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Nintendo has “to do what Sony and Microsoft have been doing” with new consoles – Bethesda boss

Tuesday, 3rd September 2013 00:54 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Straight-shooting Bethesda executive Pete Hines has said that Nintendo didn’t get third-parties involved with the Wii U early enough, as Microsoft and Sony did with their own consoles.

In an episode of GameTrailers’ Bonus Round transcribed by Gimme Gimme Games, Hines addressed the question of why third-parties like Bethesda haven’t thrown their support behind the Wii U.

“The time for convincing publishers and developers to support Wii U has long past. The box is out,” he said.

“You have to do what Sony and Microsoft have been doing with us for a long time and it’s not that every time we met with them we got all the answers we wanted.

“But they involved us very early on, and talking to folks like Bethesda and Gearbox, they say ‘here’s what we’re doing, here’s what we’re planning, here’s how we think it’s going to work’ to hear what we thought – from our tech guys and from an experience standpoint.”

Hines said platform holders need to “spend an unbelievable amount of time upfront” talking with developers so that a given piece of hardware meets the needs of content producers – or they just won’t be interested.

“If you’re just going sort off deciding ‘we’re going to make a box and this is how it works and you should make games for it.’ Well, no. No is my answer,” he said.

“I’m going to focus on other ones that better support what it is we’re trying to do. So you’ve gotta spend more time trying to reach out to those folks before you even make the box, when you’re still designing and thinking about how it’s going to work.”

Bethesda has said repeatedly that it currently has no plans to develop games for the Wii U. Hines said recently that the company’s reluctance to engage with the console is “largely a hardware thing“.

Both Microsoft andSony have drawn praise from various developers, first and third-party, for consulting with them prior to moving forward with the PS4 and Xbox One, both of which are due in November. Bethesda has games lined up for both systems, including The Evil Within and Wolfenstein: The New Order, as well as The Elder Scrolls Online, which is not coming to current-gen consoles at all.

Thanks, Lengendaryboss.

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82 Comments

  1. monkeygourmet

    Skyrim on PS3…

    #1 11 months ago
  2. Dark

    “The time for convincing publishers and developers to support Wii U has long past. The box is out,”

    this.

    Nintendo is one to blame for the weak 3rd party support.

    #2 11 months ago
  3. absolutezero

    Prey 2

    #3 11 months ago
  4. monkeygourmet

    @2

    I know… It’s not like Nintendo atall?!

    #4 11 months ago
  5. Animeboy413

    Credit to Lengendaryboss 0_o

    #5 11 months ago
  6. Animeboy413

    Wii U will be Nintendo’s own downfall just like Gamecube

    #6 11 months ago
  7. monkeygourmet

    @6

    What, the console they release before the next one smashes it? I’m glad you have so much faith!

    #7 11 months ago
  8. Brenna Hillier

    @5 Lengendaryboss is a great tipster. So are Units, Dragon246, Dark, SplatteredHouse, DSB, and monkeygourmet. Probably a few others too; this is just off the top of my head.

    If you post a suggestion in our news suggestion thread before we see it elsewhere, and we decide to run it, you get credit. Not sure why you find this mysterious.

    #8 11 months ago
  9. ianbenoir

    lets face it… wii u is like a iphone 4s…Its just a mid-gen console.

    They can release a new console in a 4-year time to get back to the buzz, exactly when ps4 and xbox one get at its high and make them look old gen.
    PS: I’m not a Nintendo fan at all. That just makes sense.

    #9 11 months ago
  10. AHB

    “Hines addressed the question of why third-parties like Bethesda haven’t thrown their support behind the Wii U. “The time for convincing publishers and developers to support Wii U has long past. The box is out,” he said.”

    Says the company that has published all of 8 games for Nintendo systems in its 27-year history, the 3 of which that were internally developed all being NES games.

    It’s painfully obvious that Bethesda is just shit-talking and would never have supported the Wii U in the first place, no matter what the system ended up being. And yet game sites are treating this as newsworthy. MODERN GAMES JOURNALISM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

    Not even fanboying here; Nintendo dropped the ball hard with the Wii U.

    #10 11 months ago
  11. polygem

    bethesda games would NEVER get the nintendo seal of quality :)

    i don’t want a nintendo that plays sony and ms.

    i think they are doing exactly the right thing. improving things in their own pace. never dropping the ball by doing so. never sell out on easy shortsigthed cash ins.

    it’ll work out for them in the long run. always did.

    if the atlus and/or platinum games deal rumours are right, it woud be a good next step in the right direction.

    then they have to fix the nintendo id account issue.

    bring 3ds online more by implementing ninty id and miiverse.

    look for a few interesting third party titles.

    keep bringing great exclusives.

    focus a little more on third party support with the next machine then…maybe.

    #11 11 months ago
  12. monkeygourmet

    Also, this is bullshit.

    Bethesda don’t really make online games (apart from Skyrim MMORPG)

    There is nothing the 360 / PS4 can do that the Wii U can’t, it’s all about install base.

    In fact, Skyrim would easily work perfectly on Wii U.

