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Anon: Sony attacks dropped, PSN users were “butthurt”

Thursday, 16th June 2011 12:27 GMT By Patrick Garratt

A VG247 interview has confirmed that Anonymous has dropped action against Sony, as well as branding PSN users “selfish” and “butthurt” over their anger at the service’s recent outage.

Anon was speaking as covert group LulzSec this week brought down EVE Online, League of Legends, Minecraft and The Escapist with DDOS attacks, and as Anonymous-related arrests took place in both Spain and Turkey.

The escalation in attacks against games companies comes in a year specifically marked by a major PSN breach which compromised user data and took services down for weeks. For a complete overview of 2011 hacking and DDOS stories, hit this.

Here’s the interview in full. These questions were answered in response to a VG247 request on Twitter yesterday, by a person who replied with the following: “You said you were looking to speak to members of Anonymous. I cannot speak for Anonymous, or as Anonymous, but I can speak as Anon.”

VG247: Does Anonymous approve of LulzSec’s disruptive actions against MMOs and other games companies “for the lulz”?

Anon: There is no support for Lulz Security’s actions of disrupting MMO’s ‘for the lulz.’ Anonymous, as a group, is about activism in defence of certain rights, and the lulz that can be had while doing this. This doesn’t follow or achieve this. Though, individual Anons are free to do what they want.

Has Anonymous finished action against Sony?

We are no longer attacking Sony. There is nothing more to gained right now from continued attacks except unpopularity.

Surely Anonymous should advocate legal changes that protect the freedom of hackers and the neutrality of the internet instead of taking actions that make companies lock down tighter to stay solvent?

Anonymous supports and advocates anything that would free the internet and allow it to stay an open uncensored network. This is why we opposed ProtectIP so greatly and why we laughed at Tennessee’s attempt to ban everything.

Whether we existed or not companies would continue to tighten up online security, and demand laws to protect their websites. All we do is exploit their failings, and demand the law does not act in the favour of the corporations, all to ensure transparency. If they continue to tighten security then all power to them, but we find away around them.

And as a note of interest, Anonymous is now considered a terrorist group. Trying to enter any sort of democratic process (despite the fact that this would fundamentally undermine one of our concepts) would be pretty much useless.

It’s been interesting watching LulzSec this week, as it’s clear those people are doing what they do for fun. Is there an element of that within Anonymous, or is action within the group always motivated by freedom issues?

Freedom and Creativity is promoted within Anonymous. During operations we always tell people that the LOIC isn’t our only tool, and to be creative with their attacks.

Anonymous isn’t a whole though, with individual wings acting under the name in their actions. There are many ‘just for the lulz’ cells but they’re generally overshadowed by the arrests and actions of the politically motivated cells.

I know Anonymous officially denied responsibility for the PSN attacks, but it did approve of them. A lot of gamers, obviously, were very angry about what happened. Do you think that are they’re being selfish by ignoring the fact that Sony was taking legal action against hackers?

Our intention with our initial attacks on the PSN was that of a sit-in, preventing traffic to their service in order to protest their actions. We didn’t want to piss off the consumers as they were the ones whose rights we were campaigning for. Sony were removing true ownership of the console, as well as prosecuting hackers, and we were trying to spread this information to the consumers.

Instead of listening or reading what our cause was they just became butthurt. Their annoyance is understandable, but their actions were selfish as they cared more about immediate pleasure receival than they did about their rights as a consumer (and the rights of the hacker).

How does Anonymous feel about arrests of individuals in Spain and Turkey this week? Do you think it’s likely we’re going to see more of this?

It is obvious that we are going to receive more attempted arrests, as we receive more attention. With many operations targeting corruption within government agencies, we are going to draw the attention of the Man.

The arrests are a shame, as we feel that the defense of certain rights and liberties is a worthy cause, though we are aware of the risks associated with it. If we weren’t aware of the risk of arrest we wouldn’t hide our IP addresses and keep our identities as removed from Anonymous as possible.

