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Xbox One GPU speed and graphics driver upgraded

Friday, 2nd August 2013 13:52 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

Microsoft corporate vice president Marc Whitten announced during a Major Nelson podcast today that GPU speed for Xbox One has been increased since the console was shown during E3 2013.

Whitten says in the podcast that gamescom attendees will “get the first look at new things since E3″ in regards to the console.

These new additions are reportedly a rebuilt and optimized graphics driver and the GPU’s clock speed changing from “800mhz to 853mhz.”

Xbox One is currently in internal hardware beta, and the OS is being polished.

The early report came from a cached article on the matter from Gamespot.

Thanks, Game Informer.

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119 Comments

  1. a7md1990

    From “800mhz to 853mhz.” – ROFLMFAO!!!!

    #1 1 year ago
  2. KAP

    They really do wanna win………. ha!

    #2 1 year ago
  3. Zensi

    @1 You really do underestimate what that means….

    #3 1 year ago
  4. taternuggets

    @1 You pretty much just outed yourself as an idiot.

    #4 1 year ago
  5. Bam007

    6% increase? Eh, better than nothing I suppose. Besides, consoles don’t start and end with hardware. Sony may have superior hardware in the PS4, but without the software to support it…..

    Besides, last time I checked, Sony is hardware and Microsoft is software. You can’t win ‘em all.

    #5 1 year ago
  6. Faithseekers

    Does that mean XBox One is more powerful then PS4?

    #6 1 year ago
  7. loci

    I thought they said specs are meaningless?
    They seem desperate to me to squeeze every little extra bit out.

    #7 1 year ago
  8. kingy

    Got to give it to them they are trying not many companies would do the changes they have done so far

    #8 1 year ago
  9. Max Payne

    That is like 3 fps increase at best.

    #9 1 year ago
  10. Joe Musashi

    Why would they do this when they have the infinite power of the cloud? And true believers have been telling us what benefits it will bring when it comes to the machine’s visual fidelity?

    Something doesn’t quite add up.

    JM

    #10 1 year ago
  11. Stephany Nunneley

    “Report” taken off header since the podcast is live.

    #11 1 year ago
  12. MCTJim

    and here come the haters and Naysayers…..games will the only thing that decides this Generation like it did with the last gen…I look forward to them.

    #12 1 year ago
  13. eXite85

    800 mHz to 853 mHz

    Someone please hand me the Evian!!

    This is no longer rocket science but warp-drive science ,damn !!

    #13 1 year ago
  14. dsr

    Spec changes this late into dev cycle?
    Red Ring 2.0 incoming?

    #14 1 year ago
  15. Petulant Radish

    @1 I hope you really are literally rolling on the floor laughing your f**king ass off as otherwise you are a disgusting filthy liar that no one could ever trust or ,indeed, love.

    As otherwise why would you type such nonsense, it must be quite hard to do whilst doing the above anyway.

    #15 1 year ago
  16. OlderGamer

    More power seems like a good thing. Not a ton, but still more is well … more. Better then less.

    #16 1 year ago
  17. monkeygourmet

    Have MS actually come out and released a final spec sheet?

    Quite a few people are still speculating they have been holding back to let Sony have a chance and stop Apple / Google wading into the market.

    It is quite obvious Sony’s PS4 is very ‘off the shelf’ and the Xbone is way more customised.

    Considering the PS4 is supposed to be more powerful, the Xbone seems to be hitting the 1080p / 60 fps target far easier at the moment.

    #17 1 year ago
  18. stretch215

    Great news for those buying an xbox1! Also, say what you want about “cloud” tech, anything that will lighten the load on the cpu will be beneficial for gaming. To deny this is idiocy, but there are plenty of idiots in these parts….

    #18 1 year ago
  19. MCTJim

    @17 no sir not yet

    They have never ever said anything about it other than what we know from the reveal and E3.

    #19 1 year ago
  20. monkeygourmet

    @19

    I would quite like it to turn out more powerful, would be hilarious especially after all the gloating.

    #20 1 year ago
  21. OlderGamer

    MG +1, would be funny!

    #21 1 year ago
  22. MCTJim

    @20 I dont know other than what has been rumor. Its really not less powerful than the PS4…they are pretty much equal..in terms of Raw HP the PS4 has more according to specs from Sony…but again we dont know the true specs of the X1 other than the rumors…but in the end, its games that matter.

    #22 1 year ago
  23. Dragon246

    @19,
    Please ignore him. He is always wrong. Analysis isn’t his strong point, rumor mongering is. He is still hoping somehow PS4 gets shit wrong. Just see Sony and Ninty financials page to confirm.

    Btw, specs are out in the open, its better games media don’t show it because hardly anyone could make of it except hardware people. We can just look forward to games.

    #23 1 year ago
  24. Fin

    This seems like a really insignificant change.

