one of the things the Xbox One does during its daily Internet check-ins is determine whether you’ve traded a game in; the console does indeed employ a licensing system for games.

“In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers,” Microsoft confirmed.

“Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.”

The licensing system has benefits; anybody using your console can access anything you’ve purchased for it, whether you or they are logged in, and you can also access any of your content on other Xbox One consoles – say, at a friend’s house – just by logging into your online profile.

Another interesting point of the licensing system is that it will allow you to give your games away to friends – but with some tight restrictions, assuming publishers allow it.

“Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.”

You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release. Discs will ensure your games are installed quickly, though.

Kinect – always on, but not watching

Finally, Microsoft addressed concerns over Kinect’s erie always-on listening, and the fact that it is theoretically capable of reporting whether you are watching a commercial, for example.

“You are in control of what Kinect can see and hear: By design, you will determine how responsive and personalized your Xbox One is to you and your family during setup,” Microsoft said.

“When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded.

“You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say ‘Xbox Off.’ When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command – ‘Xbox On,’ and you can even turn that feature off too.

“You are in control of your personal data: You can play games or enjoy applications that use data, such as videos, photos, facial expressions, heart rate and more, but this data will not leave your Xbox One without your explicit permission.”

Microsoft gave a few examples of where that data might be used in games, and made no mention of advertising or similar exploitation of the data.

Xbox One will launch before the end of the year. We’re hoping for a release date and pricing details at E3 next week.

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261 Comments

  1. Fethennour

    Fail status : confirmed.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Fin

    Hmm

    “Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.”

    “Because every Xbox One owner has a broadband connection”

    “Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection”

    “When Xbox One is on and you’re simply having a conversation in your living room, your conversation is not being recorded or uploaded. ”

    This really sounds like damage control. It’s partially successful.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. Tech-N9ne

    Credit to MS for giving full details. Am indifferent to this. Still buying.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. Brenna Hillier

    Now will Sony use a similar licensing system, allowing third parties to control used games? I suspect that it will.

    Which publisher is going to be the first to exercise this right? I think EA and Ubisoft, but they’ll sneak it in with a system similar to online passes.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. JGMR

    Hahahaha!!! Sorry, but I just couldn’t help myself…

    Whahahahahahaha!!! What – a – joke !

    #5 2 years ago
  6. SlayerGT

    “renting games won’t be available at launch”

    Bet they set up their own rental service in Live. Poor Gamefly.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. Pytox

    This is also so bad …
    Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers

    #7 2 years ago
  8. Tech-N9ne

    @4

    That’s a giving. Sony right now is just fooling all these fanboys.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. nollie4545

    Seriously, we get the picture, you’re confused, upset etc. Do us real gamers a favour. DONT BUY AN XBOX ONE. Move on with your life, scratch your ass and bitch about something else.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. mkotechno

    LOL after 24 hours system unusable confirmed, there is a special place near Gamecube, Saturn, original Xbox, and Dreamcast to the XBO. In the stand of biggest commercial fails.

    Total domination of PS4 like in PS1 and PS2 era confirmed.

    Total XBO distributed in Europe and Asia: less than 1 million.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. Brenna Hillier

    Oh, here’s another thought – GameStop has been briefed on both new consoles and upcoming third-party next-gen games, and still seems to be happy. So whatever publishers are proposing to do with the licensing system can’t be too gouge-errific.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Pytox

    If ps4 does daily checkup and such ill be getting a wiiu though :p

    #12 2 years ago
  13. dreamcastnews

    @10 we’ve all got something to bring here, you, should bring silence.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. _LarZen_

    Restrictions Restrictions Restrictions Restrictions….

    This is not next gen, this is like in Planets of the Apes. You get back home and everyone is monkeys! Monkeys!!!!

    #14 2 years ago
  15. silverstorm

    This is a fucking joke. Does anyone know if PS4 will go the same way, has anything been confirmed on that front?

    #15 2 years ago
  16. Francis O

    What a joke! Where’s Legendaryboss to Damage Control the hell out of this.

    This console is a Piece of shit. What’s the point now. Just buy a PC where you don’t pay for online, and games are cheaper with Steam sales.

    Sorry the Xbone just signed it’s death sentence with me. No purchase, no buy, F*ck off MS – F*ck off

    #16 2 years ago
  17. TrickyAudio

    Just gunna start playing my PS2 again, and talk to real people outside in the sunshine for the social aspect. Now that’s gaming.

    #17 2 years ago
  18. Fin

    Just had a thought – you can only trade in games through participating retailers. So if you’re done with a game, you can’t just sell it to your friends? Hmmm.

    Edit – Nope, they mention that

    #18 2 years ago
  19. DSB

    Well, think about it. If it couldn’t go online, how would it upload all the pictures and audio it’ll be transmitting of you?

    #19 2 years ago
  20. spazman

    I know MS is taking all the flack right now – deservedly so, but I have a sneaky feeling the game publishers are rubbing their hands too.

    #20 2 years ago
  21. zinc

    People can call FAIL all they like, but how many Live Gold members are bothered by this?

    #21 2 years ago
  22. ps3fanboy

    check-ins to determine whether you’ve traded a game or not = licensing fee for used games… in other words they are blocking used games…. xbone is done!

    #22 2 years ago
  23. orakaa

    Great.
    No major graphic improvement, TV, TV, TV, sports.

    And new restrictions. MAJOR restrictions.

    What’s the point of this next gen and what is it REALLY bringing to players again? Seriously, I’m waiting on Sony to be clear on this as well. If they keep things as with PS3, then I’ll probably buy one at one point… if they go on the same road as Microsh*t, then no next gen consoles for me. Maybe I’ll get a WiiU as my last console.

    #23 2 years ago
  24. Brenna Hillier

    Updated.

    #24 2 years ago
  25. _LarZen_

    It’s sad that something so easy and comfortable as playing games on a console is now being transformed into this monster that Microsoft has created….

    #25 2 years ago
  26. SplatteredHouse

    Wow a whole lot of “ENABLING” in that xD Am I supposed to be grateful that they’re extending current functionality to me as a “service” (which I’d have paid for) with a list of terms & conditions attached – AND THEN at a publisher’s discretion.

    FFS. No.

    #26 2 years ago
  27. DevilsAdvocate

    @14 I don’t understand what you mean.

    #27 2 years ago
  28. G1GAHURTZ

    @21:

    Not me.

    1. I’m pretty much online 24/7, anyway.
    2. Loaning/renting/selling my games has never really appealed to me.
    3. I’m not paranoid about adding another camera to all of the webcams that I already have.

    Still, I wonder how Sony’s plans differ.

    #28 2 years ago
  29. Debabrata Nath

    Oh dear. Is that what I think it is? Do I see a shitstorm approaching?

    /takes refuge

    #29 2 years ago
  30. DGOJG

    It is late afternoon and deep in a dense forest a father and son are out hunting deer. The pair have been out for a couple of hours now but have been unlucky thus far until they hear an almighty bang from the distance. It came from way beyond the forest and even beyond their hometown. The teary eyed boy looks shocked by the loudness of the sound and clings to his father looking up at him.
    “What was that awful noise father?”, the boy asks trembling. “It sounded so close but that’s not possible.”.
    “It came from far off son.”, his father explained.
    “What was is it though?”.
    “Microsoft finally shot themselves in the foot and made sure everyone heard about it”.

    #30 2 years ago
  31. ps3fanboy

    @28 G1GANOOB, let’s take away that internet of yours shall we… what you got then?…. let me give you a hint… A USELESS BRICK!… and the best part… wait for it… wait for it… you pay through the nose for it, LMAO!

    #31 2 years ago
  32. superjay779

    im ok with this. This will stop people without internet from buying it though.

    #32 2 years ago
  33. Erthazus

    Really? I hate for example when everything is connected. My Pc is always connected because, well, duh~.

    While console is connected via Wi-fi adapter and in most cases it’s not online and I don’t like my console to be always online because so far their online infrastructure is just bad. Can’t see a huge difference with next gen because options in them are limited as F.

    Bad move Microsoft.

    #33 2 years ago
  34. UnseenDX

    I’m perfectly fine with the announcement. Good Job Microsoft. X1 IS FUTURE PROOF.

    #34 2 years ago
  35. Erthazus

    It’s just a simple piracy protection and that’s it.

    and it’s not working. Otherwise there is no reason for a system to be online every 24 hours.

    #35 2 years ago
  36. drewbles82

    Wasnt there a thing saying 15% of xbox360 owners do not have the internet, then theres the percentage that do but rarely connect to the net because either the net is bad in their area or they just dont want to play online ever. So MS want to do well but by cutting about 20% of their customers out , they think this will do well.

    This alone is enough for me to say NO thank you. I will not buy an xboxone.

    As for used games i can see most publishers ending up putting extra prices on if they are allowed to.
    Also though it happens on rare occasions, what happens if my net goes off for a day, a wkend, a week, I’m not allowed to play my SINGLE player games. What about all those in the army that play these games, they have no connection you morons.
    But you need a connection to get the updates. Game updates, id rather accept when i want them as its happened before where an update for a game, screws up peoples saves, or the games.

    #36 2 years ago
  37. xBASSxMONSTAx

    I hope some team hacks this console so we are able to get full control over the Xbox One. :D

    #37 2 years ago
  38. orakaa

    @36: I think it was even more than that. Something like 25% of Xbox 360 that had never been connected to the Internet.

    #38 2 years ago
  39. TheLastDodo

    Missed a bit Brenna.

    To play used games you will have to:

    - Turn Kinect on
    - Do a little dance
    - Make a little love
    - Get down tonight

    All while wearing the correct coloured underwear.

    #39 2 years ago
  40. drewbles82

    @38 Seriously, thats even worse. Do you think they thought about, hey lets get rid of 25% of 360 owners, make it not possible for them to use our new console by needing the internet.
    You can still watch live tv, blurays,dvds though, YEH thats why i have a tv and bluray player already, thats exactly why i bought an xbox1 for, screw games, no one plays those things anyone, so 1980s shit man

    #40 2 years ago
  41. ps3fanboy

    @37 xBASSxMONSTAx, there is no point in hacking the xbone. it will depend on cloud to run properly. so the thought of playing games offline that miss software or connecting a hacked xbone to run games from microsofts cloud you can just forget about.

    #41 2 years ago
  42. machy

    i just per-order one …

    #42 2 years ago
  43. Phoenixblight

    @37

    What do you think MS will do? They will capture this team hang them by their toes and release an update that bans any users for such a system.

    #43 2 years ago
  44. Erthazus

    ^ Oh yeah. LOL. Since when Microsoft captured the team that hacked Xbox 360 at launch?

    and how many updates they released? Uh~huh.

    Btw, Xbox 360 is the biggest pirated console right now with dozens of sites with every game being hacked too.

    #44 2 years ago
  45. Phoenixblight

    @44

    How about the guy that is leaking Xbone info before the reveal or the fact that MS has released an update that bricks modded Xbox 360 systems.

    Also show me a link where 360 is the most pirated system.

    #45 2 years ago
  46. Kalain

    Interesting..

    So, if MS are doing this, I wonder what sony will come up with since they have been very quiet and vague about used game sales on the PS4.

    #46 2 years ago
  47. Brenna Hillier

    @39 now that’s DRM

    #47 2 years ago
  48. Belazur

    WHO IN HIS RIGHT MIND is defending this shit?
    WHO THE F+++ WILL STILL BUY THIS THING (XBone)?
    You can’t be serious?!
    There is NO way to defend this.
    Take off your fanboy googles.
    This so SO anti-consumer-friendly…. I’m speechless.