But, for every Anon they arrest, ten more will step in to their place. They are fighting a war against an idealogy, and just by mentioning our name their increase our numbers. We garner support from those who become disgruntled by the actions of someone we oppose. Anonymous is the manifestation of an idea, and ideas are bulletproof.

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77 Comments

  1. ExxonValdez

    What a bunch of jerks

    #1 4 years ago
  2. Blerk

    I don’t remember anyone asking you to fight for our rights, Anonymous. You can’t call people selfish and ungrateful when most of them don’t actually share your views.

    From where I’m sitting it doesn’t sound like it’s us who are “butthurt”.

    #2 4 years ago
  3. El_MUERkO

    Rage Against the Machine!

    _|oo|

    /rawk

    #3 4 years ago
  4. Robbins

    #1 Agreed

    #4 4 years ago
  5. G1GAHURTZ

    EXCLUSIVE!

    This is bound to get you in The Guardian again, Pat!

    #5 4 years ago
  6. absolutezero

    http://youtu.be/DNO6G4ApJQY

    You better watch your back. Buy a dog.

    #6 4 years ago
  7. Toastrules

    Is it me, or do these guys think that they are part of the CIA or something?

    #7 4 years ago
  8. Bluebird

    Butthurt has to be one of the worst words ever invented.

    #8 4 years ago
  9. Telepathic.Geometry

    In what way have out rights been improved after Sony’s PSN outage?

    Sony damaged: check.
    Gamers fucked over: check.
    Anonymous popularity down: check.
    Anonymous under intense scrutiny: check.

    Our rights: The same.

    These hackers remind me a lot of teenagers, whose hearts are in the right place, but who lack the perspective and life experience to understand the nature of the enemy and the appropriate way to take them on. As a result they achieve nothing and damage what they want to protect.

    #9 4 years ago
  10. Neolucifer

    Meh more like a bunch of silly kids and immature farts , who saw V for vendetta some day in dvdrip , didnt even get the plot and messages from the movie and original comics , and decided to pervert it and its iconic image .

    This interview means nothing , as they can’t even organize among themselves properly , already got splinter groups related or not to other attacks , and keep going back and forth with their decisions .

    Wanna stop ? Then stop saying so and actually do it for a change …

    “for every Anon they arrest, ten more will step in to their place”

    Yeah ten more retards worldwide , at best , sitting in front of a store at the general hilarity , while one of them will cave in and even buy an hdtv …

    #10 4 years ago
  11. Uncontested

    I hope they have another stupid ass protest soon, that way I can beat the shit out of some of these idiots.

    #11 4 years ago
  12. DGOJG

    Without the obvious irony, how do you know this guy is actualy part of the ‘Anonymous’ group? Could of been anyone (again without the irony of them being anon)

    #12 4 years ago
  13. KAP

    So hold on a minute?
    Im selfish because i spend my own money to play on my own console, but then theres dicks who dont wantme to do that, but I’M the selfish one?

    The internet is a straaaaange place indeed.

    #13 4 years ago
  14. Bringit

    Their arguments are so flawed it actually upsets me. The fact is you should not use your console for illegal activities, just like you shouldn’t use your car, your kitchen knife, your handgun or your knob for illegal activities.

    #14 4 years ago
  15. BraveArse

    @bluebird agreed, it’s pretty much establishes the age ( at least mental ) of the user imo.

    #15 4 years ago
  16. Mondayding

    The extensive media coverage of Sony’s hacking attacks would surely have been this groups best opportunity to explain to the world, in detail, exactly what the problems are and why they need to be addressed. As it is, all that’s happened is that the majority of the people know there’s this group of unknowns playing around with computers, hacking into databases that contain the personal data of millions of average joes for no apparent reason.

    Whatever their right on reasons were for doing it, I’m none the wiser and I’m pretty sure most others aren’t either. It’s a shame such technically savvy people don’t wise up politically and understand how to play the game, because they could have put some serious questions on the plates of numerous governments off the back of this…

    #16 4 years ago
  17. Clupula

    Screw these morons.