    @10

    +1

    I’m waiting for the press release – “We’ve been working hard, and have finally be able to double the infinite power of the cloud”.

    #24 1 year ago
  25. Lengendaryboss

    @23
    Why do i suddenly think i should grab the popcorn while i can :) although i can agree his opinions are misguided, arrogant and annoying: but ignoring? lets just wait and see.

    #25 1 year ago
  26. MCTJim

    I am now waiting for the Sony announcement..we have upped our speed to 854Mhz..LOL

    #26 1 year ago
  27. Dragon246

    @25,
    ” i can agree his opinions are misguided, arrogant and annoying”
    Not mincing words eh? :D

    #27 1 year ago
  28. Lengendaryboss

    On topic i suppose this is good. @10+24 but, but the infinite power of the cloud, please be excited :)

    Disclaimer: for those who read please note this is not me hating, trolling or anything like that: its me poking fun :)

    Reason For Disclaimer: Those who don’t understand eventually has me breaking down what i actually mean and in a rare occasion they end up being hypocrites.

    #28 1 year ago
  29. loci

    53Mhz..odd number?
    Sounds like they overclocked it bit by bit till it broke, then took it down 1Mhz.

    Good luck with the RROD early buyers.

    #29 1 year ago
  30. Lengendaryboss

    @26
    Oh yes follow MS’s 180 lead.

    @27
    Ok that’s just my opinion.

    #30 1 year ago
  31. Belazur

    Doesn’t mean a lot.
    The PS4 GPU is still over 40% better/faster.

    But hey, it’s something ;)

    #31 1 year ago
  32. Hcw87

    @29
    RROD happened because of heat.

    Xbox One has been confirmed (also PS4 probably) to have good airflow/heat dispersion, even better than the current consoles.

    Do. Some. Research. Clueless. Person

    #32 1 year ago
  33. OrbitMonkey

    This is the meaningless techno-wank loved by that boring guy down the pub.

    Nobody likes that guy.

    #33 1 year ago
  34. DrDamn

    @17
    “It is quite obvious Sony’s PS4 is very ‘off the shelf’ and the Xbone is way more customised.”

    In what way shape or form? We don’t know a whole lot about the X1 because MS haven’t been talking about specs. From what Sony have actually said the PS4 is nicely customised and tweaked.

    #34 1 year ago
  35. fihar

    Hardware specs are like IQs. You could brag about it but nobody gives a damn in the end.

    #35 1 year ago
  36. Kreion

    @30
    Basically all Sony have been doing is waiting till MS announce something and then having a pissing contest. Look at the 5 vs 15 min recording or the 2000 friends list rubbish. It just makes them seem petty to me, not that Microsoft’s constant decision changes makes them better company but I’d refer a company that changes their mind when they make a mistake vs one that doesn’t.

    I honestly don’t know enough about tech to comment on this piece of news. Especially since I’m pretty sure both systems are using APU’s or something like that which is not exactly the same as traditional PC CPU and GPU. But I suppose more power is better, but both consoles are still so similar I highly doubt there’ll be much graphical difference even by the end of their lifespan. But who knows.

    #36 1 year ago
  37. Llewelyn_MT

    Now that is just a bit better than my own Radeon 6850 OC (clocked @ 820 MHz, but with faster GDDR5). And that’s AMD’s upper medium class of year 2010.

    Where is your god now? In the cloud? ;-)

    #37 1 year ago
  38. OlderGamer

    Are the next gen systems having problems locking down 1080P/60fps? Is that what is behind this extra few % from MS? Trying to smooth things out?

    #38 1 year ago
  39. Beersup

    Here we go again, lol. PS4ers loving every X1 piece of news.

    #39 1 year ago
  40. Lengendaryboss

    @36
    MS have everything about the Xbox One preplanned so does Sony: Nothing is in direct response to each other.

    Sony make mistakes do you not remember 2006, here is the major two:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOHqG1nc_tw
    http://www.1up.com/news/ps3-job

    Sony copied MS at times then and now its the reverse now.

    #40 1 year ago
  41. MCTJim

    sigh….in the end…games decide everything and looking at them we are all gonna have a wonderful time with the systems come November.

    #41 1 year ago
  42. DrDamn

    @38
    Essentially they’ve done their final thermal testing and found they could up things and still be cool enough, so they have. It’s a nice little bonus.

    #42 1 year ago
  43. DrDamn

    @41
    Don’t be silly, they’ll all be arguing about which system sucks more and complaining about minor things. People will be *far* to busy to actually play the games – the very idea! ;)

    #43 1 year ago
  44. Belmont

    @42
    Agreed !

    It is better to have higher clock speed.Good news in general. I don’t know whether that makes a difference or not,It is about great games.

    (Sarcasm !)
    Alright Micro, How about making those 8GB of RAM of GDDR5 variety? Go on, call it Xbox One+ !