    If your brain is still working: Don’t buy the XboxOne with these “rules” (which Microsoft just announced).

    Wake up, please!

    #48 2 years ago
  49. Gigabomber

    Just want to point out that, whatever Microsoft does, Sony seems to care even less about consumers judging by my ownership of the ps3 then the 360. Just wait. fanboys: nothing means nothing until we see it at launch. Keep flamebaiting news-sources.

    #49 2 years ago
  50. harr0w

    with MS giving third parties control over the reselling trading lending of there games sony will have very little choice in the matter but to follow suit

    24hr checking is only a problem for people who still live in the dark-ages get a fucking internet connection or better yet DONT BUY IT.

    connect camera problems put to bed.

    this is where is going to get interesting now.

    MS has laid its cards on the table, sony has been silent regarding its system strategy which when it comes to light will be very similar im betting. Which leaves the pricing of consoles/services and the games available for each system as there champions.

    E3 is going to be very interesting

    #50 2 years ago
  51. Erthazus

    @Phoenix,
    “How about the guy that is leaking Xbone info before the reveal or the fact that MS has released an update that bricks modded Xbox 360 systems.

    Also show me a link where 360 is the most pirated system.”

    That guy is not a hacker. Hackers are very anonymous when it comes to that. For example there are teams that are posting a source code through several people that are working together.

    link? why dp you need a link? Go to piratebay and see what games are the most pirated on consoles. You can look to any torrent site. It is the most pirated console to date.

    #51 2 years ago
  52. Phoenixblight

    @52

    “link? why dp you need a link? Go to piratebay and see what games are the most pirated on consoles. You can look to any torrent site. It is the most pirated console to date.”

    C’mon now. Just because its there doesn’t mean anything. You made a claim that the 360 is the most pirated system. Where is the proof other than pirate bay and their files.

    #52 2 years ago
  53. Erthazus

    Because you can see seeders obviously. The number is much bigger then on the PS3 or Wii and it’s not that big compared to PC pirated stuff.

    there is no such link for that because who in their f. mind will make a list of the most pirated consoles? :D

    #53 2 years ago
  54. ieyan

    well, sony already announced that ps4 will not have to always online to play games..so let’s see how sony approach with these used games thing..

    #54 2 years ago
  55. CPC_RedDawn

    That is it then, PS4 and Wii U here I come. I will also be upgrading my PC at the end of the summer so I will have that too.

    Thanks Microsoft for making my decision so easy.

    #55 2 years ago
  56. Gheritt White

    Oh man, if only it didn’t have such a nice pad…

    I need to get a feel of the dualshock 4 before making any decisions.

    #56 2 years ago
  57. Blue Oni

    What a clusterfuck.Really fuck this console.

    #57 2 years ago
  58. Francis O

    Look at Phoneix damage controlling shit, dude DRM check..whatever, but no letting a friend borrow a game? Bullshit. Don’t defend MS. They don’t deserve it.

    #58 2 years ago
  59. Phoenixblight

    @54
    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32211/Call_Of_Duty_Black_Ops_Named_2010s_Most_Pirated_PC_Game.php

    http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/32211/Call_Of_Duty_Black_Ops_Named_2010s_Most_Pirated_PC_Game.php

    This is what I got Wii and the 360 are neck and neck. ANd what the previous poster that started this argument suggested is modifying the system where you are talking about pirating. He was talking about cracking the system so that the user could get full control of the damn thing. In order for anyone to play a pirated game you have to have a modded 360 which once its connected to the net(assuming the user didn’t circumvent the system checking for updates) it will get an update that will brick the system.

    @59

    WTF are you talking about? I am not defending anything, try again.

    #59 2 years ago
  60. CPC_RedDawn

    @57 I like the pad too, but I also play most of my games on my PC. So I will say, thank you Microsoft for making us a great pad to enjoy our much better PC games with. Thank you.

    #60 2 years ago
  61. Gheritt White

    To be fair, most of these problems won’t be an issue for Microsoft’s target audience, *especially* when they’ve revealed the games. What’s more interesting to me is that the internal hardware is apparently inferior to the PS4. Now, I wonder how much being able to off-load computation to the cloud will compensate for that?

    Time will tell, but you’d be an idiot to buy either before Xmas 2014 at the earliest. Even without knowing about the games.

    OMG Monday.

    Monday.

    That is all.

    #61 2 years ago
  62. Joe_Gamer

    Yeah… fuck this console.

    #62 2 years ago
  63. Phoenixblight

    @62

    “Now, I wonder how much being able to off-load computation to the cloud will compensate for that?”

    Not every game will be able to utilize the cloud because that would mean more work for the developer to put in data hooks to utilize that system vs the PS4 or PC.

    #63 2 years ago
  64. Kidbuu42

    “There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.” What a wonderfully misleading article headline

    #64 2 years ago
  65. taternuggets

    I don’t buy or sell used games. I’m not afraid of my Kinect. I have an internet connection. Are you saying that the new Xbox might drive the whiny little troll type fanboys over to Sony and off of Xbox Live?? And this isn’t being shouted from the rooftops as a feature?!?

    #65 2 years ago
  66. Dark

    Giantbomb says EA, Ubisoft & Activision are the ones pushing for used games DRM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1StPJgWkN-U

    #66 2 years ago
  67. Kanok

    Fuck you Don Mattrick, you should be resign now.

    #67 2 years ago
  68. harr0w

    Hahaha very good @66

    #68 2 years ago
  69. DSB

    It’s not the end of the world, but why choose to make it so draconian?

    It’s “Log in – Or fuck off” instead of a more reasonable “Log in – Or lose certain functionalities”.

    I think something like Steam is made a lot easier to swallow by in effect being “always online” but also being entirely volountary.

    In my experience it does an online check at least every five minutes, but it doesn’t take your games away if it fails. I think psychologically that matters. Valve get to have an always online platform, and consumers don’t feel like they’re paying to have a company looking over their shoulder.

    #69 2 years ago
  70. mickey2002

    Sony need to SHOUT about the fact it’s status quo they ain’t doing any of this *bleep* and they win. Simple.

    #70 2 years ago
  71. Cobra951

    “Yes: you need to be online very day.”

    No: I will never buy it as long as this is true.

    #71 2 years ago
  72. JGMR

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1StPJgWkN-U

    #72 2 years ago
  73. machy

    MS still laying 24 check means DRM all over, and it’s MS whom blocking 2nd access to disk not 3rd-pub … so to those of u who keeps saying Sony will do the same wake up, ps4 isn’t an always online system and the only drm in that system will be just like the current ps3 ”online pass becoming disk pass” thank u EA

    #73 2 years ago
  74. taternuggets

    @74 The xbox one isn’t an “always online” system either… Sony could very well still have very similar requirements. I’m quite happy to not need the disc to play games any longer.

    #74 2 years ago
  75. machy

    @tate no matter what ISP u r using with modern games becoming more and more bigger in terms of size … hitman is like 17 GB u go to ur buddy and u gonna hve to chill for wht a hour or two to DL the game then the updates to be able to go online

    and sony is actually using something much worst thn MS they kinda in-print on the phy-disk so if some how u wanna use it else where u need ur account or u gonna need to buy the disk-pass

    #75 2 years ago
  76. Ireland Michael

    Fuck off, Microsoft.

    What a bunch of self obsessed wankers.

    #76 2 years ago
  77. hitnrun

    Give MS credit, they’re successfully controlling the media message with their bait-and-switch with the headline announcements.

    For most people, “supports used games” means the exact opposite of “you have to pay a fee to register a used game.”

    Also, “Kinect does not record you” generally isn’t taken by most people to mean “Kinect is always recording you and reporting your conversations to Microsoft while it is on…unless you dig through the settings to turn it off after every GUI update, something most console owners don’t know to do and we’re certainly not going to tell them.”

    @66 You’re kidding, right? You think the people who won’t shut up on Live are the people who care about this?

    #77 2 years ago
  78. G1GAHURTZ

    What!?

    This is the news for me:

    Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day: You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release.

    SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!!!!

    No more retail stores for me, thanks. Wow, this is a huge feature. I didn’t think they’d do this as long as retail was shifting so many copies, but day 1 downloads?

    Yes please!

    #78 2 years ago
  79. Phoenixblight

    @79

    If you like paying the full price. I usually go for AMazon who has the prices marked down plus give credit for the next purchase. MS won’t be doing that shit.

    #79 2 years ago
  80. NeutralBlade

    As another said, Sony has been quiet about their DRM details for the PS4. I’m sure they’ll be asked for proper confirmation, on what their plans really are.

    Sony said the PS4 is not always on. Well, neither is the X1, but it has a 24-hour restriction; nearly the same thing. And we know some publishers will pull a “Simcity” on their games, creating a bs cloud-requirement that forces always-on DRM for the game to function.

    Sony said they won’t block used games, and the X1 doesn’t either. However, there are restrictions everywhere, with the sole purpose of making the used games market 100% profitable for the money-grubbing publishers; along with stripping you of your ownership of the games you purchase.

    And believe me, Microsoft is not doing all of this for free, not at all. You better believe that if Microsoft makes no money from used games sales, publishers will in turn pay Microsoft for the use of their craptastic, Azure (used game) control system.

    So, it won’t be much longer until E3. I just hope that at the very least, the PS4 has no online requirement, has lesser restrictions on used games, and doesn’t use the PS Eye as a monitoring tool. If they can manage that, then I can see myself purchasing a PS4; and will just go to a friend’s house who’s foolish enough to give Microsoft money. It’s better to vote with your wallet to influence change, since words usually aren’t enough. Let the X1 tank, and watch Microsoft change its tune. But likely, the uninformed and un-phased will buy it; which sends the wrong message.

    But you know, these corporate heads want to force this crap on us, to the point that we will have no choice but to accept it; if everyone is doing the DRM thing, they feel we will just give in to it after a while. Well, this coming E3 doesn’t seem as exciting as I once hoped it was. I say, bring on the news…

    #80 2 years ago
  81. G1GAHURTZ

    @80:

    I’m not that fussed about bargain hunting, tbh, pb.

    I’m certainly not up for throwing my money away, but as long as the games are RRP, I’m willing to pay for the convenience of not having to go out of my way to go to the shops.

    #81 2 years ago
  82. Phoenixblight

    @82

    I buy all my games through AMazon unless it is through steam. I haven’t gone to a store to buy a game for 2 years now. Just waiting for the delivery guy or for steam to unlock it.

    #82 2 years ago
  83. NinJe

    Well this has confirmed it. I am not going to pay for this ****, never in a million years. I hope this console launch is a flop and Microsoft start to smell the **** they are serving up for people. It smells like the handy work of Harrison, he screwed the PS3 and now he is screwing the Xbox One.

    IF I get a next gen console it looks like it will be the PS4. But to be honest, my PC can do all the next gen consoles can do and more.

    #83 2 years ago
  84. G1GAHURTZ

    @83:

    Oh right, you mean mail delivery… I’ve been out of the UK for so long, I didn’t realise…

    There’s no Amazon over here in KSA, so atm, the only way to buy games is a trip to the shops. (There are online stores, but I haven’t used one yet.)

    Anyway, I usually get stressed out with mail delivery if it doesn’t turn up by 11:00am, so again, day 1 DL’s should eliminate that.