    I’m saddened, though, that you didn’t ask them about the Guy Fawkes masks. I mean, it’s obvious they’re using the masks after seeing V for Vendetta, and have no idea of what Guy Fawkes really wanted to do.

    #17 4 years ago
  18. daytripper

    great questions asked and the answers speak for themselves with regards to the mindset of these people

    @8 agreed, it’s usually a trolls response when they get found out but want to try to continue “conversation”

    just glad people can get back to playing games now

    #18 4 years ago
  19. gribb85

    Well in a way they did us a favour, we got a few good games out of it :D

    inFamous ftw!

    #19 4 years ago
  20. BraveArse

    “they could have put some serious questions on the plates of numerous governments off the back of this…”

    @mondayding they very definitely have done.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13518871

    (from the above link)
    “President Sarkozy claimed that countries could not remain neutral and allow completely unchecked internet use.

    ‘The world you represent is not a parallel universe where legal and moral rules and more generally all the basic rules that govern society in democratic countries do not apply.’”

    #20 4 years ago
  21. Zurtech

    What a bunch of spanners. Claiming they’re attacking things for “our” rights. Is no different to the religious zealots who claims they’re doing things cos their religion says it’s OK to, only after twisting the words to suit their motives.

    Take it these arrests are just gonna end up being status symbols to hackers like ASBOs are to chavs.

    #21 4 years ago
  22. Telepathic.Geometry

    @Bringit: Woah there fella, what I do with my knob is my business. I hope Anonymous doesn’t hack that too…

    #22 4 years ago
  23. Elven_Star

    If the media had stopped giving these attention whores what they seek, this mess would have ended ages ago.

    #23 4 years ago
  24. OrbitMonkey

    As their all against the removal of true ownership of the console, I’d of thought they’d have gone after Microsoft for banning all those guys who chip their 360′s.

    Guess they havn’t got the balls to upset all those Halo/CoD fans on Live, for those fanboys are Legion ;D

    #24 4 years ago
  25. Hunam

    Wow, I’m glad I live in a world where more people are bothered about playing CoD than their own rights.

    #25 4 years ago
  26. Elven_Star

    @Hunam
    What right? Stop being so delusional for the love of God. Since when stealing is a right? How about publishers and developers rights? Oh, wait they don’t have any. They should make games so we can pirate them and play them for free. That’s our “right”. ROFL

    #26 4 years ago
  27. OrbitMonkey

    @25 Erm I’d of thought being able to play CoD on a console you bought & paid for was a right? And more guys were upset over that right being taken away, than the removal of otherOS.

    #27 4 years ago
  28. Blerk

    ‘Rights’ are always something that should be managed by the individual. Unhappy with the removal of OtherOS? The correct response is to not buy a PS3 or sell your existing one, or not buy Sony again next generation. The incorrect response is to presume that everyone else is also unhappy and prevent everyone else from using their machines too.

    Yes, we got a more secure PSN out of this. But we also lost all our details to God-knows-who in the process, and now have governments considering restrictions on all kinds of internet freedoms to try and prevent ‘this sort of thing’.

    Throwing bricks never changed anything. There’s a reason why diplomacy was invented.

    #28 4 years ago
  29. daytripper

    agreed blerk

    #29 4 years ago
  30. Redh3lix

    Blerk: ….and now have governments considering restrictions on all kinds of internet freedoms to try and prevent ‘this sort of thing’.

    This is possibly the most worrying scenario. :(

    “Anonymous, as a group, is about activism in defence of certain rights”

    You failed miserably didn’t you, Anonymous?

    #30 4 years ago
  31. Hunam

    @26 You are proving how massively short sighted you are. You think Anon just want to steal shit. They want the same things the rest of us want. True net-neutrality. They want their data to be safe on corporate networks. They want people who buy a piece of software or hardware for gaming to have the rights to play that game all they want, and not have to jump through hoops or lose the right to play the game if they say something on a forum EA don’t like. They want you to be able to view the internet as a whole, and not through a government filter like china.

