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Diablo 3′s a “significant product,” but Torchlight 2 will offer more, says Schaefer

Tuesday, 18 September 2012 21:18 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

Diablo 3 is a “significant product,” from Blizzard, according to Runic CEO and former Blizzard man Max Schaefer, especially since it’s nearly “impossible” to meet the expectations of the Diablo community.


Speaking with IGN
, Schaefer said while Diablo 3 is a good product, in comparison, Torchlight 2 will offer players offline single-player and more replayability.

“First of all, I think [Blizzard'a] geting a bad rap. Meeting the expectations of the Diablo community is going to be impossible,” said Schaefer. “No matter what they do, it’s been 10 years and the expectations have built up so much. They’re going to run into criticism.

“They’ve actually put out a significant product there. But what I think we’re offering something that some players may prefer [with Torchlight 2], things like the offline single-player play. Basically, we’re not trying to create a secure economy. We don’t have to have these crazy protection mechanisms in place. We’re giving our development tools out with the game so that the modding community can go crazy with it and make all kinds of cool new stuff.”

Schaefer said there will be more randomization of dungeons and character customization with Torchlight compared to Diablo 3 as well.

“Some of the criticism of Diablo III was about how there isn’t really a lot of differentiation between builds of a character, because they all unlock the same skills at the same time,” he said. “There’s less of an opportunity to make a character that’s truly individual for you. I think that could have the possibility of reducing longevity, because once you’ve played through it with a character, there’s no particular reason to go through and try a different build.

“I think that we also have, maybe, a longer game at this point. More randomization. A little bit more replayability. I think that Diablo III focused a little more on super-polished mechanics and balance and look and art direction. They’re on a Blizzard level. They’re seriously good. But it’s at the expense, a little bit, of the replayability.”

Torchlight 2 is out this week on September 20.

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13 Comments

  1. BULArmy

    Dear Runic, you are starting to piss me off. Stop trying to sell your product like it is the second coming of Jesus and it will be the last game in that genre that we will need to play, ever. Ah and also all the subtle D3 hate is also not helping.

    Now, T2, I am excited for the game, because I am a sucker for this genre, but T2 is just an expansion of the first game and nothing more. I was in the beta and for me it is just fun for a lot of hours. Nothing mindblowing, just addiction the same way I am addicted to D3. Yes it don’t have bad DRM, but for me it is nothing so mindblowingly better then D3, as some ppl try to convince everybody. It is just a VERY nice upgrade to the first game.

    And now I will be a little D3 fanboy.

    Dear Mr. Schaefer, how much of a support will the game get. Because T1 got no, kein, nada, zilch? Because I am absolutely sure D3 support will be available for at least 5 more years and if nothing else Blizzard are the kings of post release support.

    #1 3 years ago
  2. Cobra951

    Since D3′s online lock is wholly unacceptable, T2 will be the only way I revisit this genre anytime soon. I hope it lives up to the promise. We shall see.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. wishdokta

    Someday, we’ll learn Schaefer and Roper being the same person.

    #3 3 years ago
  4. DSB

    Well, if nothing else, namedropping Diablo 3 will get you a bit more publicity than if you were just, you know, talking about your game.

    I love all the real advantages T2 has though. Offline play, mod tools, pets, humor.

    On the other hand it’s ugly to look at, and I personally felt like the whole attribute system was wasted on gameplay that wasn’t very detailed or complex in the beta.

    You’re kind of going Call of Duty mode against hordes of enemies, and it doesn’t make a lot of difference what they’re doing or you’re doing, as long as you’re moving and clicking.

    Do I really want to concern myself with attributes just to do that?

    I guess we’ll see once the full game hits.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. magnumfinger

    I hate it when former Blizz employees use the term “Diablo” over and over again to advertise their new game. Come on, you have your shot for the past 12 years, time to move on and stand with your own feet.

    Remember before Hellgate and Mythos arrives? Yeah, it’s the same B.S.

    As for Schaefer and the rest of the gang, I believe even if they’re the ones who developed D3 today, it’ll be the same. Sure, it may have retained its dark & gothic design with a better story line, but at the end of the day, it will still have the auction house and MMO-like feeling.

    And oh, remember, these folks were the ones who want to reveal Diablo 3 as early as 2005 and push it as an MMO. Imagine how worse could’ve that been?