    #12 11 months ago
  13. fihar

    @11
    Seriously, have you been living under a rock?
    No Nintendo consoles since the SNES has ever been successful other than the Wii and you want to know why?

    Let me give you a timeline.
    “Oh, everybody’s going to use discs now? Doesn’t matter, the cartridge is far superior.” N64 sold considerably less than the PS1.
    “Oh, they’re moving to DVDs and online support now? Doesn’t matter, the miniDVD is more than enough and cheap prices should help us.” GameCube bombed.
    “Oh, they’re using HD graphics and extensive online infrastructure this time around? Doesn’t matter, cheap price and motion control should work in our favor.” Luckily for them, the Wii hit a sweet spot but software support is still lacking as usual and it didn’t exactly work in the long run.

    Notice the pattern? What Nintendo is doing isn’t going to work on the long run. Remember Resident Evil Zero, RE4, and Twin Snakes? Fat lot of good it did the GameCube ain’t it?
    No amount of quality first-party titles and exclusivity deals is going to help them, that is a fact that has been proven during the N64 and GameCube era.
    At some point they’re going to realize that being quirky isn’t helping and they’re going to have to whore themselves out to third-party developers eventually and to finally stand in equal footing with the rest of the field. That’s if they ever wanted to reclaim the market share they had with the SNES. I have a nagging suspicion that they just don’t care however.

    Nintendo is doing completely fine this way, but you’re deluding yourself if you think that the Wii-U will have any chance of going against the PS4 or the X1 2-3 years from now.
    To put it into perspective, PS4 and X1 is the two politician from their respective major parties, Sony and Microsoft, running for election and Nintendo Wii-U is the sole independent candidate.
    It was never going to work in Nintendo’s favor.

    #13 11 months ago
  14. polygem

    @fihar. nintendo must not become another ms or sony in order to be successful. they have the 3ds and the wiiu. they can and should work on bringing these devices together more. improve their online. miiverse was a great start but it’s not enough. it needs to be on 3ds as well for example. then bring some exclusive deals like bayonetta 2, w101. even if these are not the cash cows, what they do is giving the brand credibility.
    then let the nintendo first party games coming and focus on some third party heavy hitters like cod, watchdogs etc. push indies more. keep the 3ds line up strong.
    do that with the current gen nintendo mashines.
    make nintendo gaming, old school yet modern, diverse and different than the competition.
    it’s a much much better strategy than trying to be just another competitor who does samesame.
    remember. if wiiu would have been a device specwise, like the one or ps4, it would have had no chance at all to ship with that unique gamepad as well for a competitive price.
    nintendo has a different strategy. it’s obvious. i really really like that. makes gaming more interesting and fun.
    that’s why i absolutely cannot understand all the gamers that demand that nintendo should just become another highend tech company.
    it would be the least thing i wanted them to do.

    #14 11 months ago
  15. viralshag

    @14, So basically, have more third party games (like Sony and MS), improve their online capabilities (like Sony and MS), have more exclusives outside of their known franchises (like Sony and MS)…

    I would love to know what this “different” and “obvious” strategy is because right know I can’t say lackluster third party support, poor sales and a general lack of interest in the console and games is much of a strategy at all.

    #15 11 months ago
  16. fihar

    @14
    Let me ask you this then, which do you think people would choose, to play those so called heavy-hitters on the Wii-U or on the PS4/X1?

    We’re not talking about Nintendo’s handheld business here or their financial position as a whole, we’re talking about the Wii-U.
    I agree that it’s nice for Nintendo to offer some diversity at the very least but like what has been proven time and time again, the mainstream will always win, saleswise.

    If you want Nintendo to stay as they are, you’re welcome to do so but there’s absolutely no chance they’re going to be in equal footing with the PS4 and the X1 2 years from now.
    It’s not about what direction I want Nintendo to take, I was merely giving an observation about the state Nintendo has been in from the late 90′s.

    #16 11 months ago
  17. polygem

    @15….?….a freaking gamepad that ships with the homeconsole and a completely new take on online social….for example.

    what they did there was great. they now must improve on what they have, like i said in my post.

    i think it’s still way too early to call the wiiu dead.

    the bundles, pricedrop, games are coming right now.

    a friend of mine just told me yesterday that he is very interested in the zelda bundle because he never played ww, thought wwhd looked amazing (i agree with that), he wants to play rayman coop with his wife (one and only game she plays and loves is animal crossing).

    wiiu is shaping up to become a console everyone can enjoy and find content on. a console for truly everyone in the family. not the hcgamers precious toy noone is allowed to ever touch without a written and stamped permission of the owner. just a fun device to play games alone and together…that’s the basic concept. if the price will drop. if great couch coop games keep coming like rayman and probably mk8, if interesting second party or third party exclusives keep coming as well as the nintendo heavy hitters and some mainstream third party cash cows. if they keep pushing indies (indie games have a front spot in the eshop, same space as nintendos own games btw)….then wiiu can still become a success in the next 4 years. then they can focus on what they’ve established. focus on what worked to shape the next thing.

    3ds and wiiu need better interaction. that’s their main task this gen imho and this needs to be pushed for their next device/s.

    for the next nintendo gen, maybe it’s indeed time for a nintendo homeconsole/portable hybrid that og predicts for a good while now. would make perfect sense.