    If you think this whole thing is about stealing then you’re an idiot. People keep saying the PSN hack hasn’t done anything. Bullshit. It’s now a massive issue everyone knows about. Companies are scrambling to get your details safer, governments are now taking internet security seriously and I bet that new laws will come about soon making sure companies are securing your data better and harsher penalties if they haven’t done a reasonable job.

    Now I’m not talking about all hackers. I’m talking about who ever is the guy Pat is talking to here. Sure he likes to have fun and piss about, but you are all so naive in a lot of respects and just grouping all hackers together in one evil group. It’s not your job to defend Sony. It’s Sony’s job to protect you. They didn’t do that hence the hack. Which I might add, so far has had no effect on customers outside of an inconvenience.

    #31 4 years ago
  32. BraveArse

    I don’t think many of us are defending sony here tbh. Many of us, myself included, feel we are yet again about to lose said “freedoms and rights”, because of an extremist minority of people who can’t see two sides of an argument.

    Blerk is right, diplomacy was invented for a reason.

    #32 4 years ago
  33. OrbitMonkey

    Hunam who’s defending Sony? All I see are people expressing their anger at the *inconvenience* these hacks cause. Which is their right, right?

    Plus this has a positive effect on Annoymous, prodding them into being more creative and/or selective in their protests. They really should be thanking us, instead of getting all butthurt over this *inconveniance* :D

    #33 4 years ago
  34. Elven_Star

    #31
    Oh really? So you think stealing is the proper way to claim one’s rights? You did realize that people’s personal info was being SOLD following these attacks, didn’t you? They’re not as noble as you think.
    What they’re doing is like terrorism. Terrorists kill people because they think they’ve been stripped of their rights as well. They do it to make a “better” world from their perspective.

    As for the OtherOS thing, almost none of the people whining about it were using it anyway and some idiots were using it to hack PS3. Blame them, not Sony. It’s like banning weapons in some countries. If people don’t know how to use them responsibly and would bring danger to others, governments have no other way, they have to ban them.

    Stop defending these kids. I for one, hope they all end up in jail, where they belong to.

    #34 4 years ago
  35. Hunam

    @32 Tell that to the Libyans, Syrians, Tunisians and Egyptians.

    #35 4 years ago
  36. ManuOtaku

    I agree with a lot of comments here, but i just want to know how can diplomacy would be used in this case, i mean sony took an application, the affected people let know they were hurt by this and sony didnt compensated them the way it should, and i alsounderstand they can opt for not purchasing a sony product ever again, but how about the money that sony took from consumer?, since the cost of this application form part of the total cost of the device, therefore again how diplomacy should be used in this case by the affected consumers?, since you need two parts for doing that, and one of those part believe that didnt do anything wrong.

    #36 4 years ago
  37. Hunam

    @34 There is no evidence of details being sold after the PSN attack. That’s nothing more than conjecture. And I’m not defending all hackers. I’m defending activists.

    #37 4 years ago
  38. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    Are these assholes STILL getting news coverage…

    #38 4 years ago
  39. Talkar

    @34
    Except for one thing. There was never any hard evidence that Anon stole any information from Sony’s Database, or tried to sell it. The only “evidence” is that which Sony has said, and frankly, i don’t really trust them that much, i mean, they don’t even send CC info encrypted, or even via a encrypted connection, but i guess some people are to stubborn with their own “ideas” to see the bigger picture.

    EDIT: also i forgot to say, the OtherOS that was being worked on to be brought back to the PS3 was never used for piracy.

    #39 4 years ago
  40. KL

    #36 Other OS wasn’t part of the total cost of the device.It was an added bonus and that’s it.You should have checked the box,every penny you spend for add-ons,features etc. of that device was written on it and Other OS wasn’t

    #40 4 years ago
  41. Elven_Star

    #37 #39
    Keep living in denial.

