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“Anonymous” file found on server, Sony tells Congress

Wednesday, 4th May 2011 16:58 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

Sony has issued a response to a US Congress subcommittee following the PSN hacker hearing held earlier today, revealing it found a file on its server saying, “We are legion”.

The hearing was viewable live on C-SPAN.

Following the downtime of the US and EU service for over two weeks after hacker activity and the compromise of user details, Australian and US Congressional hearings have taken place over the last couple of days.

Today, Kazuo Hirai, chairman of the board of directors at SCEA, submitted written answers to questions posed by the subcommittee regarding the PSN breach, and the firm’s US director of corporate communications, Patrick Seybold, shared the documents via the US PS Blog.

Sony has now said it found a file named “Anonymous” on one of its servers with the words “We are Legion” attached to it.

“In summary, we told the subcommittee that in dealing with this cyber attack we followed four key principles: Act with care and caution, provide relevant information to the public when it has been verified, take responsibility for our obligations to our customers, and Work with law enforcement authorities,” said Seybold.

“We also informed the subcommittee of the following: Sony has been the victim of a very carefully planned, very professional, highly sophisticated criminal cyber attack.

“We discovered that the intruders had planted a file on one of our Sony Online Entertainment servers named ‘Anonymous’ with the words “We are Legion.” By April 25, forensic teams were able to confirm the scope of the personal data they believed had been taken, and could not rule out whether credit card information had been accessed. On April 26, we notified customers of those facts.

“As of today, the major credit card companies have not reported any fraudulent transactions that they believe are the direct result of this cyber attack. Protecting individuals’ personal data is the highest priority and ensuring that the Internet can be made secure for commerce is also essential. Worldwide, countries and businesses will have to come together to ensure the safety of commerce over the Internet and find ways to combat cybercrime and cyber terrorism.

“We are taking a number of steps to prevent future breaches, including enhanced levels of data protection and encryption; enhanced ability to detect software intrusions, unauthorized access and unusual activity patterns; additional firewalls; establishment of a new data center in an undisclosed location with increased security; and the naming of a new Chief Information Security Officer.

“We told the subcommittee about our intent to offer complimentary identity theft protection to U.S. account holders and detailed the ‘Welcome Back’ program that includes free downloads, 30 days of free membership in the PlayStation Plus premium subscription service; 30 days of free service for Music Unlimited subscribers; and extending PlayStation Plus and Music Unlimited subscriptions for the number of days services were unavailable.

“We are working around the clock to have some PlayStation Network services restored and we’ll be providing specific details shortly. We hope this update is helpful to you, and we will continue to keep you posted as we work to restore our network and provide you with both the entertainment and the security you deserve.”

Hacker group Anonymous had previously stated it had nothing to do with the PSN breach, at least as a group effort. However, the firm was responsible for bringing PSN down for part of a day in early April, apparently using DDOS attacks.

After a public backlash, the group said it would no longer attack PSN, but instead suggested a sit-in protest at Sony stores, which failed to gain traction with consumers.

It was reported earlier today that a third security firm had been employed by Sony to aid in the PSN hacking investigation – an investigation that now involves US Homeland Security and the FBI.

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  1. Christopher Jack

    We discovered that the intruders had planted a file on one of our Sony Online Entertainment servers named “Anonymous” with the words “We are Legion”
    OMFG, fuck these pathetic cunts, never been more mad at this bunch of wankers! Why couldn’t hey have kept to harassing dictators & cults?
    Guess I was right with the theory that it was an attack to ruin Sony’s reputation rather than personal gain.

    #1 3 years ago
  2. Gekidami

    Of course it was Anonymous, did people really think it was just a coincidence this happened at the same time as the DOS attacks?

    #2 3 years ago
  3. Iliad

    Well, Anonymous did stupidly declare that they were about to do something big against Sony… and then something big happened against Sony. Doesn’t take a genius to realise 2 + 2 = 4.

    Of course, if you wanted to fuck with Sony and put the blame on an obvious suspect, then Anonymous are the perfect fall gays… sorry, girls… sorry, guys… sorry, people… sorry, twats.