    #44 1 year ago
  45. Ireland Michael

    As someone with only a vague understanding of hardware, can someone explain to me what exactly this change means? Sounds like an actually fairly significant upgrade based on the lashing @1′s comment is getting.

    #45 1 year ago
  46. Beta

    Rocket science and magic ladies and gentlemen! [Just poking a bit of fun ;)]

    I won’t pretend to understand clock speeds. Curious, is this change going to be noticeable? Because it sounds rather small.

    #46 1 year ago
  47. The_GHOST

    WOOHOO an overclock
    What are they gonna do now put in a new cooler to make sure the gpu doesn’t overheat of 53 mhz

    #47 1 year ago
  48. DrDamn

    @45
    It’s not all that significant but any boost is nice to have.

    #48 1 year ago
  49. MCTJim

    @45 and @46 until MS really comes out and says here are the specs..cant really say too much other than its a bump and will increase speed, but where that bump will be used is up in the air

    #49 1 year ago
  50. Llewelyn_MT

    @45: The power increase is marginal, a few percent. The power consumption increase (always higher than the speed increase) is much more of a problem on a global scale.

    #50 1 year ago
  51. DrDamn

    Probably of more significance is the Driver update which allows closer access to the hardware – something Sony already allowed.

    #51 1 year ago
  52. monkeygourmet

    @27

    Did you get a little boner then?

    #52 1 year ago
  53. monkeygourmet

    @34

    Sorry, I could have phrased that better.

    I should have said Sony seem to have shown their hand, will MS seem to be still tweaking.

    The fact their still tweaking so close to launch makes me think that the guts of the device Digital Foundary looked at were still not finalised.

    Saying that, this sounds more like driver updates rather than swapping out parts.

    Ultimatly all I see is the gap Sony fans gloating about has been closing by the day. If anything the devices sound near identical.

    And that means all TEH 8GDDR5 and 40% more power was a bit of a flase flag.

    #53 1 year ago
  54. redwood

    They really didn’t had to do this… I mean they have the infinite power of the cloud :P never believe corporate bull crap.

    #54 1 year ago
  55. redwood

    @monkeygourmet.. Naah mate… Am in the Sony camp and am here for games like last of us and uncharted. And Xbox is really not closing that gap at aaaaaaallll..

    #55 1 year ago
  56. MCTJim

    @53 MS has said that it was a prototype that they let the wired.com people take apart.

    as for the 40% more power….you are correct, its not true…based on rumors..the raw HP of the PS4 makes it more powerful on paper….all we know about the X1 is what was revealed during the reveal and E3…but all people look at is numbers..for example..more is better

    #56 1 year ago
  57. Dragon246

    @54,
    Yeah :P

    Well, correct me if I am wrong, but this could probably be done anytime via a simple software update, provided they have enough thermal headroom.

    Btw, X1 hasn’t undergone hardware certification by FCC, brazilian agency and so on, isn’t it? This probably means production hasn’t started yet, so they are probably a bit behind Sony in this regard. However, Sony is using more “exotic” parts which are in more limited supply, so to say, and MS is using more common parts, so it probably is even.
    Launch shortages are definite reality, unlike a certain console :D

    #57 1 year ago
  58. monkeygourmet

    @55

    God speed! :)

    My girlfriend looks to be getting a PS4 because of the bullshit with the Kinect (she was 360 before). Im going PC next gen although may pick up a PS4 / Xbone down the line.

    What I have found interesting has been:

    People who defended the PS3 right through the early days, and denided Sony had made mistakes (Bluray, TEH CELL etc…), are now loving the fact that Sony seems to have ‘turned over a new leaf’.

    That doesn’t make any sense unless you were criticising their decisions from an earlier point.

    Likewise,

    Xbox fans who have been defending MS through all the DRM bullshit, now loving it when they have U-Turned an a lot of stuff?!

    It’s very confusing, I’d have thought you were either in or out really! :)

    G1GA is pretty hardcore in this respect. Even though MS flip flopped, he still wants all the old stuff back in the system! Thats dedication right there!

    #58 1 year ago
  59. monkeygourmet

    @57

    Launch shortages are definite reality, unlike a certain console :)

    Translated:

    Troll Troll Troll Troll Troll Troooolllllll :)

    #59 1 year ago
  60. OrbitMonkey

    Hey #50 has a point. Just how much juice will these next-gen consoles need? Compared to this gen for example?

    Don’t want my electric bill going through the roof! :/

    #60 1 year ago
  61. Ireland Michael

    Can’t complain about a little extra juice, but at the end of the day, all that really matters are the games.

    #61 1 year ago
  62. DrDamn

    @MG
    I’m PS4 first then X1 eventually but I’m with G1GA on a lot of the decisions. They don’t seem to have shown much backbone or conviction in their design and went too far the other way. As it stands it’s a less attractive proposition to me now than it was post E3 conference.