    #17 11 months ago
  18. viralshag

    @17, That’s not really a strategy though. It’s just an additional peripheral, not much different to the XB1 shipping with the Kinect. Plus, it’s not exactly been supported very strongly, even by Nintendo it seems, so if anything I would say it’s another weak aspect of their WiiU “strategy”.

    You keep making these jabs at the hardcore gamers and that “dudebro game” nonsense and I really don’t understand why? You own a WiiU and you have BOTH next-gen consoles on pre-order, so how are WiiU owners any different to any other console owner?

    #18 11 months ago
  19. polygem

    again. miiverse. totally new take on social online. you need the pad for it. couch coop: everyone having their own screen is a killer. pad. off tv play, let’s other family members use the tv while you are playing a wiiu game or surf the web, or draw something on the art academy sketch app, or post on miiverse or whatever…on the pad. the touchpad is used a lot.

    there’s nothing wrong with the hc gamers. i only have a problem with hc gamers wanting nintendo to become just like their psboxes and think that’s the only true way to go in this business.
    like you said, i have all the consoles. i know first hand that nintendos take feels very unique and different. i know for example that my girlfriend isn’t even slightly interested in the ps or xbox but loved coop mario galaxy, now rayman, even gets on my nerves with it because she wants to play more than me, plays animal crossing on several days a week while actually being a complete non gamer before for her whole life. her interest started when i bought a wii – late by the way – in 2011 (i’m such a ninty fanboy right ;) because i was one of those refusing to scratch the surface a little bit. well, i am very glad that i did.

    wiiu is different because it is much more accessible and it really is for all different kinds of gamers. that’s the main difference. you can see that diversity on miiverse too, very mixed crowd.

    #19 11 months ago
  20. Lengendaryboss

    @Fihar and Viralshag
    Covered what i was going to say.

    I’m not sure why anyone thinks Nintendo not having third party support is a good thing, this whole being different doesn’t make sense.

    #20 11 months ago
  21. polygem

    sure it does. if the console market is shared by mainly 3 equally successful competitors it makes a lot of sense to follow a different strategy than the other 2. don’t know why you guys think that’s a problem. nintendo has been extremely successful with that approach.

    look, there are third party games on the wiiu but those are not the focus and they will never be. by design, by strategy…it is not the focus. simple as that.
    wiiu is aimed at gamers that want to play nintendo games, that want a unique control scheme, want to enjoy couch coop with the family and maybe play a mainstream fps game here or there.

    the competition has the focus exactly the other way around.

    …and that’s fine.

    for the so called hc gamer that probably wont be enough to be the stand alone only console to own, but then imo you cannot call yourself a hardcore games enthusiast and then only own one console anyway.

    #21 11 months ago
  22. viralshag

    I’m pretty sure there’s more than 4 million Nintendo fans out there so the question has to be asked, what are they waiting for?

    Amazing that we’re told if we want to support PG then we should “just buy a WiiU” to play two games when it seems Nintendo “fans” aren’t even buying the console, even though they’re the ones it’s supposedly aimed at…

    #22 11 months ago
  23. Fin

    Fuckin’ hell, it’s amazing Nintendo didn’t consult any third parties when developing Wii U.

    #23 11 months ago
  24. Lengendaryboss

    @Polygem
    “look, there are third party games on the wiiu but those are not the focus and they will never be. by design, by strategy…it is not the focus. simple as that.”

    Compared to the competition it is lacking, more so in 2014.
    You don’t see a problem with that? You don’t see a problem with Nintendo not having third parties as a focus. like i said before it doesn’t make sense, it doesn’t even make good business sense in fact how is having less games by them even remotely a good thing? In fact they should just ban third parties considering they are not the focus.

    “wiiu is aimed at gamers that want to play nintendo games, that want a unique control scheme, want to enjoy couch coop with the family and maybe play a mainstream fps game here or there.”

    Then what Iwata said here seems to be in vain:
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-05-01-iwata-wii-u-3ds-will-cater-to-core-gamers-first-mass-market-second

    #24 11 months ago
  25. polygem

    look, i just found this article. it’s great. it actually nails it and says it better than i ever could.

    http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/09/02/nintendo-vs-modernism

    #25 11 months ago
  26. viralshag

    I don’t even know why people try to bother discussing Nintendo on this site, it’s like talking to a brick wall.

    Who the fuck is even talking about their games? The whole discussion here has been about the console and third parties.

    Is it SO difficult to imagine a Nintendo console on par power wise that can play true next gen titles AND classic Nintendo titles?

    #26 11 months ago
  27. Joe Musashi

    @20 “…this whole being different doesn’t make sense.”

    In some cases, as the Wii showed, it can pay off very well. But being different for the sake of it is a short-sighted strategy.

    JM

    #27 11 months ago
  28. polygem

    well viral, i think i just discussed the topic here. what i write is my opinion, has nothing to do with me being a brickhead. i love the current nintendo systems and the next gen of sony’s and ms’s machines do not excite me yet. yes, that’s how it is…is that forbidden? somehow?
    it’s not that i do not have aything positive to say about non nintendo games, that’s just not how it is. if you’d follow my posts you should know that.
    i think my arguments made sense. you can disagree but i still don’t think i have been talking out of my ass here.i made my point clear and stand by it.