    #3 3 years ago
  4. Talkar

    Why would anyone even think Anon is behind this? It isn’t what they do.
    It would go against everything Anon stands for to steal CC information.
    Obviously the person(s) that hacked PSN, planted that file, perhaps because they thought it would be cool, or perhaps, because they thought they were spreading the good words of Anon by doing so, or something completely else, i don’t know, but it’s absurd to think Anon is behind it!

    #4 3 years ago
  5. jdfoster00

    @4 We discovered that the intruders had planted a file on one of our Sony Online Entertainment servers named “Anonymous” with the words “We are Legion”

    So who was it then? How can you defend them when all the evidence points to them. If it is true that anoymous attacked sony and caused this I will loose all my respect for anonymous (that’s left anyway). I have and will not support anon in anyway and haver again lost so much respect for them. Like so many gamers out their. At the moment anon is public enemy number one and they need to do something quickly to regain the publics trust/support and respect which it has all lost! Not only is the US after them now but it’s every gamer out their!

    #5 3 years ago
  6. Hybridpsycho

    Problems with Anonymous is that no one knows who they are…therefor no one can confirm that this “Anonymous” is the “Actual” anonymous :/

    Whoever did it are cunts :p

    #6 3 years ago
  7. Iliad

    #4 I wouldn’t say it’s absurd to think that Anonymous was behind it. It only takes one greedy little prick in any group to cross the line – especially if they thought a big payday was at the end of it.

    Just because these criminals say they stand for certain ideals doesn’t mean they actually do. Plus, any group that says “We are legion” are clearly full of douches.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. Redh3lix

    I don’t quite understand how YOU feel it would be absurd to think Anonymous were behind it, Talkar, given that they are in fact hackers and given the fact they threatened Sony publicly with “something big”. Please, provide a valid argument for said absurd’ness.

    #8 3 years ago
  9. OrbitMonkey

    I agree with #4. I think it was a group of phishers using info made readily available by… er GeoHotz & Anonymous…. Erm accessory to the crime isn’t quite as bad is it?

    #9 3 years ago
  10. Talkar

    @5
    As i said in my earlier post, those who hacked PSN might have thought it could be cool, or they thought they helped Anon, i don’t know i don’t know them, but we don’t get any information as to of where the file originated, was it on the server? or was it from a computer and then uploaded to the server? If it is the last, why don’t you just check where it originated from? Many question that would either say for sure if it’s Anon or not is left unanswered. Personally i think Sony is just exploiting the publics hate for Anon until they find out who really did it, and then Anon will just get a “uuh hey, sorry guys..”. Of course, if Anon is really behind this (highly doubtfull) i will never support them again! But saying Anon did it is like saying Greenpeace slaughtered a million deers just for fun, it just goes against everything they stand for. (yeah i know, greenpeace isn’t really the best example xD )

    #10 3 years ago
  11. DrDamn

    @Talkar
    “It would go against everything Anon stands for to steal CC information.”

    Which they may well not have done – evidence suggests they may not have been taken. If as it seems it was elements of Anonymous then they are very clever but not very bright. Clever to hack in but not bright enough to realise the consequences of their actions. Assuming they didn’t want to piss off millions of people.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. Iliad

    I think Sony should offer a substantial reward to anyone that can identify members of Annoymous (extra n intended), leading to a conviction… or better yet, decapitation.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. RandomTiger

    Both situations seem quite likely, it could be a group or individual from Anonymous that didn’t agree with their press releases not to punish PSN users. Or it could be a tactic to frame them to direct attention away from finding an independent hacker.

    It will be interesting to see if the data does make its way into scams etc or not.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    “Of course it was Anonymous, did people really think it was just a coincidence this happened at the same time as the DOS attacks?”

    Couldn’t possibly agree more.

    “Well, Anonymous did stupidly declare that they were about to do something big against Sony… and then something big happened against Sony. Doesn’t take a genius to realise 2 + 2 = 4.”

    Again, couldn’t possibly agree more. They wanted to fuck with Sony, they THREATENED they were GOING to fuck with Sony, and they did. It doesn’t take Columbo to figure this out people.

    #14 3 years ago
  15. Christopher Jack

    No such thing as ‘actual Anonymous’. You’re either involved in the group or not, because of the fact that everybody is anonymous, they’re all equals & any jackass can speak on behalf of the group regardless of the overall collective decision. No group can run without any form of heriarchy, it’ll be chaos & that’s exactly what anonymous is, I reckon they should change their name to Chaos, adopt some of Warhammer’s emblems for representation too.

