Anon: Sony attacks dropped, PSN users were “butthurt”

@41
Trolololol?

It wouldn’t surprise me if all this hacking bullshit was a complete set up – the PSN hack and everything since – giving the fat cats at the top an excuse to tighten internet security even more. Notice how Anonymous are now ‘terrorists?’ What utter claptrap. The amount of laws passed by using terrorism as an excuse (for example your house can be searched without a warrant if terrorist activity is ‘suspected’) are worrying, and all of them restrict our rights and freedoms further. I worry what kind of new clampdowns and censorships will arise on the internet in the aftermath of all this. The internet is the last real piece of freedom we have.

@mondayding – yeah that was the thrust of that article, there was a report on Click Online which focussed on the more serious stuff though. The timing of the conference was right in the midst of the PSN attack and the general focus was on govt control of the net.

I understand where you’re coming from Hunam, and you’re right – most people don’t realise when their rights are under threat.

But the trouble is, Anonymous are never going to change anything purely because of the way they conduct themselves. Not the hacking as such, but the ridiculous videos, the juvenile language, the endless self-promotion.

I don’t believe Anonymous actually want to change anything at all, they just enjoy the anarchy and use ‘consumer rights’ as a flimsy badge to try and justify what they do. Anonymous is about Anonymous, not about freedom.

Iam a firm believer that the main problem of our society is the lack of empathy, we tend to not put in everybodys shoes, what i mean i dont care what affects my neighbour as long as it doenst affect me, the day we start feeling more empathy, our world will be a better place, but the words “selfish” and “butthurt” and dont agree with them they are kind of offensive

First, hackers have no “rights”. Along with thieves, muggers and terrorists they are element of society that should be oppressed and eliminated. Sadly, unlike most thieves and muggers, but not unlike terrorists hackers are hard to find.

I can agree on that. AnonOps seem like they’ve got the right ideals at their core, but can’t move past the prankster/troll scene that bore them.

It does come of kind of schizophrenic in a way because one minute he’s being very smart, then the next flippant and juvenile.

@56 Wow. Are you one of Gaddaffi’s sons?

Fucking awesome exclusive. Top, top work VG247.

As for the whole “issue,” I can support the corporate/political angle, but not the “for the lulz” one, tbh. Bringing down EVE etc. is akin to shitting on your own doorstep.

As for hackers being terrorists or kiddy-fiddlers and the like, some people need to see things from a wider perspective, really.

Still, brilliant stuff from the site. Hopefully it’ll get picked up and quote everywhere.

If Anonymous (or any hack group) wanted to do the same thing properly then they could’ve hacked the servers, taken the stuff and announced it on the ‘net, then sent all of the information and how they did it to the well-known tech sites and Sony themselves. Sony looks foolish, Anonymous/Whoever prove that they’re in it for the consumer, not the ‘glory’.

But it never goes down like that. It’s always childish ‘pwnd’ rants and torrents of personal information.

Maybe it’s because adults just accept the system over time and can’t be arsed. It’s usually only passionate youths who dedicate themselves to such ventures and sometimes their immaturity overshadows their point.

AlMore power to them, I say.

And if you’re all hacked out and gained some perspective and maturity, the EFF is the place to continue more sensible action in preserving the free and open nature of the Internet.
http://www.eff.org/

@49 It was never officially advertised,free PSN,backwards compatibility other features were and they were written on the box,backwards compatibility still is functional on the launch models.
As said Other OS was just a bonus add on without having a real official purpose.maybe there was something in store for it in the future by Sony. both homebrew and Linux weren’t officially “legal” to use with it in the first place.You paid exactly what you bought

Pat wetting his knickers for his heroes

Defending my rights? What, my right to have my identity stolen and credit cards maxed out. Go fuck yourselves.

Ah they say, “but your information was not secure enough, and under threat, so we exposed that.” Under threat from whom exactly? Hackers. So hackers steal my info to protect me from hackers, then post info on the net (which Sony had to take down). Talk about circular bullshit arguements.

And, of course, their actions had absoultely NOTHING to do with being pissed about one of their own being prosecuted. NOTHING AT ALL. No, it was all a coincidence, their really concerned for us, that is all.

The only thing funnier is how some people fall for this shit. You wont be laughing when its yopur bank accounts

Yeah, because all hackers are the same, and have the same motives. Talk about not thinking an argument through before posting and basically support Anon when they say gamers should stop crying into their milk and acting butthurt.

Oh I’m sorry, I should be grateful a gang of crinimals took it upon themselves to do these acts on our behalf and risk our financial future.

Anon attacked Sony because Sony dared challenge their action. Full fucking stop. They dont give a flying fuck about me or you.

Dick

God Mike you sound soooo mature! Didn’t realise your psn account was hacked Mike, pro 360 man like yourself? Wait you wasn’t affected at all right?

God forbid Live gets shut down due to some hack, maybe then we’d all see how YOUR perspective really is?

“Beating puppies is bad right, well what if all over the world people were beating the shit out of puppies and kittens and you seemed to be the only one who cared about it, you’d want to do something, anything to make it better, to make people understand what is so obvious to you. ”

You mean like beating hamsters instead to show us right ? Cause as silly as my example is , that’s kinda what their actions felt like .

Kudos to them , in the end they strenghtened the often unwarranted and unhealthy love and bond some feel towards those companies , and made sure everyone hates them .

