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PC version of Modern Warfare 2 does away with dedicated servers, upsets PC gamers

Monday, 19th October 2009 03:13 GMT By Nathan Grayson

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During a webcast with BASHandSlash, Infinity Ward’s Robert Bowling announced IWNet – a proprietary online match hosting system that does away with the muss and fuss of dedicated servers – to… crickets.

“The silence you hear is because we’ve got a community right now structured in such a way that it relied on having dedicated servers,” one of BASHandSlash’s moderators told Bowling.

Infinity Ward, of course, intends for IWNet to ring in a new era of accessibility for PC multiplayer games. The system allows players of the same rank and skill level to stick together, but:

“You’re completely reliant on IWNet and there is no dedicated server or server list. You rely on IWNet for matchmaking and your games, but you still have your private matches,” Bowling said.

So, how will modded maps fare under Infinity Ward’s new regime? “Better than ever,” unfortunately, wasn’t Bowling’s response.

I don’t have those answers yet,” he said.

Hey, where’d those crickets go? Now all we can hear is the sound of pitchforks wooshing upright and… are those torches? Hmmm. Weird.

Thanks, Kotaku.

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38 Comments

  1. dtyk

    Oh, can’t say anything? So after you rob and steal everything the modders are entitled to, piss everyone off, be a bunch of balls lickers, you got nothing to say? Fuck you IW.

    #1 5 years ago
  2. blackdreamhunk

    yea I know pc gamers are boycotting hardware companies that support consoles, big companies like AMD

    we are boycotting all actvision games. We really love blizzard but actvision gets half their income from pc gamers that support blizzard.

    boycotting COD is not enough because the game devs wouldn’t care. We boycott the tooles they work on maybe the message will get across.

    here is two links

    news up date actvision trying to Silences Community

    http://www.gamersnexus.net/component/content/article/47-newsfront1/221-iw-silences-community

    http://kotaku.com/5384290/dice-makes-hay-with-dedicated-server-controversy

    we now have 39 000 pc gamers please spread the word. hopefully we can get enough pc gamers to make an inpact with our dallor bills.

    something that big companies only under stand money!

    http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?dedis4mw

    #2 5 years ago
  3. blackdreamhunk

    here is the sorce

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2369799

    frankly I am sick of drm,lies,sick of gamestop etc basicly big companies treating pc gamers like dirt!

    So please spread the all over the world.WE need as meny pc gamers as we can to fight big comapnies.

    #3 5 years ago
  4. MushroomStamp

    boycotts never really happen. If a game rocks then, we gamers, want to play it, regardless of gaming politics. We adapt to whatever we are given even if we don’t like it… because in the end, we want the game.

    #4 5 years ago
  5. blackdreamhunk

    if that happens big comapnies will always take advantage of you and your money. They may even kill gaming it self.

    the small guys will always get steamed rolled by big companies.

    you only need to look at the stock market to see what big companies can do. Big companies pretty much killed the world encomy abd wall street.

    if the elite rich could they would love to make you their slave and milk you for what you got.

    #5 5 years ago
  6. MushroomStamp

    ummm.. yeah.. I agree.. but what does that have to do with wanting to play a videogame? I mean that same “thinking” is in EVERYTHING in life… To think I could make a difference would be naive… and I have better things to put my energies toward… Like slag’n some fool kid talkin shit because I just ran a 10-hit killstreak and it’s making him cry! now that’s some satisfaction I can make towards :)

    #6 5 years ago
  7. Morrius

    Fucking dolts. That’ll be me pirating it then, first pirated game ever! Woot!

    #7 5 years ago
  8. freedoms_stain

    Why can’t they have both?

    Server list and a match maker?

    Why do we keep seeing more and more console features on a platform that works better already?

    #8 5 years ago
  9. Hunam

    I like’d RPS’s tag of ‘the singular sound of a million facepalms in the distance’.

    Activision seems to be the host of silly decisions of late, no Starcraft LAN and now CoD servers, someone over there must be at least sane enough to point out that these decisions are clearly made by stupid people.

    #9 5 years ago
  10. Freek

    That seems like a bad situation for the mod scene, and there’s also a hint of subscription fee around the whole thing.

    If this takes off they’ll probably add mod support and other features that come as standard in the dedcated server scenario (clans having thier own server, custum settings, admin support) and then charge you money for it.
    With the rational being: third parties used to foot the bill for this sort of thing, but now IW has to pay.

    Why does IW want this? Full control over the game and the posibility to charge users money for it and/or add advertisement to the system.

    #10 5 years ago
  11. Whizzo

    Most bizarre decision for a games dev I can ever think of, sales of the PC version were never going to be that large in comparison to the console versions but this means they’ll probably be bugger all.

    Smooth move Activision/Infinity Ward you’ve well and truly shot yourselves in the foot.

    #11 5 years ago
  12. G1GAHURTZ

    There’s only one way to solve this!

    Lets all buy consoles!!!

