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“You’re all being played”: Bleszinski slams Sony’s lack of used game blockers as a PR tactic

Monday, 17th June 2013 16:33 GMT By Dave Cook

Former Epic Games designer Cliff Bleszinski has been on something of a Twitter crusade lately, stating that the used games and AAA markets cannot co-exist while big budget games cost so much to make. Bleszinski has now suggested that Sony does have anti-used measures up its sleeve, and is using outrage over Microsoft’s Xbox One policies as a free PR tactic.

Before venturing further, you can play catch-up on Bleszinski’s series of tweets regarding triple-a production and used games here.

Now, the designer has suggested on Twitter that given the cost of blockbuster games, Sony simply must have a similar strategy to Microsoft’s in the works:

I also thought this one was pretty fun:

Over to you folks: is Sony playing us all for chumps or can they really afford to keep used games and still produce expensive triple-a blockbusters without issue? Let us know below.

Thanks GI.biz.

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99 Comments

  1. freedoms_stain

    What that Christofer Sundberg guy said.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. SlayerGT

    He have a horse in this race?

    #2 2 years ago
  3. Zana

    Excuse me, but who is this guy?

    #3 2 years ago
  4. John117

    It certainly wouldnt be a surprise if Clif was right, Sony sure made a good show of making MS look like the evil guys during E3 and most people jumped on that hate wagon pretty fast…

    #4 2 years ago
  5. FeaturePreacher

    It’s not the player getting played, it’s the games. I wonder if he still thinks it’s a bad strategy when he sees Microsoft get rid of their anti-used DRM in order to avoid a console that sells less than the Wii U.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. Sherif Saed

    “You cannot have game and marketing budgets this high while also having used and rental games existing. The numbers do NOT work people.”

    Too bad, motherfucker.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. MCTJim

    My opinion here folks and not fact:

    I think its true. I think they capitalized on what MS did/said and at last minute decided to ditch it.

    I like that they did it, but I am sure it came as a surprise to their developers and partners. Sony won over the fans, but I am sure a lot of developers and 3rd parties may not be so happy.

    MS’s games were top notch, but the whole PR coup Sony pulled has clearly outweighed them.

    #7 2 years ago
  8. Eregol

    Make games with a good replayability factor, and support extensively with DLC.
    Your game lasts longer, you make money from the DLC, and people don’t trade your game in.
    Carrots, not sticks CliffyB.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. KAP

    In Giantbomb podcast last week he came right out and said “I hate Sony”. Instead of slating Playstation why don’t he just be happy that gamers are voting with their wallets on what they want.. and not hate us for doing so.. Strange dude.

    If Sony chose to do always online and Microsoft chose not too I’d have a very different opinion on this all. Fuck him and his odd fanboy tactics.

    Maybe the $100 difference has nothing to do with this either no?

    #9 2 years ago
  10. silkvg247

    As I said in another thread, if the movie industry can do it, I don’t see why the video game industry can’t.

    AAA Movies:
    * Generate much less revenue per user
    * Cost more to make
    * Spend more on advertising

    So how do they manage it?

    Perhaps a lesson is to be learned.

    Why do games cost so much? Does it have to be that way? How would the industry fare if:

    * Games cost about £10-£15
    * They were better advertised

    If “new” sales were to at least quadruple, then overnight the business model has improved. I’d argue sales would go through the roof if the price was right – people wouldn’t be waiting for price cuts or preowned anymore.. it’s not rocket science is it.

    The industry has to realise that lower price = more sales.

    DRM is the exact opposite of what they need to do. If the game only cost a few bucks, nobody is going to care about trade in, because what’s the point? People generally don’t tradein their DvD, CD or BlueRays for the same reason.

    People trade because they want to recoup some of the forty blood quid they spent on a 10 hour long game.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. tCruzin

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Cliff is right. Sony already said its up the the publishers to do what they want with their games.
    Also, MS isn’t going to change anything and your crazy if you think it’ll sale less than the Wii U. Hate it all you want but that’s just silly.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Samoan Spider

    Sony have been very careful to say it’s up to the publishers. With Sony having, what, 3% or 5% of the publishing market last year? That’s a LOT of wiggle room. I don’t mind whether they do or don’t, but this could easily go either way.