    And even though you should be able to play as you DL, I hope they do a pre-install system like on Steam. Would be nice to be able to play from the first minute of release…

    #84 2 years ago
  85. Phoenixblight

    @85

    “And even though you should be able to play as you DL, I hope they do a pre-install system like on Steam. Would be nice to be able to play from the first minute of release…”

    I don’t see why both systems wouldn’t allow this especially with their specs.

    #85 2 years ago
  86. Rafa_L

    This is sad news. I don’t see the benefit for the consumer.

    I hope sony plays it differently.

    #86 2 years ago
  87. machy

    i can’t wait to see all of u who think sony is doing something similar … it only 4 more days to go and u’ll zip ur holes for goood and that’s a promise

    #87 2 years ago
  88. xBASSxMONSTAx

    @50- Sony just have to do the opposite of Microshaft and they have won this gen already. Lol

    #88 2 years ago
  89. Phoenixblight

    @89

    They aren’t going to. The publishers are pushing this second hand stuff so at the very least that will be similar for both systems.

    #89 2 years ago
  90. Dave Cook

    I just moved flat last week. I’ve been waiting six working days to have internet activated in my flat and counting as the provider is manned by bumbling clown shoes. If this were December my Xbox One would have been offline for seven days total.

    Also, my flat – like many old flats in Edinburgh – uses pay as you use electricity. I never keep my consoles on standby to conserve power but with Xbox One I’ll be forced to pay to keep my console on.

    Struggling to find a positive in all this.

    I think it’s time I wrote a new opinion blog today.

    #90 2 years ago
  91. ysleiro

    @91 You or a mate don’t have a cellphone you could tether for the Xbox check in?

    Or how about your ISP they don’t provide community WiFi?

    #91 2 years ago
  92. Gekidami

    So in the end, it turns out that everything Phil Harrison said, what people were complaining about but MS later said wasnt true and was being taken out of context… Is true. Oh, and it still fucking sucks.

    #92 2 years ago
  93. Dave Cook

    @92 Why should I have to tether my phone to use a console though? It just seems like a ludicrous solution to a problem that shouldn’t exist to begin with. Also, tethering can cost money to those without unlimited mobile data deals like me.

    Community wifi? As in public wifi? If so then no, not where I live sadly. I’m guessing many are in a similar situation.

    Edit: well now that I think about it, the daily check in wouldn’t take that much tethered data.

    #93 2 years ago
  94. Ireland Michael

    @92 Not the point. You shouldn’t have to.

    Its essentially treating every customer like a potential criminal, and if people end up actually support this draconian bullshit, its just going to get a lot worse. People seem to willingly *enjoy* being buttfucked by the people with the money though, so it frankly wouldn’t surprise me.

    @94 Again, people shouldn’t *have* to. If I turn on my machine I have the right to play the disc I bought. Any company that tries to claim otherwise can go fuck itself.

    #94 2 years ago
  95. salarta

    Holy fuck. So they literally have a block on playing any kind of video games without an internet connection after 24 hours unconnected. These guys clearly have absolutely no concept of what life is like outside their fancy little bubbles of high wealth, because anyone not living in that sort of class level knows that there are times when you can lose your internet connection for anywhere from a couple days to a week, possibly longer. And THOSE TIMES are ideally the best time for games, because you don’t have internet to turn to.

    The licensing is even worse than first posed. Not only can you not easily let your friend borrow a game, but digitally you can only lend it to them once? The fuck?

    And their Kinect answer isn’t an answer, because it’s responding to the suggestion of Microsoft personally listening in on your activities or recording them and NOT on possible risks of a random person hacking into the Kinect.

    This isn’t a console designed by people that know the industry. This is a console designed by executives that have only a glancing idea of what video games are, their minds stuck in the idea of what corporations dream about seeing to boost their revenue believing they can get away with anything and not in what actually makes any bit of reasonable sense.

    #95 2 years ago
  96. redwood

    @91 please do man.. we need some realism on vg247, right now it’s either just fanboy flaming/bro-fisting, or company PR.
    @92 that’s not the point.. the point is that he is not living in some 3rd world country and is still facing this problem. Fact here being that mS is making a bad decision and they are going to back it up by shovelling a ton of money in to their PR campaign.
    Also.. reading this does demystify alot of stuff, but it also turns alot of shit into facts..
    a) we will have to worry about having a working internet connection before sitting down for work
    b) Now I can give my games to friends.. but only once :P that IS fucked up..also only if publishers allow it.

    anyway great to know the MS is clearing this stuff up..

    #96 2 years ago
  97. Phoenixblight

    @94

    You are right you shouldn’t have to find a way to tether your cellphone in order to access your console. Its absolutely moronics the absolute need to check every 24 hours.

    #97 2 years ago
  98. Ireland Michael

    @98 Or every hour if happen to be on someone else’s Xbox.

    Every.
    Fucking.
    Hour.

    Words absolutely fail me right now.

    #98 2 years ago
  99. lookingglass

    Very cool. It’s good to know my whole game library is available to any profile signed into my console. I’m glad games aren’t tied to the profile only.

    I pay for solid, quality broadband and I play with friends so being always online is not only easy, but it’s a plus. I hang in party chat while I play even single player games. Playing the same game as a friend and being in chat is an awesome way to play.

    Used games? I can afford new games and I like to maintain a library so I couldn’t care less about used games.

    So what’s unique about the two? All major multi-platform games are shared and each will snag some good exclusives.

    Entertainment, Kinect, XBL vs. Better graphics and Indies.

    I have a gaming PC so Xbox One just offers more for me. Indies that last a couple hours are not that important to me.

    #99 2 years ago
  100. G1GAHURTZ

    @Dave:

    A Short Story

    A few years ago, I lived in East London, and I played CoD4 almost every single day. Not the SP, but the MP, and this was over the course of not one, but two whole years.

    I had been really looking forward to MW2, having skipped investing much time into WaW, and I had the night vision goggles premium edition pre-ordered, as well as a regular copy, which would have allowed me to leave the premium edition unopened, packaging intact.

    It just so happened that the company that I was working for at the time moved offices to South London (Wimbledon), so I decided that a move to the south would make my commutes and general feeling of well being, much better.

    Now, when I moved, it also just happened to be towards the end of October. Needless to say, the extortionate prices (deposit, removal van, etc) in London did away with almost all of my spare money, just for the move.

    So I ended up having to cancel my premium edition, and stick with the regular one. Unsurprisingly, when I eventually got some more money, they were nowhere to be found.

    Not only that, but I was also in for a bit of a shock, when I discovered that it would take Virgin almost an entire month to connect my internet!

    “Sorry, we’re in a very busy period right now…”

    I took the day off work to play MW2 at release anyway, but I was stuck playing offline while everyone else in my clan was prestiging.

    I’m not sure if you could ever understand exactly what that felt like.

    And before anyone says: ‘At least you could play!’, I’d like to point out that SP games are nothing to me. I would probably never have bought a single CoD after CoD2, if it had been SP only.

    But these things happen. Sometimes you just have to wait. You don’t move house every day. This is an edge case.

    Most of the time, our electronics (consoles/PC/etc) sit there, connected, while we don’t even have any time to use them for days on end.

    I’m sorry, but I can’t see the need to complain like this is the end of gaming, when the only time you would be ‘prevented’ from gaming was an edge case that might happen once every 5-10 years.

    When I lived in the middle of the desert (Riyadh, KSA), I still managed to play on XBL, so I’m pretty sure that people in the US and Europe shouldn’t have too much difficulty.

    #100 2 years ago
  101. Clupula

    I just keep thinking of my ex who bought a PS3 last year and up until I came over about three months back and told her that she could go online with it, didn’t even know. So, if this had been a year from now and she had bought an XBone, she’d have just thrown away several hundred dollars for nothing, or at least, until someone could set up everything for her, like I had to.

    This is really the most ridiculous shit ever.

    #101 2 years ago
  102. Clupula

    I also think about how my cable/internet service goes out for a few days about once a year, because they’re installing new service or upgrading this or changing that or somebody happened to sneeze near one of the fiberoptic cables. Longest I went without internet was 4 days. No way would I ever support any company that would do this “online every 24 hours or you can’t even play your single player games” bullshit. No fucking way.

    And if Sony do it for the PS4, I’m done with them too.

    #102 2 years ago
  103. Clupula

    #100 seriously reads like it was written by a P.R. department and copy/pasted to different websites under different screennames.

    #103 2 years ago
  104. Mjorh

    The interenet conncetion is not some sort of thing that is available everywhere around the world 24/7 with high speed , this may have impact on sales n stuff u know nowhere is like America or sth .
    This console has so limitations that makes it impossible to buy in some countries n its frustrating!
    @103 Once a year ?! what a great place u are D! whats ur speed then?

    #104 2 years ago
  105. G1GAHURTZ

    @102:

    I’d have thought that MS would make it explicitly clear on numerous parts of the packaging, as well as getting salespeople to remind buyers before purchasing it, that it needs an internet connection.

    At least, that’s what happened when I bought Office 365 a short while ago.

    #105 2 years ago
  106. Gekidami

    Well, i think one think is clear, and thats that G1GA may very well be the greatest ‘free lance’ PR person for a company he doesnt actually work for. I’m sure MS would be very pleased that you’ve taken up their sword and shield… If they actually cared.

    #106 2 years ago
  107. Clupula

    @105 – It’s called Brooklyn, New York.

    Absolute best time it happened was five years ago when it happens on Thanksgiving of all days, a day I had off of work, and would usually use to do internet stuff.

    #107 2 years ago
  108. salarta

    I find the flood of people supporting the XBox One to be a bit suspicious, since I recall the initial announcement of the console and all these issues generating near-universal panning.

    I’m not too concerned about if that suspicion is well-founded or not, though. The XBox One has so many idiotic problems with it spun by business-minded people that not even questionable PR tactics will be enough to trick most people that actually play and care about video games into buying the thing.

    #108 2 years ago
  109. Mjorh

    @108 NY , man when we’re gonna see that heaven ^-^ !
    So it ain’t gonna be a huge problem for u then , i mean u’ve got everything 2 run this console .

    #109 2 years ago
  110. Gekidami

    @109
    Xbox fanboys will be Xbox fanboys. The console could shoot out tentacles every hour that rape your mother, they’d still see the silver lining.

    #110 2 years ago
  111. G1GAHURTZ

    Oh, naughty me for daring to have an opinion…

    Maybe I should just follow ‘the collective‘.

    Boooo!

    This is terrible!

    You have ruined my life Micro$oft!

    You are teh evul!!

    #111 2 years ago
  112. Gekidami

    Theres a clear difference between having an opinion and blatantly fighting tooth and nail for a corporation.

    #112 2 years ago
  113. mojo

    this is the worst thing that could have happened.
    im out

    im not allowed to buy a game directly from someone else on a forum, im not allowed to rent or lend a game to or from a friend.
    definatly a deal breaker for me.

    #113 2 years ago
  114. Mjorh

    @109 Yeah , its fishy . i’m jus wondering how its gonna sale n what are their tactis n strategies in sale department n stuff.

    #114 2 years ago
  115. zersus

    I feel that the News headline is misleading.
    It should be more like:
    Xbox One needs to be online! Wannabe support for used games.
    This is more the picture, did microsoft pay for this “journalism”?

    #115 2 years ago
  116. G1GAHURTZ

    Yes, and you would know that, would you, Mr Captain of the Sony Defence Force Team™?

    #116 2 years ago
  117. Dave Cook

    @116 no, they didn’t. Because this isn’t the land of make believe.

    #117 2 years ago
  118. Gekidami

    Oh you top me by a long shot. Ever since the XB1 was announced you’ve been there, MS’ ‘not-so-silent guardian’.