    #28 11 months ago
  29. polygem

    @viral:
    “Is it SO difficult to imagine a Nintendo console on par power wise that can play true next gen titles AND classic Nintendo titles?”

    polygem:
    “remember. if wiiu would have been a device specwise, like the one or ps4, it would have had no chance at all to ship with that unique gamepad as well for a competitive price.”

    different business strategy…

    #29 11 months ago
  30. viralshag

    @Poly, The launch price for the WiiU deluxe was $50 cheaper than the PS4 and that’s for a significantly less powerful machine.

    You’re telling me that they couldn’t up the specs, bundle a pro pad and made the main pad optional? Because personally that sounds a lot more tempting than what’s on offer.

    They were either knowingly trying to scam people or simply misjudged the market and competition completely. They may not be competing with Sony and MS in terms of games but they’re still going after the same wallets and space under the TV.

    You can talk about this “different business strategy” until the cows come home but the bottom line is IT IS NOT WORKING. Different does not always mean good. If it turns around it won’t be because of some grand plan, it will be because it’s cheap enough to be considered an impulse purchase for a bit of spare cash. That to me does not resonate “success”.

    #30 11 months ago
  31. polygem

    first of all 50 dollar are 50 dollar. second, an optional gamepad just wouldn’t be the same strategy.

    i also wouldn’t write the wiiu off just yet.
    games, pricedrop…it’s all coming now.

    IF in the long run, nintendo want to indeed focus on a hybrid console with their next gen, the wiiu will make all sorts of sense.
    it will pave the way for something like that.

    i’ve always thought of nintendo as a company that isn’t short sighted. they plan their business strategy pretty good.

    we’ll see how all this will turn out. imho the wiiu is a great experience. they must do a better job to spread that message, i agree…but i do not think third party should be a focus. it should have it’s share but nope, doesn’t need to be the focus.

    #31 11 months ago
  32. fihar

    @poly
    That IGN article has absolutely no relation to the point that I was trying to raise.
    I’m not talking about the relevance Nintendo has in the industry or whatever it is their vision going forward.
    I’m talking about the cold, hard, boring, tedious, cynical, facts.

    Market share.

    With they way things are right now, the Wii-U could never hope of gaining the same market share the PS4 and the X1 will eventually gain and no amount of quality first-party titles and exclusivity deals is going to change that.

    I appreciate what Nintendo is doing and it’s nice to have a company that could still create something that’s simply pure, unadulterated fun but thinking that these things alone is enough for them to beat the PS4/X1 in a straight fight is plain naive.
    At the very least, Nintendo could claim the moral victory.

    #32 11 months ago
  33. polygem

    like the article said…IF you think this is a race, sure, but you can, and should look at the bigger picture.

    i never said that i believe they’ll “beat” them. they don’t have to but they can still be successful.

    but again, we also don’t know the future. i wont count wiiu out just yet.

    #33 11 months ago
  34. Joe Musashi

    What is this bigger picture of Nintendo’s then? What is their master plan? What subtle machinations have been at work since November 2012 that are to bear fruit in Nintendo’s, the Wii U and in gamer’s futures?

    The implicit suggestion is that criticsm of their current strategy must be borne of ignorance of this over-arching ‘bigger picture’.

    It would be nice if said supporters of this bigger picture would divulge its details so that those who clearly don’t know what Nintendo’s long-term plan is (such as myself) could be educated and get a glimpse of this bigger picture that only one or two gamers appear to know the specifics of.

    JM

    #34 11 months ago
  35. fihar

    @33
    “and should look at the bigger picture”
    That Nintendo is to the Video Games industry what Vinyls is to the music industry?
    A niche, yet admittedly superior, product that will only be enjoyed by either a select number of people who actually gives a damn and/or (mostly)snobs?

    I’m sorry, but that IGN article just smells of gaming snobs to me. Felt like the writer just decided to copy an entire Pitchfork article and replace the word “Radiohead” with “Nintendo”.

    By the way, you don’t need to be able to see into the future to know what the Wii-U’s fate will roughly be, just look at the N64 and the GameCube.

    #35 11 months ago
  36. Dragon246

    @fihar, JM,
    +100
    Completely nails it.
    There is only one bigger picture, that is, more profit and revenue. Ninty is failing in both regards.
    And when that happens, well, just look at Nokia.

    #36 11 months ago
  37. polygem

    i never said you can’t criticize nintendo. i do that myself a lot. of course you can disagree with what i said. that’s the whole point of a discussion or not? isn’t that what we’re having here, joe? i thought so. i only posted my point of view. nothing else. my true feelings (picked that word just for joe) about this. you can disagree with my opinion as much as you want. no problem at all. of course you can.

    i already posted what i believe the bigger picture could be.

    #37 11 months ago
  38. Joe Musashi

    I never claimed you said people couldn’t criticise Nintendo. You’ve pulled that out of thin air in order to dispute it.