    Edit: Also @10 I agree entirely

    #12 2 years ago
  13. penniman

    Ok I am done with these lies.. CD Projekt makes better games than Epic Games for a mere fraction of the cost.. How about stop throwing money at CEO’s and start placing the money in the game.. Also, stop advertising soo much then you can save some more money..

    #13 2 years ago
  14. shkurti9

    First of I would like to point out that this guy is extremely biased because he was with epic (developers of gears of war) second of all they have already said there is some restrictions but that it’s exactly the same as this gen (online passes) and how the he’ll would you know anything about Sony’s own system, if what he was saying is right Sony would be in a worse PR situation for lying to there consumers which would be plain dumb by them now that they have this momentum sounds to me that cliff is but hurt that the ps4 won’t be giving him more money to these greedy developers that make average games.

    #14 2 years ago
  15. backup

    @13
    not better than naughty gods

    #15 2 years ago
  16. wildBoar

    Blezinski just seems to be an attention whore these days, probly hoping some of the attention will be reflected on whatever project he’s working. A shame game news’ sites still gives him the time of the day just cause he’s slightly known.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. unacomn

    “I don’t make games anymore! Pay attention to me!!!!”

    But yeah, Sony invented SecuROM, they probably had a DRM solution or five. Yet with so much anger aimed at DRM, they’d be nuts not to jump on that outrage badboy.

    #17 2 years ago
  18. Dave Cook

    @16 slightly?

    #18 2 years ago
  19. Eregol

    Jaffe and Blezinsky cut from the same cloth.
    One favours Sony, the other favours MS.

    #19 2 years ago
  20. CycloneFox

    I never would have thought, Cliffy B. is so near-sighted.
    I wrote it once in another thread and will write it again: To say used games harm the industry because you see that there are more people who played your game online, than the game was sold is just a stupid naive fallacy. Some people would never buy a new game for 60$/€ or buy a one year older discounted copy while there are newer games out. Other people find their entrance to a new series of games by playing the first one lended or used and buy the newer titles on first day. Others just buy a game when they know, they can still sell it, if it’s trash.

    The other thing is: It is nothing new and absolutely clear, that Sony didn’t do much by itself and just sold us the fact, that they don’t do something, that microsoft does. But that is nothing bad. It was asked by the people and Sony just told them what they wanted to hear, instead of trying to sell something to the people that they absolutely don’t need. I’m really happy, it turned out like this. When I want to use steam, I play on my PC. What Sony gives us, on the other hand, is a console.

    #20 2 years ago
  21. fearmonkey

    The way he is acting pretty much seals that whatever he ends up releasing in the future, will be for the Xbone and PC. While I respect his contributions, I wish he would shut up. All that negativity aimed at the Xbone could end up his direction if he isnt careful.

    #21 2 years ago
  22. Fin

    I think the nerd rage Sony would experience if it did a u-turn on its current stated policies would be so immense they’d never do it.

    Bleszinski is sounding more like a conspiracy theorist every day.

    #22 2 years ago
  23. karma

    Are Sony using MS game ownership, and respecting consumer rights failure to win over the core gaming audience?

    Hell yeah they are, wouldn’t you?

    As for AAA game and marketing budgets. They need to come the hell down, because I wont fit the bill while they keep delivering homogenized crap I don’t even enjoy no more. We need to get back to a simpler time and indie is the road to salvation.

    Also see #22.

    Personally I think the Clifster jumped in bed with the losing team, and now he’s realised it.

    #23 2 years ago
  24. Bomba Luigi

    Cliffy go Home.

    But I fear he will not follow Orders as good as Xbox does.

    #24 2 years ago
  25. Crapgamer

    Cliff is exactly right! Sony pulled a wonderful PR stunt, and even later said it was up to publishers if they wanted to implement any restrictions. Sony was the only first party to have Online Passes for their games this generation. Sony’s DC Universe Online was a disc that had an activation code, that made it so you can’t trade it in, and nobody else can use it.

    Microsoft clearly won the software/exclusive battle of E3. Sony won the price battle, but $100 isn’t that big of a difference, and nobody seemed to notice Sony is charging to play online now as well.

    If Sony is so sure about the success of their console, why bash Microsoft at every turn? Why fear monger? I’ve seen Microsoft be nothing but respectful of Sony, yet Sony does nothing but poke fun.