    #41 4 years ago
  42. JackTheLittle

    shoot them in the head :D

    #42 4 years ago
  43. BraveArse

    @35 I was with them all the way there. But here’s the thing, what “they”, whoever “they” are, are doing now threatens the very possibility of them being able to it again. Further, attacks on gaming services and theft of personal data doesn’t square very well with geopolitical activism and just shows them up as fucking with us all for a laugh. Triggering massacres ( edit: or at least contributing to it ) in the middle east for a laugh is pretty fucking sociopathic wouldn’t you say?

    Personally, while I can live with politically motivated activism, activism for the “lols” is the road to insanity. To paraphrase Douglas Adams, no-one who seeks any kind of power should ever, ever be given any, and that most definitely puts anonymous and Lulzsec at the top of the list in my opinion.

    #43 4 years ago
  44. Hunam

    I much prefer the saying “People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.”

    #44 4 years ago
  45. Mondayding

    @bravearse

    Oh, I hadn’t seen that report, cheers. Still, Sarkozy’s on about copyright infringement there, people stealing IP electronically and – well, to prove my point even more – I don’t know what Anonymous are trying to say or if they have any thing worth saying, except “look at me, I can do stuff through the internet that you can’t”.

    At least, I think that’s what they’re saying.

    #45 4 years ago
  46. Hunam

    @43 But again, Anon as an idealogical group has been around for years. LulzSec are a different kettle of fish altogether and nearly all of my points have nothing to do with them or what’s happening now. But at the same time, there is no better way to highlight poor internet security than pissing people off. Even if they are just doing it because they are bored and want to entertain themselves at the cost of other people.

    #46 4 years ago
  47. Joe_Gamer

    These guys don’t see the world the same way as most people, they see all these things terrible things going on that are to them so obviously horrible yet no one else seems to care.

    Beating puppies is bad right, well what if all over the world people were beating the shit out of puppies and kittens and you seemed to be the only one who cared about it, you’d want to do something, anything to make it better, to make people understand what is so obvious to you.

    We marginalize these hacktivists because their issues are not our issues, we don’t see the problems in the same earth-shattering way that they do. To them the digital world is fucking important and necessary for their life to continue as they know it, to most of us it’s just a magic picture box with facebook and lolcats but to them it’s a fucking way of life.

    What if Auto manufacturers said you could no longer buy cars only lease them, you’d probably be pissed because it’s gonna cost you more money than before, and your car would never actually be yours. Digital products are making a beeline toward this type of “licensing” business model and at the end of the day it’s going to cost us all more money and we won’t own any of the music/movies/games we all enjoy so much.

    I think he hit the nail right on the head when he said “they cared more about immediate pleasure receival than they did about their rights as a consumer” Big business IS eroding our consumer rights, but the games and movies are more fun then ever so we shut up and let them do it, because it’s easier than maybe going without.

    I’m not saying that they are right or wrong, I just think that most people don’t understand them very well.

    #47 4 years ago
  48. Hunam

    @47 Basically my point but said way, way better.

    Tiered internet and metered internet and monitored internet is a massive issue, but who gives a fuck about that right because right now I only want to watch keyboard cat.

    #48 4 years ago
  49. ManuOtaku

    #40 But do you realize it was advertised to include this, and that will last the entire lifecycle of said device, and in my eyes, yes this form part of the total cost of the device, like free PSN and the likes, added features yes, but it was advertised with those features ,so in the end they did form part of the total cost of the purchased product.

    #49 4 years ago
  50. BraveArse

    @46 Oh I understand where anonymous came from, but the attacks ( or attack depending on your standpoint ) on PSN in particular, seemed to me to be deeply disappointing, least of all because it infringed on mine and many others right to use a service we’d paid for, and most of all because it showed their international activism in a far more stark and concerning light.

    As I say, doing it for a laugh ( edit: or for the sake of spite, let’s say ), or because you can, in these instances, is to me at least, deeply troubling.

    #50 4 years ago
  51. Talkar

    @41
    Trolololol?

