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Diablo 3′s a “significant product,” but Torchlight 2 will offer more, says Schaefer

Tuesday, 18 September 2012 21:18 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

Diablo 3 is a “significant product,” from Blizzard, according to Runic CEO and former Blizzard man Max Schaefer, especially since it’s nearly “impossible” to meet the expectations of the Diablo community.


Speaking with IGN
, Schaefer said while Diablo 3 is a good product, in comparison, Torchlight 2 will offer players offline single-player and more replayability.

“First of all, I think [Blizzard'a] geting a bad rap. Meeting the expectations of the Diablo community is going to be impossible,” said Schaefer. “No matter what they do, it’s been 10 years and the expectations have built up so much. They’re going to run into criticism.

“They’ve actually put out a significant product there. But what I think we’re offering something that some players may prefer [with Torchlight 2], things like the offline single-player play. Basically, we’re not trying to create a secure economy. We don’t have to have these crazy protection mechanisms in place. We’re giving our development tools out with the game so that the modding community can go crazy with it and make all kinds of cool new stuff.”

Schaefer said there will be more randomization of dungeons and character customization with Torchlight compared to Diablo 3 as well.

“Some of the criticism of Diablo III was about how there isn’t really a lot of differentiation between builds of a character, because they all unlock the same skills at the same time,” he said. “There’s less of an opportunity to make a character that’s truly individual for you. I think that could have the possibility of reducing longevity, because once you’ve played through it with a character, there’s no particular reason to go through and try a different build.

“I think that we also have, maybe, a longer game at this point. More randomization. A little bit more replayability. I think that Diablo III focused a little more on super-polished mechanics and balance and look and art direction. They’re on a Blizzard level. They’re seriously good. But it’s at the expense, a little bit, of the replayability.”

Torchlight 2 is out this week on September 20.

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13 Comments

  1. BULArmy

    Dear Runic, you are starting to piss me off. Stop trying to sell your product like it is the second coming of Jesus and it will be the last game in that genre that we will need to play, ever. Ah and also all the subtle D3 hate is also not helping.

    Now, T2, I am excited for the game, because I am a sucker for this genre, but T2 is just an expansion of the first game and nothing more. I was in the beta and for me it is just fun for a lot of hours. Nothing mindblowing, just addiction the same way I am addicted to D3. Yes it don’t have bad DRM, but for me it is nothing so mindblowingly better then D3, as some ppl try to convince everybody. It is just a VERY nice upgrade to the first game.

    And now I will be a little D3 fanboy.

    Dear Mr. Schaefer, how much of a support will the game get. Because T1 got no, kein, nada, zilch? Because I am absolutely sure D3 support will be available for at least 5 more years and if nothing else Blizzard are the kings of post release support.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Cobra951

    Since D3′s online lock is wholly unacceptable, T2 will be the only way I revisit this genre anytime soon. I hope it lives up to the promise. We shall see.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. wishdokta

    Someday, we’ll learn Schaefer and Roper being the same person.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. DSB

    Well, if nothing else, namedropping Diablo 3 will get you a bit more publicity than if you were just, you know, talking about your game.

    I love all the real advantages T2 has though. Offline play, mod tools, pets, humor.

    On the other hand it’s ugly to look at, and I personally felt like the whole attribute system was wasted on gameplay that wasn’t very detailed or complex in the beta.

    You’re kind of going Call of Duty mode against hordes of enemies, and it doesn’t make a lot of difference what they’re doing or you’re doing, as long as you’re moving and clicking.

    Do I really want to concern myself with attributes just to do that?

    I guess we’ll see once the full game hits.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. magnumfinger

    I hate it when former Blizz employees use the term “Diablo” over and over again to advertise their new game. Come on, you have your shot for the past 12 years, time to move on and stand with your own feet.

    Remember before Hellgate and Mythos arrives? Yeah, it’s the same B.S.

    As for Schaefer and the rest of the gang, I believe even if they’re the ones who developed D3 today, it’ll be the same. Sure, it may have retained its dark & gothic design with a better story line, but at the end of the day, it will still have the auction house and MMO-like feeling.