    Giving that Microsoft has had my favorite games this gen, and I’m a fan of the industry, which is why I never buy used games. I am going with Xbox One.

    #25 2 years ago
  26. JimFear-666

    blinzinsky is a well known xbox fanboy. He’s probably sucking the cock of microsoft to get a job and a new studio paid by ms.

    #26 2 years ago
  27. Malmer

    They question is, how is Sonys downloadable games policy? In a few years that will account for a quite big part of game purchases. MS have pretty sweet terms with the family/friend sharing and remote access. What will sony do there?

    #27 2 years ago
  28. WENDiGO

    Good job cliff, you just couldn’t let a good thing happen without trying to expose something based on belief and not proof. It might be true that sony DID have these policies before but it damn sure won’t be there now. It would be a PR disaster if they implement any sort of DRM/restrictions after saying they don’t have them. Is it that hard to believe that there’s a chance that sony took a bullet (scrapping this system that publishers probably knew about) to have the edge over MS. It’s hard for him to believe that sony are trying not to leave too many scars on their reputation.

    Also, think about, if sony also implemented these restrictions then hardcore gamers will just build PCs like they’ve been saying. Many have said that if both had DRM then they would leave consoles. Ultimately killing console gaming.

    #28 2 years ago
  29. Talkar

    This guy again? After what he said about PC gaming i have zero respect for whatever that thing is called.

    #29 2 years ago
  30. hives

    Yes, Cliffy – it’s bad for Ubisoft or Activision who makes CoD or Assassin every freaking year. So who cares?

    #30 2 years ago
  31. wildBoar

    I feel like people making fun of Sony for white-knighting doesn’t quite get it. Their anti-DRM stance is only a response to the demand created by Microsoft and all the game news’ sites that were writing “PS4 will block used games” for a whole year. Having DRM would be a mistake, but not having it and not making it abundantly clear would also be a huge mistake. We created a demand and Sony filled it. They would be wrong to have DRM and they would be wrong not to point it out when they didn’t.

    #31 2 years ago
  32. merrc

    PR stunt my ass. DRM is not on their first party games, how the hell can the stop the publisher from implementing it? And without it being checked online everyday, how could offline DRM work? EA already said their online pass is gone for good. PS3 already allows you to share their downloaded games psn games. Cliff can suck that Microdick all he wants.

    #32 2 years ago
  33. SplatteredHouse

    Five days ago. Been a bit of clarity since then.
    @25: “Sony was the only first party to have Online Passes for their games this generation. Sony’s DC Universe Online was…” a game confirmed NOT to require PS Plus to even be needed to play. Along with Planetside 2. And, we know that Sony has already dropped online passes, going forward.

    I’ve found a stronger still wording on Sony’s Online Pass stance. Scott Rohde, talking to Gamasutra: “We’ve already come right out and said we’re not going to allow online pass. And the word “allow” is key there. Specifically with online, with PS+ requiring a charge to play online, we would not want any publisher [to charge.]

    In general, we’re all businesses. Sony or Microsoft is never going to be able to tell EA or Activision exactly what they can do. What we like to say at PlayStation is that we set the precedent.” he goes on to state that with the PS+, he doesn’t feel it likely that major publishers would want to risk tacking on an individual, additional charge to play.

    #33 2 years ago
  34. graffik

    Maybe he would care to also comment on the fact that M$ are paying gamestop staff to sell the xbone over the ps4 telling people that the xbone is much better has more and better games and is much more powerfull? WTF

    #34 2 years ago
  35. fihar

    @10
    Because the amount of people that watch movies is probably 50-times the amount of people who plays videogames.
    And, you can’t sell used cinema tickets and they aren’t exactly expensive. Even if you disliked the movie, the money still goes into the studio’s pockets.
    There’s much less risk involved in movies than in videogames.

    The simple fact is this, the videogame industry is still in puberty compared to the movie industry.
    Sooner or later, the EAs and the Ubisofts (and by extension Sony and Nintendo) will eventually realize that what they’re doing isn’t exactly a sustainable business model.
    The signs are there you know, we are about to get there. With indies and Kickstarters and the focus shifting into the mobile markets, we will eventually hit that equilibrium point where big companies uses the money they generate from less-risky markets to fund their AAA-titles instead of always relying on one AAA-title to fund the next one.

    Why do you think crappy slasher and horror movies still exists to this day?

