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Mutant Mudds developer expresses frustration with Steam Greenlight

Monday, 22 April 2013 02:07 GMT By Brenna Hillier

Renegade Kid’s Jools Whatsham has expressed his disappointment in both of Steam’s submission processes, which have so far failed to secure a release slot for the very well received Mutant Mudds.

In a blog post on Gamasutra, Whatsham said his initial Steam submission was rejected with no feedback, as per Steam’s policy, which strongly contrasted with his experiences working with Nintendo.

“When we submit a game to Nintendo they test the game to ensure it does not crash or have any major bugs that impede gameplay. If the game contains any issues in this regard Nintendo sends us a report that explains why the game was failed. We fix it and resubmit. Nintendo works with developers where needed to isolate issues and correct them,” he said.

“Valve is a successful company that is reportedly in good financial shape. With this in mind I assumed they would have a robust team in place that provided a similar submission service as Nintendo.”

Baffled by the abrupt rejection of a game that has already proved its chops on 3DS, Whatsham took heart when Steam Greenlight was announced – he and many others assumed Valve had rejected the game so it could be part of the Greenlight process.

Unfortunately, Mutant Mudds has not succeeded, climbing as high as #40 at one point but mostly stuck around #80, with 30,000 votes split almost equally between “Yes” and “No”.

“It quickly seemed as though the games that were being received well on Greenlight were either first-person games, contained zombies, and/or were supported by a built-in PC community or a unique publicity angle. Mutant Mudds could not find its audience. Greenlight is, after all, a popularity contest,” Whatsham continued.

“Some seem put-out by calling it this. There is nothing wrong with it being a popularity contest. Isn’t that the point of asking a community of thousands to vote? It is what it is. But, now do I need to launch a dedicated PR campaign to get my game(s) noticed and accepted on Steam?”

Since the post went live, the Steam Greenlight campaign has drawn a lot of attention, and as of the latest update, has attracted over 18,000 “yes” votes. Renegade Kid is hoping to receive around 35,000, the usual number for games in the top 20 Greenlight charts.

Mutant Mudds is available on 3DS via the eShop as well as GOG, Gamersgate, Desura and the App Store.

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19 Comments

  1. Francis O

    Wow, I can’t believe this…… A developer praising Nintendo over Valve and Steam. I’m going to check my window to see if pigs are flying!

    In all seriousness. Nintendo has came a long way since WiiWare and the DSi Shop. A lot of small/indie developers are praising Nintendo for their efforts on the 3DS and Wii U eShop.

    I love the service myself, as Runner 2, 30 cents for classic titles, and MiiVerse has me completely content with Nintendo’s online services.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Clupula

    @1 – Do you ever talk just like a normal person and not an ad for Nintendo products?

    #2 2 years ago
  3. DSB

    It is pretty Kafkaesque, but if your game is polished enough, it stands a pretty good chance. Mutant Mudds doesn’t look very good at first glance, and that’s obviously a problem.

    Either way, Greenlight is definitely letting games onto the service that would never had had a chance before, and I see plenty that have nothing to do with shooters or zombies.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. Francis O

    @2 Clupula, do you ever stop trolling Nintendo articles on VG247?

    #4 2 years ago
  5. Clupula

    @5 – First, this isn’t really a Nintendo article. They get mentioned for a second, but it’s about Steam Greenlight. You, being the rabid fanboy you are, decided to take the little mention of them and turn it into you being the back end of a Reggie/Miyamoto/you human centipede.

    Second, it’s not so much Nintendo, as you. When you talk bullshit, you get called out on it. Simple deal.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. Francis O

    @6
    It’s kind of a Nintendo article, but whatever. I don’t see how I’m a rabid fanboy when I defend Nintendo from trolls like you. I like Nintendo, so what? I got a PS3 and Xbox 360 as well. Plus a nice Gaming Asus PC, you don’t know me bitch.

    I’m not talking any bullshit, you constantly troll Nintendo articles and news. You don’t like Nintendo, yet take the liberty at bashing almost anything they do. I don’t bash Sony and MS like you bash Nintendo.

    And don’t get all tough over a internet message board, calling me out? GTFO troll.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. Clupula

    @7 – If you look closely, as I said, it’s less Nintendo-bashing…and more you-bashing.

    You’re pretty annoying, Francis (said in the Pee-Wee Herman voice). You speak almost entirely in Reggie-esque P.R. talk, although now, you’re getting all Jesse Pinkman with the liberal use of “bitch.” Hey, I totally get that you’re the blowfish, but if it makes you feel any better, I call out people face-to-face all the time. I don’t hide who I am. My screenname is my name. I’m not some anonymous poster. I’m pretty clear about who I am.

