“Anonymous” file found on server, Sony tells Congress

@49
Unfortunately you don’t seem to have sold your caps lock key yet.

@48

Well dude I’m just using something called logic, I’ll give you an example. Anon said that something big was coming…days later, the outage. Then Anon said that they weren’t sure other anons did the attack. And I’m not even mentioning the file that was left on the server. So 1+1=2 NOT 3. But hey, since it’s cool to defend Anon, fuck logic right?

“Expect us”
“We do not forgive”
“We do not forget”
“We are legion”

…

“We never did anything! Why are you accusing us?”

#52 you use logic and is good,iam not debating that, is a great possibility by the way , but i did use logic too and is also a great possibility, therefore both are equal on the level that anyone could end up be the truth, iam not saying fuck logic, iam saying that there is more than one possibility thats all.

@54

Agreed, there are many possibilities, I’m just leaning over the one that seems more viable to me.

anoymous is for the GREATER GOOD

Bottom line is you can’t publicly THREATEN a global company such as Sony, then expect NOT to get blamed for this shit happening right after…

Whether Anonymous did it or not, because of their public involvment, and more importantly their threat towards Sony (see #28), they are now primary suspect(s)….and rightfully so.

@56
They’re feminists?

hope Anonymous burn in hell

This sucks bad, I want to play some fuckin Uncharted 2!

The FBI or any law enforcement cannot imprison or stop an idea, nothing can.

“Sophisticated cyber attack.”

Really Sony?

This reminds me of that Penny Arcade strip.

“Sir, the hackers have stolen our Internets!”
“Which ones?”
“ALL OF THEM!”

It’s the sort of thing that makes your brain want to leap out of your ear so it won’t have to be exposed to what it’s seeing any more.

Reality: They had incredibly lax security and a bunch of kids found their way in.

Sony Version: In a dark basement in the Middle East, Anonymous gear up in their L33T Cyber HAX Gear and prepare to dive into the Internets! Trained by the best guerrilla warfare specialists in the world to wage cyber war on our Internets! They were calculated, they acted with precision, they were like fingers of the same hand. They… were… legion.

/facepalm

(They should totally have a game made about that. You know, Sony fans would lap it up. “Battle the evil hordes of Anonymous in your Playstation Power Suit, hit them where it hurts, and send them running home to mama!”)

I don’t care anymore! I just want PSN back!

@61 Not sure if you’re refering to my comment or not (#57), but just encase you are…

If I PUBLICLY threaten to kill the president to millions of people over the internet, then days later the president is killed, whether I did it or not, I’m going down.

I hope they track these bastards down and they get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

@62
“Reality: They had incredibly lax security and a bunch of kids found their way in.”

I don’t buy the poor security argument. How does lax security keep PSN safe and secure for 5 years since it’s initial launch? And don’t say no-one tried hacking PS3/PSN the first 5 years until GeoPutz came along…

Great post TheWulf! I laughed good at that.

Wait, wait, wait.

Did the article just call Anonymous a “firm?”

@64 The only people that take TheWulf’s comments with any seriousness are the ones who want to believe the same line of crap.

Going by TheWulf’s mantra and logic, Sony hacked Sony.

Once you realise that sort of thinking is afoot, you know what to expect from such people and their supporters.

It is obvious that a member, or several, members of anonymous did this attack.

Even though they released that video saying they did not a few weeks back, theres no way any one person can speak for anonymous, simply due to the nature of the group, “Anonymous” xD

Read the whole letter HERE guys, the blog is just snippits.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/sets/72157626521862165/with/5687530922/

@69 the link to that was in the post from the beginning. Some people are just link adverse :p

im not gonna lie. I didnt read the article fully or any of the comments. i just wanted to say.
Get them mother fuckers Sony!! Beat their asses down!!! Fry em!

Put a 5 million dollar bounty on these fuckers heads and see how fast they pop up. I swear I hope Mike Bowden is some how connected with these fuckers and he goes down with them.