    #15 3 years ago
  16. jnms

    Shame the hackers didn’t leave a file on the Sony servers saying ‘Osama bin Laden’ – then everyone would automatically assume that he was behind the attack.

    #16 3 years ago
  17. Talkar

    @16
    The public sees what the public want to see right? xD

    #17 3 years ago
  18. xino

    no one’s credit card was used man!
    just f*king idiots trying to get attention or who ARE part of the Anon lying to people their cards were stolen!

    #18 3 years ago
  19. Fin

    We can all agree anonymous are pricks though, right?

    #19 3 years ago
  20. OlderGamer

    Random Tiger +1

    #20 3 years ago
  21. Hunam

    Circumstantial at best. Sony are just using this as an excuse to hit back at Anon.

    #21 3 years ago
  22. Christopher Jack

    @21, Are you accusing Sony of lying?

    #22 3 years ago
  23. onyxbox

    I bet Microsoft put the text file there :O

    #23 3 years ago
  24. ManuOtaku

    Like i sated in the past, The DOS attacks from Anonymous that affected more the users than sony, were wrong, but that is not enough reason to make me believe they are behind this.

    Therefore i agree with Random tiger comment that it could be a group or a single Person from Anonymous that didn’t agree with the out of court settlement Or it could be a tactic to frame them to direct attention away from finding an independent cracker, it was pretty easy do the attack and leave that message seeing the past events with the DOS attacks in order to create a diversion for a perfect crime.

    The sad thing its that it will be hard to find out, at least for the moment.

    P.S and iam not saying sony is lying or doing this on purpose iam saying the person or group of people who did it could easily do the attack and leave that message, becuase of the events with the DOS attacks creating the perfect diversion in order to do the perfect hit, they did it and others take the blame

    #24 3 years ago
  25. Alakratt

    Anon fighting for freedom of information…ha ha ha, more like the freedom of OUR information! I’d like to see any assholes defend them now!

    EDIT: Now that I think about it, let’s say for a minute that it wasn’t Anon, that Sony’s just using their name to place the blame. I think it’s genious! Now they’ll have even more negative attention on them, less support and more people after them! HAHAAA!!!!

    #25 3 years ago
  26. Hunam

    @22

    Sure, why not.

    #26 3 years ago
  27. 2plus2equals5

    Anonymous, this time you went too far.
    Geohot was lucky, but this time sony will make you pay this for the rest of your life…

    #27 3 years ago
  28. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    And I quote:

    “Sony. prepare for the biggest attack you have ever witnessed, anonymous style. -ANONYMOUS”

    Case closed.

    #28 3 years ago
  29. Gekidami

    @27
    Sony wont do anything, this time it’ll be the legal system on its own. You dont need to sue people that break the law, just press charges.

    #29 3 years ago
  30. Fin

    Occam’s razor anyone?

    #30 3 years ago
  31. theevilaires

    Look at all the posters who are defending Anonymous here. Look at the fool who doesn’t even turn his PS3 on but every blue moon still try and add his hate for SONY in the mix (pathetic).

    Question: If LIVE has so many games why are you constantly on here arguing about matters which don’t effect you?

    Answer: Because you have no life and you hate SONY for no reason.

    #31 3 years ago
  32. ManuOtaku

    Guys this thing is getting better than a soap opera, they should not do a trilogy, no instead a six movies out of this, this will blow matrix , star wars and the lord of the ring out of the water:
    1.- the Other S conspiracy
    2.- Geo Revolution
    3.- the two towers (geo and sony in court)
    4.- Return of the anonymous
    5.- The Outage
    6.- The empire strikes Back (sony as the empire)

    #32 3 years ago
  33. Kerplunk

    The nebulous structure of Anonymous works for them and against them in equal measure. Sure, they can say “we are legion” and they can make threats over YouTube to dramatic music and people can understand it’s impossible to pin them down.

    For the same reasons, Anonymous cannot speak for themselves with 100% certainty. Maybe 99% of the amorphous blob that is Anonymous had nothing to do with this. But it only takes 1% to decide to go that extra step.

    Anonymous (the entity) simply cannot state they had absolutely nothing to do with this without compromising their entire principle of who they are and how they organise themselves.

