Thu, Nov 22, 2012 | 10:39 GMT
‘Slow, horrible’ Wii U: THQ rep unhappy with the way quote has been spun
Metro: Last Light probably isn’t coming to Wii U, following some rather damning comments regarding the hardware from a developer at 4A Games. Publisher THQ has stepped in to shed light on why the negative comments were made.

Chief technical officer at 4A Games Oles Shishkovtsov originally made the comment during a NowGamer interview, in which he said, “[The] Wii U has a horrible, slow CPU.”
Eurogamer spoke with THQ’s 4A Games rep Huw Beynon to get some perspective on the comment, who said, “I think there was one comment made by Oles the programmer – the guy who built the engine.
“It’s a very CPU intensive game. I think it’s been verified by plenty of other sources, including your own Digital Foundry guys, that the CPU on Wii U on the face of it isn’t as fast as some of the other consoles out there. Lots of developers are finding ways to get around that because of other interesting parts of the platform.
However, Beynon is unhappy with the way Shishkovtsov’s comment has been handled in the press, and suggests that only half of the story has been reported, “I think that what frustrates me about the way the story’s been spun out is that there’s been no opportunity to say, ‘Well, yes, on that one individual piece maybe it’s not as… maybe his opinion is that it’s not as easy for the way that the 4A engine’s been built as is the others.
“What it doesn’t go on to look at is to say that, you know, we could probably get around that. We could probably get Metro to run on an iPad if we wanted, or on pretty much anything.
“Just as in the same way that between PC and current console versions there are some compromises that need to be made in certain places and we strive to get the very best performance that we can from any platform we release on.
It’s a natural practice in the press right now – given the scrutiny placed on the Wii U Format – Bynon suggested, “But I understand that there’s a real appetite in the media at the moment because the Wii U is a hot topic to spam some stories that are going to attract a lot of links if they present it in a certain way.”
Beynon added that a Wii U version is still possible, but rather unlikely, as the small team at 4A Games is currently working on the PS3 version. Given the time required to fully use the Wii U hardware to its potential – rather than just releasing a shoddy port – Beynon suggested it would be a big ask.
What do you think about Shishkovtsov’s comment? Blown out of proportion, or a developer speaking freely? Judge for yourself below.


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#1
Mike W
22/11/12, 10:43 am
Yea you got to watch what you say nowadays.
#2
ps3fanboy
22/11/12, 12:31 pm
i am very happy with the comments about wii-u being slow as hell and crap. it is the truth, nintendo release a cheap ass 2006 console in soon 2013. when ps4/x720 comes in 2014 it is over for nintendo and their wii-u, because there will only be cpu intensive games out there. you will have the usually exlusives and then the rest will be shovelware and crapware. there is no wii-mote to save nintendo this time.
#3
SplatteredHouse
22/11/12, 12:39 pm
That man said something and it got reported. I don’t think Beynon has any grounds to criticise the publication of the comments, unless they were shown to be taken out of context.
#4
AmiralPatate
22/11/12, 12:44 pm
When I look at Metro 2033, I think he may just be stupid. Metro 2033 is the least optimized game I have ever seen on PC. So if I were him, before I took it on the hardware, I’d wonder myself if it’s not just a software issue.
#5
mistermogul
22/11/12, 12:51 pm
@2 – Dude are you for real?
Read what you said out loud and actually hear your voice – do you know you sound like a complete twat who writes embarrassing, trolling comments every day?
You should probably remember (though I doubt you’re old enough) that Nintendo get written off every generation and seem to survive just fine on the strength of their own IP alone.
I can’t understand people like you who are not just defensive about their chosen platform of fanboyism, but also attack anything that Nintendo do regardless of what they actually think of it.
This behaviour baffles me and the only explanation I can think of is that you do it because you are actually jealous of their games.
Do you know how many features of your beloved PS3 were born on Nintendo platforms?
Grow up…
#6
Clupula
22/11/12, 2:22 pm
@5 – It’s funny how you’re supposedly calling someone out on fanboyism and yet, here you are, being a Nintendo fanboy, claiming people are jealous of Nintendo’s games.
Because, you know, none of us could actually buy the system if we wanted to play those games. Maybe we’ve grown out of childish and constant Mario sequels. Maybe we like to see new IP’s, targeted at people our age. Maybe we’re tired of people acting as though Nintendo invented videogames, when I remember the days when Nintendo were a third party company on the Colecovision.
Look in the mirror before you start acting the twat, son.