    #35 2 years ago
  36. Cobra951

    I’m going to let Jim Sterling take point on this one:

    http://www.destructoid.com/used-games-and-aaa-games-are-incompatible-good–256227.phtml

    I don’t always agree with him, and his goofiness is grating, but I have to give credit where credit is due.

    #36 2 years ago
  37. polygem

    see, that´s why i don´t use twitter.

    btw it´s so obvious that he´s getting paid for this tweets and then he talks about “being played” and “free PR”…disgusting. guy has some nerves. another one on my “wont support anymore” list. seriously.

    #37 2 years ago
  38. Belmont

    Hey Cliffy

    Perhaps you are being played by making a fool of yourself while defending Microsoft.
    Microsoft is a company that fails 6 times out of ten. WP8 is fail,Windows RT is fail, Zune is dead, Surface tablet is fail.
    Xbox 360 was the only solid success (Windows,office and corporate solutions aside) Now it is in danger too.
    I don’t hate the name of Xbox, but when it is so terribly handled and presented by its owners, let it die !

    #38 2 years ago
  39. graffik

    Of course the fact that he stands to make a fortune out of the nextgen gears of war game on the xbone has absolutely no influence on his opinion what so ever right?

    #39 2 years ago
  40. UuBuU

    “You cannot have game and marketing budgets this high while also having used and rental games existing.”

    I’d sooner see the ridiculously huge budgets (which just get spent on meaningless fluff like graphics, not gameplay anyway) decrease than see used/rental games done away with.

    #40 2 years ago
  41. marijn1979

    Dave, why is this news? Cliff doesn’t have any more information about Sony’s policies than the rest of us. Why is the opinion of one loudmouth developer worthy of a news post? Once David Jaffe opens his big fat mouth again, are you going to post about that as well?

    #41 2 years ago
  42. Talkar

    @38
    I wouldn’t say WP8 is a fail since it is the most popular WP OS ever. I wouldn’t say Windows RT is a fail either considering i’ve seen a bunch of Windows RT tablets being used. A lot more Windows RT tablet than Android tablets actually.

    @41
    It generates traffic for the site. Kindda like what Kotaku does.

    #42 2 years ago
  43. SplatteredHouse

    @40: yes. And he’s still not quantified anything he’s been stating these recent days. “You can’t have…!”
    Why? *crickets*

    #43 2 years ago
  44. Lewis247

    @36

    “Good,” says I. I’ll take the used games and rentals. Let the videogame equivalent of inbred aristocracies wither and fucking rot.

    #44 2 years ago
  45. manamana

    He knows how to feed the gamingnews web. Chapeau!

    #45 2 years ago
  46. Belmont

    @38

    Sound thinking, WP8 is the best WP yet so it is the most popular WP ever. Like XOne will be the best and most popular Xbox if there is no DRM. But in the more grand scheme of things ,100 million of iPads and more iPhones (alongside android too !) It is hardly the healthiest in a world that Galaxy S line of Samsung has reached the sky in terms of sales.

    It appears irrelevant to consoles and gaming, but I want to say that Micro is in general not a “never makes a mistake” company.

    #46 2 years ago
  47. hitnrun

    As I said before, Bleszinski’s observably wrong, but even if he’s right, I think he’d be shocked at which side wins the “used games vs. AAA titles” dichotomy.

    #47 2 years ago
  48. heroes159

    WOW.. Look @ This comment section. What the fuck is going on lol :D . Just cause CLiffy B said something, there’s really no need to get angry lol. He is not working for MS or Sony. Its just his personal opinion.

    But anyway for some reasons , i think there’s a slight chance ,that what he is saying is true. Whatever Sony doing is perfect ,if its true. But its too damn perfect for now. normally nothing is perfect on gaming industry. that’s why im worried.

    #48 2 years ago
  49. Beta

    https://mobile.twitter.com/therealcliffyb/status/344930321382383616

    “Also if you haven’t figured out that half of my tweets are posted to get a reaction yet you’re an idiot. Kisses!”

    I wouldn’t take a lot of what he says 100% seriously.

    #49 2 years ago
  50. OwningXylophone

    @ Silk

    As post 35 said, the movie industry analogy doesn’t work. The market is significantly larger for a start, on top of that, movies have 3 distinct revenue streams: cinema, DVD/Blu-Ray/download sales & then the money made by pimping the films out to TV & streaming services a year down the line. Games have 1, retail.