    #51 4 years ago
  52. Vamp_nakata

    It wouldn’t surprise me if all this hacking bullshit was a complete set up – the PSN hack and everything since – giving the fat cats at the top an excuse to tighten internet security even more. Notice how Anonymous are now ‘terrorists?’ What utter claptrap. The amount of laws passed by using terrorism as an excuse (for example your house can be searched without a warrant if terrorist activity is ‘suspected’) are worrying, and all of them restrict our rights and freedoms further. I worry what kind of new clampdowns and censorships will arise on the internet in the aftermath of all this. The internet is the last real piece of freedom we have.

    #52 4 years ago
  53. BraveArse

    @mondayding – yeah that was the thrust of that article, there was a report on Click Online which focussed on the more serious stuff though. The timing of the conference was right in the midst of the PSN attack and the general focus was on govt control of the net.

    #53 4 years ago
  54. Blerk

    I understand where you’re coming from Hunam, and you’re right – most people don’t realise when their rights are under threat.

    But the trouble is, Anonymous are never going to change anything purely because of the way they conduct themselves. Not the hacking as such, but the ridiculous videos, the juvenile language, the endless self-promotion.

    I don’t believe Anonymous actually want to change anything at all, they just enjoy the anarchy and use ‘consumer rights’ as a flimsy badge to try and justify what they do. Anonymous is about Anonymous, not about freedom.

    #54 4 years ago
  55. ManuOtaku

    Iam a firm believer that the main problem of our society is the lack of empathy, we tend to not put in everybodys shoes, what i mean i dont care what affects my neighbour as long as it doenst affect me, the day we start feeling more empathy, our world will be a better place, but the words “selfish” and “butthurt” and dont agree with them they are kind of offensive

    #55 4 years ago
  56. Lord Gremlin

    First, hackers have no “rights”. Along with thieves, muggers and terrorists they are element of society that should be oppressed and eliminated. Sadly, unlike most thieves and muggers, but not unlike terrorists hackers are hard to find.

    #56 4 years ago
  57. Hunam

    I can agree on that. AnonOps seem like they’ve got the right ideals at their core, but can’t move past the prankster/troll scene that bore them.

    It does come of kind of schizophrenic in a way because one minute he’s being very smart, then the next flippant and juvenile.

    #57 4 years ago
  58. Hunam

    @56 Wow. Are you one of Gaddaffi’s sons?

    #58 4 years ago
  59. Mike

    Fucking awesome exclusive. Top, top work VG247.

    As for the whole “issue,” I can support the corporate/political angle, but not the “for the lulz” one, tbh. Bringing down EVE etc. is akin to shitting on your own doorstep.

    As for hackers being terrorists or kiddy-fiddlers and the like, some people need to see things from a wider perspective, really.

    Still, brilliant stuff from the site. Hopefully it’ll get picked up and quote everywhere.

    #59 4 years ago
  60. Blerk

    If Anonymous (or any hack group) wanted to do the same thing properly then they could’ve hacked the servers, taken the stuff and announced it on the ‘net, then sent all of the information and how they did it to the well-known tech sites and Sony themselves. Sony looks foolish, Anonymous/Whoever prove that they’re in it for the consumer, not the ‘glory’.

    But it never goes down like that. It’s always childish ‘pwnd’ rants and torrents of personal information.

    #60 4 years ago
  61. Mike

    Maybe it’s because adults just accept the system over time and can’t be arsed. It’s usually only passionate youths who dedicate themselves to such ventures and sometimes their immaturity overshadows their point.

    AlMore power to them, I say.

    #61 4 years ago
  62. Freek

    And if you’re all hacked out and gained some perspective and maturity, the EFF is the place to continue more sensible action in preserving the free and open nature of the Internet.
    http://www.eff.org/

    #62 4 years ago
  63. KL

    @49 It was never officially advertised,free PSN,backwards compatibility other features were and they were written on the box,backwards compatibility still is functional on the launch models.
    As said Other OS was just a bonus add on without having a real official purpose.maybe there was something in store for it in the future by Sony. both homebrew and Linux weren’t officially “legal” to use with it in the first place.You paid exactly what you bought

    #63 4 years ago
  64. sg1974

    Pat wetting his knickers for his heroes

    Defending my rights? What, my right to have my identity stolen and credit cards maxed out. Go fuck yourselves.