    #62 1 year ago
  63. MCTJim

    @61 so true
    @62 I too wished they would have left the original plans in place…well minus the once a day check…..and hope they bring back family sharing

    #63 1 year ago
  64. monkeygourmet

    @62

    I think it was all about delivery.

    If you show actual proof how the DRM stlye stuff, Kinect etc.. etc… Could enhance games, then you have more of a chance of selling it.

    It’s like me trying to talk about the Wii U game pad to anyone on here. No one wants it or is prepared to give it a chance.

    Now, as im a fan (like G1GA with all the Xbone DRM stuff), I look into it more than the average person and take time to learn to use the device.

    In that respect I get more out of it (Miiverse, artwork, community etc…) But trying to explain that to someone who doesn’t want to hear it is a waste of breath half the time.

    If MS hadn’t focussed on TV at the start, maybe had a ‘side show’ after E3, and just focused on amazing Kinect 2.0 tech, sharing etc… It might be a different story.

    They completly miss-judged the audience and looked out of touch.

    Still to this day they are trying to sell ‘always on’ Kinect, without one good game or reason to have it. The TV stuff doesn’t even work in half the countries… :/

    Sony basically had an empty goal.

    You know you’ve fucked it when your main rival can win just by saying:

    ‘We’ll let you loan your games!’

    #64 1 year ago
  65. fearmonkey

    The GPU is a customized gimped version of a ATI 7790, with lower compute units and shader units and clock speed compared to a stock ATI 7790. The stock GPU speed of a 7790 is 1GHZ and they upped the speed here to 853MHZ, so thats just a bullet point and marketing tactic, “look it’s more powerful”

    Extremetech did a great article on the differences between them.
    http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/162612-ps4-vs-xbox-one-performance-compared-using-representative-pc-hardware

    Now look at those framerate differences in their comparison, see how much higher the PS4 framerates could be?

    As the article notes, for third party games, their might not be much difference at all, especially at the beginning of the gen. However, the PS4 version could run smoother with no dips in framerate with better AA or filtering, and first party games could really show the differences between them. Say what you want about the Xbone, MS made a less powerful console because they wanted to have TV TV Sports Sports and Kinect, and if that appeals to you fine. Personally, I just want a console, a controller, and games.

    Also – there is more here – http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/162977-xbox-one-gpu-gets-modest-boost-in-power-to-combat-ps4-supremacy-microsoft-confirms

    #65 1 year ago
  66. Hcw87

    @65
    So you’re telling me that you can spot the difference between 70 and 56 FPS (for example)? Do you have some advanced robotic eyes or some shit? No human being can spot a difference between lets say 50 and 60 fps.

    Also, visually those benchmarks are identical.

    #66 1 year ago
  67. super3001

    fact remains xone has 1080p/60 games an ps4 struggle with controller lag an tearing at 30fps.

    xone is better design simply. now +6% even better

    #67 1 year ago
  68. Riseer

    monkeygourmet,you know nothing about hardware.First off this is a minor performance boost..i mean minor.We also don’t know what Sony has done with the new dev kits/updates.Overclocking the Ps4 gpu would be even less of a issue then the Xbone gpu.Why is that?well Esram is used on the same die as the Gpu and mover cores,this tends to make the Gpu get hotter then it should.Sony uses Gcn cores we don’t know if Sony has added anything else to the die beyond the GCN cores.

    We know added another bus to the GPU that allows it to read directly from system memory or write directly to the system memory, bypassing its own L1 and L2 caches.They can pass around 20 gigabytes a second down that bus.

    We don’t know if Sony has increased the MHZ on the Gpu/Cpu.Also those games running at E3 were running on old dev kits.Sony’s API is very thin it’s very close to coding to metal.Killzone SF was only running on 4 gigs of ram two weeks before E3.

    I know Xbox fans think this is 360 vs Ps3 again.Difference this time around is both the Ps4/Xbone have around the same hardware GPU/CPU.Ps4 has a upgraded version of the Xbone Gpu.The thing that catches my eye is the RoP diffrence.32 vs 16 in favor of the Ps4 gpu,both Gpu’s used the same setup just the Ps4 gpu has more of everything.

    #68 1 year ago
  69. sg1974

    So this increases the GPU from 1.23 to 1.31 TFLOPS (for comparison the PS4 is at least 1.84). Good news for MS and XBox One customers, though I would be very concerned they are still optimising the use of their hardware barely 15 weeks before it is launched at retail.

    #69 1 year ago
  70. fearmonkey

    @66 – No, I am telling you that with those added framerates, the game will likely never dip below 60. I am also saying that those added framerates could mean added tessellation for increased geometry, more objects in the background or screen, better AA and better filtering. In plain speak, a game could look better on PS4 for no performance cost.