    And you annoy me. This is an article about Steam Greenlight. They say something nice about Nintendo. Okay, fine, you pointing out that it’s rare for a developer to do so is perfectly okay. That’s how conversations happen.

    But then, you suddenly start going all propaganda on everybody with, ” A lot of small/indie developers are praising Nintendo for their efforts on the 3DS and Wii U eShop,” even going so far as to start giving out prices for games, like you’re a frigging press release or something.

    I don’t hate Nintendo. I don’t hate any company. I may hate the people behind the company. I may think they make stupid decisions and don’t innovate, but a company’s just a company. They exist to make money. Sell a product, make a profit. Boom.

    Now, if you were just a rabid fanboy, that’d be irritating enough, but you always always have to go out of your way to sound like you’re trying to sell us something, like you’re trying to justify your fanboyism to the rest of us. And it’s annoying.

    So when I see you doing it, I call you out. Take a look at most Nintendo articles and lo and behold, you probably won’t see me in the comments until you start preaching the Miyamoto gospel. Last time I spoke about Nintendo unsolicited was in the article about Japanese sales figures, and that was really just to rub it in YOUR face that I was right and you were wrong about their sales picking up full-time. I said it was just a spike and said it was the beginning of the Wii U dominating Japan and I was right, you were wrong. Just wanted to say it.

    So, in conclusion, I don’t bash any company. I call it like I see it. Before Nintendo unveiled the disaster that is the Wii U, I actually was looking forward to what Nintendo were going to reveal, in the hopes that it actually was going to be the first true next-gen system, not some late-to-the-party current gen system with a gimmick controller.

    Anyway, as this is not an article about Nintendo, I don’t see the point in arguing with you about it any further. I’m going to take the high road and back off.

    You wanna meet in the schoolyard at 3 and settle this?

    #7 2 years ago
  8. polygem

    i loved this game on the 3ds. a tough old school 2d Platformer. very old school yet fresh with great music. i was the perfect target audience for a game like this :)
    that said, i think this is one of the games that really do benefit a lot from the 3d effect. without it it loses half of the charme.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. Francis O

    @8

    Indie developers have been praising the Wii U eShop.
    http://www.develop-online.net/news/42665/Indies-praise-lack-of-restrictions-on-Wii-U-eShop

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-01-10-how-nintendo-is-making-wii-u-indie-friendly

    I’m not lying. The proof is above. So please STFU now. Hopefully you take the high road and don’t ever come back.

    #9 2 years ago
  10. Old MacDonald

    Greenlight is dreadful, and now it’s being misused by Kickstarter-devs as well. Whenever someone is running a high profile Kickstarter they start a Greenlight-campaign at the same time, as a PR tool. And tons of fans flock to it, resulting in a speedy ascent through the ranks.

    So we get tons of greenlighted games that won’t be out for two years (and would probably have gotten on Steam anyway), while the current indie stuff that Greenlight was apparently made for is just sitting there.

    Valve went from being indie-friendly to perhaps the most indie-unfriendly company in the business. Except maybe Microsoft (for now).

    Edit: And stop going on and on about Nintendo.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. Clupula

    @10 – Oh, Francis, you’d miss me too much if I left. You obviously enjoy it when I play rough.

    Anyway, I wasn’t disputing that some developers do, indeed, have a positive experience with Nintendo. It’s how you phrase it that just irks me. As I said, it’s like you’re writing press releases at all times.

    Example of something a normal person would say: “I really like the 3DS. It’s got a lot of games I enjoy playing on it and I’m glad it’s doing well in Japan.”

    Example of something a P.R. shill would say: “The 3DS is dominating all of Japan, far outselling both the PS3 and the Vita. With the multitude of third party titles due out for the system, the choice is clear which system Japan prefers.”

    I wouldn’t have a problem with the first one. That’s how a human being expresses they like something. The second is how you speak. No one on earth speaks like that unless they’re getting paid to do it or they’ve been in a reprogramming center for the last few years of their life.

    That’s why you annoy me.

    That and the fact that even though this isn’t an article about Nintendo, you’ll be damned if you’re not going to try to force the comments to be.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Clupula

    @11 – Has this been a problem for other indies? I must admit this is the first I’ve heard of it, but I’m curious to read more if this is a persistent problem.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Francis O

    @12 and 13

    Whatever makes you sleep at night troll.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. CyberMarco

    Stop bitching around both of you and just chill out!

    #14 2 years ago
  15. Clupula

    @14 – Okay, seriously? You do realize that that was the absolute perfect set up for a mom joke. Don’t throw me softballs, Francis.