    This is the flip side of what happens when you say you are everywhere all at once – you can’t say you weren’t there when shit hit the fan.

    Catch 22 for Anonymous.

    #33 3 years ago
  34. lexph3re

    You can’t go around using slogans like “we are legion” then get mad when a part of said legion does something supposedly against their morales. To claim legion is to claim 1 body 1 mind 1 soul. So yes 1 guy speaks for all those in anon that is the image they gave. That is who they say they are

    #34 3 years ago
  35. lexph3re

    Dangit kerplunk!

    #35 3 years ago
  36. OlderGamer

    @Kerplunk and Lex

    Yep

    #36 3 years ago
  37. Alakratt

    @TEA

    Let them defend those ‘tards! When they get hacked and their identities or money stolen, let’s see if they defend Anon then. We all know now that Anon, in the end, are a bunch of thiefs! They are NOT fighting for your rights! needless to say information. They just want free stuff!

    #37 3 years ago
  38. Talkar

    @37
    Because that is obviously what they have done in the past! right?

    #38 3 years ago
  39. get2sammyb

    @26 – Because they are responding to congress and have the FBI breathing down their neck.

    #39 3 years ago
  40. Alakratt

    commment #56 on the PS blog about the congress response, makes some interesting points. Like Anon sending a hit man hacker, someone on the inside (of Sony duh!) to let a door in, tweaing the FW (downloaded from the official PS site) and installing it, and that they’ll be another attack 1 or 2 weeks after PSN comes back up.

    Here’s the comment (not in perfect english):

    “Then Psn legion speaks:
    Live ALERT;
    We are gld sony haslistened to the gamers onthis matter and and really coming around to know that all along anon has been doing these attacks. The rumor mill is true they sent a hit man hacker to do the attack and they lanned this attack on sony by using mal ware and sophicated root. We at the legion also truly think some from inside of sony hardware division is helping them do these attacks. SOny I hope look into past and current employees who knew the system and montiot them closey.
    We are also aware at the psn legionairre commitee that more attack will come the 1-2 second week of up graded psn.Sony please dont allow the update to able to download via computer anymore . Please use a system thats will not function without proper authorization.Becuase we have confirmed that these hackers copy your framewares via computer via usb.
    ty. mcbuttz78
    vp-psn legionairee commitee”

    #40 3 years ago
  41. Hunam

    @37 Jumping to conclusions. There has been no concrete evidence that details from the PSN hack has been used in any way yet.

    I’m not defending Anon, I’m defending the “Innocent until proven guilty” part of the law. But it’s funny how it’s OK to blindly love Sony but not OK to blindly hate them. This is exactly how corporations want people to act. They want to sell you thinks at a mark up and them pat them on ass the for the pleasure of it. Corporations aren’t looking out for you at all and I find it worrying that so many people are defending them so much.

    If it can be proven that Anon hacked PSN then I’ll be more than happy to circle them out as the bad guys, but until that happens, I’m not going to believe a red faced corporation trying to make a boogey man out of Anon for their own ends.

    #41 3 years ago
  42. Alakratt

    @38

    No, well at least not that we know of. But just because they didn’t do shit like this in the past DOES NOT mean they didn’t do this or that they’ll do it again. a little bit shortsighted there huh buddy?

    #42 3 years ago
  43. Mystic Sage

    I hope the FBI busts into all there mothers basements and arrests them all for this bs!

    #43 3 years ago
  44. Gigabomber

    Classic Misdirection and – of course – they bit and made an announcement about it. What a set up. Losing even more respect for Sony.

    #44 3 years ago
  45. minxamo

    I think ‘Anonymous’ are faggots in general, and after doing this they’re even worse, but i have to admit that was pretty badass…

    #45 3 years ago
  46. Alakratt

    @41

    You do realize that Anon themselves have admitted that they are not sure other anons acted on their own right? You, obviously, are ignoring the fact that they’ve said that a big attack was coming too. In the comments here you can find the sources of what I’m saying. So just because they don’t use your personal info their hack is cool…nice way of thinking there. So it can be two things, either you are ignoring the facts and are defending them because it’s the “cool and rebel” thing to do or you’re the one who’s blind.