    #12 5 years ago
  13. SunKing

    I sent this tip in a couple of days ago via e-mail. :S

    Anyway, this is all about Activision trying to keep control over what content is available in multiplayer and reducing piracy numbers. Too bad there won’t be a community there to buy all the DLC they’re bound to offload, since the sales of the game will be even worse than they were for the first MW.

    The worst thing? Bowling actually said the reasoning behind this was to make the game more “accessable” to the community. What a load of horseshit.

    #13 5 years ago
  14. G1GAHURTZ

    This must be a response to piracy. In which case, I blame the pirates.

    #14 5 years ago
  15. SunKing

    The thing is, I sympathise with their problem with piracy. Installing a draconian multiplayer infrastructure into their game is not the answer, though. If anything it will just give potential pirates more reason to download MW2.

    #15 5 years ago
  16. NiceFellow

    Sounds like we may be starting down the road to saying goodbye to free mods and open level editors and hello to paid DLC.

    It may be about piracy, also, but this smells of we’d rather people on Live paying for DLC and completely controlled vs free mods, etc. on PC and an open community.

    Hopefully that doesn’t sound paranoid, but I do see the rise of consoles for online gaming seriously impacting some of the best elements of PC gaming.

    #16 5 years ago
  17. G1GAHURTZ

    @ SunKing:

    Yeah, they can download it, but if they want to be able to play it online without problems, they’ll be forced to buy it, no?

    The thing is though, Probably 65-70% of Acti/IW’s profits from this game come from the 360, which is why they’ve only really been showing the game running on 360′s so far.

    The sad thing for PC gamers is that because of this, any boycotting is probably only going to be met with nonchalant shrug of the shoulders.

    #17 5 years ago
  18. SunKing

    I think it’s impossible to say for certain without hindsight, but this could be a watershed moment for online PC games, and especially FPSs in particular.

    @ G1GAHURTZ

    My theory is that some people may see a package that offers less than they were expecting, won’t be bothered with online now, and will pirate it just for the singleplayer experience. I think that you are right, though, that any boycotting will fall on deaf ears. The sales numbers I saw were so low compared to the 360, or even the PS3, that they almost have nothing to lose. To be honest, I don’t think they really give a shit about the PC audience at this point and are just paying them lip service.

    #18 5 years ago
  19. rainer

    LOL whats funny is the IW publicly dissed GFWL around the release of one of the CoD games on the PC when MS asked them would they like to use it and now they are essentially doing their own version.

    PC sales of CoD:MW probably only make up 5-10% at best of the total so I guess they are “streamlining” development.

    #19 5 years ago
  20. JonFE

    @rainer:

    Having their own version (as you say) basically gives them the power to do whatever they wish with it.

    Probably, the biggest fear people have is that they might start charging for the multiplayer privilege or kill it altogether when the next CoD is released.

    #20 5 years ago
  21. Dralen

    WTF! Well this has officially ruined my day.

    #21 5 years ago
  22. G1GAHURTZ

    The IW forums are a complete mess.

    They even had to post this:

    This is will be enforced:

    1. Piracy threads will not be tolerated: – If you feel so strongly about it then all I can say is please respectfully leave the forums. There is no stopping you if this is your choice.
    2. Repeat threads will be locked as usual: – Petitions, grief threads, and discussions have place but repeat topics do not. They will be locked and linked to the original or deleted. This is an effort to keep the boards clean. A priority we moderators have had since day one.
    3. Console users: – Refrain from going into PC threads and making intentional confrontational messages. One month to permanent bans will be handed out to all offenders.
    4. PC users: – Please do not feed trolls. One month to permanent bans will be handed out as well.

    That is notice and a reminder. Report all threads and posts as needed. Threads that turn into a power house of flaming will be removed. This is for the best efforts and intentions of the community. The cleaner things get discussed the easier it is to handle. Fact of life.

    Further clarification: This is in light of the recent news concerning the lack of dedicated servers as well as other issues that arose from the podcast. This thread has been edited to better reflect the situation

    #22 5 years ago
  23. endgame

    and after what G1GAHURTZ just posted what more can i say!? the number of comments on every site that posted this news is growing fast. most of the pc gamers are really upset about this. and they have the right to be. acti is taking away our freedom, and iw doesn’t do anything about this, if this wasn’t actually their idea after all. personally, i don’t think it’s because of piracy. not that it matters what i think anyway. hmm, u know, they could copy the quake live server model. even that would be better. the system gives u suggestions about what would be the best server for u but it doesn’t force u on any any of them. if id can do that than iw could do it as well. since they r not, it’s obvious that they don’t care about the players. and the ones who they hurt the most are hardcore players. i mean, i like to play with the elite (specific ppl and clans that i know) on elite servers. now i might end up with some fucking newbies!? why!? i always want to improve myself and this way i’m not going to. and let’s not get started about the possible bad server locations. oh and payed content.. after u ask 60$ for a pc game, can it get any worst!?

    ty for trying to kill the online pc gaming community iw but know that we will not go down so fast. we will pirate the game if we have to, we will find ways to alter the content and play online bypassing your code. u know we can do it. and u know we will do it if u treat us like that. remember that we are and always will be free players! and no one will tell us what or how to play a game.