    Ah they say, “but your information was not secure enough, and under threat, so we exposed that.” Under threat from whom exactly? Hackers. So hackers steal my info to protect me from hackers, then post info on the net (which Sony had to take down). Talk about circular bullshit arguements.

    And, of course, their actions had absoultely NOTHING to do with being pissed about one of their own being prosecuted. NOTHING AT ALL. No, it was all a coincidence, their really concerned for us, that is all.

    The only thing funnier is how some people fall for this shit. You wont be laughing when its yopur bank accounts

    #64 4 years ago
  65. Mike

    Yeah, because all hackers are the same, and have the same motives. Talk about not thinking an argument through before posting and basically support Anon when they say gamers should stop crying into their milk and acting butthurt.

    #65 4 years ago
  66. sg1974

    Oh I’m sorry, I should be grateful a gang of crinimals took it upon themselves to do these acts on our behalf and risk our financial future.

    Anon attacked Sony because Sony dared challenge their action. Full fucking stop. They dont give a flying fuck about me or you.

    Dick

    #66 4 years ago
  67. OrbitMonkey

    God Mike you sound soooo mature! Didn’t realise your psn account was hacked Mike, pro 360 man like yourself? Wait you wasn’t affected at all right?

    God forbid Live gets shut down due to some hack, maybe then we’d all see how YOUR perspective really is?

    #67 4 years ago
  68. Neolucifer

    “Beating puppies is bad right, well what if all over the world people were beating the shit out of puppies and kittens and you seemed to be the only one who cared about it, you’d want to do something, anything to make it better, to make people understand what is so obvious to you. ”

    You mean like beating hamsters instead to show us right ? Cause as silly as my example is , that’s kinda what their actions felt like .

    Kudos to them , in the end they strenghtened the often unwarranted and unhealthy love and bond some feel towards those companies , and made sure everyone hates them .

    #68 4 years ago
  69. Mike

    I don’t use Live at all so I couldn’t really give a shit. If it gets hacked and personal info is leaked I’d blame MS for not having their shit together. But carry on.

    #69 4 years ago
  70. Mystic Sage

    Yea because PSN users are being “butthurt” for wanting to use the services of a product we pay for. Anonymous can go F**** themselves

    #70 4 years ago
  71. hitnrun

    This nonsense needs to stop.

    Not the hacking, but the pretending that Anonymous or Lulz Sec or whoever else are some kind of organized movement with ideals. These groups don’t do what they do to “fight” something or “punish” someone. They do it for one reason: because they can.

    The implication, when you ascribe some kind of revolutionary motive to them, is that they wouldn’t hack blogs or DDoS sites if the latter didn’t offend in some way. This is complete nonsense. Anon is a pack of lulz-seeking 4chan denizens. They do what they do because it gives them pleasure to do it. The rationale is invented afterward, if someone asks.

    I understand VG247 benefits from thinking up exclusives likely to be linked to at other sites, but let’s recognize this “interview” for what it is: a farce.

    #71 4 years ago
  72. Talyis

    @Mike so you wouldn’t care if they hacked your PC or do you not have a PC either? Stop protecting hacker, me I dont mind hackers if there doing something safe to test there own skill but when it starts to effect other people its time for them to stop or slide the mouse and keyboard over shutdown there PC and read a book or something!

    #72 4 years ago
  73. TikiSadZombie

    Hmmm we selfish? I don’t remember asking for your help… Hell, I don’t even want the things your fighting for…

    #73 4 years ago
  74. Dannybuoy

    Do they really think most consumers and PS3 owners care about the removal of the ability to install a different OS? Is that really why Sony got hacked? Can only be a very small percentage of users who’d want to install another OS. They could just get a PC or Linux machine instead right.

