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Mutant Mudds developer expresses frustration with Steam Greenlight

Monday, 22 April 2013 02:07 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Renegade Kid’s Jools Whatsham has expressed his disappointment in both of Steam’s submission processes, which have so far failed to secure a release slot for the very well received Mutant Mudds.

In a blog post on Gamasutra, Whatsham said his initial Steam submission was rejected with no feedback, as per Steam’s policy, which strongly contrasted with his experiences working with Nintendo.

“When we submit a game to Nintendo they test the game to ensure it does not crash or have any major bugs that impede gameplay. If the game contains any issues in this regard Nintendo sends us a report that explains why the game was failed. We fix it and resubmit. Nintendo works with developers where needed to isolate issues and correct them,” he said.

“Valve is a successful company that is reportedly in good financial shape. With this in mind I assumed they would have a robust team in place that provided a similar submission service as Nintendo.”

Baffled by the abrupt rejection of a game that has already proved its chops on 3DS, Whatsham took heart when Steam Greenlight was announced – he and many others assumed Valve had rejected the game so it could be part of the Greenlight process.

Unfortunately, Mutant Mudds has not succeeded, climbing as high as #40 at one point but mostly stuck around #80, with 30,000 votes split almost equally between “Yes” and “No”.

“It quickly seemed as though the games that were being received well on Greenlight were either first-person games, contained zombies, and/or were supported by a built-in PC community or a unique publicity angle. Mutant Mudds could not find its audience. Greenlight is, after all, a popularity contest,” Whatsham continued.

“Some seem put-out by calling it this. There is nothing wrong with it being a popularity contest. Isn’t that the point of asking a community of thousands to vote? It is what it is. But, now do I need to launch a dedicated PR campaign to get my game(s) noticed and accepted on Steam?”

Since the post went live, the Steam Greenlight campaign has drawn a lot of attention, and as of the latest update, has attracted over 18,000 “yes” votes. Renegade Kid is hoping to receive around 35,000, the usual number for games in the top 20 Greenlight charts.

Mutant Mudds is available on 3DS via the eShop as well as GOG, Gamersgate, Desura and the App Store.

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19 Comments

  1. Francis O

    Wow, I can’t believe this…… A developer praising Nintendo over Valve and Steam. I’m going to check my window to see if pigs are flying!

    In all seriousness. Nintendo has came a long way since WiiWare and the DSi Shop. A lot of small/indie developers are praising Nintendo for their efforts on the 3DS and Wii U eShop.

    I love the service myself, as Runner 2, 30 cents for classic titles, and MiiVerse has me completely content with Nintendo’s online services.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Clupula

    @1 – Do you ever talk just like a normal person and not an ad for Nintendo products?

    #2 2 years ago
  3. DSB

    It is pretty Kafkaesque, but if your game is polished enough, it stands a pretty good chance. Mutant Mudds doesn’t look very good at first glance, and that’s obviously a problem.

    Either way, Greenlight is definitely letting games onto the service that would never had had a chance before, and I see plenty that have nothing to do with shooters or zombies.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. Francis O

    @2 Clupula, do you ever stop trolling Nintendo articles on VG247?

    #4 2 years ago
  5. Clupula

    @5 – First, this isn’t really a Nintendo article. They get mentioned for a second, but it’s about Steam Greenlight. You, being the rabid fanboy you are, decided to take the little mention of them and turn it into you being the back end of a Reggie/Miyamoto/you human centipede.

    Second, it’s not so much Nintendo, as you. When you talk bullshit, you get called out on it. Simple deal.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. Francis O

    @6
    It’s kind of a Nintendo article, but whatever. I don’t see how I’m a rabid fanboy when I defend Nintendo from trolls like you. I like Nintendo, so what? I got a PS3 and Xbox 360 as well. Plus a nice Gaming Asus PC, you don’t know me bitch.

    I’m not talking any bullshit, you constantly troll Nintendo articles and news. You don’t like Nintendo, yet take the liberty at bashing almost anything they do. I don’t bash Sony and MS like you bash Nintendo.

