Bowling seeks to ease MW2 PC tension with IWNET explanation

none of his arguments really do anything to dispel people’s concerns. the reasons he lists are exactly the reason why people WANT dedicated servers. Not to mention IW still hasn’t told PC gamers how they’re going to handle mods and custom maps.

To be honest, what he explains is exactly what we thought it was going to be, which is Xbox Live. You will still not get the performance of a dedicated server and you’ll still have the age old problem of host advantage. This has basically cleared up nothing.

Come on, theres gotta be at least one pissed off Pc user out there with the know how hack the fuck out of IW servers and networks…

Bring the money grabbing cunt fuckers to their knees….

See how they like being taken up the ass without permission…

99% of pc gamers don’t even care about the cheaters, they’re part of the community too. Beating them at their own game is fun, banning them is fun.

People match Themselves against people of the right level. IF you’re by yourself you don’t take on a clan on their own server. if you’re with your dudes, you do.

People have their own party features, they’re called friendlists and if needed, modifications.

There is nothing on this list that hasn’t been done better by the community. Who have unlimited time and resources to service the players, unlike the developer.

There’s a reason the dedicated server model is still around: it works.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

I suspect this has allot to do with piracy, but when ever anti-piracy measures impact the enjoyment of the paying customer it is a failure.

But we are Pc gamers, therefore IW dont give a shit about our enjoyment.

They would rather we all just bought fisher price toys, more commonly known as a 360 or PS3.

Matchmaking was created to be a far more convenient way for console players to find matches in a more casual environment, and because the server browser method doesn’t work too well on consoles, as well as the issue of most live games not having dedicated servers until very recently.

It’s a console system, and PC games don’t need it. It adds to the experience on a console and restricts it on the PC.

There is nothing wrong with adding the IW.Net layer to do things like match-making, cheat protection, prevent piracy etc.

Taking the dedicated servers away at the same time as raising the RRP for the PC SKU isn’t exactly brilliant though.

If the private games are hosted on IW.net servers then that’s one thing but that distinction isn’t made clear so the implication is that matches will be P2P based.

Microsoft effectively bet (with Xbox Live) on broadband penetration increasing so as to negate the need for dedicated servers. I happen to agree with that particular call but this hasn’t been handled well at all. At a competitive / clan level there is a legitimate need for dedicated servers.

lol 25 pages of angry PC users comments (including mine)

IW = Greedy sell outs. The PC made that company and they stab us in the back.

wtf was that!? is this guy a f**king douchebag!? what’s the news!? we all know what “no dedicated servers, no server list, no mod support” means. why is he insulting our intelligence by explaining that!?

I’m glad I’m sparing myself the frustration of hopping from game to game trying to find a server of adults who want a mature and fun game not full of 12 year olds screaming the N word on their mic and not being able to do diddly about it unless IW plans to hire tens of thousands of game admins.

deftangel +1

Maybe they should just remove Mouse and Keyboard support too.

Don’t give them ideas Hunam, for fuck sake man!

He’s basically implying that if we cut our hands off we won’t have to buy gloves anymore.

Thanks for nothing, IW.

lol I bet IW are really wishing they didnt mention this now, just let PC gamers find out for themselves once they’d have bought it sort of thing.

as I said, another case of 402 not getting it. guy’s nice, but not very sharp.

I really don’t understand this guy! Call of Duty 4 worked soooo well on the PC the way it was, and now they’ve fucked PC gamers and basically turned MW2 into a console only game.

What a dumb move.

First there was OFP:Dragon Rising not getting Dedicated Servers, which has seen a similar (if not as huge) negative response on their forums, now MW2. Do any of these developers actually understand the PC multiplayer community?
I genuinely wonder how many of these devs that make these decisions were raised on consoles as opposed to PCs. Or maybe they *do* understand but in the rush to get these things to market, they chop off the ‘easy’ things to lose.
Maybe this is one way to track which devs are doing it for the business project, and which are doing it for the game.