    And oh, remember, these folks were the ones who want to reveal Diablo 3 as early as 2005 and push it as an MMO. Imagine how worse could’ve that been?

    #5 2 years ago
  6. TheWulf

    @1

    Except they’re not doing that at all? Maybe you need to stop hating Torchlight II so much that you read entirely new things into it that weren’t there. There’s reading between the lines, and that’s bad enough, but then there’s rewriting those lines entirely.

    Also, trying to be clever like that is unbecoming, because you’re not really being clever. You’re being a bit of a brat. And that’s definitely not helpful to any kind of message you have.

    Blizzard dropped the ball on a lot of things, history speaks for itself. You can bring up things factually that were failures that have no subjectivity involved. Like the game being originally balanced to coerce RMAH use, or the connectivity issues, or the lack of modding and customisation. All of these are valid complaints. And on a subjective note, I felt that Act I was a real drag as well, and didn’t work well at all as an introduction to the game.

    Now, what he is saying is that Diablo III is a polished experience despite all that, but that it doesn’t offer things that some people might want. It really did lack a lot of customisation, it did so objectively. It was noted by a lot of people as being a Diablo Lite in and of itself. Some people like customisation and randomisation. Torchlight II will be the better product for them because of it.

    That’s what he’s saying. And I don’t doubt this.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. magnumfinger

    Tried playing TL1 and TL2′s beta, but I guess it’s not the right one for me, mainly because I can’t stand its graphics.

    The thing that worries me though is whenever I visit its forums at Runic, I feel like the community is dead. As in, I feel like the heat of this game would only last for 6 months. Then that’s it.

    #7 2 years ago
  8. TheWulf

    @4

    Did you think that Trine 2 and Project Giana were ugly, too? I understand that some people don’t like that style, but Torchlight has always pulled it off with a great degree of efficiency, and it’s always been visually coherent. You can make out what things are, and everything fits with a visual theme. If you’re in an area that has a certain kind of atmosphere, then the mobs and things in that area fit that theme.

    It does this better than Diablo III, in my opinion. Now, I’d call Diablo III utterly bland by comparison, and lacking in the level of visual cohesion (due to good art direction) that Torchlight has. But I’ve never called Diablo III ugly. ‘Ugly’ is just a very silly word. I find it a bit of a preschool word, to be honest, if you’re just throwing it out there.

    As far as ‘going Call of Duty against hordes of mobs’ is concerned. That’s bullshit. Straight up bullshit. And I have to call you on shitmongering, I wouldn’t be me if I didn’t. TotalBiscuit had a few impressions videos of the Torchlight II beta which you can look up on Youtube, and it shows enemies using strategies which you have to respond to in different ways. Such as avoiding poison fields, traps, ambushes, and looking for ‘tells’ when enemies are about to do specials. If you run in ‘Call of Duty style,’ you’re going to die.

    And that’s ignoring the fact that there are actually puzzle dungeons in this game. Ignoring is convenient, I know, but if you’re actually going to be fair, you should mention that there’s more than just smacking around mobs in this game (unlike similar games of the genre).

    #8 2 years ago
  9. TheWulf

    @7

    Despite the thriving mod community that’s continuing to make great content for Torchlight I?

    I hate bullshit. Roust all the shitmongers and string ‘em up!

    I’m sorry, it bugs me.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. TheWulf

    @5

    “I believe even if they’re the ones who developed D3 today, it’ll be the same.”

    Based upon… what? What the voices in your head tell you?

    “And oh, remember, these folks were the ones who want to reveal Diablo 3 as early as 2005 and push it as an MMO. Imagine how worse could’ve that been?”

    Sigh. No. No they aren’t.

    Seriously. The bullshit of Blizzard fans. You guys reek of it.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. iseeit

    I have all 5 classes done with diablo 3 inferno. Took me about 400 hours combined and sold all my gear at the end for a almost ten times the cost of the game. My profile name is “Narbs” if any of you want to check it out for my achievements etc.

