Thu, Sep 29, 2011 | 00:54 BST

Third party dismisses Sony’s claims to better developer support

A former third-party developer has described the notion that Sony has better developer relations than Microsoft “laughable”.

“I’d say any comment by Sony that they have better developer relations or fewer insane hurdles is laughable,” the former Vivendi staffer told IndustryGamers in response to comments by Sony’s Chris Lewis praising the company’s developer relations over Microsoft’s.

“Things may have changed, but it still seems pretty funny to me that they could possibly try to call themselves always the better chance for small developers to get in, or some sort of indy safe-haven.”

The anonymous source said Sony’s technical requirements checklist and technical certification requirements for both PS2 and PlayStation 3 were “so much worse than anything needed for the Xbox 360″ and inconsistent across Sony’s three major territorial offices.

“I heard a lot of horror stories about the PS3 dev tools, and our launch-title devs got absolutely no support from Sony itself when they needed it – up to and including Sony calling one of our developers liars when we said their networking code wasn’t working for our game, and it was a problem with their system,” the source continued.

“In contrast, the Xbox tools and support were always excellent.”

The source said Xbox documentation and requirements “were much easier to read, understand, implement, and tes”, “much more lenient about what was acceptable in a lot check”, and that Microsoft was willing to make exceptions.

“I’ve heard Sony has greatly improved their tools support for development and testing,” the source grudgingly conceded, “Though I believe they’re still lagging behind what the Xbox 360 had available at launch.

“I don’t recall Sony PS3 Dev Kits being cheap – our test boxes were something like $10,000 each, and the actual development kits were significantly more – or anything like the Developer Net attached to XBLA allowing anyone to just jump into development with a low overhead cost,” said the source.

Dyer’s comments were themselves a response to European Xbox chief Chris Lewis standing by eyebrow-raising publishing guidelines.

20 comments

#1

Clupula
29/09/11, 12:56 am

Don’t we know all of this? It was no secret that things were a huge mess during the days of Kutaragi. Hell, if not for him and his piss-poor relations with third parties, Devil May Cry 4, Assassin’s Creed, and GTA IV would’ve been PS3-exclusives and probably this entire generation would’ve been different.

#2

Sinistre
29/09/11, 1:09 am

I may be wrong, but I though Sony cut their dev kit price to $2,000 two years ago.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/03/sony-announces-lower-cost-ps3-dev-tools.ars
This interview have some 2007 bashing smell.

#3

fearmonkey
29/09/11, 1:13 am

Oh no he didn’t……….
I wish MS would give gabe his Steam on Xbox already.
Seriously Team Fortress on the orange box was a joke compared to the PC version. MS’s stance on the closed network for everyone but EA sucks.
They need to open it up to battlenet, and get Diablo 3 on XBOX.

#4

Cygnar
29/09/11, 1:38 am

@2
That was two years ago. This interviewee is explaining his experiences from three years ago and earlier, when he was working for publisher Vivendi, in their QA department. He only “heard” horror stories regarding developer support because he apparently never worked for a developer.

In any case, he is evaluating a three-week-old claim with his three-year-old experiences. His input does not settle or even address the question of whether Sony’s developer support is any good in the present.

Sony’s support might be awful, but this interviewee can’t tell us one way or the other.

#5

ultramega
29/09/11, 3:56 am

Sounds like damage control by Microsoft. But cool story, bro.

#6

a7md1990
29/09/11, 4:02 am

and how much did M$ pay this guy to say this?

#7

Eregol
29/09/11, 4:35 am

Shop spam?
Do you guys at vg247 have a way of weeding out spambots?

#8

Phoenixblight
29/09/11, 4:42 am

they need to put captcha’s or something when signing up or something. THis is just horrendous.

#9

Christopher Jack
29/09/11, 5:53 am

We all know that development for the PS3 has always been troublesome, but out of all major manufacturers, past to present, they’ve always seemed to have the best relationships with third parties. Thankfully Hirai took over, now thanks to their improved relationships between engineers & developers, a dedicated hardcore portable actually has a shot at dethroning the king of portables.

#10

Clupula
29/09/11, 6:13 am

Exactly. The guy is talking about his launch title people. That was how many years ago? We know that it was shitty at launch. This guy is just giving out old information to whoever will listen to him.

#11

KL
29/09/11, 6:47 am

words of an anonymous guy worth less than nothing.Eh?

#12

Goffee
29/09/11, 7:36 am

Here’s a more recent example of indie woes, http://psp2roundup.blogspot.com/2011/09/sony-frustrating-smaller-developers.html?m=1

Now it may be a quality issue and Sony trying to avoid overload of certain game-types but it’s still cack-handed management and likely to turn small devs away.

#13

Yoshi
29/09/11, 9:36 am

Well won’t you look at that, a little faggot trying to get into the news just by bashing someone… well aren’t you a clever cherry.

#14

The Evil Pope
29/09/11, 2:22 pm

Sad to see pathetic fanboys stick up for Sony when you have an experienced developer, who has experience developing for the PS3, comes out and speaks the truth.

The PS3 was a disaster from the beginning and developing for the console still remains a problem for developers. Bayonetta, F1 2012, Red Dead Redemption, etc, donote just that.

#15

Cygnar
29/09/11, 2:49 pm

@14
Kindly read the interview. This person worked in the QA department of a publisher. Nothing suggests he was an “experienced developer,” or a developer at all.

Next, the very same arguments you use to conclude that PS3 development “remains a problem” apply to the Xbox 360 when you evaluate a different sample of games. Final Fantasy XIII, Vanquish, and Darksiders all ended up better on the PS3 in terms of framerate, screen tearing, shadow quality, FMV quality, et cetera. Choosing a small, non-representative sample of extreme cases does nothing to prove your assertion.

Moreover, none of these hardware limitations or ease-of-coding problems were part of the interviewee’s allegations. Instead, he claimed that Sony provided poor support to developers. Even if he had complained about any of those games you mentioned, they were all developed after he left his position at Vivendi three years ago.

I get the impression that you didn’t read the interview, or even the summary on this page, because you made up details of the interviewee’s line of work, his employer, his experience, his claims about Sony, and his relation to the problems he alleged in the interview. You assumed facts about all of these–about every bit of information we have about this interviewee–and accepted all of your own assumptions as “the truth,” while there is no evidence from the interview to support even one of them.

You failed to correctly recall or even guess so much as a single fact about this news story. Try again.

But since I disagree with your opinion, I must be the “fanboy” here. Get real.

#16

RyougaZell
29/09/11, 2:51 pm

“The anonymous source”

Lost all credibility there.

So I go and make an ‘anonymous’ statement saying I’m a developer and talk nonsense about any company then it means that company is evil? Way to go Internet

:)

#17

The Evil Pope
29/09/11, 3:39 pm

@15

Listen, it’s a well known fact the PS3 is still a nightmare to develop for. Look up the games i mentioned in my post above! The PS3 continues to under-perform, even today.

Your rant above is nothing more than naive nonsense!

#18

Cygnar
29/09/11, 4:56 pm

@17
Nice opinion, but you’re changing the subject again.

The news story is about the support Sony offers to developers, not how difficult its hardware is to use. Your commentary on the latter is irrelevant to the article, and by ignoring the content of the article, its source, and the comments of other users, you are obviously making no effort to join in on the discussion.

Maybe you were hoping to start an argument about the PS3. Sorry.

#19

lexph3re
29/09/11, 5:37 pm

Cygnar WHO ARE YOU! your like batman or something?

#20

neon6
01/10/11, 11:33 pm

ggs evil pope

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