    Yes they were, because they used a PC game that wasnt optimized. my point was that developers would have a chance to optimize the game to be better if they wanted to. Whether that happens or not, thats not my point. My point is that PS4 has more possibilities for having the better looking and performing games, as well as having the best looking first party titles.

    #70 1 year ago
  71. Major Mayhem 70

    Why the sudden increase? Maybe, just maybe they’re trying to compete. Sort of like why a particular company dropped it camera from being packaged in with its console. No wait, they did that for us gamers so maybe that’s why MS increased the GPU speed… For us gamers 😜

    #71 1 year ago
  72. sg1974

    @71 Any evidence for that or just putting up a strawman?

    #72 1 year ago
  73. fearmonkey

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-08-02-carmack-criticises-fundamentally-poor-kinect-interactions

    “Kinect is sort of like a zero button mouse with a lot of latency on it”

    Carmack not a fan of the new Kinect it seems.

    #73 1 year ago
  74. monkeygourmet

    @68

    When did I protest to know a shit load about hardware?

    I’m building a rig at the moment and have been asking for help I the forum from other VG247 forumites.

    I’m just talking about discussions people are having on the Internet and stories like this.

    Sony need to show me more to convince me of the superior PS4, that’s all. If your convinced by what you have seen, more power too you.

    Forza is 60FPS and 1080p and looks better than Driveclub even though Driveclub is only 30fps…

    Also, people are saying the Ps4 was further along in the dev cycle, so why are Xbone games looking to run smoother at the moment?

    I’m asking you the questions if you know so much about tech.

    #74 1 year ago
  75. Riseer

    super3001,Lol oh you mean those Pc demos they had at e3.You are a typical Xbot,MS lieing in your face and you give them a handshake and a smile as they take your money”or your parents money”.Get real MS is trying to make a big deal about their API…fact is it’s not a big deal.Sony already gives developer’s a razor thin Api that happens to run on open GL.Which happens to be better then DX11 because you don’t have to worry about MS to update it.Also DX11 has a lot of trash on it,is it good API sure but does it give the Xbone a advantage?Nope.

    Sony has stronger hardware which you are to dense to understanding,this isn’t a completely diffrent Gpu/Cpu.Both consoles use the same hardware vender,just Sony has more powerful hardware Gpu wise”Cpu’s are about the same”Let’s not forget that MS went with DDR3 which isn’t good for graphics,that;s why they had to go with Esram.They HAD to use Esram because DDR3 is slow for graphics bandwith.It’s good for smaller bits of data and bad for moving large bits of data.

    MS got burned quite bad hardware wise,fanboy’s like you try to fabricate your own understand of hardware that the MS PR tells you.

    #75 1 year ago
  76. fearmonkey

    @74 – You are comparing Forza, a premier franchise that MS knew was going to be a flagship launch title to a new IP? I can guarantee that MS took care of the forza team and they had a big start and access to specs and dev kits before just about anyone.

    Driveclub is by the same guys that did Motorstorm, I have never played those games, so I cant tell you their quality but Forza is long known for quality. Any betting man would think that the Forza team would make the better racer. Still, Driveclub isnt out and its a different type of racer, so I until I see reviews, i think its hard to judge. I have never been a gran turismo or Forza fan, I like more arcadey racers than sims, so driveclub interests me more.

    As far as being convinced, go look at the dark sorcerer demo, nothing on Xbox one looks that good. Then go look at the behind the scenes demos of it on youtube where they take control of the demo live proving it was being run real time. Then listen as they said it wasnt even opimized for PS4, thats its their PS3 tools ported to PS4, and theyc an do even better once they have dedicated optimized tools.

    #76 1 year ago
  77. Hcw87

    @75
    Yes, a shitty ass mini-title called Lococycle ran on PC hardware.

    http://news.cheatcc.com/391187

    Not exactly something to flip out about, is it?

    #77 1 year ago
  78. Riseer

    monkeygourmet,MS was showing their games on highend Pc’s.Games now are being built on Pc then scaled down to the console.Forza 5 was running on a highend Pc,heck MS didn’t let anyone even peek at the Pc it was running on.Does this mean Forza 5 will look bad i doubt it,MS has tons of resoures.As for Sony they were using Dev kits that didn’t have finalized hardware at the time.Infamous SS looks amazing,i can understand why it runs at 30fps because of all the effects and physics.Forza 5 is a closed corse game,while Drive club is more of a open world game.

    #78 1 year ago
  79. Clupula

    @53 – As someone who will get a PS4, but not an Xbone, I hope the gap closes as much as possible, so that we never have to see a multiplatform release gimped to match the lowest common specs, which happened ALL the time with the PS3/360. The games are what attract me to a system and the PS3 is going to get not only the great first party games, but the majority of the Japanese third party loving. That’s all I need.