Well, all freaks who form Anonymous will burn in hell for sure, but how about some punishment in real life?
I think it’s time not just Sony, but governments of all large countries track and eliminate this stain off the face of Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia3wlRBVcO0&feature=relmfu

NUF SAID!!!!

@56 PURGE THE TAU DOUCHES!

@67

No, I’ve never said that at all. I’m just saying that Sony went out of their way to make it as easy as possible for people to hack them, they had no barriers, no defences, and they just didn’t give a shit until the worst happened. And now they think that throwing ever more lawyers and police forces at this will solve the problems that they created.

if they’d not been lazy and cheap, and actually budgeted in some decent security experts in the first place then none of this would have happened. To this day, Steam, the PC content platform, is an impregnable fortress. Why is this? Valve aren’t stupid. They started out as developers themselves and they realise the importance of software security, so they tend to make sure that they’re always on top of the latest forms of security. Ex: That particularly nice Steam Guard feature.

Valve are always doing things to increase the security of themselves and their users. This is a concern that they take seriously, but for Sony it was a joke to them until someone actually took them up on their offer to raid their completely open networks.

The hacker in question was likely just a bored kid, you know the sort, rebellious, angry at the world, and so on. Yes, the hacker is at fault, but if Sony made it as easy as possible for the hacker to accomplish their goal, then do you believe that Sony has no fault? But that’s the problem with you fanboys and your blind loyalty to Sony. You treat their corporation like some kind of god, and you’re its cult. They don’t need PR when they have talking heads like you, do they?

Wake up. Seriously.

Sony dropped the ball, here. No, Sony didn’t hack Sony, that’s stupid, but the only people to hurt Sony really were Sony. Why? I mean, you’re not a complete imbecile, man. You’re not. You shouldn’t be. So take off the blinkers and think for a moment, will you? Please? I’d really appreciate it. If you have absolutely no data security going on whatsoever, then making things so easy is just an invite.

Sony are just as culpable and responsible as the hacker, and they’re certainly responsible for not keeping credit card details safe – yours and mine. If this had been Microsoft that had dropped the ball I’d be just as angry, I don’t care. Either way. Whomever. The point is is that Sony spent more money on lawyers and marketing, and none on security.

That credit card details, personal information, passwords and more are out there now in the hands of people that shouldn’t have them is Sony’s fault. if Sony had had security like Valve’s, then the hacker would’ve just gotten bored and given up. But it was easy for them. You just have to stop and think about WHY that is. Think about why it’s never happened to Valve. Use your brain, man. You must have one, surely.

Conclusion: If Sony made it as easy as possible for hackers to steal your personal data, whose fault is it? Sony’s fault, obviously. And thus, if their reputation suffers from this, from their own negligence, whom would you say is hurting Sony? Sony. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

@76
“Sony dropped the ball, here. No, Sony didn’t hack Sony, that’s stupid, but the only people to hurt Sony really were Sony. Why?”
then you just proceed with insults and then changes subject.

you’re basically saying that if your house gets robbed and you don’t have an alarm, then it’s the victim’s fault. it doesn’t work that way in the real world. whether sony was irresponsible or not doesn’t have anything to do with this. this is about the attack on their network, a crime done by someone. your logic is completely retarded.

pro non sequitur, though.

@77

No, the analogy you are looking for is: “if your house gets robbed but you left the doors unlocked then your at just as much fault as the robber”. Not sure I agree with it, but that is what he is implying.

The only console I own is a PS3 and I can attest to being somewhat of a Sony fanboy (hell, theirs is the only console that lets me play MGS4 ), but that will not stop me from saying that #76 makes a mighty good argument there.

Yes, malicious cun- ahem, hackers, were intent on causing damage, but ffs, we’re talking about Sony here – a multinational, global fire-breathing powerhouse of an electronics company. Are you telling me they didn’t have the wherewithal to anticipate such an attack and beef up their networks’ security barriers? Sorry, but this all just rings of corporate negligence to me. Hopefully the lessons they’ll have surely learnt from this whole mess will keep them in good stead for the future.

For now though, Sony, just bloody get PSN up again! BFBC2 is literally crying out in its case for me to play it. We’ve never been apart for this long.