    With that said, Diablo 3 is a fucking disaster. They killed Caine in act 1 for no significant reason, alienating every diablo 1 and 2 fan while spitting in their faces. That right their should sum it all up for folks. Anyone who defends diablo 3 as a worthy game to play for a long period of time is simply 1) on the blizzard payroll, most likely damage control hired out of indian telemarketter companies 2) diluted fool, who just bought the game less then 5 days ago so they are ignorant of the problems.

    I’m looking forward to torchlight because for 1/1000th of the resources (manpower, time spent in development, cost to produce, etc) you get a superior product. The actual levels the game takes place in ARE randomly generated. Every single map in diablo 3 is highly scripted, the waypoints are always in the same places and the exits/entrences are always located in the same exact locations on diablo 3 maps. The only thing “randomly generated” about the diablo 3 maps are the useless foliage like the rocks and barrels and even those are chosen from a predetermined roster of less then a dozen.

    I could go on and on but what’s the point. Anyone who takes their gaming and genres seriously already knows just how large of a disapointment diablo 3 is. And conversely, how superior of a product torchlight 2 is.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Sini

    I can’t give two shits if single player is offline or not, was way more bothered by terrible main npc characters dialog. Terrible plot and writing.
    Having said that, every time I see the screenshots of this game it makes me think it’s some peasant version of diablo 3.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. magnumfinger

    TL2 = Hellgate in Disguise..

    and it will be irrelevant even before we hit the holidays..

    #13 2 years ago

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    Borderlands 3 may not have been announced at PAX this weekend, but studio boss Randy Pitchford is currently recruiting for the next game in the series. We are recruiting for next Borderlands. This is the big one. Industry badass? E-mail me: heyrandy@gearboxsoftware.com pic.twitter.com/ZG9dLytX1B — Randy Pitchford (@DuvalMagic) January 26, 2015 A recruitment push would suggest […]

  • Destiny: less grind, fairer economy in House of Wolves DLC

    Destiny developer Bungie has said it aims to lessen the grind in House of Wolves, and it won’t repeat mistakes it made with rewards in The Dark Below. Gear rewards will be fairer, according to lead designer Luke Smith in a Neogaf thread. For example, buying from a vendor should not invalidate gear rewarded for […]

  • Halo: The Master Chief Disaster

    Over two months since release and Xbox One’s big Christmas game is still a turkey, says Rich Stanton. “The game has now been available for two-and-a-half months, including the blockbuster Christmas season, and by any reasonable standard it doesn’t work.” Halo: The Master Chief Collection launched worldwide on November 11, 2014. Intended as something of […]

  • Homeworld Remastered Collection dated, first gameplay footage released

    Homeworld Remastered Collection has a release date, and as promised, the gameplay footage of Gearbox Software’s remake has been released along with the news that Homeworld Shipbreaker development continues. The video was shown during the Inside Gearbox Software panel earlier this morning at PAX South. Last year, Gearbox had said hoped to release the title […]

  • Clock Tower spiritual successor Night Cry has landed on Kickstarter

    The Kickstarter for Clock Tower spiritual successor, Project Scissors, recently announced as Night Cry, has launched. A teaser directed by The Grudge director Takashi Shimizu was released for the game earlier this month, and the full short film can be viewed below. Shimizu is also creative director on the project and Silent Hill creative and environment […]

  • Toukiden Kiwami mission trailer released, pre-order bonuses detailed

    Pre-order bonuses for Toukiden Kiwami have been announced for PlayStation 4 and Vita. Here’s the pre-order bonus list for each participating retailer: North America GameStop – Armor inspired by new slayers Reki and Soma’s costumes and classic armor from Toukiden‘s six original NPC slayers. Amazon – 2 exclusive pieces of armor: a set of Tenko […]

  • More Final Fantasy Type-0 HD, Final Fantasy 15 info doled out by Tabata

    Final Fantasy Type-0 HD director Hajime Tabata took part in a Reddit AMA yesterday, and answered a variety of questions pertaining to the game and Final Fantasy 15. According to Tabata, the first playthrough of the game will last around 40 hours, but “the real fun” starts from the second playthrough which contains new events. […]

  • This video gives you an idea of what Borderlands Online is like

    A video for Borderlands Online, the China-exclusive title from 2K, Shanda Games and Gearbox, has been released. Posted on MMO Culture, the video was released to announce the “technical test” which started today. Borderlands Online is an instance-based online shooter, and will probably never reach western shores. Still, you can have a look anyway.