    #118 2 years ago
  119. G1GAHURTZ

    No chance!

    No one could possibly top your foul mouthed, fit of rage exploits, whenever someone dares to say something negative about your beloved Sony.

    Captain.

    #119 2 years ago
  120. mojo

    im also in the boat of “will play used games” is just bullshit.
    this leads to the conclusion that it will be like it is this gen. which is not the case.

    #120 2 years ago
  121. Ireland Michael

    @112 “Oh, naughty me for daring to have an opinion…”

    You’re perfectly free to have an opinion.

    Just as free as they are to tell you that they think its wrong.

    The popularity of an opinion is irrelevant to the validity of it.

    #121 2 years ago
  122. Gekidami

    @120
    Go on then, post a recent link. I’d just have to search “Xbox One” to find your non-official MS spin.

    #122 2 years ago
  123. mojo

    but dont bother with it dave. im beyond the point where i believe the media will help defend consumer rights.
    so stick with it.

    #123 2 years ago
  124. G1GAHURTZ

    A link to what, Captain?

    What would sir like a link to?

    #124 2 years ago
  125. TheBlackHole

    I’m sorry, but I bet almost every person in here bitching about the Xbox uses steam. Please explain how steam is so vastly different. I doubt believe steam allows you to lend or resell games, does it?

    , too many of you believe this fallacy that all game execs are ‘ suits’. Actually, most are gamers that have climbed the ranks for many years. People struggle to work in games when they aren’t from the industry.

    so, for my part, I’m disappointed I won’t be able to play during the rare occasions my internet goes down (never) but I can live with it if it means developers actually get paid for their products.

    my grammar is terrible because I’m on my phone. Sorry.

    #125 2 years ago
  126. Gekidami

    “foul mouthed, fit of rage exploits” as you so put it.

    #126 2 years ago
  127. Eregol

    @Giga I really don’t understand what world you live in if you think people would be happy if they can’t play on their games console for a whole month just because they were unfortunate enough to need to move house and their ISP fucked up.
    BT screwed me over when I moved house and I couldn’t get online for a month as well. If I couldn’t play my console I would have been apoplectic.
    It doesn’t matter if it’s an ‘edge-case’ it shouldn’t happen at all.

    Apple are terrible for wanting to control our digital content, but even they don’t stop you accessing it if you can’t get online.
    It’s poor show by M$ to put this measure into their console.

    #127 2 years ago
  128. Vice

    Goodbye, xbox…

    #128 2 years ago
  129. mojo

    126: we are talking about consoles here. not steam.
    and yes i have steam. but i dont have a game that cost me more than 10 Euro, besides HL2 that introduced steam. i dont have a problem with not beeing able to sell or lend games at that pricepoint.
    and actualy, yes i can lend most of the games i have on steam because most of them are from the humble bundles.

    #129 2 years ago
  130. Ireland Michael

    @126 I owe a handful of games on Steam, and have spent less than $100 on the service in the last three or so years. I do not spend my money buying triple A PC titles digitally, and any titles released on disc that requires DRM to run I simply don’t buy at all.

    Every single title I own on Steam is a digital-only release, besides Portal, Team Fortress 2 and the original Borderlands… and they cost me a grand total of… $0.00.

    Anyway, I support access restrictions on digital sales. Always have. I have no problem with these restrictions being placed on stuff bought on the console itself. Not physical sales, though. If I pick up a PC game in a store, it damn well better run without Steam.

    “Too many of you believe this fallacy that all game execs are ‘ suits’. Actually, most are gamers that have climbed the ranks for many years.”

    Which is exactly why Microsoft is so stupidly shooting itself in the foot at the moment. There’s barely single person in that division right now that looks like they’ve ever picked up a controller in their life. I’ve been platform neutral my entire gaming life (25+ years) but Jesus… they’ve lost the plot. If Windows 8 didn’t prove it, this sure did.

    #130 2 years ago
  131. polygem

    first of all take a quick look at this and then think of kinect:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/us/nsa-verizon-calls.html?hp&_r=0

    “The Guardian and The Post posted several slides from the 41-page presentation about the Internet program, listing the companies involved — which included Yahoo, Microsoft, Paltalk, AOL, Skype and YouTube — and the dates they joined the program, as well as listing the types of information collected under the program.”

    but let´s talk about games first ok…but just keep that stuff up there in mind.

    online gaming is big, sure and it will probably even get bigger, it will be connected to gaming forever but i don´t think it will be the future ms is predicting for it. i personally played a lot of online shooters this gen but my interest has drastically faded. i believe it´s something a dedicated demographic likes to do but not everyone wants cod/bf24/7 and i doubt it is the majority of gamers, it´s a huge slice of the cake, but just a slice in the end. i believe smarter ways to implement mp and or online is important too. stuff like in dark souls, little big planet. things that enhance your sp game but are not essential to use it. you can go online, it makes yourg game even better but you don´t have to to enjoy it. sure titan fall, destiny will be huge but that´s not the definition of gaming´s future as a whole….at least i hope it´s not.

    imagine i buy a xone, buy shitloads of games for it like i did for 360, with my hard earned money, and they give me all this restrictions: only friends on friends list for renting my games to, only renting it once etc. why? i bought these things. these restrictions make no sense at all. if they feel like not getting enough compensation from used games they must find a solution, that´s THEIR job and not MINE. just nailing it down to your customers, making them pay again for a problem that YOU as a company should fix with the money those customers already gave you…is just plain wrong and i cannot believe people are defending this.

    #131 2 years ago
  132. G1GAHURTZ

    @127:

    Pfffft. I don’t have to look very far…

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/06/xbox-one-needs-to-be-online-every-24-hours-will-support-used-games/comment-page-2/#comment-489566

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/06/titanfall-is-the-respawns-new-game-report/#comment-489205

    @128:

    @Giga I really don’t understand what world you live in if you think people would be happy if they can’t play on their games console for a whole month

    When did I say that?

    #132 2 years ago
  133. hameed1989

    dont worry people….
    the console is in the market for 7 years….give it an year and expert people will find a way round this thing….
    BE PATIENT!!!

    http://www.thegadgetcode.com/2013/06/xbox-one-internet-connection.html

    #133 2 years ago
  134. Gekidami

    @133
    lol Thats it? One post not even about Sony and another single post out of 144? Where are the “foul mouthed, fit of rage exploits”? How is that topping you?

    ‘The Shield of Microsoft’ has done more for his cause just here:
    http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/06/xbox-one-needs-to-be-online-every-24-hours-will-support-used-games/comment-page-1/#comment-489464

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/06/xbox-one-needs-to-be-online-every-24-hours-will-support-used-games/comment-page-2/#comment-489542

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/06/xbox-one-needs-to-be-online-every-24-hours-will-support-used-games/comment-page-2/#comment-489545

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/06/xbox-one-needs-to-be-online-every-24-hours-will-support-used-games/comment-page-2/#comment-489549

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/06/xbox-one-needs-to-be-online-every-24-hours-will-support-used-games/#comment-489582

    http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/06/xbox-one-needs-to-be-online-every-24-hours-will-support-used-games/#comment-489587

    Keep fighting the good fight, sweet knight.

    #134 2 years ago
  135. zersus

    @130 same for me. No game over 10€. I’m not even buying expensive stuff there, because after playing it true, I’m stuck with it… how great.

    Maybe something you guys don’t now. I’m living in Germany, and here we have something like a consumer protection center. (Funny this word does not even exist in the English language^^, I translate literally).

    So, this center is protecting the rights of us, the consumer, and this center here is something of a very big deal. For example this center has a legal proceedings going on against Steam, because if we as the consumer own something, we can to with it whatever the fuck we want. Burn it, sell it, give it away, wrap it as a gift and so on. You get the Point right? Now I’m curious to see what will happen with Microsoft here in Germany.
    Like I say, this center is a big deal; it is backed up by our political and democratic system. It is running by the public servant.

    #135 2 years ago
  136. Ireland Michael

    @133 & 135, Nobody cares

    @136 Im pretty sure this limitation of access goes against some very serious and very strictly enforced EU laws. It’s completely illegal to limit a person’s ability to 1) access something they have proof of purchase for, and 2) resell their possessions.

    How the hell Microsoft is getting around this in Europe is beyond me.

    Steam got in a metric craptonne of trouble a while back when they tried to deny a single person access to their games. They must be exploiting some crazy loopholes to get away with this.

    #136 2 years ago
  137. Eregol

    @133
    “@Giga I really don’t understand what world you live in if you think people would be happy if they can’t play on their games console for a whole month”

    When did I say that?

    I’m sorry, but I can’t see the need to complain like this is the end of gaming, when the only time you would be ‘prevented’ from gaming was an edge case that might happen once every 5-10 years.

    #137 2 years ago
  138. G1GAHURTZ

    Good job, Captain!

    I think you’ll find that insinuating that I am ‘thick’ (abuse) for not thinking that ‘Sony can do it too!’ clearly tops me saying that I genuinely have no problems with a certain thing (honesty).

    Lets face it, the only reason you commented above was due to your frustration, that I made a completely valid point, boiling over.

    Admit it, you can’t handle it when people don’t hate on MS, so you start throwing insults and foul language around.

    Captain.

    #138 2 years ago
  139. Samoan Spider

    @126 I’m not massively bothered by this, and I use Steam for almost everything on my PC now but just for your info, I found this on ArsTechnica in the comments written by someone under the name VideoGameTech:
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    “Steam on the PC and the XBO are different scenarios. Let’s go over why:

    Buying in. People owned PCs before Steam existed and don’t pay Valve a penny to buy one. XBO requires you fork over $400 (or whatever the price is), the majority of which goes to MS.

    Competition. Don’t like Steam or how it works? Buy game from anywhere else. Don’t like how MS runs their system? $400 paperweight. Competition has several secondary effects, like discounting, keeping business honest, etc. Steam has those; MS won’t.

    Sales. AAA, multi-million seller, Game-of-the-Year winners go on sale regularly. We know how Steam works with its pricing. Microsoft? Don’t yet know. We have seen when the same game is sold digitally and brick-and-mortar that the digital version does not get comparable sales.

    Trust. We trust Steam because we’ve seen how it works. MS has not earned our trust. And being our only XBO option, it’s an easy position to abuse.

    Offline usability. Your PC works perfectly fine without an internet connection. Steam will still play your installed games. XBO goes dead in 24 hours (if it won’t play games, it’s dead to me).

    Value-added or taken away. Steam’s introduction and existence does nothing to take away from our computer gaming experience. Some of us even like its features; the rest can ignore it. XBO and its online DRM are a major step backwards from the 360 in every ownership aspect.

    So while they are both digital distribution platforms, Steam and XBO are very different beasts.”
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    I think that covers it pretty well. I have always on internet and always connected devices so I’m not worried, but there it is nonetheless.

    Edit: Where this is going to piss people off is where gamers are used to trading with mates and trading in games they purchased 2nd hand to buy more new/used games. That will essentially kill part of the resale market.

    #139 2 years ago
  140. G1GAHURTZ

    @138:

    No…

    Sorry, I don’t see the words ‘people should be happy’ in that quote.

    That’s not even close to what I said.

    I’m simply saying that I personally have been prevented from playing my favourite game for weeks (yes, weeks) because I had no online, but it wasn’t the end of gaming.

    In fact, in the end, I’m pretty sure that I put around 400 or more hours into MW2.