#7
Clupula
22/11/12, 2:28 pm
And about PS3 features that were born on Nintendo platforms? What does that even matter? How many features of the Wii U were born on the Dreamcast? How many features of the 360 were born on the NES? How features of the NES were born on Atari? Everyone takes a little bit from everyone before them. The main problem with the Wii U is that, six years later, it still doesn’t stack up to what the PS3 and 360 can do and that is a huge problem. It’s Nintendo playing catch-up and in a year or two, it’ll be outdated already.
#8
Cobra951
22/11/12, 3:39 pm
[Need to close the quote before "However, Beynon . . .". I can see how that happened too--some quick editing into the multi-paragraph quote. LOL! Add: Same before "It's a natural practice . . ."]
@3:
Not only that. Beynon’s comments in protest of the story are jumbled and confusing. It makes me think they’re backpedaling clumsily, and haven’t even formulated a decent cover story yet. The tech guy meant what he said. He was frustrated, and blurted out something that can’t be taken back now.
#9
OlderGamer
22/11/12, 3:47 pm
Yeah Nintendo is so screwed with the WiiU, I mean look at all of those systems not selling and sitting on the store shelves… oh wait…
…your loss boys.
But if it makes you feel better, knock yourself out.
#10
monkeygourmet
22/11/12, 3:52 pm
@7
Wii U is this gen.
There’s still x amount of years till MS or Sony come out with a new console.
Xbox 360 + Kinect = £250
Wii U + pad = £250
It’s not like there trying to sell it too you for £500 or something?!
We all knew the tech wasn’t crazy powerful, why do you keep going on about it?
If Nintendo were really that worried about next gen machines, they could have easily made a powerhouse.
It’s not like they don’t have the R & D or cash…
They will again become the second console in the living room.
Lot’s of people had Wii,
Lots of people had Wii + 360,
Lot’s of people had Wii + PS3…
Nintendo wins on all these fronts.
Not many people had 360 + PS3 because they are essentially the same console.
Nintendo operates in a seperate space they created, the Wii U is not about power and was never intended to be.
Get a PC if you want to wave your tech-dick around.
#11
OlderGamer
22/11/12, 4:17 pm
MG +1
#12
Clupula
22/11/12, 5:06 pm
@9 – “Your loss, boys?!?”
When did you become Mae West?
#13
dreamcastnews
22/11/12, 6:31 pm
Whoever listened to 4A games anyway? Lets look at their games shall we? Metro 2033 was only on Xbox 360 because these cretins lacked any decent coding skills to port it to the PS3, I bet they said that same back then.
I will wait until we at least know maybe in a year or so when everyone actually has some experience with the machine…. It wouldn’t surprise me if Nintendo take their Dev kits back from 4A and give them a fuck off pill.
As for Wii U being crushed by consoles not out yet, lets just wait and see shall we? Jeez count chickens before they hatch much?
#14
ManuOtaku
23/11/12, 12:10 pm
Like i said in the original post for this news, this guys obviouly didnt had the time to check all the WiiU characterisitics, therefore he might saw the slow CPU as a detriment, but i think he only did saw that part and move along, i think the CPU can be slow compare to other CPU becuase the GPU is more than the current gen, the RAM is more than current gen, therefore they can work things aroung with a current gen CPU, maybe he forgot this is in fact a CPUGPU unit, where the GPU is the bigger one and not current one.
As for the Nintendo Vs Sony thing, guys if you can defend Sony on Sony related threads, why nintendo followers cannot do the same
#7 clupula “Maybe we’ve grown out of childish and constant Mario sequels” “Maybe we like to see new IP’s, targeted at people our age. Maybe we’re tired of people acting as though Nintendo invented videogames”
Maybe you see nintendo games as childish, but they are not hence the everyone or teen clasification, which is very different to child only, mario IPS, as much as there are, they are all different in style, gameplay, and type of game, paper mario is not the same as mario land, and both of them are very different to mario galaxy or shunshine or super mario bros, mario as a character is milked, on that notion i agree, but his games are not, all of them are very different in style and gameplay mechanics.
I think they did not invented games, i mean nintendo, but they did save gaming back on 1983, without nintendo at that time, we might not be talking about home consoles now, credit where credit is due.
#15
OlderGamer
23/11/12, 4:02 pm
As for the Nintendo Vs Sony thing, guys if you can defend Sony on Sony related threads, why nintendo followers cannot do the same
Exactly, and what company just had their value to junk bond level? Hmm, wonder.
#16
Christopher Jack
23/11/12, 4:07 pm
@15, Because humans are hypocrites.
#17
Dragon246
23/11/12, 4:08 pm
@15
Which company has the worst performing gaming division at a loss of half a billion dollars?
I wonder, maybe “the only games company”.