  • Guild Wars 2: Heart of Thorns is the MMO’s first expansion

    The first expansion for Guild Wars 2, Heart of Thorns, was announced today during PAX South, and ArenNet has posted a few content details for it on the official webiste. Heart of Thorns contains a reimagined progression with the new Mastery system, which provides new training opportunities for characters beyond level 80. Players will be […]

  • Turn-based action platformer Ronin has been polished up, nets a publisher

    Tomasz Waclawek has polished up his freeware title Ronin and will be releasing it through publisher Devolver Digital later this year. The turn-based action platformer stars a vengeful ninja who is determined to kill important memebers of a powerful corporation. Weapons at your disposal include razor wire and a katana, or you avoid combat by […]

  • Footage of cancelled Justice League brawler surfaces

    Footage of the cancelled Double Helix-developed Justice League brawler has surfaced online. The game was supposed to be a tie-in title for the also cancelled Justice League film directed by George Miller, according to leaked images and information from 2012. Jon Gwyn, the game’s artist and now Rockstar San Diego staffer, said at the time […]

  • Free Icona Vulcano DLC for DriveClub releases next week

    Sony has posted a video of the Icona Vulcano, which will be released as DLC next week for DriveClub. The video was posted on Facebook and we’ve embedded the video below courtesy of GamesHQMeida. It was announced earlier this week the Icona Vulcano would be released on the PS Store as a free download.

  • The Bard’s Tale 4 announced by inXile Entertainment at PAX South

    The Bard’s Tale 4 was announced today by inXile Entertainment CEO Brian Fargo during a panel at PAX South. inXile hinted around back in December that a sequel was in the works. Granted, The Bard’s Tale wasn’t mentioned. Still, everyone figured this was the game when Wasteland 2 project lead Chris Keenan stated the team […]

  • Here’s another Majora’s Mask 3DS vs N64 comparison video

    Last week, YouTube user Master0fHyrule uploaded a Majora’s Mask 3DS vs N64 comparison video, and we’ve embedded it for you below. The video shows 4.5 minutes of footage which appears before hitting the start button and the first meeting between Link and the Skull Kid. Another comparison video was released by another user back in […]

  • The Game Awards 2015 already in the planning stages

    The Game Awards 2015 are already in the planning stages, according to Geoff Keighley. The inaugural show took place on December 6, 2014. Keighley announced the 2015 show during his Storytime with Geoff Keighley panel at PAX South this weekend and through Twitter. He said more details will be announced in the spring. You can […]

  • Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy Remastered listed for January release

    It looks like Quantic Dream’s Indigo Prophecy is returning in remastered form next week, if an Amazon listing is any indication. According to the listing posted on NeoGAF, the uncut version of the game contains Steam DRM and will release January 29 at 12pm PST/3pm EST for a Linux, Mac and PC download. Titled Fahrenheit: […]

  • Indie Flash Sale kicks off on North American PS Store

    The North American end of the PlayStation Store is hosting a Flash Sale a beefy list of indie games and some films. The sales includes titles such as Resogun, Shadow Warrior, The Unfinished Swan, FEZ, Costume Quest 2, Joe Danger, Brothers: a Tale of Two Sons, and more for up to 80% off. The full […]

  • The Witcher 3 Twitch stream to show 15 minutes of new gameplay footage

    New The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt gameplay footage will be shown Monday, January 26 on GOG.com’s Twitch channel. Along with the footage, the developers will be answering questions from the community as well as providing commentary on the gameplay being shown. Live questions posted via Twitter chat will be answered by senior gameplay designer Damien […]