    #5 3 years ago
  6. TheWulf

    @1

    Except they’re not doing that at all? Maybe you need to stop hating Torchlight II so much that you read entirely new things into it that weren’t there. There’s reading between the lines, and that’s bad enough, but then there’s rewriting those lines entirely.

    Also, trying to be clever like that is unbecoming, because you’re not really being clever. You’re being a bit of a brat. And that’s definitely not helpful to any kind of message you have.

    Blizzard dropped the ball on a lot of things, history speaks for itself. You can bring up things factually that were failures that have no subjectivity involved. Like the game being originally balanced to coerce RMAH use, or the connectivity issues, or the lack of modding and customisation. All of these are valid complaints. And on a subjective note, I felt that Act I was a real drag as well, and didn’t work well at all as an introduction to the game.

    Now, what he is saying is that Diablo III is a polished experience despite all that, but that it doesn’t offer things that some people might want. It really did lack a lot of customisation, it did so objectively. It was noted by a lot of people as being a Diablo Lite in and of itself. Some people like customisation and randomisation. Torchlight II will be the better product for them because of it.

    That’s what he’s saying. And I don’t doubt this.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. magnumfinger

    Tried playing TL1 and TL2′s beta, but I guess it’s not the right one for me, mainly because I can’t stand its graphics.

    The thing that worries me though is whenever I visit its forums at Runic, I feel like the community is dead. As in, I feel like the heat of this game would only last for 6 months. Then that’s it.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. TheWulf

    @4

    Did you think that Trine 2 and Project Giana were ugly, too? I understand that some people don’t like that style, but Torchlight has always pulled it off with a great degree of efficiency, and it’s always been visually coherent. You can make out what things are, and everything fits with a visual theme. If you’re in an area that has a certain kind of atmosphere, then the mobs and things in that area fit that theme.

    It does this better than Diablo III, in my opinion. Now, I’d call Diablo III utterly bland by comparison, and lacking in the level of visual cohesion (due to good art direction) that Torchlight has. But I’ve never called Diablo III ugly. ‘Ugly’ is just a very silly word. I find it a bit of a preschool word, to be honest, if you’re just throwing it out there.

    As far as ‘going Call of Duty against hordes of mobs’ is concerned. That’s bullshit. Straight up bullshit. And I have to call you on shitmongering, I wouldn’t be me if I didn’t. TotalBiscuit had a few impressions videos of the Torchlight II beta which you can look up on Youtube, and it shows enemies using strategies which you have to respond to in different ways. Such as avoiding poison fields, traps, ambushes, and looking for ‘tells’ when enemies are about to do specials. If you run in ‘Call of Duty style,’ you’re going to die.

    And that’s ignoring the fact that there are actually puzzle dungeons in this game. Ignoring is convenient, I know, but if you’re actually going to be fair, you should mention that there’s more than just smacking around mobs in this game (unlike similar games of the genre).

    #8 3 years ago
  9. TheWulf

    @7

    Despite the thriving mod community that’s continuing to make great content for Torchlight I?

    I hate bullshit. Roust all the shitmongers and string ‘em up!

    I’m sorry, it bugs me.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. TheWulf

    @5

    “I believe even if they’re the ones who developed D3 today, it’ll be the same.”

    Based upon… what? What the voices in your head tell you?

    “And oh, remember, these folks were the ones who want to reveal Diablo 3 as early as 2005 and push it as an MMO. Imagine how worse could’ve that been?”

    Sigh. No. No they aren’t.

    Seriously. The bullshit of Blizzard fans. You guys reek of it.

    #10 3 years ago
  11. iseeit

    I have all 5 classes done with diablo 3 inferno. Took me about 400 hours combined and sold all my gear at the end for a almost ten times the cost of the game. My profile name is “Narbs” if any of you want to check it out for my achievements etc.

    With that said, Diablo 3 is a fucking disaster. They killed Caine in act 1 for no significant reason, alienating every diablo 1 and 2 fan while spitting in their faces. That right their should sum it all up for folks. Anyone who defends diablo 3 as a worthy game to play for a long period of time is simply 1) on the blizzard payroll, most likely damage control hired out of indian telemarketter companies 2) diluted fool, who just bought the game less then 5 days ago so they are ignorant of the problems.

