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Third party dismisses Sony’s claims to better developer support

Thursday, 29th September 2011 00:54 GMT By Brenna Hillier

A former third-party developer has described the notion that Sony has better developer relations than Microsoft “laughable”.

“I’d say any comment by Sony that they have better developer relations or fewer insane hurdles is laughable,” the former Vivendi staffer told IndustryGamers in response to comments by Sony’s Chris Lewis praising the company’s developer relations over Microsoft’s.

“Things may have changed, but it still seems pretty funny to me that they could possibly try to call themselves always the better chance for small developers to get in, or some sort of indy safe-haven.”

The anonymous source said Sony’s technical requirements checklist and technical certification requirements for both PS2 and PlayStation 3 were “so much worse than anything needed for the Xbox 360″ and inconsistent across Sony’s three major territorial offices.

“I heard a lot of horror stories about the PS3 dev tools, and our launch-title devs got absolutely no support from Sony itself when they needed it – up to and including Sony calling one of our developers liars when we said their networking code wasn’t working for our game, and it was a problem with their system,” the source continued.

“In contrast, the Xbox tools and support were always excellent.”

The source said Xbox documentation and requirements “were much easier to read, understand, implement, and tes”, “much more lenient about what was acceptable in a lot check”, and that Microsoft was willing to make exceptions.

“I’ve heard Sony has greatly improved their tools support for development and testing,” the source grudgingly conceded, “Though I believe they’re still lagging behind what the Xbox 360 had available at launch.

“I don’t recall Sony PS3 Dev Kits being cheap – our test boxes were something like $10,000 each, and the actual development kits were significantly more – or anything like the Developer Net attached to XBLA allowing anyone to just jump into development with a low overhead cost,” said the source.

Dyer’s comments were themselves a response to European Xbox chief Chris Lewis standing by eyebrow-raising publishing guidelines.

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20 Comments

  1. Clupula

    Don’t we know all of this? It was no secret that things were a huge mess during the days of Kutaragi. Hell, if not for him and his piss-poor relations with third parties, Devil May Cry 4, Assassin’s Creed, and GTA IV would’ve been PS3-exclusives and probably this entire generation would’ve been different.

    #1 3 years ago
  2. Sinistre

    I may be wrong, but I though Sony cut their dev kit price to $2,000 two years ago.
    http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/03/sony-announces-lower-cost-ps3-dev-tools.ars
    This interview have some 2007 bashing smell.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. fearmonkey

    Oh no he didn’t……….
    I wish MS would give gabe his Steam on Xbox already.
    Seriously Team Fortress on the orange box was a joke compared to the PC version. MS’s stance on the closed network for everyone but EA sucks.
    They need to open it up to battlenet, and get Diablo 3 on XBOX.

    #3 3 years ago
  4. Cygnar

    @2
    That was two years ago. This interviewee is explaining his experiences from three years ago and earlier, when he was working for publisher Vivendi, in their QA department. He only “heard” horror stories regarding developer support because he apparently never worked for a developer.

    In any case, he is evaluating a three-week-old claim with his three-year-old experiences. His input does not settle or even address the question of whether Sony’s developer support is any good in the present.

    Sony’s support might be awful, but this interviewee can’t tell us one way or the other.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. ultramega

    Sounds like damage control by Microsoft. But cool story, bro.

    #5 3 years ago
  6. a7md1990

    and how much did M$ pay this guy to say this?

    #6 3 years ago
  7. Eregol

    Shop spam?
    Do you guys at vg247 have a way of weeding out spambots?

    #7 3 years ago
  8. Phoenixblight

    they need to put captcha’s or something when signing up or something. THis is just horrendous.

    #8 3 years ago
  9. Christopher Jack

    We all know that development for the PS3 has always been troublesome, but out of all major manufacturers, past to present, they’ve always seemed to have the best relationships with third parties. Thankfully Hirai took over, now thanks to their improved relationships between engineers & developers, a dedicated hardcore portable actually has a shot at dethroning the king of portables.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. Clupula

    Exactly. The guy is talking about his launch title people. That was how many years ago? We know that it was shitty at launch. This guy is just giving out old information to whoever will listen to him.

    #10 3 years ago
  11. KL

    words of an anonymous guy worth less than nothing.Eh?

    #11 3 years ago
  12. Goffee

    Here’s a more recent example of indie woes, http://psp2roundup.blogspot.com/2011/09/sony-frustrating-smaller-developers.html?m=1

    Now it may be a quality issue and Sony trying to avoid overload of certain game-types but it’s still cack-handed management and likely to turn small devs away.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. Yoshi

    Well won’t you look at that, a little faggot trying to get into the news just by bashing someone… well aren’t you a clever cherry.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. The Evil Pope

    Sad to see pathetic fanboys stick up for Sony when you have an experienced developer, who has experience developing for the PS3, comes out and speaks the truth.

    The PS3 was a disaster from the beginning and developing for the console still remains a problem for developers. Bayonetta, F1 2012, Red Dead Redemption, etc, donote just that.

    #14 3 years ago
  15. Cygnar

    @14
    Kindly read the interview. This person worked in the QA department of a publisher. Nothing suggests he was an “experienced developer,” or a developer at all.

    Next, the very same arguments you use to conclude that PS3 development “remains a problem” apply to the Xbox 360 when you evaluate a different sample of games. Final Fantasy XIII, Vanquish, and Darksiders all ended up better on the PS3 in terms of framerate, screen tearing, shadow quality, FMV quality, et cetera. Choosing a small, non-representative sample of extreme cases does nothing to prove your assertion.

    Moreover, none of these hardware limitations or ease-of-coding problems were part of the interviewee’s allegations. Instead, he claimed that Sony provided poor support to developers. Even if he had complained about any of those games you mentioned, they were all developed after he left his position at Vivendi three years ago.

    I get the impression that you didn’t read the interview, or even the summary on this page, because you made up details of the interviewee’s line of work, his employer, his experience, his claims about Sony, and his relation to the problems he alleged in the interview. You assumed facts about all of these–about every bit of information we have about this interviewee–and accepted all of your own assumptions as “the truth,” while there is no evidence from the interview to support even one of them.

    You failed to correctly recall or even guess so much as a single fact about this news story. Try again.

    But since I disagree with your opinion, I must be the “fanboy” here. Get real.

    #15 3 years ago
  16. RyougaZell

    “The anonymous source”

    Lost all credibility there.

    So I go and make an ‘anonymous’ statement saying I’m a developer and talk nonsense about any company then it means that company is evil? Way to go Internet

    :)

    #16 3 years ago
  17. The Evil Pope

    @15

    Listen, it’s a well known fact the PS3 is still a nightmare to develop for. Look up the games i mentioned in my post above! The PS3 continues to under-perform, even today.

    Your rant above is nothing more than naive nonsense!

    #17 3 years ago
  18. Cygnar

    @17
    Nice opinion, but you’re changing the subject again.

    The news story is about the support Sony offers to developers, not how difficult its hardware is to use. Your commentary on the latter is irrelevant to the article, and by ignoring the content of the article, its source, and the comments of other users, you are obviously making no effort to join in on the discussion.

    Maybe you were hoping to start an argument about the PS3. Sorry.

    #18 3 years ago
  19. lexph3re

    Cygnar WHO ARE YOU! your like batman or something?

    #19 3 years ago
  20. neon6

    ggs evil pope

    #20 3 years ago

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