  • Borderlands 3 information teased for tomorrow’s Gearbox PAX South panel

    During PAX South this weekend, Gearbox Software is hosting a panel titled Inside Gearbox Software which will provide “the latest news and updates on Borderlands and upcoming Gearbox titles.” Yesterday during Gearbox’s panel called Question and Answer Time, CEO Rady Pitchford was asked “when or if” fans can expect Borderlands 3. “I’ll tell you what,” […]

  • Best Buy cancels multiple pre-order units of Limited Edition Majora’s Mask New 3DS XL

    Multiple sources reported overnight Best Buy has cancelled some pre-orders for the Limited Edition Majora’s Mask New 3DS XL. As of press time, it appears to only affect those who pre-ordered more than one system. Only one system was allotted per order, so the cancellation notices were sent out to comply with the restriction. Those […]

  • Rob Huebel is your KillCameraman in this CoD: Advanced Warfare video

    A live-action video for Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare – Havoc has been released by Activision. Subtitled: Randall Higgins: KillCameraman gives you a look at the action from a different perspective. In the video, Higgins is played by comedic actor and writer Rob Huebel (Children’s Hospital, Parks and Rec, The Mindy Project). The first DLC […]

  • Xbox App features included with Windows 10 January build outlined

    The January build of the Windows 10 Technical Preview includes a basic version of the Xbox App announced earlier this week. With the initial preview release, the team at Microsoft wanted to only include the basics such as high resolution monitor support along with keyboard and mouse input. Additional functionality will be released with each […]

  • Standalone version of DayZ has sold 3 million units

    The standalone version of DayZ sold 3 million units, Bohemia Interactive has announced. Release Just over a year ago on Steam Early Access, the milestone was hit yesterday. The standalone version was created by Dean Hall as a Arma 2 modification which has been updated 24 times since its initial release. In 2014, the development […]

  • The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt video shows gameplay clips, global hands-on events

    CD Projekt has released a video for The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt, giving a glimpse of gameplay and noting that hands-on impressions of the game will be bombarding the Internet next week. We’ll have extensive coverage of The Witcher 3 on Monday Jan 26 at 3pm GMT. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is coming to […]

  • Microsoft looking into possible HoloLens support for PC, Xbox One

    Microsoft’s HoloLens may be a dedicated device, but the company is obviously looking into how it could be used with PC and Xbox One. Speaking with Polygon, Xbox boss Phil Spencer said should the stand-alone product become a success, “specific scenarios” on how it could be used with Xbox One are already being brainstormed. “We […]

  • Final Fantasy Type-0 HD video compares PSP graphics to PS4, Xbox One

    A video for Final Fantasy Type-0 comparing the upcoming console version of the game to the original PSP version has been released by Square Enix. While comparing PSP graphics to those of PlayStation 4 and Xbox One seems rather unfair, it’s worth a watch anyway. Final Fantasy Type-0 HD releases March 17 in North America […]

  • Payday 2′s The Bomb Heists and Dragan Character Pack released

    In case you forgot, The Bomb Heists and Dragan Character content packs for Payday 2 were released yesterday. The new heist pack is available for $6.99/€6.99/£4.99 and the Dragan character will run you $4.99/€4.99/£3.99 through Steam and other digital distribution sites. Here’s the details: The Bomb Heists A new contact, called the Butcher, brought to […]

  • Rockstar offers tips on scaling GTA Online creations to support 30 players

    Rockstar has posted a tutorial of sorts on how to edit your GTA Online’s creations to support up to 30 players. According to the developer, when selecting Load Creation, users will be able to access any previously published Jobs and edit them in any way they wish. Users can also increase the Maximum Players races […]

  • Video for Life is Strange shows you how to rewind time

    If you could rewind time, would you change the events of your day or leave things be? In Life is Strange, you will make this choice. In the developer diary below, Dontnot Entertainment touches upon the main character’s ability to rewind time. How Max’s ability works and originated is also discussed. The first episode of […]