    And don’t get all tough over a internet message board, calling me out? GTFO troll.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. Clupula

    @7 – If you look closely, as I said, it’s less Nintendo-bashing…and more you-bashing.

    You’re pretty annoying, Francis (said in the Pee-Wee Herman voice). You speak almost entirely in Reggie-esque P.R. talk, although now, you’re getting all Jesse Pinkman with the liberal use of “bitch.” Hey, I totally get that you’re the blowfish, but if it makes you feel any better, I call out people face-to-face all the time. I don’t hide who I am. My screenname is my name. I’m not some anonymous poster. I’m pretty clear about who I am.

    And you annoy me. This is an article about Steam Greenlight. They say something nice about Nintendo. Okay, fine, you pointing out that it’s rare for a developer to do so is perfectly okay. That’s how conversations happen.

    But then, you suddenly start going all propaganda on everybody with, ” A lot of small/indie developers are praising Nintendo for their efforts on the 3DS and Wii U eShop,” even going so far as to start giving out prices for games, like you’re a frigging press release or something.

    I don’t hate Nintendo. I don’t hate any company. I may hate the people behind the company. I may think they make stupid decisions and don’t innovate, but a company’s just a company. They exist to make money. Sell a product, make a profit. Boom.

    Now, if you were just a rabid fanboy, that’d be irritating enough, but you always always have to go out of your way to sound like you’re trying to sell us something, like you’re trying to justify your fanboyism to the rest of us. And it’s annoying.

    So when I see you doing it, I call you out. Take a look at most Nintendo articles and lo and behold, you probably won’t see me in the comments until you start preaching the Miyamoto gospel. Last time I spoke about Nintendo unsolicited was in the article about Japanese sales figures, and that was really just to rub it in YOUR face that I was right and you were wrong about their sales picking up full-time. I said it was just a spike and said it was the beginning of the Wii U dominating Japan and I was right, you were wrong. Just wanted to say it.

    So, in conclusion, I don’t bash any company. I call it like I see it. Before Nintendo unveiled the disaster that is the Wii U, I actually was looking forward to what Nintendo were going to reveal, in the hopes that it actually was going to be the first true next-gen system, not some late-to-the-party current gen system with a gimmick controller.

    Anyway, as this is not an article about Nintendo, I don’t see the point in arguing with you about it any further. I’m going to take the high road and back off.

    You wanna meet in the schoolyard at 3 and settle this?

    #7 2 years ago
  8. polygem

    i loved this game on the 3ds. a tough old school 2d Platformer. very old school yet fresh with great music. i was the perfect target audience for a game like this :)
    that said, i think this is one of the games that really do benefit a lot from the 3d effect. without it it loses half of the charme.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. Francis O

    @8

    Indie developers have been praising the Wii U eShop.
    http://www.develop-online.net/news/42665/Indies-praise-lack-of-restrictions-on-Wii-U-eShop

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-01-10-how-nintendo-is-making-wii-u-indie-friendly

    I’m not lying. The proof is above. So please STFU now. Hopefully you take the high road and don’t ever come back.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. Old MacDonald

    Greenlight is dreadful, and now it’s being misused by Kickstarter-devs as well. Whenever someone is running a high profile Kickstarter they start a Greenlight-campaign at the same time, as a PR tool. And tons of fans flock to it, resulting in a speedy ascent through the ranks.

    So we get tons of greenlighted games that won’t be out for two years (and would probably have gotten on Steam anyway), while the current indie stuff that Greenlight was apparently made for is just sitting there.

    Valve went from being indie-friendly to perhaps the most indie-unfriendly company in the business. Except maybe Microsoft (for now).

    Edit: And stop going on and on about Nintendo.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. Clupula

    @10 – Oh, Francis, you’d miss me too much if I left. You obviously enjoy it when I play rough.

    Anyway, I wasn’t disputing that some developers do, indeed, have a positive experience with Nintendo. It’s how you phrase it that just irks me. As I said, it’s like you’re writing press releases at all times.