    #79 1 year ago
  80. lookingglass

    Using PCs built to closely match the PS4 and the XBO… from Kotaku

    On paper the PS4 has a 50% performance advantage via GPU core count and FLOPS.

    In testing it’s actually about 25%.

    The PCs can’t simulate the XBOs ESRAM and its more custom architecture, only the core counts.

    So the XBO likely offers only 10-20% less performance than the PS4 right out of the box.

    #80 1 year ago
  81. fearmonkey

    @80 except that there is no real consensus on that Sram increased performance, per extremetech. Until real world games prove that it can make a difference, advantage goes to Sony.

    #81 1 year ago
  82. laughing-gravy

    @80 Crap the PC’s used were nowhere near the specs of either system. Didn’t take into account difference in ROPS or bandwidth. Set both systems to specs not even close to target hardware.

    #82 1 year ago
  83. Lounds

    I know consoles are first about games, so either way it will be down to number of games sold = more profit.

    Fact PS4 has a more complex GPU core to the one of the XB1, 18GNC cores VS 12GNC cores, a 53mhz increase is fuck all. So everyone having ago at the guy who first posted is an idiot because when I read this story I definitely LOL’d ;-)

    #83 1 year ago
  84. monkeygourmet

    @76

    Motorstorm is one of my favourite franchises and was used for the bullshots of the PS3 reveal. The final games still looked great tough.

    I know what you mean, a fairer test will be GT vs. Forza. But hey, they went with Drive Club. Not my fault, I’m just comparing what both manufacturers are offering, to things that aren’t even announced yet.

    If we are going down that road, I’ll say GT 6 on PS4 looks better than Forza 5, but not as good as Forza 6.

    I can only compare what’s been shown. If anything, Sony seem pretty stupid offering a potentially higher powered console with a game which makes it look weaker to the average joe…

    Also, you are complaining at my choice of comparison, then offering me a look at David Cage’s tech demo? Until I see someone playing that without QTE’s (same as Quantum Therory on Xbone), it doesn’t show me anything.

    @78

    Forza 5 is confirmed for 1080p and 60fps along with a lot of other titles. They can’t really go back on that now. Again, refer to the above.

    We all knew Forza was going to launch, Sony decided on GT on the PS3 (maybe PS4 down the line) and Driveclub for PS4 running at 30fps. It was their choice, not terrible, but a lot of people will assume the Xbone is more powerful if they see the games running side by side.

    #84 1 year ago
  85. super3001

    esram data move engine better os and library means xone will perform better than ps4.

    30fps on ps4 60fps on xone. easy win.

    #85 1 year ago
  86. fearmonkey

    @84 – Lol on the QTe’s, I hate those too :) I was just meaning raw graphic performance, and nothing beats that real time demo that I have seen. I think Both consoles are going to be great graphically, but the edge definitely goes to PS4, simply because the hardware is better.

    When push comes to shove, both consoles are going to look great and play great. As a Xbox fan, I was dismayed and disappointed with MS’s decisions
    regarding DRM, Online required, forced Kinect, etc. I just cannot reward them for that behavior. Sony in my opinion deserves my business first, as they didnt impose an authoritarian system on me. MS may get my business later, but not real soon.

    I am also disappointed that MS was so focused on media regarding the Xbox One, where Sony is all about the games this time. It’s like MS and Sony have changed places. I see much more potential in the PS4 performance wise, but more potential in the Xbox One for different types of gaming experiences. As someone who just wants a controller and a console, the PS4 fits me better this time. A year ago, I never thought I would be buying a PS4 at launch….

    #86 1 year ago
  87. DrDamn

    If you all want to have a willy waving contest them maybe best wait until you’ve got something solid to compare. Don’t go running around slapping semis.

    @80
    They simulated the eSRAM by using faster GDDR5 didnt they? Strangely the PS4 is customised too. You’re drawing dubious conclusions from dubious conclusions.

    #87 1 year ago
  88. Ireland Michael

    I will never understand why people get so caught up with these numbers, like their lives and value as a human being hinged in the balance. *shakes head*

    #88 1 year ago
  89. monkeygourmet

    @87

    ‘If you all want to have a willy waving contest them maybe best wait until you’ve got something solid to compare. Don’t go running around slapping semis.’

    Well… That was very… Graphic! :)

    @86

    ‘It’s like MS and Sony have changed places. I see much more potential in the PS4 performance wise, but more potential in the Xbox One for different types of gaming experiences. As someone who just wants a controller and a console, the PS4 fits me better this time. A year ago, I never thought I would be buying a PS4 at launch….’

    Very true, kind of like how I feel. PC first for me and Occulus Rift! :D

    #89 1 year ago
  90. fps_d0minat0r

    @74 monkeygourmet

    no-one has seen xbox one footage.
    We have however seen xbox one games running on windows 7 PC’s…which doesnt really mean anything.