    I’m looking forward to torchlight because for 1/1000th of the resources (manpower, time spent in development, cost to produce, etc) you get a superior product. The actual levels the game takes place in ARE randomly generated. Every single map in diablo 3 is highly scripted, the waypoints are always in the same places and the exits/entrences are always located in the same exact locations on diablo 3 maps. The only thing “randomly generated” about the diablo 3 maps are the useless foliage like the rocks and barrels and even those are chosen from a predetermined roster of less then a dozen.

    I could go on and on but what’s the point. Anyone who takes their gaming and genres seriously already knows just how large of a disapointment diablo 3 is. And conversely, how superior of a product torchlight 2 is.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. Sini

    I can’t give two shits if single player is offline or not, was way more bothered by terrible main npc characters dialog. Terrible plot and writing.
    Having said that, every time I see the screenshots of this game it makes me think it’s some peasant version of diablo 3.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. magnumfinger

    TL2 = Hellgate in Disguise..

    and it will be irrelevant even before we hit the holidays..

    #13 3 years ago

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  • Destiny gameplay designer exits for Bethesda

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  • What to expect from the Call of Duty Championship this weekend

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  • MLB 15 The Show video highlights improved graphics, updated grass patterns

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  • Valve to offer HTC Vive Developer Edition free to qualified developers

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  • DriveClub gameplay video features MotorStorm’s off-road buggies

    Some gameplay footage of MotorStorm’s off-road buggies in DriveClub has surfaced. Pictures of the buggies were shown on the Japanese PlayStation Blog earlier this month, which considering the game was developed by Evolution Studios – which developed MotorStorm – this isn’t too much of a surprise. The buggies were first spotted by Videogamer, which pulled […]

  • Mortal Kombat X live-action TV spot features the track Chop Suey

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  • Bloodborne Forbidden Woods progression bug caused by multiplayer summon

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  • Yo-Kai Watch game franchise has sold over 7 million copies

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  • Bloodborne trademark returned to Sony after accidentally losing it

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  • GTA 5 PC official trailer coming next week, 15 new screenshots released

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  • PSN real-time server status page launching in Europe soon

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  • Exclusivity contract prevents Bioware from revealing Dragon Age: Inquisition DLC release on PS4

    Bioware is unable to discuss when the Jaws of Hakkon DLC for Dragon Age: Inquisition will arrive on platforms other than PC and Xbox One. According to various tweets from executive producer Mark Darrah, due to the exclusivity contract between EA and Microsoft, the studio is unable to announce a release date for PlayStation 3 […]

  • LEGO Batman 3 demo, Namco Museum, more added to North American eShop

    Nintendo has updated the North American end of the eShop with a demo for LEGO Batman 3, Namco Museum on Wii U Virtual Console, and various sales. Below is the full update. Nintendo eShop Dot Arcade – Wii U LEGO Ninjago – 3Ds LEGO Batman 3: Beyond Gotham Demo – Wii U Harvest Moon: The […]

  • Square Enix’s Easter Surprise bundle contains five mystery PC games

    Square Enix offering another mystery bundle to customers in the UK, which comes with five mystery PC games for £3.99. As before, customers will be unaware of the games they are purchasing in the mystery bundle, but the bundle contains triple-A titles worth £40 combined. One of Square’s previous mystery bundles contained Tomb Raider, Just […]

  • From Software’s PSone game Shadow Tower coming to PSN

    Shadow Tower, the first-person action-RPG developed for the original PlayStation by From Software, will be released on PlayStation Network. In the 1998 title, players took on the role of a mercenary who has returned home to the Holy Land of Zeptar to find the place has been sucked into the Underworld. He must use the […]

  • PlayStation TV gets price cut in the UK, now £44.99

    PlayStation TV has received a price cut in the UK. After several retailers started offering the console for less than the RRP of £84.99, users on DealSpwn began to wonder whether this is an official price cut, and not just regular deals or stock clearance. Sony later confirmed the new price of £44.99. “Starting from […]

  • Fast & Furious expansion for Forza Horizon 2 is now available, for free

    You can download Forza Horizon 2 expansion Fast & Furious starting right now. Forza Horizon 2 Presents Fast & Furious is available to download now through Xbox Live for Xbox One and Xbox 360. The expansion is standalone, so you don’t need to own Forza Horizon 2 to play it. It’s also free from now […]