    #140 2 years ago
  141. Gekidami

    All of the comments you’ve made here are a testament to your inability to stand people criticising MS. Keep defending them to the very end, though. I’m sure MS will reward your PR skills soon. Oh and dont forget to keep saying how awesome everything MS does is.

    Used games behind a pay wall?! HYYYYPPPPEEE!!

    #141 2 years ago
  142. Ireland Michael

    @142 xbox360fanboy?

    #142 2 years ago
  143. Christopher Jack

    @136, Of course other countries have consumer protection agencies. Australia’s is the ACCC, Australia Competition & Consumer Commission, you may have heard of them chasing down Apple, Microsoft & Adobe not too long ago for price discrimination.

    Also
    @GHZ, The issue is that it’s not an edge case for everybody else. You should be grateful that you have a solid network but a majority of even the developed world still doesn’t, particularly those without fibre yet. If the issue isn’t with the odd maintenance, it’s poor copper due to lack of maintenance, if it isn’t that, it’s a bandwidth issue (someone’s always downloading in my house), then you could have poor/old/malfunctioning hardware. Some of the world also still has data caps.

    So again, just because you have a solid network, doesn’t mean you should take it for granted.

    #143 2 years ago
  144. manamana

    Now I only hope that Sony wont screw this up. Who in their right minds are interested in hand-cuffed gaming experiences? This is going to be an advertisers dream console and no wonder EA hangs on Microsofts titts – they get all the control they ever wanted.

    What a horrible future for gamers, really.

    #144 2 years ago
  145. G1GAHURTZ

    There you go, judging me by your own standards, again.

    My comments are entirely valid opinions based on the fact that I only play online. I think you’ll find that if you searched every X1 article, I would appear in less than half of them, even though people are ripping it out of the thing.

    I genuinely don’t care if a bunch of forumites aren’t going to buy it, and I may not even buy it myself! I’m still waiting to see some games.

    This is a forum, and if I want to talk about a subject, or say that I don’t see a problem with a product/policy, I don’t have to seek your permission.

    Unlike you, I don’t start calling people names if they disagree with me.

    What I do (discuss), and what you do (attack) are not even close to being the same thing.

    So stop getting upset and trying to insult me/derail the thread, just because you don’t want anyone else to have an opinion.

    #145 2 years ago
  146. manamana

    Could the XB1 be financed by the NSA? ;-)

    #146 2 years ago
  147. hives

    So no used games in my country (we don’t have used games retailers here; Poland).

    Yeah… Cool. I’m not totally in favor of buying used games ONLY, but I want to buy them sometimes to save money for other, new games. Only good thing – maybe Gamestopr etc will loose some power.

    Because those retailers are the reason – for example – why games on Steam have the same price as box-versions day1, right? “What? You can sell it cheaper digitally? Well then we won’t have it on our shelves!”.

    #147 2 years ago
  148. Clupula

    I don’t use Steam. Makes my computer slow down to a crawl. I doubt I’d even be able to run Half-Life 1, nevermind anything recent. Skype usually means I have to restart my computer at least once.

    #148 2 years ago
  149. G1GAHURTZ

    @CJ:

    You’re on this website every day. Are you telling me that having to be connected would be a problem for you, or a straw man?

    #149 2 years ago
  150. zersus

    @137 you are right, I found it:
    The European court approves in 2012 the adjudication to sell owned and used software.

    #150 2 years ago
  151. Samoan Spider

    @137/151 The problem with that Oracle ruling is that they ruled that it is entirely justifiable to allow security measures to prevent the use of that software when resold. Basically though, DRM will be the gatekeeper and MS are saying you can sell the product as much as you want, just only the first 2 owners can USE it. It’d be awesome if they were bound by law to allow Steam game resale as well as MS/Sony used game sales in an unlimited fashion, but I’d imagine some pretty smart lawyers know their way around the loopholes in this ruling.

    #151 2 years ago
  152. Joe Musashi

    Hey guys. Just thought you should know that my anecdotal evidence is universal. So whatever I consider acceptable/unacceptable should just be taken as factual and disagreeing is just a mistake on your part.

    Got that? Grrrreat.

    JM

    #152 2 years ago
  153. Christopher Jack

    @150, Yes, because this is an online website, I have no issues being forced to use an internet connection to connect to a website. Also my connection is unstable (fucking copper) & when it is working properly someone is always downloading so it pushes my bandwidth to the limit.

    This is the second time someone has tried comparing to me a website that logically requires an internet connection & a gaming console forcing me to use an internet connection for single player purposes. I don’t know why people think that being restricted to the net is a good thing when it isn’t necessary. The internet is great but when it goes down & for me that’s very frequently, I don’t want to be left with the machine being unusable for purposes that don’t/shouldn’t require a connection.

    #153 2 years ago
  154. G1GAHURTZ

    What I’m saying is that if the X1/PS4 needed to connect once a day to send a few Kb/MBs of data, would it be a problem for you?

    Because as far as I can see, you’re always online, anyway.

    ——–

    I never said that it was a good thing, did I?

    MS have a console, that, for whatever reason (pirates), they have decided to put this DRM into.

    Yes, it’s restrictive.

    But is it a restriction that you’re incapable of adhering to?

    Of course not. I’d say that every single person on this website wouldn’t have any problem with it if they wanted to buy an X1.

    #154 2 years ago
  155. Christopher Jack

    @155, Yes, because I’m not on everyday. I don’t see why you think it’s a good thing just because you have no issues, quite a selfish perspective if anything else.

    #155 2 years ago
  156. G1GAHURTZ

    ^ Show me where I said it was a “good thing”.

    I never said that.

    But you seem to be complaining for someone who isn’t you.

    ‘Oh, I’m not going to buy something, because someone else might not be able to use it…’

    #156 2 years ago
  157. Christopher Jack

    @157, You never claimed it was good but for some odd reason you’re defending it because it doesn’t affect you. If Sony came out with a similar restriction then I’ll certainly stick to my PC thanks.

    I’ve also detailed that it can & will directly affect me but why would I pander to such a restriction in the first place? If Console A) restricts how games can use it & Console B) did not & other than that both are fundamentally the same, what sane person would even bother with A? There’s a reason Chrome OS hasn’t taken off, too few of the world is ready for an all online future if the infrastructure isn’t there yet for the majority. In fact I’d compare Xbone One & PS4 to Chrome OS & Windows respectively.

    #157 2 years ago
  158. ps3fanboy

    I believe this will be the start of the end of console gaming, this is unbelievable :(

    #158 2 years ago
  159. ps3fanboy

    May the worst of the worst happen to you xbone, now and forever!! It’s time for a new long over due video game crash!!!

    #159 2 years ago
  160. Gheritt White

    @147: That is genuinely scary and makes me even more likely to buy a PS4 simply because Sony’s HQ isn’t on US soil.

    #160 2 years ago
  161. Stardog

    Why would anyone buy this?

    #161 2 years ago
  162. G1GAHURTZ

    You never claimed it was good but for some odd reason you’re defending it because it doesn’t affect you.

    Exactly. I never said it was good.

    And I’m not “defending it” either.

    I’m simply questioning the reaction that people are having, which is that they won’t be able to play games 24 hours a day, and for most people, I think that’s simply not true.

    As for which console, then I’m sorry, but those restrictions aren’t an issue for me, and I intend to get the one with the best games/gaming experience.

    I’m online all day, and all night. I have unlimited data plans, and I don’t like to buy/sell 2nd hand.

    This is a non-issue for me.

    #162 2 years ago
  163. Eregol

    @138:

    No…

    Sorry, I don’t see the words ‘people should be happy’ in that quote.

    That’s not even close to what I said.

    I’m simply saying that I personally have been prevented from playing my favourite game for weeks (yes, weeks) because I had no online, but it wasn’t the end of gaming.

    In fact, in the end, I’m pretty sure that I put around 400 or more hours into MW2.

    ———————————

    Which you wouldn’t have been able to do if your console was an Xbox One.
    Wake up and smell the coffee man.

    #163 2 years ago
  164. ps3fanboy

    @163 G1GANOOBZ, Wake up and smell the shit man, how can you defend this at all… our gaming hobby is taken away from us, right under our noses.

    #164 2 years ago
  165. Mike W

    I hate the fact of this 24 hr check in theme, but what can you do?

    But the only thing that is bothering me is this whole used games/borrowing method, I’m not quite sure how that’s going to work.

    #165 2 years ago
  166. harr0w

    @163 agreed

    @165 he isnt defending it he saying it doesn’t cause him any issues which I bet is the same sentiment most gold live member will have because there more than likely constantly. onnected and very rarely have issues with connection etc.

    Which brings to question if everyone is constantly loseing connection to the internet change your isp there obviously shit. Ive been on virgin broadband since its inception and i can count one hand the number of times ive lost service.

    And this whole DRM/used games issue is solely down to the retailers/publishers not MS or Sony and they’ve actually done a smart move by stating so. It firmly puts the ball in the court of the retailer/publisher to be fair to the consumer

    #166 2 years ago
  167. NocturnalB

    @34 UnseenDX

    I was skimming the comments on this story and i just had to reply to you.

    I’m sorry to see you feel that way. You are the type of consumer that companies like Microsoft and EA pray upon. In a perfect bubble, you have a great connection and are always online anyways, check. You don’t trade your games in, you don’t lend them to your friends, and you always buy them new, check. You have no problem with a audio and video device always listen and watching the inside of your private residence, check.

    Ok, now what about the rest of us?

    I DO buy used games, the simple fact is these days I am not financially well off enough to spend $60 USD every single time I purchase a video game. I DO have a large family and plenty of friends and yes, we do all very much lend each other games constantly.

    I DO NOT, currently have a home internet line of any kind, I live in a rural area, there are literally zero ISP companies, not even satellite internet. Now yeah I could do as Dave mentioned in a related article and tether my phone long enough to jump through the hoops…. but why should I have to? Why should I be FORCED in the first place, for my console to HAVE to “check in”? Why are there fees?

    These companies not only think the “all digital” age is coming, they want and know it and are doing everything in their power to make it happen, they’ve been shaping it for years. WHY? Because when it comes to video games (and most any software) when you buy it, you are merely buying the license to play it!

    At any point, the drop of a hat, they could just up and tell you “Hey, we no longer want you to play this game” boom, they simply push the button and it is no longer yours. Or better yet: “Hey, we know you already payed for this game, but we want you to start paying an annual fee to keep playing it.” With an all digital age, it just makes it that much easier for them, and opens plenty more options for revenue… for them.

    So, maybe that helps make sense as to WHY Microsoft is so happily attempting to pander to the “broader” (aka casual) audience and so blatantly telling “core gamers” to pretty much like it or go f**k themselves. Because the larger broader audience (casuals) are like lambs to the slaughter. They will happily pay all the potential money Microsoft is currently drooling over.

    They (“the broader audience”) obliviously pay all the extra fees, make sure they are paying redundant subscriptions, they make sure they are always online, making sure that Microsoft gets all that delicious consumer data so they can further brainstorm on how to squeeze you for more money or better yet, sell that data to their friends so THEY can squeeze your wallet.

    Do not misinterpret what I am saying, I am not trying to demonize casual gamers as opposed to “core” gamers. If you love games a little or lot then you’re my kind of person, who I AM demonizing are the corporate posses out there who exploit ALL OF US. The posse in particular I am speaking of, being Steve Ballmer & co. Make no mistake though, being the fanboy of one particular company doesn’t make it any less evil than the other, I’m looking at you Sony friends.

    The sad thing is, how do you motivate such a large group of unassuming sheep in the world, to wise up?