    Example of something a normal person would say: “I really like the 3DS. It’s got a lot of games I enjoy playing on it and I’m glad it’s doing well in Japan.”

    Example of something a P.R. shill would say: “The 3DS is dominating all of Japan, far outselling both the PS3 and the Vita. With the multitude of third party titles due out for the system, the choice is clear which system Japan prefers.”

    I wouldn’t have a problem with the first one. That’s how a human being expresses they like something. The second is how you speak. No one on earth speaks like that unless they’re getting paid to do it or they’ve been in a reprogramming center for the last few years of their life.

    That’s why you annoy me.

    That and the fact that even though this isn’t an article about Nintendo, you’ll be damned if you’re not going to try to force the comments to be.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Clupula

    @11 – Has this been a problem for other indies? I must admit this is the first I’ve heard of it, but I’m curious to read more if this is a persistent problem.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Francis O

    @12 and 13

    Whatever makes you sleep at night troll.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. CyberMarco

    Stop bitching around both of you and just chill out!

    #14 2 years ago
  15. Clupula

    @14 – Okay, seriously? You do realize that that was the absolute perfect set up for a mom joke. Don’t throw me softballs, Francis.

    @15 – I tried to let it go, but he kept going. I think he has a crush. If he’ll be quiet, I’ll be quiet.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. monkeygourmet

    I wonder when Clupula will see how his conversations with Francis O, almost exactly mirror the ones I had with Dragon…

    Ahhh…

    The circle of life…

    #16 2 years ago
  17. Clupula

    @17 – Cue the sunrise. lol

    #17 2 years ago
  18. silkvg247

    @3 HackSlashLoot on the other hand, looks amazing? Since when is it about graphics..?

    #18 2 years ago
  19. PC_PlayBoy

    I played Mutant Mudds on the 3DS and it was shite. I voted NO on Greenlight. There are better games on there that deserve my vote.

    Greenlight is awesome. There is nothing like it on consoles, or anywhere else for that matter. Plus the games that have been successful on Greenlight have been of great quality: Agarest: Generations of War, Shovel Knight, Death Inc, Dreamfall Chapters: The Longest Journey, Black Mesa, Frozen Endzone, Primordia, LAMULANA, Fly’N, Dawn of Fantasy: Kingdom Wars, Miasmata, etc.

    This is just a pissed developer with a shite game that can’t get Greenlit.

    #19 2 years ago

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    Tony Hawk Pro Skater 5 has been announced by Activision, which isn’t shocking in the slightest. Correction: My stupid brain has EA on it due to the financials release later today. The game is being published by Activision. Not EA and I previously stated. I apologize, and have reprimanded myself in a most sever manner. […]

  • Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain Collector’s Edition is sold out in the UK

    Hopefully, you pre-ordered the Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain Collector’s Edition in the UK already. If not, you are likely out of luck. According to GAME, the pack which contains the Half Scale Replica of Snake’s Bionic Arm has sold out in the UK. The retailer confirmed the news to Videogamer this morning. […]

  • Far Cry 4 Complete Edition coming June 19 for PC, PS4 to the UK

    A Far Cry 4 Complete Edition has been announced and it includes the full game as well as the Season Pass. This is the sku which popped up on Amazon Germany earlier in the week. The Season Pass provides access to five separate pieces of DLC. Here’s a refresher on the DLC content: The Syringe: […]

  • The Witcher 3: live Q&A stream with CDP, new monster dev diary inside

    The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is out in just two weeks, and if you want to know more about Geralt’s latest adventure, CD Projekt is hosting a live Q&A now on Twitch. There’s also a new developer diary below which focuses on monster in the game. The Witcher 3 is out on May 19. Huzzah! […]

  • Forza Horizon 2′s Alpinestars Car Pack has five cars and is ready for download

    The Alpinestars Car Pack for Forza Horizon 2 is out now on Xbox One and its the only way you will ever be able to afford a 1992 Bugatti EB110 Super Sport. Unless, of course, you win the lottery or are left in some rich person’s will. In that case, I’ll take the ’53 Corvette, […]