    #50 2 years ago
  51. Edo

    Cliffy B is right,it’s a trap!!

    #51 2 years ago
  52. Hoika

    @48 true. I don’t trust the gaming industry either. But I have the feeling Sony’s going to go through with this… It all looks pretty authentic. They cut themselves before with the PS3, I don’t think they will let that happen again… Maybe, just maybe they actually learned from their mistakes. And judging from the last few years of the PS3 I would say they are very capable of learning from consumers…

    #52 2 years ago
  53. Talkar

    @50
    And digital (Origin), streaming (OnLive)

    #53 2 years ago
  54. Clupula

    God, every time I look at this asshole, all I can think of is how he probably reeks of Axe Body Spray and douche.

    Fucking hate him. I’ve said it once and I’ve said it before, he’s the Dane Cook of the gaming world and the less money given to a shitsack like him, the better. That’s all this is about. Trying to protect naked corporate greed, so he can keep living the good life.

    #54 2 years ago
  55. Phoenixblight

    @53

    THose are still retail….

    THe movie industry makes money off of 3 pipelines which the game industry just has one.

    #55 2 years ago
  56. Hoika

    @54 LOL! I think he still uses a roller so his own hairs stick to the ball. Making sure no other person uses HIS products…

    What did he do @ Epic BTW? Did he come up with Gears or was he just the face we saw covering us with his Bigger, Better, more Badass, self-worship-jizzz everytime a new Gears trailer was shown @ E3?

    #56 2 years ago
  57. Talkar

    @55
    How is OnLive retail?

    #57 2 years ago
  58. DSB

    @50 That doesn’t really hold up as an argument against though.

    The last Die Hard movie cost 92 million to make, and it earned 600 million before it ever touched a DVD, download or streaming service.

    A movie ticket in the US and abroad will rarely run you much more than 10 bucks.

    Whereas a videogame may have a budget of 50 million if it’s really flashy, selling for 60 bucks, and usually crammed with all sorts of DLC and micro-transaction nonsense, often bringing the total up to something like 80 bucks.

    Maybe the games industry just isn’t very good at producing and selling games.

    #58 2 years ago
  59. salarta

    Bleszinski: Troll of the year, all years.

    I don’t think I can take anything he says seriously anymore.

    Let me put it in simple, obvious terms: if Sony really was using the outrage toward Microsoft as a PR stunt and really did have something just as nefarious up their sleeves, then they would be SCREWED. Not only would they then receive the same outrage Microsoft has received, but that outrage would be multiplied like crazy. The dynamic would change from “Microsoft is the asshole, Sony is the good guy” to “they’re both assholes, but at least Microsoft is the asshole that’s honest about being an asshole.”

    Sony is not that stupid. Microsoft apparently is, but Sony, no.

    #59 2 years ago
  60. mistermogul

    Why are so many game developers such moaning bitches when it comes to used games?

    You don’t hear car manufacturers moaning that they “lost” sales due to people re-selling their motor. Nor do you hear the film industry complaining about used DVD/Blu-Ray sales, or Apple moaning about [idevice] being re-sold, Samsung worrying about second hand Galaxy phones, or how about artists complaining about people re-selling their paintings blah blah blah. I could list hundreds of manufacturers that produce something that DON’T complain about this yet I can only think of game developers that do. They need to sort their shit out.

    As many people have said, if you want more sales make a more desirable game. Advertise it more, create lots of DLC etc for extra revenue. But for the love of god please stop moaning that people are losing you sales and stop being so greedy. It’s doing my fucking head in…

    Side note – It was nice to hear Ed Sheeran talking about how he’s not bothered about piracy even though he’s had about 8 million illegal downloads of his album versus 2 million people who paid for it. He said he’s just happy that people are enjoying his music and is flattered it’s in demand. After all he’s still making good money out of it. Wouldn’t it be refreshing to hear CliffyB say something like that about his game? It would never happen.

    #60 2 years ago
  61. ps3fanboy

    little Cliffy here jumped in bed with the losing team, and now he has realized it, LOL… SHUT THE FUCK UP CLIFFY BOY!

    #61 2 years ago
  62. gamereck36

    Someone said it best ” Make better games and you would not have to worry about gamers trading in games”.