    As for PS4 games, most developers didnt even know it was going to have 8GB ram until it was announced at E3. The killzone gameplay was only using 4GB.

    There is an article on eurogamer called “In Theory: Can Xbox One multi-platform games compete with PlayStation 4?”
    It shows that in terms of raw graphics power the PS4 will produce on average 20% more frames than the xbox one, both running at 1080p.

    I agree drive club doesnt look amazing but nor did motorstorm for PS3.
    Just wait for the last of us 2 or uncharted 4. Will look miles better than anything on XBone.

    #90 1 year ago
  91. fps_d0minat0r

    @super3001

    you also need to read the Digital Foundry article on XBone vs PS4 graphics.
    if you think Xbone is 60frames compared to 30fps on PS4, youre in for a shock.

    #91 1 year ago
  92. monkeygourmet

    @90

    Yes we have, Ryse and Forza were running on Xbone’s at E3…

    Also:

    ‘I agree drive club doesnt look amazing but nor did motorstorm for PS3.
    Just wait for the last of us 2 or uncharted 4. Will look miles better than anything on XBone.’

    I don’t agree, I don’t have to wait for Sony to show me anything, or MS for that matter. Uncharted will look great, but I think they’ve made errors in their launch software compared to Xbone.

    Of course Uncharted PS4 will look great, so will Halo on Xbone at 1080p 60fps (confirmed). The fact they won’t be out for over a year makes the only solid thing we can gauge are launch titles or what has been shown so far.

    Sony and MS have had years to prep these consoles and I’m personally a little let down by the PS4 targeting 1080p 30fps so far.

    #92 1 year ago
  93. monkeygourmet

    @91

    Also, at least 3 games are confirmed so far:

    Forza 5
    Battlefield 4
    Titanfall
    Halo (whenever that comes out)

    #93 1 year ago
  94. Clupula

    91 – Don’t bother with him. He’s a big troll who was going on a bit ago about how he thought Amazon were lying when they said PS4 pre-orders were going well.

    #94 1 year ago
  95. Dragon246

    Frat squad in full force, waving imaginary dicks that aren’t even in production yet.

    Btw, some ammo for ya guys -
    1. 1080p 60fps > 1080p 30fps isn’t always true. Its a tradeoff. Lets say, 60fps is a faster one, whereas 30 fps is a shiner one. Your choice.
    2. Forza vs. DriveClub. LOL.
    One is a simulator , another one is an arcade. Forza has better performance fps (a necessity for sims) whereas DriveClub is better looking (has real time weather selection and so on).

    So in other words, 30fps and 60fps wont tell anything about power unless we are testing a multiplatformer. Weirdly, none are available yet.

    Tradeoffs people. Not that I expect people who take months to build a off the shelf PC to understand that.
    Please continue.

    #95 1 year ago
  96. monkeygourmet

    @95

    You do you never mention my name when you are clearly referring to me? What are you scared of? Incriminating yourself?

    You have no balls son and are looking more and more like the backstabbing troll you are.

    Do you think your being that clever? You’re a snake….

    Waits for your furious e-mails to Pat crying about mistreatment….

    #96 1 year ago
  97. nollie4545

    It isn’t the frame rate but also the average draw time per frame. Whereas you cannot distinguish between 60 and 70fps by eye, you will notice if frames are taking very different times to draw them. Hence the use of triple buffering in PCs.

    Anyway, if the Xbox can manage Forza at 1080P at 60fps, whereas the PS3 can only manage 30fps in a graphically less complex game, then it does make you wonder what is wrong with the development of the playstation given the extra poke it has on paper. This is Cell all over again.

    Quite why anyone would design a piece of hardware to crank out 1080P but only 30fps is beyond me.

    It is worth noting that none of this is related to what kind of RAM the consoles have. Both machines have cut price architecture and therefore the difference will be how easy it is for developers to make the most of the hardware on offer.

    #97 1 year ago
  98. Dragon246

    http://media.desura.com/images/groups/1/3/2392/0-serious-cat-joker1.jpg

    srs bsns

    #98 1 year ago
  99. monkeygourmet

    @97

    Exactly.

    #99 1 year ago
  100. polygem

    @95:

    fuck you

    . just
    . fuck
    . you

    you are a sneaky, backstabbing, disgusting little troll and coward – it´s insane really.

    now post this to pat. do whatever you like…but please just fuck you, or even better: just fuck off finally.

    i´ve been here for what, 4, almost 5 years now? i never ever felt the need to say things like this to anyone before, nor did i ever wanted anyone to get banned here but you man, you should really make a therapy first before poisoning the internet with your sick and gutless, unhonest bullying attempts.

    #100 1 year ago
  101. sebastien rivas

    @ 97
    “It is worth noting that none of this is related to what kind of RAM the consoles have. Both machines have cut price architecture and therefore the difference will be how easy it is for developers to make the most of the hardware on offer.”