  • Take a look at one of the historical battles in Total War: Attila

    The Creative Assembly has revealed historical battles for Total War: Attila and shown off one of them. In the latest episode of Rally Point, developer Creative Assembly takes a look at one of the nine historical battles that will be included in Total War: Attila when it launches next month. But before you see the […]

  • ARMA 3 video lists 33 of its features, teases upcoming expansion

    ARMA 3 is an impressive military simulator, but that’s not the only thing impressive about it. In fact, this video lists 33 of the game’s most notable features. ARMA 3′s latest video gives you a tour of many of its strengths. It goes over the number of vehicles, weapons and playable area. But that’s not […]

  • No Man’s Sky dev explains what you actually do in the game

    No Man’s Sky is simultaneously the most intriguing mystery and the most scary. Developer Hello Games is asked some questions and gives some solid answers. Eurogamer asked Hello Games’ Sean Murray a number of questions that are on everyone’s mind when they think about No Man’s Sky. The biggest one being, what do you actually […]

  • Dying Light physical release set for February 27, Be The Zombie mode goes free

    The release date for the physical version of Dying Light has been confirmed for Europe, along with the release dates for all regions. Dying Light developer Techland has confirmed that the PC version of the game will release digitally, worldwide, on January 27. The physical version and the digital PS4 and Xbox One versions will […]

  • Guild Wars 2 is $10 this weekend

    ArenaNet is offering Guild Wars 2 for $10 this weekend only, and hosting a double XP event during the same period. The regular and Digital Deluxe editions of Guild Wars 2 are both offered at 75% off this weekend. The regular edition can be yours for just $10 while the Deluxe is $15. The offer […]

  • Cyberpunk 2077 development still going, but the focus is on The Witcher 3, says dev

    If you’re dying to hear anything about CD Projekt Red’s Cyberpunk 2077, you’ll be waiting a while still. The focus is on The Witcher 3 right now. Ever since Cyberpunk 2077′s announcement all the way back in 2012 developer CD Projekt Red has been really quiet about the sci-fi RPG. We’ve not seen any gameplay […]

  • Digital pet Animin gamecards get May release

    With AR being all the go, it might be worth checking out virtual pet Animin for iOS and Android. Game-cards for Animin, the virtual pet for iOS and Android, are set to appear at UK retail this May, the developers have announced. Animin sits on your touch device and does cute stuff. The little dude […]

  • You won’t need a new GPU for DirectX 12, except for some features

    Microsoft has clarified that while you’ll need a new GPU to get the full potential of DirectX 12, existing hardware will support it just fine. Microsoft’s Mike Ybarra said in a press meeting following the Windows 10 event that you will need a new graphics card to get “the full benefits” of DirectX 12. “There […]

  • Assassin’s Creed Victory: fans speculate over characters and locations

    Ubisoft has not yet started talking about Assassin’s Creed: Victory, so some eager fans are speculating about everything they can just from those leaked screens. A very popular thread right now on the Ubisoft forums attempts to gather fans’ specualtion about characters, events and story of Assassin’s Creed: Victory. What followed was quite a lot […]

  • This is what co-op looks like in Dying Light

    Dying Light’s cop-op mode has been given a short demo by developer Techland. Dying Light supports drop-in/ drop-out co-op for up to four players. The entire campaign is playable in co-op, and there are special co-op challenges. Watch as four members of developer Techland take on the game’s zombie apocalypse. Dying Light is out January […]

  • Get Saints Row 2, Saints Row: The Third and all DLC for $5

    Bundle Stars’ latest bundle packs Saints Row 2 and the complete Saints Row: The Third for $5. The Saints Row bundle is priced $5. It is live now and for another 14 days. It comes with Saints Row 2, Saints Row: The Third – The Full Package, which is basically the game plus all the […]

  • Destiny: Xur location and inventory for January 23, 24

    Xur: Agent of the Nine has made the trek to Destiny’s Tower for another week of business. Destiny’s Exotics vendor, Xur: Agent of the Nine has arrived at the Tower as per the weekly schedule. Xur will sell you Exotic weapons and armour pieces if you have the Strange Coins to afford it. He also […]