    #62 2 years ago
  63. TheBlackHole

    Anyone who genuinely believes that Sony had the end of their e3 presentation planned before Microsoft’s Xbox one reveal is kidding themselves.

    played a very good game, but they only four it this good because Microsoft announced their policies first.

    impossible for things in this industry to stay secret. Microsoft and Sony know what each other are doing, and if Sony didn’t have something similar planned they would have announced it during their own console reveal.

    They saw the reaction Microsoft got and changed their plans, I’d bet on it.

    Imho.

    #63 2 years ago
  64. Joe Musashi

    I’d certainly go as far to say that Sony are capitalising on the mis-steps of its competitor. Just as Microsoft have done. Just as we’d see in any industry.

    I think Sony have been able to get a lot of extra credit for shrugging their shoulders and not doing very much. It becomes disingenuous when they make some bold claim about their DRM policies being all about their trust in consumers etc. That’s just bullshit – they’re milking the situation for all they can.

    I don’t believe they’ve changed any plans they had. The contrast that their competitor has offered them makes their ‘no change’ stance look like affirmative action when it isn’t.

    But when one company fumbles the ball, it’s not a crime if the other picks it up.

    JM

    #64 2 years ago
  65. hitnrun

    @59: Seriously. Unlike Sony fans, I can see the monolithic amoral megacorporation turning the ratchet up on that stuff as time goes by if they perceive a profit to doing so, but the idea of Sony just saying “we lied! *click*” in January is fantastical.

    They’ve put their cards on the table for the near and medium future. There would be riots and lawsuits if they pulled a bait-and-switch. You can hide features and flaws in common law nations, but you can’t advertise the opposite of what you deliver.

    CliffyB is the Michael Bay of gaming. I say this as someone who played all 3 Gears games with a friend, laughing ourselves silly.

    Of course, I won’t be able to this gen, unless he lowers himself to sully his game with a platform that doesn’t embrace his version of The Future.

    #65 2 years ago
  66. BraveArse

    Three simple rules:

    Give the customer what they want.

    Never treat them like thieves.

    Never, ever, call them fools.

    #66 2 years ago
  67. TheBlackHole

    Also, plenty of amazing games fail to sell. It’s not always about quality. Our second hand for that matter.

    #67 2 years ago
  68. CaptPierce

    In other words: “Microsoft dick and money taste delicious for this Gears money they threw at me, and I need some attention by being the biggest contrarian in the gaming world.”

    If the shoe was on the other foot and Sony were doing this, he’d be pissing all over it saying “WE ARE GAMERS AND DESERVE TO BE TREATED LIKE CUSTOMERS NOT CRIMINALS” and praising the Xbox left and right.

    You are no Shinji Mikami, no Hideo Kojima, no Hideki Kamiya, no Amy Hennig, no Harvey Smith.

    He could be right about all this, seeing as it’s still up to the publisher, but Sony doesn’t have the DRM guidelines built in place like the Xbone does, so that would be out of their hands for a game developer. Sony says that I buy something, I own it, and I’m going to stick to that. The fact they acknowledge it, stand behind and don’t say quotes like “If you want backwards compatibility, YOU’RE backwards”, “deal with it” with a too bad so sad attitude isn’t going to make me want to waste money on their shit.

    He needs to just have a whole stadium full of seats.

    #68 2 years ago
  69. salarta

    @65: Yes. While I do think that Sony is making good use of the moment for PR, like any company in any industry would do in such a position, the idea that the PR push Sony’s doing right now is all based on deception and secretive future dickishness is just absurd to the point of idiotic. Sony would be pushing themselves into corporate suicide if they pulled a stunt like the one Bleszinski is suggesting.

    @68: But ONLY the seats. :D

    #69 2 years ago
  70. lookingglass

    He’s completely right. Something will give. Publishers are looking at both consoles right now and deciding how to approach the next generation.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a tax on PS4 players. $70 PS4 games and $60 XBO games. Pricing is beyond Sony’s control for third parties.

    I also wouldn’t be surprised if publishers colluded to force anti-used games measures on the industry as a whole. Sony and publishers have been tight lipped about DRM with Sony quietly saying they allow it, and publishers not saying a word.

    You’ll whine and complain just like you always do, but if you want ever improving, high quality experiences and not just hundreds of indie side scrollers, then you’ll have to #DealWithIt.