#18
Clupula
23/11/12, 4:20 pm
@15 – Ah ha! And the curtain has been opened and it is truly revealed that, as believed in an earlier thread, you ARE hoping for the fall of Sony. Because someone truly unbiased wouldn’t bring up that sort of thing in a taunting manner.
#19
ManuOtaku
23/11/12, 4:43 pm
#18 clupula “Because someone truly unbiased wouldn’t bring up that sort of thing in a taunting manner”
The thing is that Sony Followers came here as almost the first commenters in this thread, in a very aggresive taunting manner agaisnt nintendo, therefore we are not the firsts ones to taunt, and in Sony threads, we are not the first ones to jump, like vampires to the neck, like some sony followers do with in nitendo posts, at least not in that aggresive matter.
#20
Gekidami
23/11/12, 4:59 pm
The funny thing is that there wasnt even a “Nintendo Vs Sony thing” in these comments, the PS3 was only briefly brought up by someone defending Nintendo (#5). But i guess we all know at this point that OG has to vent his insecurities.
#21
Erthazus
23/11/12, 5:00 pm
“Like i said in the original post for this news, this guys obviouly didnt had the time to check all the WiiU characterisitics, therefore he might saw the slow CPU as a detriment, but i think he only did saw that part and move along, i think the CPU can be slow compare to other CPU becuase the GPU is more than the current gen, the RAM is more than current gen”
God, jesus, what a stupid comment. CPU is much more important for a console then any other part on the console.
They are developers one of the most beautiful games in this generation and I think they know more about the hardware then you. You don’t need to check out all characteristics to see what’s the problem.
You need a devkit and that’s it.
WiiU CPU is slower then 360 or PS3 (!) fact (!) and no matter how much ram it has or GPU it is inferior then these two outdated consoles from 2006.
I could agree with you If that thing said a shitty developer but 4A games dev is excellent when it comes to technology so yeah, WiiU – CRAP at best with kitchen sink for 400$
for 400$ I can buy myself something better that will do every game in 60 frames per second and without shitty control scheme aka Kitchen sink that is without multitouch screen.
#22
ManuOtaku
23/11/12, 5:27 pm
#21 Earthazus “God, jesus, what a stupid comment. CPU is much more important for a console then any other part on the console.
They are developers one of the most beautiful games in this generation and I think they know more about the hardware then you. You don’t need to check out all characteristics to see what’s the problem”
I never said the CPU is not the most important aspect, what i did try to said that this time nintendo went for a CPUGPU configuration, and for that it might be slow, but it has the GPU to back it up, because it is a mixed estructured, therefore the GPU and help with the slowliness of the CPU.
And also maybe they are the greatest developer out there, but if they didnt had the time needed to evaluate the WiiU innards in the proper way, it doenst matter the expertise or the greatness of the developer, i think they only tested a few things without having the full time needed, because other games like COD black Ops II, ninja gaiden 3 are better looking on wii console, and there are other ports that is not dicernable difference between the consoles like ACIII, etc, adding to the fact there are other developers like gearbox that stated quite the opposite, so in my eyes or they didnt want to develop for WiiU in the first place for various reasons, valid or not, who knows, or they didnt had the proper time needed to make a valid opinion out of it.
#23
Clupula
23/11/12, 5:42 pm
@22 – Are you actually trying to say Ninja Gaiden 3 looks better on Wii U? There’s plenty of sites that will disagree with that.
Are you going to assert Arkham City next, so someone can show you the video of the textures not loading in one section on the Wii U version?
#24
ManuOtaku
23/11/12, 6:07 pm
#23 Cupula well i might be wrong, because i based my comment on the lot of praises it did received on some sites, i mean that the WiiU version did correct some wrong things with the original game on the other consoles, all of this make it the better version at the moment, so maybe you are right and it doenst look better, but even if it looks the same, the point that i try to make is that there are games that are being ported and there is not discernable difference between the three consoles, or at least major differences, even COD looks better on the WiiU, therefore one has to question to which extent the Horrible slow CPU is true, and if this is true why there is not horrible ports graphics comparision wise that validates this notion?.
#25
Gekidami
23/11/12, 6:24 pm
^
http://kotaku.com/5961467/bad-port-or-bad-hardware-were-already-hearing-complaints-about-wii-u-visuals
#26
ManuOtaku
23/11/12, 6:36 pm
#25 but they are not horrile ports, they have some issues true , but thats the norm even between ps3 and 360 this gen, they are some games that run better on the 360 (bayoneta) and there are some games that run better on the ps3 (darksiders), if COD didnt looked better on the WiiU, i would have say well it might have something to do with the hardware, and not the developers, but there is a precedent, why they didnt run with the same horrible slow cpu problem?, well at least is to early to tell future games that will be releasing on the same day for now on will tell the story, especially like coloniel marines or other third AAA titles, or at least when we have proper and certain information about the CPU and all the innards of the WiiU.