  • Shadow of Mordor – Game of the Year Edition is now available in North America

    Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor – Game of the Year Edition has been released in North America. It will be made available in the Europe on May 7 and in the UK May 8 for £49.99 on consoles and £34.99 on PC. As previously announced, this edition contains all previously released DLC content as well as […]

  • Two GAME exclusive versions of Halo 5: Guardians now available for pre-order

    GAME has announced two exclusive versions of Halo 5: Guardians, and both are now available for pre-order exclusively through one of the retail chain’s 318 stores or online. The £79.99 Limited Edition Halo 5: Guardians, which delivers new digital content wrapped in a steel book. There’s also the £199.99 Halo 5: Guardians Limited Collector’s Edition […]

  • Deals with Gold: Far Cry 4, Assassin’s Creed Unity, Bioshock Infinite, more

    Microsoft has announced its latest Deals with Gold discounts for Xbox Live Gold members. Franchises on sale include Far Cry, Call of Duty, along with individual titles Assassin’s Creed Unity and Bioshock Infinite. The full list is below. Bioshock Infinite discounts are available for both Xbox Live Gold and Silver members. Xbox One Far Cry […]

  • Wolfenstein: The Old Blood has released, watch the launch trailer here

    Wolfenstein: The Old Blood has launched on PC, PlayStation 4 and Xbox One. You can watch the launch trailer for it below. Boxed copies in Europe arrive from May 15, and in Australia/New Zealand on May 14. You can grab digital copies from the following online services: Steam, PlayStation Network, Xbox Store.

  • GOG’s online service GOG Galaxy is now in open beta

    GOG Galaxy, the DRM-free online gaming platform from the folks at GOG, has left Alpha and is now in open beta for all to try. As previously announced, the online service, similar to Steam, is option. Players do not need to play online as all games are stored by the service and can be played […]

  • DayZ-inspired Goat Simulator DLC GoatZ is out this week on Steam

    Goat Simulator players can download DayZ-inspired DLC this week called GoatZ. According to Coffee Stain Studios, GoatZ is “the only survival game on Steam that isn’t in Early Access.” Jokingly of course. The DLC features: Mandatory crafting system because everyone else is doing it. Zombies that bug out. There’s a pun here about actual living […]

  • No, Far Cry 4 is not currently free on PSN

    You may have seen a few Tweets from people saying that the PS4 version of Far Cry 4 is available to download from PSN for free. This is not true. A few readers have tipped us off to what looked like a glitch on PSN that allowed players to download the full version of Far […]

  • Metal Gear Solid: The 1984 Collection confirmed to be a clothing line

    Konami is teasing a Metal Gear Solid thing called “The 1984 Collection.” The Metal Gear Solid Facebook page posted this image about an hour ago: The caption reads, “Step back into the 80′s with our new MGS collection coming very soon! Stay tuned!” This is supposedly in reference to the clothing line that was announced […]

  • Portal, The Simpsons, Jurassic World & Scooby Doo packs listed for Lego Dimensions

    Lego Dimensions is likely getting a few unannounced content packs. One of which is themed around Valve’s Portal. A set of unannounced content packs for the upcoming Lego Dimensions have been revealed by US retailer Walmart. The listings include packs for The Simpsons, Scooby Doo and Jurassic World, and most interestingly, Portal. The listings have […]

  • This is the most authentic recreation of GTA 2 in real life ever

    Affordable drones have many uses. Most of them are not nearly as exciting as recreating GTA 2 in real life. I am surprised it took us this long, but someone has finally captured footage using a drone that resembles the protagonist’s experience in the classic GTA 2. These aren’t just shots of cars from a […]

  • PlayStation 4 sales reach 2m in the UK

    Sony has sold 2 million PlayStation 4 consoles in the UK, faster than it did with the PlayStation 2 – the company’s best-selling machine in the country. MCVUK is reporting that as of last weekend, 2 million PlayStation 4s have been sold in the UK. The data is based on GfK Chart-Track estimates. This makes […]