    #70 2 years ago
  71. epic beast

    @Jimfear-666

    People that call others fanboys are in fact the fanboy.

    #71 2 years ago
  72. Lengendaryboss

    @70
    I wonder if all fanboys hear themselves when typing this stuff up :D

    #72 2 years ago
  73. salarta

    @71: No Jim, YOU are the fanboy!

    And then Jim bought an XBox.

    #73 2 years ago
  74. Maabren

    Cliff Bleszinski should care more about his own shitty games. This sounds just like an asshole climbing out of MS’ crappy XO but.

    #74 2 years ago
  75. DSB

    @70 “You’ll whine and complain just like you always do, but if you want ever improving, high quality experiences and not just hundreds of indie side scrollers, then you’ll have to #DealWithIt.”

    Pretty much sums up Microsofts PR approach at the moment. I wonder why people tend not to like them very much?

    Really though, people don’t have to deal with anything, as long as there’s a competing console on the market that actually suits their needs. They might even save 100 bucks in the process. Win/win.

    #75 2 years ago
  76. NeutralBlade

    Cliffy has made it quite clear in the past that his very pro-DRM stance makes him anti-consumer. He’s a “maximize profits by any means necessary” kind of guy.

    @70 Xbox loyalists shouldn’t be so quick to side with a man that would turn on you at a moment’s notice.

    #76 2 years ago
  77. DjPuffnStuff

    Oh thanks cliff. “no more used games” Let’s just get people to wanna pirate even more games :D that will solve the problem!

    #77 2 years ago
  78. Rafa_L

    I think both microsoft and sony has cards up their sleeves.

    If the consoles launch and no one buys the xbox, they are going to lower the prices, maybe loosen the authentication period, allow more sharing, etc. If down the road xbox games are cheaper, ps4 starts to lose sales, lose some third party support, then they are going to implement similar policies. I’m not saying it’s going to happen like that, but I think anything is possible.

    #78 2 years ago
  79. orakaa

    Wow, a “warning” from a guy who worked for half a decade exclusively for Microsoft and still is in connection with them? How interesting… oh, no, wait: BULLSHIT

    And besides, there’s nothing good that can come out from a guy that is SO MUCH anti-consumers. “His” vision of gaming is one where there are no used games, where we pay more per games and we loose ownership over our products.

    He’s just mad because Sony isn’t going the same road as Microsoft, otherwise he would have kept his hypocritic mouth shut.

    #79 2 years ago
  80. TD_Monstrous69

    The best ploy to get someone else to pay for your dinner. Well played Cliffy B, well played.
    Though in all seriousness, I’m really scratching my head at this one. This is a moment where a rather smart and clever developer goes from being a smart and clever developer, to a crazy, metal-hat-wearing conspiracy theorist, building ideas from nothing more but nickel and dime statistics. Also, it’s great when someone goes and talks about a product or service, and slams an aspect of it without remembering something specifically mentioned to the very point of his critique, and that’s the issue of DRM with the PS4 would be left up to 3rd party publishers on their games, but Sony itself, would not be using it on its own games.

    #80 2 years ago
  81. MadFlavour

    I dearly hope to punch Cliffy B right in his fucking mouth before I die.

    #81 2 years ago
  82. Kilo-Lima

    I totally agree. They’ve got something up their sleeve and people aren’t going to be happy.

    #82 2 years ago
  83. Rosseu

    I like his face. He really looks like a genuine douchebag

    #83 2 years ago
  84. Irani

    SHANE TO SONY , SONY You Are Bloody Bit…ch , Death To SONY

    #84 2 years ago
  85. BrahManDude

    yeah it might be but i don’t want a god damn kinect looking at me

    #85 2 years ago
  86. ps3fanboy

    Cliffy you ass smock, get over your high horse!!!

    #86 2 years ago
  87. Kabby

    Look at my horse, my horse is amazing.

    #87 2 years ago
  88. m2stech

    I told Cliff to never go full retard, but he didnt listen.

    #88 2 years ago
  89. YoungZer0

    @87: It tastes just like raisins.