    EDIT: I’ll post the sources here to make it easier for you:

    Anon saying that their DDOS attacks were merely prep for what’s to come: http://www.destructoid.com/anonymous-big-surprises-coming-for-sony-198235.phtml

    Anon saying that other anons could have acted by themselves:http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2384012,00.asp

    But of course, they couldn’t have done it because they’ve NEVER EVEN said that something bigger was coming…wow now who’s blind?

    #46 3 years ago
  47. reask

    Without going over everything again at the end of the day we are entering the third week of no PSN.
    Regardless of your thoughts on this it has to be hurting Sony big time.
    It had to be a very serious attack and the question still in my mind is can they do enough to prevent another attack if it goes back up again?

    Leaving aside the likes and dislikes or the banter between both consoles this has had to hurt Sony,s reputation.

    Before I get targeted I would like to add that I personally reckon the same thing could be done to live as the structures I would imagine share a lot of similar procedures.(If you get what I am trying to say)
    A lot of folks who only play online must be pretty cheesed off at this point.

    #47 3 years ago
  48. ManuOtaku

    #46 and with all due respect, You do realize that the crackers that done this, could use all the information you put, and that is available to everyone in the world, in order to frame anonymous because it was pretty easy do the attack and leave that message seeing the past events with the DOS attacks, and all that you stated in order to create a diversion for a perfect crime, they hit the PSN and Anonymous gets the blame.
    Both scenarios the one you put so rightfuly and the above mentioned, both are possibilitys with equal value, till the final veredict is done.

    I think is better to wait for more information, in order to see who did these attack.

    P.S also anon couldnt rule that out, i mean that one of his members could act on his own free will, thats another possibility, but not a fact, at this moment all is specullation on everybodys part

    #48 3 years ago
  49. FedUp

    SONY IS DRAGGING US ALONG BY THE COLLAR BY TELLING US THE NETWORK WILL BE BACK UP SOON. YOU SAID THAT OVER A WEEK AGO SONY, AND THE NETWORK IS STILL DOWN AND YOU KNEW IT WOULD BE. STOP FEEDING THE PUBLIC LIES TO SHUT US UP AND TO GET US TO WAIT. THIS IS B.S.!!! THE REST OF MY BRICKED PLAYSTATION GARBAGE IS GOING UP FOR SALE, HALF IS ALREADY SOLD. SOCOM 4 = WASTE OF MONEY. I WILL NOT BE WASTING ANY MORE MONEY ON SONY. YOU SHOULD HAVE GIVEN A RELIABLE DATE BY NOW.

    #49 3 years ago
  50. DrDamn

    Not sure there is a lot to be gained by either Sony pretending it was Anonymous – frankly a ludicrous suggestion, or in fact someone else pretending to be Anonymous or part of Anonymous. What do they gain by doing that? Misdirection of investigations? Misdirecting the investigation to a large and undefined group of anonymous people? Hardly a good misdirection is it? Aside from not being that effective you may also be pissing off a significant hacking community for impersonating them.

    #50 3 years ago
  51. DrDamn

    @49
    Unfortunately you don’t seem to have sold your caps lock key yet.

    #51 3 years ago
  52. Alakratt

    @48

    Well dude I’m just using something called logic, I’ll give you an example. Anon said that something big was coming…days later, the outage. Then Anon said that they weren’t sure other anons did the attack. And I’m not even mentioning the file that was left on the server. So 1+1=2 NOT 3. But hey, since it’s cool to defend Anon, fuck logic right?

    #52 3 years ago
  53. Kerplunk

    “Expect us”
    “We do not forgive”
    “We do not forget”
    “We are legion”

    “We never did anything! Why are you accusing us?”

    #53 3 years ago
  54. ManuOtaku

    #52 you use logic and is good,iam not debating that, is a great possibility by the way , but i did use logic too and is also a great possibility, therefore both are equal on the level that anyone could end up be the truth, iam not saying fuck logic, iam saying that there is more than one possibility thats all.

    #54 3 years ago
  55. Alakratt

    @54

    Agreed, there are many possibilities, I’m just leaning over the one that seems more viable to me.