  • H1Z1 gets female characters, skin colour options planned

    In an effort to improve diversity in the game, H1Z1 developer has added female characters. Female survivors can now be found throughout the world of H1Z1. Developer Daybreak added the new feature in a patch released last Friday. You will be able to choose a female avatar in the main game and in Battle Royale. […]

  • Possible teaser site for Castlevania creator Koji “IGA” Igarashi’s new game opens

    Either Castlevania creator Koji “IGA” Igarashi is working on a soon-to-be-launched Kickstarter for his new game, or someone is pulling an elaborate prank. At PAX Prime last year, during Keiji Inafune’s Mighty No. 9 panel, a flyer was handed out to attendees that showed what appeared to be a 2D game of some sort with […]

  • Destiny weekly reset for May 5: Heroic and Nightfall strikes detailed

    Tuesday is here and Destiny’s weekly reset is also here. Bungie announced that your weekly Destiny grind has now begun. The Nightfall and Heroic strikes are now live too. This week’s strike is Winter’s Run. Rainbow burn is back for the Nightfall, which means you do more damage with all elemental weapons, but also receive […]

  • PC version of Project Cars delayed in Australia due to severe weather

    Recent weather conditions in Sydney, Australia are responsible for a slight delay of the PC version of Project Cars in the country. Sydney recently suffered from storms that caused flooding in some areas. One of those is the place where publisher Namco Bandai was storing PC copies of Project Cars. The stock was “severely damaged,” […]

  • Twitch’s new process makes it easier for streamers to appeal flagged content

    Twitch has updated its appeals process concerning videos that have been flagged by the audio ID system. Towards the end of last year, Twitch introduced a new audio recognition system that scans archived streams and automatically mutes the audio whenever copyright music is identified. The system has been in-use ever since and Twitch has today […]

  • The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt has a day one patch, but it’s not a major one

    The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt will indeed have a day one patch, to make the first-time experience as smooth as possible. Like many modern games, The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt will have its day one patch. According to the developer however, it wasn’t born out of necessity. Miles Tost, level designer at developer CD Projekt […]

  • CoD: Advanced Warfare owners get free pistol today

    Advanced Warfare developer Sledgehammer Games is adding a new pistol to the game, free to all players. The M1 Irons is a new pistol that comes to Advanced Warfare starting today. The weapon is offered as a thank you gift from the developer. Sledgehammer says the Irons is good at range and packs a punch. […]

  • Fall down the Skullgirls Big Band music video rabbit hole with me

    Skullgirls is a pretty amazing fighting game, but did you know it’s also a passable music creation suite? Earlier today I was idly perusing an episode of PlayStation Underground showing off Skullgirls 2nd Encore, a re-release of the indie fighter packing in loads of new features and coming to PS4 – with full cross-play! – […]

  • The many uses of Wolfenstein: The Old Blood’s pipe weapon

    Wolfenstein: The Old Blood adds a sick new weapon to BJ’s arsenal: a pipe. In Wolfenstein: The Old Blood, a pipe is not just a pipe. Not only can you bash nazis with it, you can use it to climb walls, reach hatches, and even break through some walls. Plus? You can dual wield it. […]

  • Mortal Kombat X teaser gives first look at Predator

    Mortal Kombat X’s next celebrity guest was teased during the latest Kast. Today’s Mortal Kombat X Kast was mostly about all about Jason, but also included a very brief nod to Predator. You can watch the full livestream to see the tease in situ if you’re really keen, but IGN shared this convenient edit: There’s […]

  • Rock Band 4 has count-ins, drum fills and vocal harmonies

    Rock Band 4 will more closely emulate the feeling of being a real musician with some neat personalisation touches. For Rock Band 4, Harmonix elected to double down on player ownership of their experience rather than technical precision. To this end, it has implemented a number of cool new features. I am wildly envious of […]