#27
zinc
23/11/12, 6:37 pm
The sad thing here is that THQ & 4A Games obviously didn’t want to get dragged into some silly fanboy war… But that’s what’s exactly has happened :-/
Yes the WiiU will be lacking in certain area’s, but any dev worth their salt will soon be able to work around them. Much the same way devs had to work around the PS3′s “horrible” split RAM.
#28
Dragon246
23/11/12, 7:08 pm
@Manu
Where is it said that COD looks better on wiiu, even if its the worst version feature wise?
#29
ManuOtaku
23/11/12, 7:22 pm
#28 Dragon it was on a NG4 thread they made a comparision between the three consoles and the WiiU, according to them did had the advantage, of course this was not taking any features of the game, just grapchics wise.
#30
zinc
23/11/12, 7:30 pm
^ link or it didn’t happen
#31
Gadzooks!
23/11/12, 7:37 pm
I can’t believe people are stupid enough to judge a console on launch titles. That’s pretty funny.
Compare PS3 and 360 launch titles to what we have now.
Extrapolate.
#32
Christopher Jack
23/11/12, 8:12 pm
You may have had a point if those launch titles could top the equivalent of a 6 year old console’s version. PS3 & X360 games were certainly a leap over the previous gen while even the original Wii offered a modest improvement. This is just a very poor showing on Nintendo’s behalf. Nintendo were certainly right when they claimed they were in their own cycle, unfortunately that cycle is over 5 years behind every one else.
Of course performance isn’t the only factor when it comes to a purchase, but when it’s this poor, it’s certainly a deal breaker for me, personally.
#33
Da Man
23/11/12, 8:43 pm
Clunky, broken videogame from a below average developer which took six years to make this tripe..
They can keep their comments to themselves.
#34
Joe_Gamer
23/11/12, 10:22 pm
@33: Even a broken clock is right twice a day XD
#35
Christopher Jack
24/11/12, 4:32 am
@35, Do you literally spew cynicism? Because you appear to be frothing it.
#36
Da Man
24/11/12, 9:01 am
^Sorry I ruined your weekly Nintendo bullshit rush, boy.
#37
Dragon246
24/11/12, 1:03 pm
@Manu
WiiU cpu sucks, has worst version of blops2
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-black-ops-2-wii-u-face-off
#38
DarkElfa
24/11/12, 1:07 pm
Maybe it was just easier for the programmer to blame the sluggishness on the Wii U’s hardware than on his unoptimised gamecode.
#39
DarkElfa
24/11/12, 1:11 pm
@38, They ported a game written for the 360, “lock, stock and barrel” to the Wii U. Do that in reverse and let’s see how the 360 handles it.
#40
Clupula
24/11/12, 2:48 pm
@40 – That’s a bridge that will be crossed when Bayonetta 2 gets ported.
#41
Dragon246
24/11/12, 3:03 pm
Just wanted to add something to my previous post, I would give ninty kudos for making a energy efficient device (most probably because of smaller manufacturing process), but the cpu tradeoff was too bad. I wonder why there arent any big hoards of zombies in zombieu or why dynasty warriors is difficult to develop for wiiu. Cpu thing will really bite them in the future.
#42
monkeygourmet
24/11/12, 3:36 pm
CPU sounds pretty shit all in all.
But, lazy devs and ports aren’t really good ways to judge graphics.
Mario Galaxy was one of the best looking games this gen and it was very old tech.
Even if the Wii U could kick out something like that in HD it’s got nothing to worry about graphics wise.
Chasing better graphics is always going to be a bottomless pit. Even when new machines are announced (using current speculated specs, 4 gig ram etc…), the PC will still shit all over them.
The only problem I see facing Nintendo, is if MS & Sony get their subscriptions right.
Paying £500 plus for a next gen uber machine would be a hard sell over the PS3 / 360 / Wii U, but to charge £20 a month over 2 years may attract a lot more people. However, that opens the flood gates for every major game becoming subscription based only, that would put me off completly.
In that way, Nintendo’s Wii U, could be the last console as we know it.
I love the fact people are slagging it off, when MS and Sony could completly shit on the current idea of console gaming with their new machines.
No second hand market
Advertising
Also on DRM
Subscription based franchises (Forza, COD, GT etc…)
If it’s anything like that i’ll happily stick with my Wii U!