@79
The response obvious to me is that no network is perfectly safe. In much the same way as no software is unhackable, and as no lock is unpickable, no network connected to the internet is completely impervious to attack. Sony could have seen an attack coming, but that does not mean that they knew every possible means of attack or every way to prevent each sort of attack.

Now, the very fact that an attack was successful does not mean that Sony ‘left the front door open.’ What it means was that someone outsmarted Sony’s security measures. If the network was not highly secure, it may not have taken much to break into it. However, it may have been the case that the network was very secure, in which case it may have taken someone very creative and clever to access the information. We do not know the nature of the attack. We do not know the means or mode of access; the identity, number of, or background of the attackers involved; or the measures Sony used to secure its network, whether these measures were in line with industry standards, et cetera. Given the information available to us, we have no basis to conclude that the network was either poorly or highly secured at the time of the attack. All we know is the obvious fact that the network was not secure enough to prevent the attack.

The fact is, there is only one way to completely secure a network, and Sony did just that when it learned of the attack: it disconnected the service. If it wanted to prevent all attacks, it wouldn’t ever turn the network on. But as Sony provides a network service, it shoulders the risk of attacks on its network, and bears the burden of taking reasonable measures to maintain security. While analogies are intuitive, they do not inform us what Sony’s legal responsibilities are. Laws tell us those. And I can guarantee you that there is no law that requires Sony to ensure that no hacker can ever outsmart its security system.

@80 Your posts are always a pleasure to read – showing common sense and rational thought. A welcome and refreshing change from the norm.

@76 Well, your argument holds true. Oh, hang on. I just realised some things:

- You’re overlooking 5 years of hack-free history
- You’re overlooking Valve themselves getting hacked

Whoops

The rest of your argument is based on the notion that Sony’s network doors were deliberately left wide open. Which doesn’t really fit with that whole ‘last 5 years’ thing. I guess we’ll ignore history and just believe your spiel instead!

On top of which, it’s highly doubtful you’re in any position to speak with any authority on the set up of a global corporation’s network infrastructure. You’re clearly not Sony, so you’re either a hacker or someone making guesses. You supposed authority is even more doubtful with your fondness for overlooking facts that don’t fit your argument.

After that, your repeated statements basically boil down to “bitch had it coming” which really isn’t a very good argument at all. Ignoring history and overlooking logic isn’t a great tactic either.

It’s astonishing how easy it is to deconstruct these outraged rants when you simply apply history and logic to them. If you remain objective rather than rant off emotion and some ridiculous bias you can usually see straight through the bullshit. Unless you’re emotional and biased yourself – in which case you’d probably just endorse any sort of bullshit that suited your view irrespective of how silly it actually is.

tl;dr: The only one hurting TheWulf’s credibility is TheWulf

@78
no it’s not. If your house doesn’t have a lock, then that means it’s open for everyone without any kind of function to keep people away. Sony’s servers do, on the other hand, have functions to keep people away. If they didn’t, then I could “hack” sony as well. Those servers and the data within is locked from the public. Just because they managed to break the lock doesn’t mean there never was any.

so just coming into this argument, this entire thing just sucks. Yeah Sony got hacked, so whats your point if it was anon or some one else trying to prove that they had what it took to stand with the big boys and do this sort of thing then well good job, you have lost Sony a lot of money at this point by doing a truly dick move and well the millions of PSN/SOE users out there will want to beat the crap out of you in a dark alley some where.

As for this argument by anon about Sony “limiting the free flow of information” so what you sign an end user agreement when you buy and run your PS# that you have to follow what the company decided to do with up dates. Here is an idea why don’t you hack Microsoft for the same policies that where put into place for the decade+ due to the allowance of DRM software/hardware that has been put into place thanks to US laws that where past back in 1998.

Look it comes down to this who ever did this your an asshole who has stopped millions from enjoying what a game console is designed to do these days play games with any one in the world. your not Robin Hood fighting for the little guy, your just a prick with a chip on your shoulder. So yeah thanks anon or whom ever. way to hurt alot of people, also can you take the stick out of your ass and grow up?