    #74 4 years ago
  75. TheWulf

    Sigh.

    Not being able to tell the difference between a hacker, a black hat hacker, a fraudster, and a script kiddie seems to be the prevailing theme in discussions like these. And it’s depressing.

    It’s depressing because there are people here who are talking about things that they clearly don’t have a clue about. In loud and angry ways. And they don’t bother to check their information, they just reinforce their own negative generalisations. And somewhere along the line it all devolved into a messy pile of black & white goo, an us vs. them scenario with minds rife with the mental flotsam of binary (or dualistic, if you prefer) thinking.

    Binary thinking is a good topic to read up on.

    The problem with this is that people don’t really know what they’re angry at, nor do they have a good grasp as to where they should direct their anger, and they’re nebulous as to the source of their anger too. But that won’t stop a riot.

    The problem here is that a lot of people are (and I’m not going to pull any punches, here) sounding very much like overzealous right-wing nutters. Almost exactly like, in fact. And that’s not an insult, it’s an entirely factual observation. “ARE YOU WITH THE TERRARISTS OR ARE YOU WITH US?” is the sort of question that this whole discussion is about.

    But who are the terrorists? Are hackers terrorists? Who are the hackers? How do you define a hacker? These are all very important questions.

    I certainly wasn’t feeling a whole lot of terror from all this. Let’s keepp things in perspective, here. Being injured or knowing that you’re in the vicinity of people with guns/bombs isn’t the same as the mild inconvenience of having to cancel your credit card data. Now a statement with that is going to make some people very passionate, and it’s going to have them think “HE’S WITH THE HACKERS, HE IS A TERRORIST.” and they’d be wrong. Wrong because things aren’t that black and white.

    What we have here are a mix of things.

    Hackers: As in your average hacker who tinkers with technology and keeps the Internet alive and well have little to do with any of this, and a number of them might not even be aware of the concerns of gamers.

    Script Kiddies: These are the sorts of people who throw around DDoS attacks. A DDoS is easy. Anyone can do it. And there are some script kiddies in the LulzSec ranks, that’s for sure, but that doesn’t account for all of them.

    Black Hat Hackers: LulzSec falls under this umbrella. They’re doing what they’re doing for their own gain in the form of their amusement. Some of them are exceedingly talented, but as they said on their own twitter ‘if you want ethics, go and cry to Anonymous.’ Black hat hackers are those who use hacking talents towards unethical ends.

    Then you have the people who attacked Sony. I’d say that there were a number of groups involved there. Fraudsters, for one, who tend to range from anywhere between script kiddie and professional black hat hacker, and I suspect that they played a part in bending Sony over. Then you have your average black hat hackers, some of whom might have been acting under the umbrella of Anonymous ‘for the lulz,’ but they wouldn’t be that different to LulzSec.

    The primary proposed goal for Anonymous in regards to Sony was one of Youtube campaigns, as reported by BoingBoing, rather than actual hacking. But as this article mentions, anyone can act as Anonymous, even black hat hackers.

    I’ll say again that most hackers are just everyday people, they either do it as a hobby to see what they can do with technology, or they work with security firms to ensure that you have some level of security and stability in your day to day life. Using hackers as a derogatory term is insulting to anyone who’s never done anything to harm anyone. And it’s tiring to see it happen.

    All this rage, and so many people not really understanding what’s going on… hopefully this has helped shed a little light on things.

    #75 4 years ago
  76. scratchy69

    I don’t really have the time or interest to read the above comments thread – some of us have jobs – but can somebody summarise the general mood for me in a sentence? I’m guessing this cunt can fuck right off, yes?

    #76 4 years ago
  77. Espers

    @ Anonymous,

    Pathetic group, attacking in old school DDOS a “GAMING COMPANY” not a ” CYBER SECURITY COMPANY ” what’s the great ” 0wned ” achievement here.

    Gaming companies are not supposed to be hack proof whatsoever.

    Anonymous = Script kiddies … LMAO

    #77 4 years ago

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