#43
Dragon246
24/11/12, 4:02 pm
@43
“No second hand market”
Power to you. People like you who buy second hand games are the main reason DRM and all this things are happening. Second hand sales and piracy are the 2 biggest problems industry faces, and you really don’t have right to complain about anything because game companies don’t receive a dime from you.
Stay classy, who knows, maybe your beloved wiiu will die because of second hand customers like you and not because of a slow cpu or high price.
If plus like subs are the future, then I will completely embrace it. Getting 51 games in a year for 50$ is as good a deal as it gets.
#44
monkeygourmet
24/11/12, 4:30 pm
@44
It’s not second hand games, it’s the huge franchise stores like Game.
Offering people £10 for a £40 game then selling it second hand for £35.
When the average joe walks in, they steer them towards the 2nd hand copy as they make more off it.
Thats just corperate greed as per usual. But small second hand game stores are fine.
What about imports? I know you like your JRPG’s. These smaller stores are the only place you could get imported titles in the SNES era, know they are all dying out.
Thats nothing to do with being a problem for the industry, it’s what kept gaming going and people learning about new styles of games in the 90′s…
Big corperations then came in and fucked it up…
Nothing new there.
If I buy a physical product, I have every right to sell it on if I wish.
DRM and the destruction of second hand sales is about one thing, and one thing only:
Control
It’s just another way to control and lock down the media we consume, they always blame pirates, it’s all very handy for them to have someone to point the finger at.
It’s like when big companies try and blame pirates for the price of their ‘quality original’ Blu rays or DVD’s that are packed with bullshit adverts.
You must believe everything you hear…
#45
polygem
24/11/12, 5:09 pm
clupula and dragon are 2 of the three worst ps3 fanboys on this page…noone should reply to their trash. i don´t do it anymore. they are just twen trolls. noone should care about their miserable fanboy shit.
dragon, being the platform fanboy he is, now blames the second hand market for the downfall of the videogame business…well this is pure comedy
#46
Dragon246
24/11/12, 5:13 pm
@45
Don’t worry about my imports, they are all original new games from playasia. No second hand for me, thank you.
For second hand and piracy, the problem is not with corps. but many people like yours lame sense of “ownership” and “belonging”. I have no problem with people selling off things, but if you(I mean any person) buy second-hand(sh from now on), please don’t come on gaming forums because you not contributing a dime to the industry.
The problem is 2 fold, earlier on, games were only single player, so sharing and sh became accepted. But soon online gaming came, and constant revenue became a major issue, with network passes being the solution (a good one). Now pure single player games are dying because there is no way to monetize sh single player games and the simple fact that online games generate so much more revenue than single player ones. This vicious cycle can easily lead to the death of single player games. Games are a personal experience for me like animes, so death of single player games will be a huge blow for me and no doubt, many others. SH sales are a major contributor to this.
@46
By all means continue your NDF brigade. Also thanks for describing yourself. And continue buying second hand and pirated copies of ninty games, that would really help them.
Maybe your really are affected by the ninty magic you described. Flaming others wont help your cause, it just shows your argument is a weak one.
Facts hurt, don’t they? Still waiting for your proof regarding me stating false facts.
#47
polygem
24/11/12, 5:53 pm
buying new AND used. no pirated games for me. never.
not even buying wiiu at launch. so much for your ndf fantasy bullshit
nintendo magic exists – sony magic doesn´t
i don´t need to proof anything to a desperate troll
EDIT: i just realised you got me again. i am responding…..well, whatever: what facts are you even talking about? i mean, yes, your comments DO hurt indeed, but definiteley NOT because of facts. stop taking those drugs man.
#48
Dragon246
24/11/12, 6:03 pm
@48
Keep up the hating and flaming. Just shows you have nothing worthwhile to add except talking about ninty magic.
You forgot to add a smiley this time.
Still no proof, you really are making a fool out of yourself, saying others troll when you talk about non-existing bullshit like ninty magic.
Stay classy.
#49
Erthazus
24/11/12, 6:16 pm
@polygem, Halo and nintendo fanboy. Jeez.
#50
OlderGamer
24/11/12, 6:40 pm
Show me a gamer that isn’t a fan of something.
I am Nintendo and PC fanboy. Meaning that I find games on those platforms that I really enjoy. I also find alot of games that I like on XB360. So I could be grouped in that fanboy group too. I have three maxed out toons on Dungeon Hunter Allience, sinking a total of near 200 hours playing(hint it is a PS3 game). I have also put near 100 hours on Fat Princess. And prolly 250 hours on Warhawk. So, maybe that even makes me a Sony Fanboy.
If you are a gamer, you are likly a fan of something.
It isn’t being a fan that causes problem, it is the blind hatered towards what other people enjoy that causes issues.
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