    #55 3 years ago
  56. LOLshock94

    anoymous is for the GREATER GOOD

    #56 3 years ago
  57. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    Bottom line is you can’t publicly THREATEN a global company such as Sony, then expect NOT to get blamed for this shit happening right after…

    Whether Anonymous did it or not, because of their public involvment, and more importantly their threat towards Sony (see #28), they are now primary suspect(s)….and rightfully so.

    #57 3 years ago
  58. DrDamn

    @56
    They’re feminists?

    #58 3 years ago
  59. KrazyKraut

    hope Anonymous burn in hell

    #59 3 years ago
  60. HauntaVirus

    This sucks bad, I want to play some fuckin Uncharted 2!

    #60 3 years ago
  61. LOLshock94

    The FBI or any law enforcement cannot imprison or stop an idea, nothing can.

    #61 3 years ago
  62. TheWulf

    “Sophisticated cyber attack.”

    Really Sony?

    This reminds me of that Penny Arcade strip.

    “Sir, the hackers have stolen our Internets!”
    “Which ones?”
    “ALL OF THEM!”

    It’s the sort of thing that makes your brain want to leap out of your ear so it won’t have to be exposed to what it’s seeing any more.

    Reality: They had incredibly lax security and a bunch of kids found their way in.

    Sony Version: In a dark basement in the Middle East, Anonymous gear up in their L33T Cyber HAX Gear and prepare to dive into the Internets! Trained by the best guerrilla warfare specialists in the world to wage cyber war on our Internets! They were calculated, they acted with precision, they were like fingers of the same hand. They… were… legion.

    /facepalm

    (They should totally have a game made about that. You know, Sony fans would lap it up. “Battle the evil hordes of Anonymous in your Playstation Power Suit, hit them where it hurts, and send them running home to mama!”)

    #62 3 years ago
  63. Cozzy

    I don’t care anymore! I just want PSN back!

    #63 3 years ago
  64. Dr.Ghettoblaster

    @61 Not sure if you’re refering to my comment or not (#57), but just encase you are… :)

    If I PUBLICLY threaten to kill the president to millions of people over the internet, then days later the president is killed, whether I did it or not, I’m going down.

    I hope they track these bastards down and they get prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    @62
    “Reality: They had incredibly lax security and a bunch of kids found their way in.”

    I don’t buy the poor security argument. How does lax security keep PSN safe and secure for 5 years since it’s initial launch? And don’t say no-one tried hacking PS3/PSN the first 5 years until GeoPutz came along…

    #64 3 years ago
  65. OlderGamer

    Great post TheWulf! I laughed good at that. :)

    #65 3 years ago
  66. Cygnar

    Wait, wait, wait.

    Did the article just call Anonymous a “firm?”

    #66 3 years ago
  67. Kerplunk

    @64 The only people that take TheWulf’s comments with any seriousness are the ones who want to believe the same line of crap.

    Going by TheWulf’s mantra and logic, Sony hacked Sony.

    Once you realise that sort of thinking is afoot, you know what to expect from such people and their supporters.

    #67 3 years ago
  68. Gama_888

    It is obvious that a member, or several, members of anonymous did this attack.

    Even though they released that video saying they did not a few weeks back, theres no way any one person can speak for anonymous, simply due to the nature of the group, “Anonymous” xD

    #68 3 years ago
  69. TIMCSS

    Read the whole letter HERE guys, the blog is just snippits.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/sets/72157626521862165/with/5687530922/

    #69 3 years ago
  70. Stephany Nunneley

    @69 the link to that was in the post from the beginning. Some people are just link adverse :p

    #70 3 years ago
  71. spiderLAW

    im not gonna lie. I didnt read the article fully or any of the comments. i just wanted to say.
    Get them mother fuckers Sony!! Beat their asses down!!! Fry em!

    #71 3 years ago
  72. theevilaires

    Put a 5 million dollar bounty on these fuckers heads and see how fast they pop up. I swear I hope Mike Bowden is some how connected with these fuckers and he goes down with them.

    #72 3 years ago
  73. Lord Gremlin

    Well, all freaks who form Anonymous will burn in hell for sure, but how about some punishment in real life?
    I think it’s time not just Sony, but governments of all large countries track and eliminate this stain off the face of Earth.

    #73 3 years ago
  74. NightCrawler1970

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia3wlRBVcO0&feature=relmfu

    NUF SAID!!!!