I don’t use Live at all so I couldn’t really give a shit. If it gets hacked and personal info is leaked I’d blame MS for not having their shit together. But carry on.

Yea because PSN users are being “butthurt” for wanting to use the services of a product we pay for. Anonymous can go F**** themselves

This nonsense needs to stop.

Not the hacking, but the pretending that Anonymous or Lulz Sec or whoever else are some kind of organized movement with ideals. These groups don’t do what they do to “fight” something or “punish” someone. They do it for one reason: because they can.

The implication, when you ascribe some kind of revolutionary motive to them, is that they wouldn’t hack blogs or DDoS sites if the latter didn’t offend in some way. This is complete nonsense. Anon is a pack of lulz-seeking 4chan denizens. They do what they do because it gives them pleasure to do it. The rationale is invented afterward, if someone asks.

I understand VG247 benefits from thinking up exclusives likely to be linked to at other sites, but let’s recognize this “interview” for what it is: a farce.

@Mike so you wouldn’t care if they hacked your PC or do you not have a PC either? Stop protecting hacker, me I dont mind hackers if there doing something safe to test there own skill but when it starts to effect other people its time for them to stop or slide the mouse and keyboard over shutdown there PC and read a book or something!

Hmmm we selfish? I don’t remember asking for your help… Hell, I don’t even want the things your fighting for…

Do they really think most consumers and PS3 owners care about the removal of the ability to install a different OS? Is that really why Sony got hacked? Can only be a very small percentage of users who’d want to install another OS. They could just get a PC or Linux machine instead right.

Sigh.

Not being able to tell the difference between a hacker, a black hat hacker, a fraudster, and a script kiddie seems to be the prevailing theme in discussions like these. And it’s depressing.

It’s depressing because there are people here who are talking about things that they clearly don’t have a clue about. In loud and angry ways. And they don’t bother to check their information, they just reinforce their own negative generalisations. And somewhere along the line it all devolved into a messy pile of black & white goo, an us vs. them scenario with minds rife with the mental flotsam of binary (or dualistic, if you prefer) thinking.

Binary thinking is a good topic to read up on.

The problem with this is that people don’t really know what they’re angry at, nor do they have a good grasp as to where they should direct their anger, and they’re nebulous as to the source of their anger too. But that won’t stop a riot.

The problem here is that a lot of people are (and I’m not going to pull any punches, here) sounding very much like overzealous right-wing nutters. Almost exactly like, in fact. And that’s not an insult, it’s an entirely factual observation. “ARE YOU WITH THE TERRARISTS OR ARE YOU WITH US?” is the sort of question that this whole discussion is about.

But who are the terrorists? Are hackers terrorists? Who are the hackers? How do you define a hacker? These are all very important questions.

I certainly wasn’t feeling a whole lot of terror from all this. Let’s keepp things in perspective, here. Being injured or knowing that you’re in the vicinity of people with guns/bombs isn’t the same as the mild inconvenience of having to cancel your credit card data. Now a statement with that is going to make some people very passionate, and it’s going to have them think “HE’S WITH THE HACKERS, HE IS A TERRORIST.” and they’d be wrong. Wrong because things aren’t that black and white.

What we have here are a mix of things.

Hackers: As in your average hacker who tinkers with technology and keeps the Internet alive and well have little to do with any of this, and a number of them might not even be aware of the concerns of gamers.

Script Kiddies: These are the sorts of people who throw around DDoS attacks. A DDoS is easy. Anyone can do it. And there are some script kiddies in the LulzSec ranks, that’s for sure, but that doesn’t account for all of them.

Black Hat Hackers: LulzSec falls under this umbrella. They’re doing what they’re doing for their own gain in the form of their amusement. Some of them are exceedingly talented, but as they said on their own twitter ‘if you want ethics, go and cry to Anonymous.’ Black hat hackers are those who use hacking talents towards unethical ends.

Then you have the people who attacked Sony. I’d say that there were a number of groups involved there. Fraudsters, for one, who tend to range from anywhere between script kiddie and professional black hat hacker, and I suspect that they played a part in bending Sony over. Then you have your average black hat hackers, some of whom might have been acting under the umbrella of Anonymous ‘for the lulz,’ but they wouldn’t be that different to LulzSec.

The primary proposed goal for Anonymous in regards to Sony was one of Youtube campaigns, as reported by BoingBoing, rather than actual hacking. But as this article mentions, anyone can act as Anonymous, even black hat hackers.

I’ll say again that most hackers are just everyday people, they either do it as a hobby to see what they can do with technology, or they work with security firms to ensure that you have some level of security and stability in your day to day life. Using hackers as a derogatory term is insulting to anyone who’s never done anything to harm anyone. And it’s tiring to see it happen.

All this rage, and so many people not really understanding what’s going on… hopefully this has helped shed a little light on things.

I don’t really have the time or interest to read the above comments thread – some of us have jobs – but can somebody summarise the general mood for me in a sentence? I’m guessing this cunt can fuck right off, yes?

@ Anonymous,

Pathetic group, attacking in old school DDOS a “GAMING COMPANY” not a ” CYBER SECURITY COMPANY ” what’s the great ” 0wned ” achievement here.

Gaming companies are not supposed to be hack proof whatsoever.

Anonymous = Script kiddies … LMAO