    #23 5 years ago
  24. pracer

    Easy solution for PC gamers. Very easy, really. Buy a Xbox360(or a PS3 if you like.) Problem solved.

    #24 5 years ago
  25. Bagpuss-RoXx

    “The IW forums are a complete mess.

    They even had to post this:

    “This is will be enforced:

    1. Piracy threads will not be tolerated: – If you feel so strongly about it then all I can say is please respectfully leave the forums. There is no stopping you if this is your choice.
    2. Repeat threads will be locked as usual: – Petitions, grief threads, and discussions have place but repeat topics do not. They will be locked and linked to the original or deleted. This is an effort to keep the boards clean. A priority we moderators have had since day one.
    3. Console users: – Refrain from going into PC threads and making intentional confrontational messages. One month to permanent bans will be handed out to all offenders.
    4. PC users: – Please do not feed trolls. One month to permanent bans will be handed out as well.

    That is notice and a reminder. Report all threads and posts as needed. Threads that turn into a power house of flaming will be removed. This is for the best efforts and intentions of the community. The cleaner things get discussed the easier it is to handle. Fact of life.

    Further clarification: This is in light of the recent news concerning the lack of dedicated servers as well as other issues that arose from the podcast. This thread has been edited to better reflect the situation“

    it would have been quicker for them just to say

    “If you dont like it,Fuck you All…”

    #25 5 years ago
  26. Goliath

    Anyone else thinks IWNet is a tool to fight piracy. I’m thinking if you don’t have a retail copy of the game, you wont be able to log in to IWNet and play the game online.

    #26 5 years ago
  27. endgame

    we’re not going to buy a console. it would not resolve the problem. what kind of retard says that!? did u even know what the problem is!? fucking idiots.

    2nd. there r ppl that play pirated versions of mw1 on pirated servers and there will be ppl that will be playing pirated versions of mw2 on pirated mw2 servers. shit, u guys really don’t know anything about piracy. but this is not about piracy. if this would be about piracy then why take out the server list and modding tools as well. it doesn’t make any sense.

    #27 5 years ago
  28. freedoms_stain

    “Easy solution for PC gamers. Very easy, really. Buy a Xbox360(or a PS3 if you like.) Problem solved.”

    Then we’d have to play at lower resolution with less detail.

    No thanks.

    #28 5 years ago
  29. Hunam

    If PC gamers boycotted hardware companies that make console hardware we’d actually have nothing at all to buy. BDH just makes this shit up as he’s typing it.

    This is seriously bullshit though. As opposed to pracers comment really, if I wanted a console experience I’d buy the game on the 360, but I don’t hence why I wanted it for the PC.

    Decided to just cut the bullshit and get borderlands instead.

    #29 5 years ago
  30. Uncontested

    Thanks IW you douche bags, you lost a customer with this last minute crock of shit bs.

    #30 5 years ago
  31. Michael O'Connor

    “we are boycotting all actvision games.”

    Sales of Activision games would argue that “you” are failing in your mission, in that case.

    #31 5 years ago
  32. blackdreamhunk

    I hope hacker declaer war on consoles. I think their fit to get a virous.

    #32 5 years ago
  33. Michael O'Connor

    I repeat.

    ““we are boycotting all actvision games.”

    Sales of Activision games would argue that “you” are failing in your mission, in that case.

    #33 5 years ago
  34. Michael O'Connor

    “I hope hackers declare war on consoles. I think they’re fit to get a virus.”

    For someone who claims to be such an expert on PC games, I’m amazed at how you could even think that’s possible. All three consoles use closed off services and systems, and don’t allowed executable to be run that they haven’t authorised.

    Unless you hack your machine personally, it’s completely impossible to implant a virus on a console.

    Seriously, at this rate I’m starting to believe it’s completely impossible for you to be the genuine article, and your only purpose is deliberate trolling.

    Tell Shatner we said hi. *wink*

    #34 5 years ago
  35. blackdreamhunk

    didn’t you hear hackers have already hacked consoles. even the new brick system. By the way there was anarticle all over ng4 about it.

    http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3842751/Hackers+Target+Xbox+Live.htm

    lets take a look at what EA had to say about the future consoles is right bow.

    http://uk.games.ign.com/articles/103/1036254p1.html

    #35 5 years ago
  36. Michael O'Connor

    There’s a difference between hacking a machine and implanting a virus on other people’s computers, which is what you were talking about. Way to avoid the point… as usually.

    Also, convincing someone to hand over their passwords through social engineering is not “hacking”. Whoever wrote that article is an idiot. Anyone stupid enough to give their password out deserves to get their account stolen.

    #36 5 years ago
  37. blackdreamhunk

    both work well, you better prey that hackers don’t ever declare war on consoles. I can see it happening. there will be very little sony or microsft can do if it ever happens. From what I have seen from links it has already started.

    #37 5 years ago
  38. Michael O'Connor

    Dear god you’re an idiot…

    #38 5 years ago

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