    #74 3 years ago
  75. NeoSquall

    @56 PURGE THE TAU DOUCHES!

    #75 3 years ago
  76. TheWulf

    @67

    No, I’ve never said that at all. I’m just saying that Sony went out of their way to make it as easy as possible for people to hack them, they had no barriers, no defences, and they just didn’t give a shit until the worst happened. And now they think that throwing ever more lawyers and police forces at this will solve the problems that they created.

    if they’d not been lazy and cheap, and actually budgeted in some decent security experts in the first place then none of this would have happened. To this day, Steam, the PC content platform, is an impregnable fortress. Why is this? Valve aren’t stupid. They started out as developers themselves and they realise the importance of software security, so they tend to make sure that they’re always on top of the latest forms of security. Ex: That particularly nice Steam Guard feature.

    Valve are always doing things to increase the security of themselves and their users. This is a concern that they take seriously, but for Sony it was a joke to them until someone actually took them up on their offer to raid their completely open networks.

    The hacker in question was likely just a bored kid, you know the sort, rebellious, angry at the world, and so on. Yes, the hacker is at fault, but if Sony made it as easy as possible for the hacker to accomplish their goal, then do you believe that Sony has no fault? But that’s the problem with you fanboys and your blind loyalty to Sony. You treat their corporation like some kind of god, and you’re its cult. They don’t need PR when they have talking heads like you, do they?

    Wake up. Seriously.

    Sony dropped the ball, here. No, Sony didn’t hack Sony, that’s stupid, but the only people to hurt Sony really were Sony. Why? I mean, you’re not a complete imbecile, man. You’re not. You shouldn’t be. So take off the blinkers and think for a moment, will you? Please? I’d really appreciate it. If you have absolutely no data security going on whatsoever, then making things so easy is just an invite.

    Sony are just as culpable and responsible as the hacker, and they’re certainly responsible for not keeping credit card details safe – yours and mine. If this had been Microsoft that had dropped the ball I’d be just as angry, I don’t care. Either way. Whomever. The point is is that Sony spent more money on lawyers and marketing, and none on security.

    That credit card details, personal information, passwords and more are out there now in the hands of people that shouldn’t have them is Sony’s fault. if Sony had had security like Valve’s, then the hacker would’ve just gotten bored and given up. But it was easy for them. You just have to stop and think about WHY that is. Think about why it’s never happened to Valve. Use your brain, man. You must have one, surely.

    Conclusion: If Sony made it as easy as possible for hackers to steal your personal data, whose fault is it? Sony’s fault, obviously. And thus, if their reputation suffers from this, from their own negligence, whom would you say is hurting Sony? Sony. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

    #76 3 years ago
  77. klewd

    @76
    “Sony dropped the ball, here. No, Sony didn’t hack Sony, that’s stupid, but the only people to hurt Sony really were Sony. Why?”
    then you just proceed with insults and then changes subject.

    you’re basically saying that if your house gets robbed and you don’t have an alarm, then it’s the victim’s fault. it doesn’t work that way in the real world. whether sony was irresponsible or not doesn’t have anything to do with this. this is about the attack on their network, a crime done by someone. your logic is completely retarded.

    pro non sequitur, though.

    #77 3 years ago
  78. OwningXylophone

    @77

    No, the analogy you are looking for is: “if your house gets robbed but you left the doors unlocked then your at just as much fault as the robber”. Not sure I agree with it, but that is what he is implying.

    #78 3 years ago
  79. mathare92

    The only console I own is a PS3 and I can attest to being somewhat of a Sony fanboy (hell, theirs is the only console that lets me play MGS4 :D), but that will not stop me from saying that #76 makes a mighty good argument there.

    Yes, malicious cun- ahem, hackers, were intent on causing damage, but ffs, we’re talking about Sony here – a multinational, global fire-breathing powerhouse of an electronics company. Are you telling me they didn’t have the wherewithal to anticipate such an attack and beef up their networks’ security barriers? Sorry, but this all just rings of corporate negligence to me. Hopefully the lessons they’ll have surely learnt from this whole mess will keep them in good stead for the future.