    You implied that, in their criticism, others were not taking the ‘bigger picture’ into account. And that, if they did, then this broadened view would affect their perspective.

    In doing so you’ve implied that you happen to take this ‘bigger picture’ into account and so have a better viewpoint upon which to assess Nintendo’s present day strategies and direction.

    I made a very simple request: Please provide details on this ‘bigger picture’ that you are taking into account that others are not. I have not been able to fathom it out in your previous comments.

    It’s not a very difficult request. Leave the personal remarks out of it. Simply provide details on this ‘bigger picture’ that you recommended others consider in your comment #33. You will be helping other gamers better understand Nintendo’s position and strategies in doing so.

    JM

    EDIT: I also note that you’ve changed your objective reference in #33 (“the bigger picture”) to a subjective one in #37 (“what I believe the bigger picture to be”).

    #38 11 months ago
  39. polygem

    @38. all i have to say is up there in my previous posts. i think i made my point pretty clear already. again, i am not claiming to be correct about this. it’s just my point of view. you implied that i pretended to have some insider knowlege. i don’t.
    all i do is reflecting about gaming and posting my thoughts here.

    #39 11 months ago
  40. polygem

    @36

    “There is only one bigger picture, that is, more profit and revenue. Ninty is failing in both regards”

    read that article

    #40 11 months ago
  41. Joe Musashi

    So, after asking twice for information and clarity you refuse to provide it.

    And you implied authority when you dismissed another’s opinion of Nintendo’s strategy based on not seeing ‘the bigger picture’ with an objective reference rather than a subjective one.

    My request is very simple. All you’d need to do is copy and paste if the information is already posted. You’re willing to make multiple replies and even to copy and paste text from others (as in your comment above this one) but not copy some other text that would be both on-topic and broaden understanding? Why not? It comes across as very evasive.

    JM

    #41 11 months ago
  42. polygem

    are you joking? why shoud i copy and paste my own comments from the same thread? just read them where i posted them. what’s evasive about it? it’s just plain stupid to say that.
    i am not your little fifi, doing some tricks joe.

    #42 11 months ago
  43. Joe Musashi

    OK. So you copy and paste text when it suits you to make comments at others (#40) but, when it could be used to illustrate your point, broaden understanding and stay entirely on topic you repeatedly refuse to do. Even though you make multiple replies to keep on refusing.

    Got it.

    You could even simply reference the post numbers that illustrate your point. Post #36 shows you’re happy to do this when it suits you. Would you kindly mention the post numbers that clarify your ‘bigger picture’ understanding of Nintendo’s strategy and direction? I’m really not asking for very much.

    JM

    #43 11 months ago
  44. Lengendaryboss

    Holy hell i don’t have popcorn is it worth the trip?

    #44 11 months ago
  45. polygem

    i a m n o t y o u r f i f i
    i wont jump when you say so. you know my point. i know that, you know that.
    play your little ego war ping pong games with yourself joe. this has nothing to do with the topic or with a discussion about games anymore.

    #45 11 months ago
  46. Professor Zoom

    Nintendo isn’t the same company anymore, it’s better for them to just turn third party like Sega and Atari did, if they have such a hard time getting third party help or accepting that they have to compete with other companies, and don’t tell me their experience is different and that’s gonna make people select it in addition with a PS4 or XB1, because motion control and two-screens are already something that’s available on next gen and last gen consoles and Mario world, Windwaker and Donkey Country are all something that’s already available on other consoles and in much lower prices, so Nintendo really have to struggle this fall in order to sell consoles and the line up is much weaker than the Gamecube had and that was a very good console.

    #46 11 months ago
  47. Joe Musashi

    I am asking you to clarify a point that is on topic, relevant to gaming and Nintendo focussed. If you did so then I (and perhaps others) would have a better understanding of Nintendo’s strategy and direction.

    My simple request really couldn’t be more about games and gaming discussion. It would be even more about games and gaming discussion if you cared to participate.

    JM

    #47 11 months ago
  48. polygem

    i have already clarified my point in my previous posts. i told you that already.

    #48 11 months ago
  49. Joe Musashi

    Actually, you have repeatedly steadfastly refused to clarify anything.

    You could simply quote the comment numbers.

    But I think you’ve made it clear that you have no interest in clarifying these details on the ‘bigger picture’ or in engaging in discussion about games and Nintendo – despite your many replies in this comment-thread. :(

    JM

    #49 11 months ago
  50. Lengendaryboss

    @Polygem
    “Fifi”? Help me out there?

    #50 11 months ago
  51. polygem

    @50

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130323185761/disney/images/5/59/Fifi.jpg&imgrefurl=http://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Fifi_the_Peke&usg=__sVZ45e6uRLlHk9ADcHHiDbAGxVg=&h=222&w=300&sz=54&hl=de&start=3&zoom=1&tbnid=TO-lQAEKrBRFsM:&tbnh=86&tbnw=116&ei=ilQmUpuRFYKPtAa2ioDAAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dfifi%2Bdog%26hl%3Dde%26gbv%3D2%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&sa=X&ved=0CDAQrQMwAg

    #51 11 months ago
  52. sebastien rivas

    Being a 1 man show with 1st party games, why not. It is a quintescence to being “unique”.