  • Yaiba: Ninja Gaiden Z, Lost Planet 3 developer shuttered

    Spark Unlimited has gone down with all hands. The Yaiba: Ninja Gaiden Z and Lost Planet 3 developer has been shuttered and all staff laid off. Chief technical officer John Butrovich confirmed the news in a statement issued to IGN. “Spark Unlimited is closing as a video game developer. The ongoing opportunities for smaller mobile […]

  • PS Now subscription available on PlayStation 3 this month, Vita coming soon

    PlayStation Now’s all you can eat service has finally been dated for PS3. Subscriptions to PS Now, Sony’s cloud-based gaming service, will be available on PS3 from May 12 in the US. The all you can eat package will also be made available on select Bravia TVs and Sony Blu-ray players on the same date. […]

  • GTA 5 is even better with a gravity gun

    GTA 5 modders have made a dream come true, adding a gravity gun to your arsenal of mayhem-causing weaponry. GTA 5 isn’t ready for this. It looks like a heck of a lot of fun, but the poor old Los Santos po po can’t deal with the resulting carnage at all. If Rockstar were ever […]

  • “Mod makers should be able to make money from their creations,” says DOOM creator

    DOOM co-creator John Romero has weighed in on the paid mods debate. Paid mods are a hot issue right now. For years, Valve has been enabling content creators to make money from their work on Counter-strike: Global offensive, Dota 2 and Team Fortress 2, but when it partnered with Bethesda to offer the same for […]

  • Watch WRC driver Kevin Abbring smash through a DIRT Rally challenge

    WRC driver Kevin Abbring has been participating in Dirt Rally’s daily events – and kicking ass. Dirt Rally seems to have ticked one of the most difficult to attain boxes of racing development – creating something professional drivers like to play, and which rewards their years of experience. Codemasters published the video below showing Hyundai […]

  • Mortal Kombat X patch to bring PC version up to console standard

    Mortal Kombat X PC will be fixed tomorrow, NetherRealm has promised. The PC version of Mortal Kombat X has come under fire for poor performance, including stuttering frame rate and bugs as plenty. About 45 minutes into a recent Twitch stream, NetherRealm boss Ed Boon said an update will drop tomorrow to address many of […]

  • Destiny House of Wolves: all new Crucible maps detailed

    Destiny’s House of Wolves DLC will add four new maps to the Crucible, the game’s competitive multiplayer mode. Let’s take a look at all of them. Alex brings you new footage showing all of the four maps that will drop with House of Wolves. He goes over the layout, landmarks, gameplay styles, and other important […]

  • Custom Xbox One Star Wars controllers look very tempting

    Microsoft is celebrating May 4 by showing off concept designs for Star Wars-themed Xbox One controllers. May 4 is of course Star Wars Day and the controller concepts you’re about to see are just that, concepts. Or at least that’s what they said they are. There are four designs and they don’t look very practical. […]

  • Project Cars launch trailer is an anthology of race cars, set to the beats of Deadmau5

    Project Cars comes out this week and there’s just enough time for one last trailer. Project Cars, Slightly Mad Studios’ ambitious racer that has been in development for ages, is finally coming out this week. The racer received plenty of changes throughout its development based on community feedback and the final product will be in […]

  • Star Wars Battlefront dev reveals planet Sullust

    Sullust, a planet that has not been previously shown, will be featured in one of Star Wars Battlefront’s maps. Star Wars Battlefront developer DICE revealed today that planet Sullust will be one of the game’s locations. The planet was mentioned in the films and other Star Wars works, but was only shown today. DICE posted […]

  • Destiny House of Wolves: Tower vendor changes

    House of Wolves will change the inventory of some of Destiny’s vendors and add new roles to others. Here’s everything that has been announced so far. You know that House of Wolves will bring a new social space to the game in the form of The Reef. But did you also know that the good […]

  • Nintendo apologises for Amiibo shortages, will reissue some out-of-stock figures

    Nintendo released a statement today to apologise for fan’s frustrations in finding some Amiibo figures and promised to handle distribution better going forward. Nintendo has been criticised recently for its lack of communication when it comes to new Amiibo figures. Something which has lead fans to not know if certain figures are limited to some […]