  • Fire-based weapons come to PayDay 2 with the Butcher’s BBQ Pack

    The 20th DLC for PayDay 2, the Butcher’s BBQ Pack, is now available on Steam. The DLC will run you $4.99/€4.99 and features: Piglet Grenade Launcher, 12G Steakout Shotgun and Mk1 Flamethrower Molotov cocktails and incendiary ammo Four new masks, patterns, materials and achievements The Butcher’s BBQ Pack is another co-development between Overkill and Croatian […]

  • Lords of the Fallen developer offers Hideo Kojima a job

    Amid the current turmoil between Hideo Kojima and publisher Konami, one studio has offered the legendary designer a position. Lords of the Fallen developer Deck 13 took to Twitter to extend a job offer to Hideo Kojima. Dear Mr. @HIDEO_KOJIMA_EN In case you are currently searching, we have an open position as Head of Game […]

  • Destiny Xur update: should you buy MIDA Multi Tool?

    The question on every Destiny player’s lips today. And the answer, supplied by resident Destiny expert Paul Davies, is… Yes! We asked Paul whether or not he thought Xur’s Exotic weapon this week was worth the 23 Strange Coins. Here’s what he said: “It was already a great gun to own for PVP owing to […]

  • Final Fantasy 15 has an all-male cast to make it “more approachable”

    According to Final Fantasy 15 director Hajime Tabata, the main cast of the game is all-male because it makes the game “more approachable.” Final Fantasy 15 director Hajime Tabata spoke to Gamespot about the reason for his choice of making the core cast an all-male affair. “Speaking honestly, an all-male party feels almost more approachable […]

  • Hearthstone Blackrock Mountain is coming April 2

    Blizzard has given Hearthstone expansion Blackrock Mountain a solid release date. Hearthstone’s Blackrock Mountain adventure pack will be released April 2 in the Americas region, and April 3 in Europe, Korea, Taiwan, and China. Blackrock Depths is the first wing to be released, others will follow one week apart. Other than the 31 new cards, […]

  • Bloodborne: if you can’t load your save after installing firmware 2.50, this will help

    If you’re having issues loading your Bloodborne save after applying firmware update 2.50 to your PS4, this should help you out. Reddit user KBALLZZ encountered an issue after installing update 2.50 on his PlayStation 4. Bloodborne started reinstalling the day one patch again and when it was done he couldn’t continue his game or load […]

  • Use this code to get 10% off on PSN purchases

    Sony is offering a 10% discount coupon to anyone looking to buy games on PlayStation Store this weekend. Sony’s latest discount coupon code is here. You’ll receive 10% off your cart total when buying from the PSN Store. The offer is not valid on purchases made on PS Vita, PlayStation TV, PSP, or in-game stores. […]

  • Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin upgrade path announced, system specs revealed

    Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin will offer returning customers a chance to upgrade at a discounted price. Those who already own Dark Souls 2 on Steam and are interested in picking up the Scholar of the First Sin edition will be happy to know that publisher Bandai Namco is offering them an […]

  • Bloodborne: this is what happens when you have 40 Insight

    Insight is one of the currencies in Bloodborne, but it’s also a mechanic that affects the gameplay. There are MASSIVE SPOILERS below, so turn back now or one of Bloodborne’s gameplay mechanics will be SPOILED for you. Just like Blood Echoes in Bloodborne, Insight is used to purchase certain items from vendors in the game. […]

  • Phase two of Xbox One April update brings voice messages, dedicated servers for party chat, more

    The second phase of the April update for Xbox One is now open to members of the Preview programme and and it looks like there are even more features in store. Phase one of Xbox One’s April firmware update started a few days ago with improvements to party chat and achievements notifications. Today, phase two […]

  • GTA 5′s graphical “downgrade” is a bug, will be fixed in upcoming patch

    As of patch 1.8 for GTA 5 on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, a few graphical issues have cropped up leading some to believe there has been a stealth downgrade to the game’s overall graphics. Over the past couple of days, Reddit went nuts over a video showing what appears to be a downgrade to […]

  • Destiny: Xur location and inventory for March 27, 28 – MIDA Multi-Tool edition

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  • Destiny vault space upgrade will have enough room for every Exotic

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  • Half-Life 2: Update mod applies some sparkle to the original title

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  • Neverwinter MMO can now be pre-downloaded on Xbox One

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