    However, a firm fist about how games should be, should look, and strongly dedicated to a niche of audiences and you shoot yourself in the foot so hard in terms of sells.

    Not only do you secclude yourself from gamers but also being around existing competitors whigh I could assume are more open minded developpers then you make yourself marginal. Seccluded, marginal, are not 2 words in the gamers’ dictionnary.

    Nintendo learnt it, I am sure are trying to find ways to salvage or better turn the tide.

    #52 11 months ago
  53. polygem

    i only made clear that i don’t want to play ego ping pong with you joe.

    #53 11 months ago
  54. Joe Musashi

    Curious.

    Offering clarity (googling, providing links to off-site information) on non-gaming statements but refuses to clarify information about gaming that would take far less effort because it is, apparently, on the same page.

    Also, I’m pretty certain I ever called you ‘Fifi’. You appear to have labelled yourself. Obviously, if you’d care to point out/quote/reference the post where I did then that’d be useful.

    Or you could, perhaps, outline this Nintendo ‘bigger picture’ that others are unable to see. Yes?

    … i don’t want to play ego ping pong

    Nobody but you is bringing ego into this.

    I’ve repeatedly made the same simple, polite request and you’ve gone to considerable effort to tell me you won’t make the effort to clarify something gaming related that might offer me some insight.

    It would be far swifter and far less effort to simply mention the comment numbers that clarify this ‘bigger picture’ you refer to because I’ve been unable to see it. I’d like to see it. I’ve asked you to show it to me – as it appears to drive a lot of your views on Nintendo. But you refuse to be co-operative.

    Instead of ping-ponging many replies back and forth, you could simply help a fellow gamer understand what this ‘bigger picture’ is by providing some simple clarification. It’d be more on-topic than the last dozen or so comments too.

    JM

    #54 11 months ago
  55. Lengendaryboss

    @51
    Okay dokey then.

    #55 11 months ago
  56. polygem

    “(…)that would take far less effort because it is, apparently, on the same page.”

    just like my previous posts…so hard to just read them at the place they have been originally posted? i don’t think so.
    like i said. i have nothing to add to them or to clarify any further. i did that already. if what i’ve said already isn’t enough for you i cannot help you. i have nothing more to say about this. that’s not evasive. i just can’t help you.

    but shit, i am playing ping pong.

    #56 11 months ago
  57. Joe Musashi

    Lengendaryboss. You seem to have good eyes. Would you be willing to point out where this clarification of Nintendo’s ‘bigger picture’ is that Polygem insists is in this discussion but refuses to specify?

    Or, for that matter, anyone who can read this discussion. Could you point out where polygem’s Nintendo ‘bigger picture’ reference is clarified?

    JM

    #57 11 months ago
  58. polygem

    really that lazy?

    #58 11 months ago
  59. Lengendaryboss

    @57
    I think he touched on it pre @21 but never referred to it as the bigger picture, he said the IGN article mentioned something about the bigger picture. But i’m not sure what it is haven’t looked at the link yet.

    So in general I don’t know what the bigger picture is.

    #59 11 months ago
  60. Joe Musashi

    Thanks Lengendaryboss – that didn’t take you very long.

    I must say, I’m still not seeing how that ties into this so called ‘bigger picture’.

    That IGN article is an opinion piece written by a freelancer though. So, objectively, it’s not insight into Nintendo’s strategy – just a personal interpretation of events so far and speculation of what may lie ahead. It’s not something that could be considered authoritative. Opinion vs opinion can’t/shouldn’t be used to dismiss other’s views.

    I guess one person knows what they meant. But they won’t offer the clarification that’d help me (and, it seems, others) understand better.

    JM

    #60 11 months ago
  61. polygem

    now finally you could drop your line joe. congratulation.

    all this is opinion. thoughts. i said that. you just didn’t read it.

    #61 11 months ago
  62. pcbros

    I just have one question… do you really want THREE consoles with line-ups that are about 85% identical? I don’t. I have a hard enough time deciding between a PS or Xbox…

    I don’t mind more third-party support (the Wii U needs it), but these developers need to start creating exclusive games (not timed exclusives or content).

    If you own a $400 PS4 are you really going to pay $500 for a Xbox One just to play a few exclusive games (or vice versa)? Unless you got money to burn, I doubt it.

    I personally have no desire to see Nintendo enter the rat race Microsoft and Sony are in.

    #62 11 months ago
  63. polygem

    i think now’s the time to quote from the same thread.

    “#39polygem
    03/09/13, 10:00 pm
    @38. all i have to say is up there in my previous posts. i think i made my point pretty clear already. again, i am not claiming to be correct about this. it’s just my point of view. you implied that i pretended to have some insider knowlege. i don’t.
    all i do is reflecting about gaming and posting my thoughts here.”

    “#60Joe Musashi
    03/09/13, 10:54 pm
    Thanks Lengendaryboss – that didn’t take you very long.

    I must say, I’m still not seeing how that ties into this so called ‘bigger picture’.