I think what they’re really trying to do with this move is eliminate the piracy and anyone being able to run pirate enabled dedicated servers above anything else. Basically, it comes down to what all retarded game dev moves come down to, greed. even though they made more money than god on the last one and stood to make twice that much with this one, they couldn’t bare the thought of anyone playing this game without paying for it, so they decided to just merc the entire PC community. For all we know, they’re probably hoping this gives them the excuse to discontinue development for the PC altogether. Then they can just concentrate on those big console bucks and the giant, sellout inducing kickbacks they provide.

Hey IW, you guys want to be creative with your property, that’s fine but I suggest when it comes to something like this that you ask your base what they want before you just build it and tell us later.

Right now they’re telling us that it can’t and won’t be changed, that it would under mind what they’ve built into the game. I heard those exact words from EA about using the face buttons for Fight Night Round 4. After the sales crapped out, they patched it anyways.

The lesson is this, it doesn’t matter how clever or innovative you guys at IW think you are, if the game won’t sell because of it, don’t frickin do it, period.

Fourzerotwo is probably in a meeting trying to figure out what else to say that won’t fan the already hell fire of damnation. 420, I suggest you hide under the bed and stick your fingers in your ears and hum because unless your next statement is that IW is reinstating dedicated servers, this fire has just begun to rage.

completely agreed with DarkElfa. This might eliminate piracy to some point (not completely but partially) but it upset lots of core gamers too. not every where has good latency with official IW network, and people do hate lagging and lagers. Those player wont bother getting the game, I mean what the hell how can players like me play online then? OK Turkey and eastern European countries do gave IW a huge trouble but IW is taking that problem and shove it up our arses!

The problem with this supposedly helping to eliminate piracy is that they’ve now given 100,000 people an incentive to reverse engineer what is released in an effort to get what they felt should be included.

People would have done that anyway but I expect reverse engineered servers to be up in pretty short order.

Which will do nothing to help get their IW.net stuff off the ground or prevent piracy because those playing those patched versions are arguably getting a better product.

Match making does NOT work. Never has, never will. I just wish publishers/developers would be a bit more creative at tackling the pirates without having to punish the masses

Love the outrage, the uproar but .. I would have thought you guys would be pissed more about the new higher premium price point. I say screw em. No one is forcing you to play it. Stick with CoD MW1 or another game.

Not buying their new game is the only type of petition or msg they will understand.

AT pracer it’s actvision and the gaming Industry as whole. This is just the trigger to set things off.

actually match making does work at some degree. look at quake live! but that doesn’t mean that they should remove dedicated servers. they can have both, this way, the elite will keep playing with the elite as with medium skilled players and the newbies will have their own corner. oh and as for the piracy, i also agree they will remove it but not entirely. reading 402′s post made it clear to me that these guys don’t know much about it. their new system will be easy to replicate and create pirated servers. i already know how and by who and if they don’t know this yet then they don’t looks as professionals to me anymore.

I really am finding it hard to believe they’re doing this. I was sooo excited about this game, because of Call of Duty 4 being so good on my PC, I played the 360 version as well and it just didn’t compare. Now I’m gonna get this and get shitty connection speeds, cos of where I live, this just sucks.

I’ll be honest, this was the first CoD game I was actually going to buy just so I could play it online with my clan.

i’m all for slapping the shit out of pirates who are connected to the net, sure. go for it. but vac works just FINE on TF2 WITH server lists.

If this goes through, it will be the end of multiplayer PC gaming as we know it, publishers will see MW2 as a matchmaking game and follow suit.

matchmaking is not an objective way of solving any problems pc gaming has, less players, less choice, less community, its LESS!

This isn’t the American health reform, you don’t see anyone holding up a placard that says “WE WANT LESS”

“any violence by a large population, is not because these people are any violent than any other, its a signal that something is wrong in the treatment of this population”