    Edit: I’d just like to add: I think the sickest part of all of this is, not that it’s something that’s been happening for years, but the fact that they aren’t even trying to hide it anymore. This is brazen.

    #167 2 years ago
  168. mistermogul

    That’s me out of the MS ecosystem after 2 generations. I hope PS4 doesn’t follow MS’s lead with this otherwise it’s hello PC/Wii U for me!

    #168 2 years ago
  169. Eregol

    @166 The only thing that can really be done is not buy into this twisted ecosystem. The whole vote with the wallet thing.
    It’s unfortunate it should come to that, but the danger is that if a significant amount buy into the ecosystem (not necessarily a majority) then it could be seen as a success and then become the norm. At which point we all end up losers.

    This is a PR disaster right up there with the launch of the PS3.

    #169 2 years ago
  170. harr0w

    @168 sad but true. It happened years ago to the PC community(with the exception of not paying to play) and now steam in my eyes is the last safe place in that domain. Unfortunately its going to happen to you console kids too weather you like it or not. So it won’t matter weather it MS or Sony it will encompass everything eventually.

    And I won’t even get started on the freemium game models that there going to sting you with, thats one debate I’m gladly going to get me ringside seat and popcorn for.

    #170 2 years ago
  171. G1GAHURTZ

    Which you wouldn’t have been able to do if your console was an Xbox One.
    Wake up and smell the coffee man.

    You missed the point.

    I played MW2 for about 400 hours online.

    #171 2 years ago
  172. G1GAHURTZ

    The only thing that can really be done is not buy into this twisted ecosystem. The whole vote with the wallet thing.
    It’s unfortunate it should come to that, but the danger is that if a significant amount buy into the ecosystem (not necessarily a majority) then it could be seen as a success and then become the norm. At which point we all end up losers.

    Oh dear…

    Is that your justification for trolling the X1 all day long?

    Because you think that if you can brainwash enough people to hate it, it will fail, and no one else will try it again?

    What sort of logic is that?

    You do realise that the games industry will almost certainly NEVER stop trying to implement this, right?

    Wow.

    #172 2 years ago
  173. backup

    xbox1 and PC gaming both stupid thing from MS has it hahahaha

    #173 2 years ago
  174. Eregol

    @174 Oh dear
    You really took it that far? Really?
    Somebody asks ‘What can we do?’ I suggest an answer. I wouldn’t bother suggesting brainwashing again, as it’s pathetic, the whole ‘Vote with your wallet’ thing has been mentioned hundreds of times before in other articles, sometimes from the MS guys stating that ‘If you’re not happy with it, then don’t buy it.’
    Seriously dude, sort yourself out.
    Your arguments are flimsy at best, deluded at worst.

    #174 2 years ago
  175. ps3fanboy

    @174 G1GAHURTZ, sound more and more like a rape victim with the Stockholm syndrome.

    link:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

    #175 2 years ago
  176. G1GAHURTZ

    @176:

    It was a rhetorical question…

    And who answers a rhetorical question, eh?

    “Vote with your wallet”?

    Vote for what, exactly?

    People saying ‘If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.’ aren’t telling you to “vote with your wallet”. They’re telling you to stop whinging in article after article about something that you clearly have no intention of buying, and probably never did.

    You’ve suggested the “we” shouldn’t buy it to stop it from becoming a “success” and making us all “losers”…

    That’s a campaign if I ever saw one…

    #176 2 years ago
  177. Eregol

    I’ll leave you to your delusions. You’re too far gone.

    #177 2 years ago
  178. Clupula

    @178 – On on of your other various P.R. campaigns, you were talking about how much COD of FIFA sell, as a positive thing. Yet, when many people do something that disagrees with your corporate loyalty, suddenly, we’re trying to engage in brainwashing. Interesting.

    You can’t bring up the tastes of the masses in one thread and then turn right around and say that the opinion of different masses are wrong purposely because they’re united in that opinion.

    #178 2 years ago
  179. G1GAHURTZ

    @179:

    It’s called projection.

    #179 2 years ago
  180. G1GAHURTZ

    @180:

    Keep completely failing to grasp the point there, fella.

    You’re doing a grand job.

    #180 2 years ago
  181. Mjorh

    @GIGAHURTS You are defending it literally by not giving shit to what people think about it ! its a wrong decision n u gotta complain about it no matter what , no matter either it affects u or not.

    #181 2 years ago
  182. G1GAHURTZ

    ^ lol!

    Yeah, looks like the Borg has got me in their sights…

    #182 2 years ago
  183. Clupula

    @182 – Then please do explain it to me, in detail, what exactly the point is. Please, I’m an American. We’re notoriously slow. Instead of just saying vague bullshit that changes from thread to thread, please do break it down for me so even someone born in the land of George W. and Sarah Palin can understand.

    #183 2 years ago
  184. SPK777

    Its pretty simple. If you don’t have internet don’t buy the xbox one and quit bitching about it!!!

    #184 2 years ago
  185. viralshag

    There’s bit of a difference between defending something that’s wrong and defending something other people think are wrong.

    MS aren’t killing babies, they’re just imposing policies YOU don’t agree with. I don’t have a problem with them. That doesn’t mean I’m defending them, just that I’m not supporting your point of view.

    #185 2 years ago
  186. G1GAHURTZ

    @185:

    There, there… No need to be so hard on yourself, fella.

    Not every American is like this.

    I never said that CoD and FIFA selling was a good thing, or a bad thing. I simply made the point that people who mostly, or only play online, like I do, are more than capable of buying an X1 and having zero problems or issues with the newly unveiled policies.

    So ima break it down…

    Imagine a regular guy (a jock, maybe?) goes into a game store.

    Guy: Which console do you recommend me to pre-order, game store geek… Err, I mean, buddy?
    Clerk: Don’t get an X1! If you don’t connect to the internet once a day, you can’t play any games.
    Guy: But I want to play CoD and Madden online, anyway, so that’s not a problem for me.
    Clerk: Oh, well you can’t trade your games in! Or… well… you can, but you may have to pay a fee, and you can only gift them to one person.
    Guy: Listen buddy, I don’t wanna trade my games in. Is that the only problem?
    Clerk: Hah! You work for Microsoft! I knew it! You’re destroying gaming, yadda, yadda, yadda…

    The point is that people like this, and me, the 50-60 million or so regular CoD/FIFA players out there don’t have a need to complain, or join the likes of ‘Che Guevara’ above, there, over things like this.

    So, to me, stuff like: “the danger is that if a significant amount buy into the ecosystem (not necessarily a majority) then it could be seen as a success and then become the norm. At which point we all end up losers.

    Is complete nonsense.

    If I don’t buy an X1, which is definitely possible, I would hope that it’s going to be because of my own reasons (ie games), and not because someone told me what I should or shouldn’t like.

    #186 2 years ago
  187. Eregol

    @188 You still carping on?
    You clerk example is ludicrous. It’s a sales assistant’s job to educate customers who require it. If someone comes in and asks for a particular thing, it’s not down to them to dissuade them from buying it. But, they have to give all the facts.
    When I worked for Game a while back, someone came in and asked me what the best system was, I told them that the Xbox was the most powerful, the Gamecube was second, and had all the Nintendo they could want, but that the PS2 is the more widely spread and as such borrowing and swapping games with friends would be much easier to do. No scaremongering, just facts.
    You seem to not like facts, so it’s no wonder you overlook this.

    #187 2 years ago
  188. DoNNiEDaRkO50

    Seriously this isn’t about gaming anymore ! I can’t believe the amount of crap going on.what’s going up with their minds? It’s like they don’t care !! if not about us! they should care for their success!… so they have tried to calm down the sh*t storm than happened after the reveal but no good .. they keep saying they are addressing the problem !! but why the f**k didn’t you address it before revealing the god dam* console ! but it’s okay let’s give them a chance and wait till E3 . we said ! but they kept revealing things that have only done one thing. CONFUSING US !! then they reveal all this today ! I was shocked !! it’s like the news has ” Don’t Fu**ing buy this console” written all over it .and then to the used games bull .. I don’t buy used games that much ! but eventually I buy them ! even if don’t .. I bought the game. I have the right to do anything I want with it ! lending it, reselling it .. but then again MS said yesterday you can give your game to your friend who has been on you friend list for 30 days . and I can only do it once ! Oh Thank you soo so much !! LOL ..but what’s the point of the 30 days ?! and it’s not even available at launch which proves that it’s a new decision that have been rushed out to calm down the storm ! all I see is restrictions on my PROPERTIES !
    but it’s not over yet ! the console has to check internet connection every 24 hours or you can’t play games ! what? I saw this after the reveal but didn’t believe it.. and they even confirmed to a lot of sites and magazines : The XBOX ONE isn’t always online .. even angry Joe says it in his first angry rant video..didn’t they say that right after the reveal? but now they say it has to check internet connection every 24 hours ! So what’s the difference between this and always online? I don’t have fast internet connection here it’s not even stable ! so I am screwed ? And I am the kind of guy that travels a lot and Like to take my PS3 with me to have fun ! If I buy the new XBOX . I am screwed ? LOL Whatever! and what proves that they got nothing to say about the console :
    ”Share access with your games with everyone INSIDE YOUR HOME” should this be even called a feature? LOL
    and then they cancel their post conference !
    It looks like they are depending on the games ! but I’ll say this : Halo 5,Fable 4 or even Gears Of War ( which is done ) won’t convince people to buy the Console!you need to come out with something better than this !
    After the reveal of the console I had a feeling that MS is going all guns blazing at E3 and Sony should be worried but to be honest after yesterday .I have a feeling that their conference at E3 is going to be embarrassing and end up being a total disaster !
    My only fear is about the silence of Sony.. Sony have been playing it smart this time but if they came out at E3 And said that the PS4 will regulate used games and that it has Online DRM that would the most disappointing thing ever ! but if they didn’t do this then IMO Sony will be dominating like the PS2 days maybe even more if they priced the console right .
    Microsoft has gone downhill since windows 8 and windows 8 mobile and it looks that they aren’t trying to recover from it . but look what’s Sony is doing
    Anyway We will see at E3 I really hope I won’t be disappointed .

    #188 2 years ago
  189. viralshag

    @189, The FACT is some of these “problems” are not problems. And a lot of gamers won’t actually give two thoughts about all the crap people are complaining about.

    Always online and online check in, yeah it’s a fact, doesn’t make it a negative mark against the system.

    #189 2 years ago
  190. Eregol

    @191 I think you’ll find that it’s a negative mark for a lot of people

    #190 2 years ago
  191. G1GAHURTZ

    @189:

    So tell me…

    When you worked in GAME, would you have ever advised a customer with this information?:

    The only thing that can really be done is not buy into this twisted ecosystem. The whole vote with the wallet thing.
    It’s unfortunate it should come to that, but the danger is that if a significant amount buy into the ecosystem (not necessarily a majority) then it could be seen as a success and then become the norm. At which point we all end up losers.

    #191 2 years ago
  192. viralshag

    @192, Probably not for someone that plays mostly online MP – which is a big chunk of gamers today.

    #192 2 years ago
  193. Eregol

    @193 No. As it wouldn’t have been my job to do that. Not at work though, absolutely.
    Your point is moot. Try again.

    #193 2 years ago
  194. OmegaSlayer

    CAN YOU SELL AN XBOXONE ONCE YOU TIED/REGISTERED IT WITH YOUR PERSONA?

    #194 2 years ago
  195. Samoan Spider

    @196 There must be some kind of license transfer system set up so no reason why not. But that’s an assumption only.