    That IGN article is an opinion piece written by a freelancer though. So, objectively, it’s not insight into Nintendo’s strategy – just a personal interpretation of events so far and speculation of what may lie ahead. It’s not something that could be considered authoritative. Opinion vs opinion can’t/shouldn’t be used to dismiss other’s views.

    I guess one person knows what they meant. But they won’t offer the clarification that’d help me (and, it seems, others) understand better.

    JM”

    i think it’s clear. everything between #39 and #60 was only a ping pong game. joe started the match and fucked up at his last ball.

    i never dismissed other views. just shared opinions and i said that.

    #63 11 months ago
  64. polygem

    @62. i’m totally with you.

    i don’t want to keep discussing this though. it’s late.
    joe, i think you are a dick but no hate, this is just about games :)
    good night everyone.

    #64 11 months ago
  65. Joe Musashi

    No. As I pointed out (perhaps you didn’t read it) your dismissal of another’s criticism of Nintendo was presented as an objective statement “The bigger picture”. Asserting there was something more heavyweight than opinion to your dismissal and therefore carried more weight than the mere opnion of the person critical of Nintendo that you were addressing.

    It is abundantly apparent that you were dressing up your opinion (of another’s opinion – the IGN freelancer) as a more authoritative ‘bigger picture’ – neatly suggesting a reference to Nintendo’s own strategies.

    You were content for this to be interprested this way and silence the view of another person’s take on Nintendo’s strategies. You only introduced “what I believe to be” – the subjective refernce – hours later when I asked you for clarification. Which you have spent a lot of time and effort twisting and turning and evading.

    Dismissing the views of another is not the same as addressing them with counterpoints. Dismissals, however you try to dress them up boil down to nothing more than “La la la I can’t hear you!”

    No matter whether you pretend your dismissal is based on something authoratative (as you were happy to assert implicitly) or whether you later admit it was just your opinion.

    I wanted to understand this ‘bigger picture’. But it appears there is no information on the ‘bigger picture’ to be had. Nothing that has a shred of meaning or weight anyway.

    Dismissing the views of others (which I note happens frequently when such views are ones that are critical of Nintendo) actively stifles discussion and shows an intolerance to alternative views.

    You’re welcome to spin your behaviour in whatever manner you think disproves any of the above. But it is all in black and white on the pages above.

    I will be happy to provide post numbers and clarification if you have trouble understanding. It’s the least I can do.

    JM

    PS: It would be ever so nice if, before executing any snarky, personal replies, you afford me the same allowances and freedom of expression that you have expected others to afford you. And, perhaps you could extend that courtesy to all other members of the community. Even those whose opinions differ from your own.

    PPS: @63 No ping pong. I asked you a very simple question. You immediately responded with personal remarks and a refusal to co-operate. If you would have been decent enough to answer a simple question rather than volley refusals and excuses over and over then this would have been cleared up very quickly. Your refusal to be co-operative is what has driven this. Look how quickly you can co-operate with others – such as Lengendary Boss. Or how quickly he can co-operate with me. The only one being unco-operative has been you. If you would like me to point out every instance of you being un-cooperative I will be happy to. Just ask! (it’s better to ask than to make lots of accusations based on bias and assumption).

    @64 An insult and a bit more spin! How noble of you. If it was about games as you claim then you would be happy to talk on that topic instead of making so many posts avoiding gaming discussion.

    #65 11 months ago
  66. pcbros

    @64 – Peace out homie!

    #66 11 months ago
  67. darthroseman

    You would think, with Bethesda getting to work with these systems early and all, their games wouldn’t all be so cripplingly and laughably broken at launch.

    And I agree with the dude who said why would you buy two systems with 85% the same games? If you have an XB1 or a PS4, if you are going to get a second system, wouldn’t it likely be the Wii U, for something different than $400-500 for more of the same? Makes sense to me.

    Also, you guys are on here WAAAAAY too much.

    #67 11 months ago
  68. pcbros

    @67 – Nintendo just has to manage their niche market. That means bringing their AAA games and getting quality titles like The Wonderful 101.

    By the way, X (I’m assuming the sequel to Xenoblade Chronicles) is looking great and will surely move a lot of gamers to buy a Wii U.

    The nice thing about Nintendo games is that you never hear people complaining… “Mario isn’t running full 1080p at 60fps!”. Nintendo gamers play games because they are fun, not for their graphical accomplishments. It’s refreshing :)

    #68 11 months ago
  69. polygem

    good morning. look joe before you came here trying to play ping pong.

    “#33polygem
    03/09/13, 7:10 pm
    like the article said…IF you think this is a race, sure, but you can, and should look at the bigger picture.

    i never said that i believe they’ll “beat” them. they don’t have to but they can still be successful.

    but again, we also don’t know the future. i wont count wiiu out just yet.”