    I completely agree on that one.

    I just don’t know if MS can pull a 100$ upgrade console price and justify it while both consoles are on par so far. Beefing up an APU can only go that far…

    #101 1 year ago
  102. Lengendaryboss

    @100
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKfceBq-j9Y
    So the message is fuck him and get help:

    The short version.

    #102 1 year ago
  103. polygem

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXj-ooRfWtg

    #103 1 year ago
  104. Dragon246

    Keyboard warriors, fucking online in 1080p 60fps since internet become live.
    https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/f/f7/Retardns8.jpg/200px-Retardns8.jpg

    I bid my farewell from this page :D

    #104 1 year ago
  105. Lengendaryboss

    @Polygem
    You have given me another reason to avoid COD, Bravo :)

    #105 1 year ago
  106. monkeygourmet

    @Poly

    Thanks dude for that. Look at this:

    ‘Not that I expect people who take months to build a off the shelf PC to understand that.
    Please continue.’

    I bust my ass 50 plus hours a week managing a care home for 3 adults with Autism. And some little pissant hasn’t got the balls to talk to me directly about how difficult it is to build a high end rig while managing other things in your life…

    Fucking snake tactics yet again…

    Gutless and The worse kind of sleeper troll. Plus point, that attitude chips away at your RL self esteem.

    #106 1 year ago
  107. polygem

    “#104Dragon246
    02/08/13, 7:48 pm
    Keyboard warriors, fucking online in 1080p 60fps since internet become live.
    https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/f/f7/Retardns8.jpg/200px-Retardns8.jpg

    I bid my farewell from this page”

    wow man, i´m impressed, you´re finally showing yourself huh? keep it coming. bullying, pseudofunny death wishes, devaluing disabled people…keep it coming.

    #107 1 year ago
  108. polygem

    @105: every time i am thinking about connecting my headset…i take a few seconds, look at that thing and then think about it again

    #108 1 year ago
  109. Lengendaryboss

    @108
    :D

    #109 1 year ago
  110. CPC_RedDawn

    If you think this will make any difference at all in terms of graphics horsepower you are completely wrong. It might help speed things up very very slightly or make things a little smoother due to the driver being updated but other than that, nothing. A 53MHz boost won’t help the fact that its CU’s are nearly half that of the PS4 and these are what do the calculations under the hood. Its like getting an Samsung Galaxy S3 and bumbing the clock speeds up slightly and expecting to reach S4 speeds. It simply won’t happen. This once again is a PR stunt they are still in damage control after their two conferences. Anything to grab the attention of the media in a good light, guess what the PS4 will release in a different color to black, it will now release in black, and white…. See, there is a PR stunt for you… WHO THE FUDGE CARES!

    #110 1 year ago
  111. Lengendaryboss

    @110
    You got me thinking about fudge, mmm ah fudge :)

    #111 1 year ago
  112. Ireland Michael

    Yup, this is still going.

    #112 1 year ago
  113. machy

    they should had put more money into the console not in a damn camera that no one asking for it

    #113 1 year ago
  114. MCTJim

    LOL this is still going on since this am..funny :P

    it all boils down to games..thats it….

    #114 1 year ago
  115. smdm

    ohhhhhh realy?! 53 more oooooh :|

    #115 1 year ago
  116. nollie4545

    Fudge? Who mentioned fudge? Seriously, Xbox one is being launched with fudge? Nice.

    #116 1 year ago
  117. monkeygourmet

    This is god tier fudge:

    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fudge+sea+salt&client=safari&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=8gf9UfHaIsqa1AX0koGgDg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAA&biw=768&bih=928#biv=i%7C0%3Bd%7CvcEx0UY_jspF5M%3A

    And I don’t even like fudge that much.

    #117 1 year ago
  118. Ireland Michael

    What kind of fudge is it running on?

    It is high quality fudge, or off the shelf stuff?

    Will it keep a 5% boost in processing or a 5.5% boost?

    THIS IS RELEVANT AND IMPORTANT INFORMATION THAT I MUST KNOW!

    #118 1 year ago
  119. sebastien rivas

    No matter the choice,

    While it is possible to speed bump, it will also increase heat if there is no getting faster on something and decrease clock of something else.

    If you increase heat generally then can the other article stating Xbox 1 may be 10 years on without interruption be realistic?

    Again, beefing up something is possible but at what cost… Developers “may” have to make peculiar choices to conform to this increase/decrease or increase/increase altogether.

    Seriously, Xbox 1 can not handle 1080 @ 30 FPS or better if it is at stock? It is hard to believe this, and as much as the gap between Xbox1 and Ps4 is so profound that Xbox1 has to make those choices.

    Beware Microsoft, I hope this is the right choice.

    #119 1 year ago

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