    #195 2 years ago
  196. OmegaSlayer

    @197
    That means that Microsoft should give you the permission to sell the product you’re not satisfied with…
    A console is a piece of hardware like a couch (I’m my couch btw) and I don’t have to ask permission to sell my couch.

    #196 2 years ago
  197. G1GAHURTZ

    @195:

    Ah, so unless you’re a complete hypocrite, who keeps his mouth shut for money, you must realise that what you said is simply not the black and white truth that you’ve made it out to be!

    Why couldn’t you give these “facts” that you claim to be dealing with, if they are, indeed, facts?

    #197 2 years ago
  198. Samoan Spider

    @198 I answered your question with my hypothosis, doesn’t mean I like the answer. Welcome to the digital future. Btw, it’s the same now too, nothings changed on that front if I’m right.

    #198 2 years ago
  199. harr0w

    @190 Microsofts post E3 media roundtable & QAs havent been cancelled to correct you there.

    #199 2 years ago
  200. Djoenz

    Oh boy FFS……I wont support this nope…If Sony pursues its either WiiU or no games at all. I have to grow up someday I guess..

    Going all digital and online is giving me a bad taste in the mouth…

    #200 2 years ago
  201. orakaa

    Between this AND the Kinect mandatory use.
    Oh, for those naive (or plainly stupid) who say that Kinect don’t matter as you can turn the functions off and are mocking people’s concerns by accusing them of conspiration theories… just have a look at this.
    http://gizmodo.com/the-nsa-and-fbi-have-been-spying-on-our-internet-habits-511750202

    Amongst the companies involved is… oh, what a surprise… Microsoft. And content monitored/transferred included audio, video, browser history, etc.
    Now put this into perspective with a camera, in your living room that NEEDS to be plugged and working all the time if you want your Xbox One to work. If you could really turn the camera off completely, then you could ALSO plug it off, which you can’t. Why?

    #201 2 years ago
  202. viralshag

    @197, They have said you can sign into someone else’s machine using your profile, so I’m sure a store can remove yours and re-sell the console.

    #202 2 years ago
  203. Eregol

    @199 You question was:
    So tell me…

    When you worked in GAME, would you have ever advised a customer with this information?:

    “The only thing that can really be done is not buy into this twisted ecosystem. The whole vote with the wallet thing.
    It’s unfortunate it should come to that, but the danger is that if a significant amount buy into the ecosystem (not necessarily a majority) then it could be seen as a success and then become the norm. At which point we all end up losers.“

    ————–
    And I answered that I wouldn’t tell them that. Did I state that I wouldn’t tell them the facts? No, you put that in there yourself.
    I’d give the consumer all the information they need to make the decision themself, and not pressure them into it. That’s not what a sales assistant is there for.

    You’re really bad at this. Are you even trying?

    #203 2 years ago
  204. OmegaSlayer

    @201
    I deactivate my PS3 and format my HDD and sell it.
    I think Microsoft will try in all way to make the resell of an XBOXONE nearly impossible.
    So people will have unused bricks at home and who wants one is forced to buy it full price.

    #204 2 years ago
  205. viralshag

    To be honest I’m thinking I will just let my Xbox One get online to check in whenever I log on to VG247 to troll the PS4… problem solved!

    #205 2 years ago
  206. Samoan Spider

    @206 Oh right, you’re trolling and not actually asking a question. Gotcha. Sad fucker. Well I formatted both my 360 hd’s and sold everything. I formatted my ps3 and sold it. I’m certain if I do decide to buy and later sell a PS4 and XBO there won’t be a problem there either.

    #206 2 years ago
  207. Djoenz

    Does it require a mandatory gold sub as well to authenticate your account every 24 hours?

    Xbots can now crossgamechat and or skype oh wow. Wonderful.

    #207 2 years ago
  208. zinc

    I’m siding with Giga on this one.

    No I don’t like what the xbone offers so far, but their are others who do. All the forum rage in the world won’t change that.

    And to be fair Sony are being quite coy, so don’t count your chickens just yet.

    #208 2 years ago
  209. G1GAHURTZ

    @205:

    And I answered that I wouldn’t tell them that. Did I state that I wouldn’t tell them the facts?

    Well, you did say that you “deal in facts”. So if you’re giving advice that the customer needs, why would you need to hide facts?

    Why keep the ‘truth’ from them, if you want them to make the right decision?

    The simple answer is that you’re not dealing in facts. You’re dealing in opinion. Saying that “we all end up losers” is your misguided opinion, and a million miles from being a fact.

    If it was, you, or anyone else, would have absolutely no hesitation in telling it to a customer.

    But you’ve admitted that you wouldn’t say it, because you know that there are many millions of people out there who will simply support these policies without a care (“but the danger is that if a significant amount buy into the ecosystem“), and that is why you’re trying to “put pressure” on people here.

    Or in other words, ‘brainwash’ them. First point still stands.

    I’d give the consumer all the information they need to make the decision themself, and not pressure them into it.

    Your words, not mine.

    Perhaps you should afford other people around here the same courtesy…

    #209 2 years ago
  210. Eregol

    @211 Once again. I never said I’d hide the facts from them, I said that I wouldn’t tell them what I said here. 2 completely different things.
    Still, you’re accussing me of attempted brainwashing while also trying to impose your opinion on me and others. Your hypocrisy is staggering.

    #210 2 years ago
  211. G1GAHURTZ

    Ok, tell me what opinion I’m trying to impose on you.

    #211 2 years ago
  212. Djoenz

    Xbox DELUSIONAL!
    One day people will regret buying this…

    #212 2 years ago
  213. Eregol

    @213 That all this rubbish that MS are imposing on consumers isn’t a big deal. That we should all just deal with it and carry on.
    Unfortunately as can be seen across the internet, a lot of people just don’t agree with you.
    You obviously get a kick out of trying to shout people down, making your points obtuse and then getting confrontational when people step up to them but that doesn’t stop the fact that people are entirely allowed to voice their opinions.
    I don’t think the header at the top of this page reads G1GA24/7 does it?

    #213 2 years ago
  214. Djoenz

    BAM-> Playstation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all
    http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2013/03/20/michael-denny/

    #214 2 years ago
  215. viralshag

    I actually think his point and opinion is that a lot of people won’t care about all this. In which he is right. You’ve really been arguing something completely different the whole time.

    I’m with G1GA on this one as, like him, a lot of my time is spent online with FIFA and having to be “always online” is something I try to do anyway with all of my tech.

    I don’t think I have anything I don’t actively try to have connected to my network when I can. That includes my 360, PS3 (when I had it), TV, iPad, S3 and PC.

    #215 2 years ago
  216. Djoenz

    You CHOOSE to be online. You are not forced. This is a restriction and even if you are not affected by it you should be against it instead of defending it or ignoring it.

    If you really didnt care you would have stopped commenting ages ago so you guys are infact defending it.

    Worthless sheeple.

    #216 2 years ago
  217. Eregol

    @217 Not really, as consumers we really should be looking out for other consumers when something like this comes along. Burrowing your head in the ground and saying ‘Doesn’t affect me’ is only going to strip our consumer rights back further when every company starts thinking that doing this stuff is ok.
    Sticking up for the big corporations basically makes them right and makes the consumer suffer.
    My company recently started implementing a fee to be charged if people didn’t actively do something on their account several times a month, and had the cheek to say that they hope the customers shared their enthusiasm for the future, well, they didn’t, and clients went away in droves, even those that would manage to avoid this fee.

    Many opinion pieces sprouting up on the internet on respected gaming websites are against this move, the minority may sit there and say ‘Well, they don’t speak for me.’, but they do speak for everyone else.

    #217 2 years ago
  218. viralshag

    @218/219, Yes and believe it or not I will CHOOSE to buy an Xbox One if I want to with the exact same intention because 1. I can and 2. it’s made to be like that.

    So for me, it ticks boxes I’m for rather than against. So why should I back up and agree with people I don’t share the same opinion with?

    Edit: To further that, I’m all for a totally digital landscape. Most of my purchase are made digitally unless I have to visit retail which is not very often.

    It’s great you want to protect the “good old days” but quite frankly, the direction it’s heading is OK with me. That’s my opinion, deal with it.

    #218 2 years ago
  219. G1GAHURTZ

    @215:

    That all this rubbish that MS are imposing on consumers isn’t a big deal. That we should all just deal with it and carry on.

    Hey, if it’s a big deal to you, it’s a big deal to you.

    Like I said before, I couldn’t care less who does or doesn’t buy the thing, and for what reason.

    What I have a problem with, is individuals, such as yourself, trying to “pressure” (your words, not mine) people into agreeing with you and finding fault where there is no fault.

    That’s what you do.

    What I do is simply tell you that not everyone has to think like you. That’s not imposing an opinion. That’s defending free thought.

    Unfortunately as can be seen across the internet, a lot of people just don’t agree with you.

    Well woop-ti-doo for them. They can do what they like. Unlike you, I’d never try and dissuade a single one of them from buying the console of their choice because “we all end up losers“.

    You obviously get a kick out of trying to shout people down, making your points obtuse and then getting confrontational when people step up to them but that doesn’t stop the fact that people are entirely allowed to voice their opinions.

    Again, this is called projection. The only person trying to “pressure” (your words, not mine) people into following an opinion (not facts) is you.

    The only person leaving leaving snide, unnecessary remarks at the end of every comment is you.

    #219 2 years ago
  220. Djoenz

    @220
    Thats your right yup.

    “Deal with it” Touché.

    #220 2 years ago
  221. absolutezero

    Industry apologists turn my stomach.

    #221 2 years ago
  222. zinc

    This is all really rather fun :)

    Just an observation; All this passionate rage against the xbone will probably drive more 360 users into choosing the xbox again.

    No-one likes being lectured.

    #222 2 years ago
  223. viralshag

    @22, :P

    I do get where you’re coming from. To me though, I don’t consider it as “burying my head in the sand”. I just don’t think it’s that bad as you still have a choice.

    I might pick the One because everything it does perfectly fits into my gaming life anyway. If I lived in an area with poor internet, I might have a totally different opinion.

    But I don’t and the One regardless of other peoples situations, will work fine for me and a lot of other people in a similar position.

    You still have a choice of the PS4, WiiU and PC. Maybe the Xbox One just isn’t the console for you. Simple.

    #223 2 years ago
  224. Eregol

    @220&221 Yawn
    Seriously. I’m not pressuring anyone at all. People come in here, voice an opinion, you tell them they’re wrong, they tell you why they’re not wrong, and you shout them down by sputing off the same waffle you’ve said all along suffixed with #dealwithit.
    It’s a sad state of affairs when consumers don’t stick up for each other yet side with the big multinational.
    My concerns are with the consumer, I don’t want us all to end up with these draconian measures where we’re all treated like we’ve done something wrong. Too much more of this and we’ll end up with a future Demolition Man stylee.

    #224 2 years ago
  225. Clupula

    @188 – Have you been to America? That video is a pretty accurate depiction of my countrymen. I’d say the majority of people here are dumb as box of nails.

    It’s probably why the 360 is the top selling system here.

    HA! I made a zinger.

    #225 2 years ago
  226. viralshag

    @226, I am sticking up for other consumers, in this case that happens to be G1GA because I agree with what he says in that this doesn’t seem like that much of a problem.

    You’re the one saying it is, which simply isn’t true because there are commenters here that DON’T have a problem with it.

    You’re not being forced to buy an Xbox, so stop acting like you are.