    ….”like the article said”

    then you came in wanting me to prove and clarify and i instantly responded:

    “#39polygem
    03/09/13, 10:00 pm
    @38. all i have to say is up there in my previous posts. i think i made my point pretty clear already. again, i am not claiming to be correct about this. it’s just my point of view. you implied that i pretended to have some insider knowlege. i don’t.
    all i do is reflecting about gaming and posting my thoughts here.”

    then in # 60, your grand conclusion is that you cannot take my posts seriously, that i am wrong, because it’s only an opinion….
    you said ” So, objectively, it’s not insight into Nintendo’s strategy – just a personal interpretation of events so far and speculation of what may lie ahead. It’s not something that could be considered authoritative.”

    yep joe, that’s what i said it is myself 21 posts earlier.

    and that’s exactly why discussing with you just makes no sense so often.

    it would be great if you would be brave enough and start to analyze your own posting behaviour just a little bit more (would be enough if you’d look at them with the same passion you look at other peopels posts) before you try to teach and educate others. all. the. time.

    in this case it’s pretty obvious joe. no matter how you twist this again. you unmasked yourself and revealed your true intention. all you wanted to do is play ego ping pong.
    like 80% of your posting time.

    that’s not even a problem. it can be fun, but please just don’t deny it. ask for it instead, maybe some people actually want to play with you…but you shouldn’t get mad at everybody who doesn’t. i played the game with you so often, it gets boring and repetitive. look for another partner for a while will ya? maybe later we can play a match or two again. i would recommend having a break to you though or at least a change in strategy.

    #69 11 months ago
  70. Joe Musashi

    Amazing isn’t it?

    Spends over an hour and multiple posts as to why he won’t clarify something about gaming that he said.

    Yet will happily and exhaustively quote, reference and clarify (well, spin – but to some that’s the same thing) when it suits.

    Quite the contradiction on display.

    I asked you a simple question. Your immediate and utter refusal to co-operate is what has driven this performance.

    Your actions totally betray your words. Even the ones that aren’t fabricating events or twisting details to paint yourself as some innocent victim.

    Bashing someone around the head whilst stating “I’m a pacifist” isn’t very convincing. Saying you’re ‘just here to talk about games’ whilst stifling gaming conversation and refusing to talk about games is equally unconvincing. Actions speak louder than words.

    I keep trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and you keep making me wish I hadn’t.

    Now, are you prepared to talk about games or are you going to carry on your usual methods of twisting, fabricating and dismissing the views of others with childish attempts at wordplay?

    JM

    #70 11 months ago
  71. Consolegamer

    Bethesda should learn to make games without bugs

    #71 11 months ago
  72. fihar

    Well this escalated quickly, and unnecessarily I might add.

    @67
    That right there is Nintendo’s achilles heel.
    Wii-U just doesn’t have enough momentum to satisfy a gamer’s thirst throughout the year, therefore it’s more likely that anyone who own a Wii-U to purchase another console as well but not the other way around.

    Even you subconsciously admitted that the Wii-U is only good for a 2nd console but not everybody cared enough about video game to get a 2nd console. A handheld companion perhaps, but not another box.

    And poly, just ignore Joe. It’s obvious he’s only trying to undermine your thoughts instead of actually contributing his own thoughts into the matter.

    #72 11 months ago
  73. Joe Musashi

    I’m undermining the efforts of those that seek to undermine and dismiss the opinions of others simply because they don’t agree with them. And underminer crying about being undermined by another really should consider the irony of their complaint.

    Using your freedom of speech to try and remove freedom of speech from another is a poisonous approach to conversation.

    Stifling gaming discussion and attempting to nullify valid points with nebulous dismissals, followed by evasion, twisting and personal remarks, only benefits the one or two individuals who are unable to tolerate views outside of their own.

    There’s a significant difference between dismissing and discussing. Doing the former and passing it off as the latter doesn’t make it so.

    JM

    #73 11 months ago
  74. fihar

    @73
    But surely there’s a better way to do that than whatever it is you’re doing right now?

    Making valid arguments about the original issue for one instead of making personal attacks against said offenders could go a long way to establish your credibility rather than making you look like another crazed dude on a witch hunt.

    #74 11 months ago
  75. Joe Musashi

    I asked for information in order to better understand what had been said. It’s very easy to launch counterpoints on something that’s either assumed or ambiguous. So before I could make my counterpoint I sought clarification.

    Instead of getting a simple answer to a simple question I got.. ..well, you can see what I got.

    JM

    #75 11 months ago
  76. polygem

    The match is over joe

    #76 11 months ago
  77. monkeygourmet

    @75

    This style of posting never worked out for you before though, did it?

    Pat got sick to death of it before (as did everyone else you hounded).

    Im glad you used the time you were banned wisely, making the masterful decision to turn your attention purely to a select few rather than the staff members of this site.

    inb4 ‘tag team’

    #77 11 months ago
  78. super3001

    never reply to mushashi. never.

    he no interest in gaming he just want pedant argument

    worse than platform troll lol

    #78 11 months ago
  79. trtrtr

    Nintendo has “to do what Sony does”

    Sony always set example

    sony is best

    kidtendo and MS just copies sony

    #79 11 months ago
  80. monkeygourmet

    @79

    Read @1

    #80 11 months ago
  81. deas

    @80
    read@79

    #81 11 months ago
  82. Lengendaryboss

    Well this escalated quickly after a few hours, nothing to add.

    #82 11 months ago

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