    #89 2 years ago
  90. modula

    As evidenced by all the layoffs / studio closures of late, the industry is struggling. I think that to say Sony are essentially lying is naive – after how they showboated their policies on all of this (the sarcy video?!) it would destroy any confidence in them if they 180′d on it. However, there is absolutely nothing to stop publishers issuing single player passes with their games…

    #90 2 years ago
  91. Telepathic.Geometry

    I don’t really like Cliffy B. He’s obviously a very intelligent guy, and articulate and whatnot, but just like Peter Molyneux, he’s all mouth. He’s either trolling, or selling something or just plain bullshitting.

    And it’s a shame, because a guy like that must have a really deep understanding of all of this shit, but you’ll never know if he’s just going for a reaction, or promoting something or joking or being serious, so ya kinda just have to throw out everything he says for your own sake.

    — — — — —Cliffy B aside— — — — —

    In my opinion, it’s a real shame when a games company decides to abandon its customers. MS have decided, for whatever reasons, that all of their customers with no or poor internet access, or customers in the military/navy, or even customers in certain countries are no longer wanted.

    As someone who has a 100MBit internet line, and buys about 2/3 of his games new, I wouldn’t really have a problem with the restrictions. But I don’t trust MS to take care of their customers. I could see them shutting down the servers to those games a year or so after the Xbox Two came out. It’s not unthinkable…

    #91 2 years ago
  92. AwesomeGus

    @61 you seem a bit aggravated… What if sony is just playing you? But even if they aren’t, I think xbox has a better way of selling/sharing games

    #92 2 years ago
  93. Puggy

    Well, I understand that devs don’t want people to trade in their games. Since every game trade in is profit they did not make.

    Simple solutions, if you can not take the pressure of the AAA Market would be you change your genre to P2P MMOs. There you do not care about the trade in Accounts, since they have to pay every month anyway.

    Alternatively, give the buyer a reason to keep the game. Right now, I have none after finishing the game once or twice. There is no advantage for me there to not sell the game. Sure one or two might turn into collector things and rise to about twice the buy price.
    But that is what, like 1 game in 30, even less? Not really worth it in my eyes.

    So come on mister AAA, 50 Million game designing people. Give me/us a reason to keep your games. Like +1 % price reduction on your next “Generic Shooter X” for each game I own from that Series.

    Or allow content to be activated only by having the some old game at your place, maybe add some bonus options to the game. Infinite Ammo, Super macho uber difficulty hyper force mode, stuff like that.

    Generally saying, if you want me to keep your game, you better give me a reason to. Well, or just make it impossible for me to trade the game, but then… yeah I might not buy it. After all I play most games for the Plot and the story, so I will just watch a lets play on Youtube, or maybe even download all the video sequences and watch it on my TV.

    #93 2 years ago
  94. zersus

    @76 That is why I call him Bling-Bling-Blingzinski. I hate him, please vg247 stop covering this greedy guy.

    #94 2 years ago
  95. MadFlavour

    @90 a part of course from the lack of always on internet. They could issue them, but enforcing them would be impossible.

    #95 2 years ago
  96. sg1974

    Some devs make games I want one day one.

    Some devs make games I never want to trade.

    Some.

    #96 2 years ago
  97. Vice

    I don’t like this guy, but he always makes sense. And he’s right in this case too. Sony is well known for patenting anti-used games measures, just google it. Sony just knows it’s not the right time yet. When xboxone will get away with it, Sony will add same shit. Maybe in next generation, but they WILL add it. Stop making Sony a good guy who cares about customers — all they care about is money, just like MS. MS just has balls to go out with it and say “fuck you, you gonna HAVE to log in once every 24 hrs and you gonna HAVE to pay for used games. We don’t CARE what you think”. Douchbaggery unlimited? Yes. Do we have a choice? Well… Yeah. I can stick to my PC and pirated games, before they all go always-online. But I sure as hell gonna miss my favorite Halo’s and Gears of War.
    Even though I personally don’t give a damn about used games — I only buy exclusive games which I know are awesome, everything else I prefer for PC. What really makes me mad is always — online shit. Or even online checks. They can go fuck themselves with it.

    #97 2 years ago
  98. MangoMantang

    It has worked for the whole console history, why should this system suddenly stop working?

    #98 2 years ago
  99. hinuhws

    Maybe video game studios need to stop having such ridiculously inflated budgets. The Witcher games cost under 10 million to make and still look and play better than the majority of AAA games.

    #99 2 years ago

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