    @227, Buuuuuurn. That was a good one.

    #226 2 years ago
  227. Eregol

    @228 No, I’m not being forced to buy one, but it only takes a 2:5 ratio to buy one for it to be seen as a success, then it becomes par for the course and everyone sign up to it.
    Then everyone has to #dealwithit.

    #227 2 years ago
  228. harr0w

    These comments and arguments remind a lot of when steam first started except massively more childish and hugely misinformed (the odd few)

    #228 2 years ago
  229. OlderGamer

    Tea would have a field day with this stuff

    #229 2 years ago
  230. viralshag

    @229, Well considering the consoles aren’t even out yet I think it’s a little early to talk about the death of gaming as we know it.

    Well considering I will at some point own both consoles like I did this gen, I guess that removes me from the equation as long as they support different ideals.

    #230 2 years ago
  231. Eregol

    @232 Don’t consider this an attack on MS, it’s an attack on the practice. If Sony did it I would be just as up in arms.

    To clarify:
    I like the idea of interactive TV, I don’t like how MS have integrated it.
    I like the idea of publishers getting something back from pre-owned sales, I don’t like how MS have integrated it.
    I like the idea of having an uber powerful new console, I don’t like how MS have integrated it.
    I like the idea of being able to play old games if I want to, I don’t like how either Sony or MS have integrated it (Not at all).

    #231 2 years ago
  232. viralshag

    @233, To be honest if I had that many issues with a console I simply would write it off as something I’m not interested in and wouldn’t buy it.

    Your idea of the One is how you don’t want gaming to go, I would say the same for the Wii or the WiiU. Members here love the WiiU, I can’t see why to be honest but do I think they shouldn’t buy it? Of course not, it’s their choice.

    Do I have to deal with it? Sure do.

    #232 2 years ago
  233. Eregol

    WiiU is nice and all. Typical Nintendo. It’s just this gen’s Gamecube.

    #233 2 years ago
  234. MCTJim

    As I read through the thrashing that people are giving MS about this check in every 24 hrs, I ask this..why so upset over this? All Devices connect to the Internet..or cell towers…hell if your phone cant connect to a tower, it kills the battery because it always wants to be connected or on. I don’t know of any single person that turns off their Internet when playing games..not a single one. So it connects and checks..I’ve never taken my PS3 or 360 offline..its always plugged in. Is this really a big deal to many people? No its not..just the complainers and naysayers.

    As for people serving in the military..like my brother, don’t buy one yet. There..simple. Maybe they will extend the check in to 30-60-90 days. You know they can do this on the MS Server side.

    As for used games…I only buy used games to try them so I can return them if they stink. I see people are upset that the publisher gets a cut of the used game sale…why should it matter to you who gets a cut of the used game sale from Gamestops or any retailer..we ALWAYS get crap money for trade ins. There is no activation fee..well EA always charged be it PS3 or 360…but now they don’t..its up to the publisher..as it always has been. I personally and this is my personal opinion of used games..I don’t sell them back because of the policy of getting 50% or less what I paid for it even if its a week or two old. You should all place your anger at the retailer and not who gets a cut of the proceeds.

    As for which system I am going to get. The games will indeed make the choice for me. Which system has better games/exclusives. I am a grown person and I can make the choice myself without falling prey to all the rumors and half truths and biased opinions.

    Bottom line, if you don’t like the XBox One..don’t buy it. If you don’t like the PS4..don’t buy it.

    #234 2 years ago
  235. Djoenz

    Rumors and half truths and biased opinions are finished tbh. (Microsoft put it all on the table)
    They made their points and everyone is just expressing their opinions. Nothing wrong with tht.

    Ive seen this behaviour before. Yay sayers against nay sayers.
    I have played many times offline btw. Different people different opinions and different circumstances.

    Yaysayers that are bitching about Naysayers are exactly the same. We are all bitching.

    #235 2 years ago
  236. MCTJim

    I wasn’t referring to what is actual truth, but most of the online rumors we hear that consist of rumor and fact. Its all out on the table when it comes to online with the One. They are saying once a day so its once a day.

    Maybe it’s because I live in the States that always on is not a big deal. I’ve been in the IT industry for 25 years as an engineer…everything nowadays is always on.

    Well to each his own on this topic. Games will decide for me and that is the deal breaker. I am going to be purchasing both systems..who has the better games is the system I will get first.

    #236 2 years ago
  237. Djoenz

    @238
    I agree with you totally MCTJim.
    Im just saying not everyone is online 247 :P I played lots of titles Offline.

    Also Im in the middle of moving out so I dont have internet yet, but thankfully I can play offline.

    Its all about unnecessary restrictions that pisses me off.
    Yeah its all about the games most definitely.

    I have the feeling though that I will stick for current gen for a long time. Massive backlog.

    #237 2 years ago
  238. luv1138

    PS4 > Xbox One

    #238 2 years ago
  239. karma

    “Used games is up to the publisher” lol, yeah like thats not gonna be an issue for any of us. FU M$.

    #239 2 years ago
  240. Phoenixblight

    @241

    Sony said the same exact thing.

    #240 2 years ago
  241. Lengendaryboss

    @Phoenixblight
    Exactly.

    #241 2 years ago
  242. Lewis247

    NOPE NOT A FUCKING CHANCE. This is basically a ‘fuck you’ to you as a consumer and a ‘fuck you’ to your daily fucking routine. Holy shit.

    What if I go away for a week? What they gonna do, block my access to games and a console I’ve paid money for?

    Holy shit, they can literally go fuck themselves. Honestly I go on my xbox and ps3 to play games when I feel like. I don’t want to feel like I need to log in everyday to fucking justify my purchase.

    I just.. Can’t believe they are adopting this.

    #242 2 years ago
  243. Lengendaryboss

    @244
    This, theres has to be some angle to all this.

    #243 2 years ago
  244. zinc

    I don’t understand why they couldn’t adopt a one time online register type deal.

    The way I see it, theirs just too many hoops to jump through, to gain access to their walled garden.

    What would I gain? Skype?

    #244 2 years ago
  245. OwningXylophone

    @244

    “What if I go away for a week? What they gonna do, block my access to games and a console I’ve paid money for?”

    Erm, they don’t block you forever you know… So you connect to live when you get back from your holiday and hey presto! Everything works!

    #245 2 years ago
  246. ps3fanboy

    Xbox One is like the 9/11 of the gaming world. A disaster so grand it actually united gamers (except for a few social degenerate here at vg247) of all types and creeds against those who wish ruin on gamer’s way of life. MS is just the face.

    #246 2 years ago
  247. CyberMarco

    ^ I think you should straight up your priorities in life. Again, how old are you?

    #247 2 years ago
  248. KineticCalvaria

    @248, you’re actually comparing a terrorist attack which killed innocent people to a games console? You fucking sick twat, if wanting you banned is childish then I’m a goddamn toddler.

    #248 2 years ago
  249. Clupula

    Seriously, can he just banned now? In that other thread, I was saying that he needs a warning to calm his ass down. Well, I’d say he’s been more than warned, at this point.

    #249 2 years ago
  250. Ireland Michael

    @247 You completely missed the point,

    Just to give an example of myself personally there are at least two to three months in the year when I am without any form of mobile or broadband Internet whatsoever.

    According to Microsoft, this means I will be completely excluded from playing the games that I paid for, on the console that I paid for.

    No.

    #250 2 years ago
  251. i1west

    Guys, I registered here only to give you nice, eatable reasons why connection once in a day is bad.
    First. Long long time ago, far far away, one hacker actually made a nice and good attempt to hack Sony’s servers. Sony had to bring their servers down for a month. Imagine if something will happen with Microsoft. XBox One will turn into a glorious blu-ray player.
    Second. Well, maybe something not that global, but a hurricane or tornado will break your connection for a few days. Or for a few weeks, if you live somewhere far from big cities. I hope you got my point.
    Third. Well, personally I am from Russia. 3 years ago I had no any internet connection at all. And I live near the big damn f***ing Moscow. i can only imagine how much percent of my countrymates just have no internet connection at all. And what can I say about african countries or some asian countries?

    Result: i will buy myself an XBox One. Tagged. Hacked. Chipped. Or whatever pirates will make with it.

    #251 2 years ago
  252. Clupula

    @248 – Also, it is ironic that you’d say that something else united gamers of all stripes against it, because that certainly seems to be what you’re determined to do for yourself.

    #252 2 years ago
  253. OwningXylophone

    @ Ireland

    The comment “What they gonna do, block my access to games and a console I’ve paid money for?” reads as if he means blocked forever, if that was not the point of the comment then yes I did miss it.

    As for all the people saying that now we will only buying be a license to rent our games, I draw you attention to this passage from the Injustice: Gods Among Us TOS:-

    “WB Games grants you the non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable, limited right and license to use one copy of this product for solely and exclusively for your personal use”

    So technically we already only buy a revokable license to our console games anyway. The way the XB1 actions this just makes it possible for publishers to actually implement these TOS.

    #253 2 years ago
  254. Lewis247

    @247 Right so think about.. Why the need to log in every day then if it’s going to be fine if I *don’t* log in per day. It’s literally the most pointless feature every to be established.

    The bit that drives me nuts is, Cool if I don’t sign in for a week cause I’m away then fine, when I’m back hey presto I’m back on Halo 5… But what if my Internets down for the week? The console and MS won’t know the difference and BLOCK me using my own fucking games while I’m at home. Now, tell me, is that not complete bullshit?

    #254 2 years ago
  255. Gnosis

    @253 Yeah, I’m actually expecting ppl to hack the shit out of it. Don’t think, it’ll take that long either. Well, we’ll see.
    I’m not gonna dayone any of next gen consoles anyway and in two or three years after the release the situation will be more transparent. We will know how exactly this shit works, how many developer and publisher will jump on the train and whether it’s gonna be a train wreck or not by that time.
    So, if you excuse me, there are some video games waiting for me…

    #255 2 years ago
  256. ps3fanboy

    @253 i1west, This is going to far according to Microsoft, this means if you loses internet you will be completely excluded from playing the games that you paid for, on the console that you paid for. How can anyone say with a straight face they are gonna buy this?, Seriously???… even if it get hacked it will be useless when the game depend on software that is run in the cloud. Don’t think for a second that Microsoft will let you on their network with your hacked xbone. The best thing you can do is not buy it at all, vote with your wallet bro…

    #256 2 years ago
  257. Djoenz

    These verifications will they be processed in the background or will customers literally see a pop up?

    If its subtle and in the background I dont think its an issue as long as retailers inform all the customers of what this unit does.

    #257 2 years ago
  258. Ireland Michael

    @259 I would imagine its automatic when you’re online.

    But if you’re not, imagine a big giant wall of text telling you that you should be.

    #258 2 years ago
  259. zinc

    I wonder if it will be on the packaging.

    “Warning: Online required for games to work”

    #259 2 years ago
  260. ps3fanboy

    @261 zinc, a warning for online requirement will be mandatory. even in usa. or microsoft will risk being sued…

    #260 2 years ago
  261. KyukiYoshida

    “Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies.” I’m sorry, but it seems the microsoft has forgotten that the xbox is a GAME CONSOLE and not a damn cable box or DVD player. You want us to pay how much for a console, only for you to police when we can play games, what games to play and even IF we can play them, yeah, that’s a big fat fucking NOPE. Like how can they seriously take a console that you paid for, and tell you that you can’t play the games that you pay for, without an internet connection, that you also pay for. This is why I hate new generation gaming.

    #261 2 years ago

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