    For now though, Sony, just bloody get PSN up again! BFBC2 is literally crying out in its case for me to play it. We’ve never been apart for this long. :)

    #79 3 years ago
  80. Cygnar

    @79
    The response obvious to me is that no network is perfectly safe. In much the same way as no software is unhackable, and as no lock is unpickable, no network connected to the internet is completely impervious to attack. Sony could have seen an attack coming, but that does not mean that they knew every possible means of attack or every way to prevent each sort of attack.

    Now, the very fact that an attack was successful does not mean that Sony ‘left the front door open.’ What it means was that someone outsmarted Sony’s security measures. If the network was not highly secure, it may not have taken much to break into it. However, it may have been the case that the network was very secure, in which case it may have taken someone very creative and clever to access the information. We do not know the nature of the attack. We do not know the means or mode of access; the identity, number of, or background of the attackers involved; or the measures Sony used to secure its network, whether these measures were in line with industry standards, et cetera. Given the information available to us, we have no basis to conclude that the network was either poorly or highly secured at the time of the attack. All we know is the obvious fact that the network was not secure enough to prevent the attack.

    The fact is, there is only one way to completely secure a network, and Sony did just that when it learned of the attack: it disconnected the service. If it wanted to prevent all attacks, it wouldn’t ever turn the network on. But as Sony provides a network service, it shoulders the risk of attacks on its network, and bears the burden of taking reasonable measures to maintain security. While analogies are intuitive, they do not inform us what Sony’s legal responsibilities are. Laws tell us those. And I can guarantee you that there is no law that requires Sony to ensure that no hacker can ever outsmart its security system.

    #80 3 years ago
  81. Kerplunk

    @80 Your posts are always a pleasure to read – showing common sense and rational thought. A welcome and refreshing change from the norm.

    @76 Well, your argument holds true. Oh, hang on. I just realised some things:

    - You’re overlooking 5 years of hack-free history
    - You’re overlooking Valve themselves getting hacked

    Whoops

    The rest of your argument is based on the notion that Sony’s network doors were deliberately left wide open. Which doesn’t really fit with that whole ‘last 5 years’ thing. I guess we’ll ignore history and just believe your spiel instead!

    On top of which, it’s highly doubtful you’re in any position to speak with any authority on the set up of a global corporation’s network infrastructure. You’re clearly not Sony, so you’re either a hacker or someone making guesses. You supposed authority is even more doubtful with your fondness for overlooking facts that don’t fit your argument.

    After that, your repeated statements basically boil down to “bitch had it coming” which really isn’t a very good argument at all. Ignoring history and overlooking logic isn’t a great tactic either.

    It’s astonishing how easy it is to deconstruct these outraged rants when you simply apply history and logic to them. If you remain objective rather than rant off emotion and some ridiculous bias you can usually see straight through the bullshit. Unless you’re emotional and biased yourself – in which case you’d probably just endorse any sort of bullshit that suited your view irrespective of how silly it actually is.

    tl;dr: The only one hurting TheWulf’s credibility is TheWulf

    #81 3 years ago
  82. klewd

    @78
    no it’s not. If your house doesn’t have a lock, then that means it’s open for everyone without any kind of function to keep people away. Sony’s servers do, on the other hand, have functions to keep people away. If they didn’t, then I could “hack” sony as well. Those servers and the data within is locked from the public. Just because they managed to break the lock doesn’t mean there never was any.

    #82 3 years ago
  83. azunomi

    so just coming into this argument, this entire thing just sucks. Yeah Sony got hacked, so whats your point if it was anon or some one else trying to prove that they had what it took to stand with the big boys and do this sort of thing then well good job, you have lost Sony a lot of money at this point by doing a truly dick move and well the millions of PSN/SOE users out there will want to beat the crap out of you in a dark alley some where.

    As for this argument by anon about Sony “limiting the free flow of information” so what you sign an end user agreement when you buy and run your PS# that you have to follow what the company decided to do with up dates. Here is an idea why don’t you hack Microsoft for the same policies that where put into place for the decade+ due to the allowance of DRM software/hardware that has been put into place thanks to US laws that where past back in 1998.

    Look it comes down to this who ever did this your an asshole who has stopped millions from enjoying what a game console is designed to do these days play games with any one in the world. your not Robin Hood fighting for the little guy, your just a prick with a chip on your shoulder. So yeah thanks anon or whom ever. way to hurt alot of people, also can you take the stick out of your ass and grow up?

    #83 3 years ago