    @15 – I tried to let it go, but he kept going. I think he has a crush. If he’ll be quiet, I’ll be quiet.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. monkeygourmet

    I wonder when Clupula will see how his conversations with Francis O, almost exactly mirror the ones I had with Dragon…

    Ahhh…

    The circle of life…

    #16 2 years ago
  17. Clupula

    @17 – Cue the sunrise. lol

    #17 2 years ago
  18. silkvg247

    @3 HackSlashLoot on the other hand, looks amazing? Since when is it about graphics..?

    #18 2 years ago
  19. PC_PlayBoy

    I played Mutant Mudds on the 3DS and it was shite. I voted NO on Greenlight. There are better games on there that deserve my vote.

    Greenlight is awesome. There is nothing like it on consoles, or anywhere else for that matter. Plus the games that have been successful on Greenlight have been of great quality: Agarest: Generations of War, Shovel Knight, Death Inc, Dreamfall Chapters: The Longest Journey, Black Mesa, Frozen Endzone, Primordia, LAMULANA, Fly’N, Dawn of Fantasy: Kingdom Wars, Miasmata, etc.

    This is just a pissed developer with a shite game that can’t get Greenlit.

    #19 2 years ago

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  • That Batman: Arkham Knight trailer is full of codes

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  • Assassin’s Creed haystacks won’t save you from a fall

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  • Why are people buying PS4 and not Xbox One?

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  • Toejam and Earl are back with a new Kickstarter

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  • SOMA approaching beta phase on PC and PS4

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  • Square Enix does not condone Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest HD Remaster

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  • New Hunger teaser released by LittleBigPlanet Vita co-developers

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  • Here’s two Mario Party 10 overview videos, one featuring amiibo

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  • Play Battlefield Hardline starting March 12 through EA Access

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  • This video summarizes the contents of Destiny patch 1.1.1

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  • Destiny 1.1.1 patch notes out, update is live

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  • Payday 2 packs based on Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number coming

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  • Velocity 2X making its way onto Linux, Mac, PC and Xbox One

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  • Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number finally has a release date

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  • Warhammer 40,000: Dark Nexus Arena is a twin stick shooter MOBA for PC

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  • More information, videos for cancelled Legacy of Kain: Dead Sun surface

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  • Three additional games added to Square Enix Humble Bundle

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  • Forza Horizon 2 gets Fast & Furious with standalone expansion

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  • The Evil Within: The Assignment has a release date, new trailer

    The Evil Within: The Assignment will be released on March 10 in North America and March 11 in Europe, it was announced today. Along with an exact release date was a trailer detailing more information about the first set of DLC. The Assignment is the first of two DLCs centering on Detective Castellanos’ mysterious partner, […]

  • Steam and GOG cross-platform multiplayer added to AvP Classic 2000

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  • OlliOlli 2: Welcome to Olliwood arrives on PS4, Vita next week

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  • Week 7: Play GTA Online with VG247 tonight at 8pm UK time!

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  • Batman: Arkham Knight – first look into the story

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  • Vita knocks New 3DS LL out of top slot on Media Create charts

    Thanks to four new titles, one of which was God Eater 2: Rage Burst, PlayStation Vita has knocked New 3DS LL out of the top slot on the Media Create charts in Japan. The handheld, which came in thrid place last week, moved 35,203 units for the February 16-22 period, compared to 10,901 units the […]

  • Dragon Quest Heroes coming west in 2015, PS4 only

    Dragon Quest Heroes will be making its way to west this year. Square Enix has announced that it’s bringing Dragon Quest Heroes to the west this year. The press release mentioned only PAL territories (Europe & Australia). Though it’s unlikely it will miss the US. The game will release on PlayStation 4, both digitally and […]

  • Destiny: how to make sure Crota stays down for longer

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  • NBA Live 15 added to EA Access just four months after release

    EA has added NBA Live 15 to the list of games available instantly to anyone with an EA Access subscription. NBA Live 15 has been added to EA Access’ Vault, EA has announced. As of today, anyone with an EA Access subscription on Xbox One can play it alongside other available games. NBA Live 15 […]

  • Deal: get Advanced Warfare Limited Edition Xbox One bundle + extra game for £299

    UK retailer GAME is offering a good deal on the Advanced Warfare Limited Edition 1TB Xbox One bundle and is throwing in an extra game. The retailer has reduced the price of the bundle to £299, which is the usual price for the standalone console. The bundle is of course Advanced Warfare-themed. The console and […]

  • That Metal Gear Rising 2 logo was for the second anniversary of the original

    Metal Gear Rising developer Platinum Games has confirmed, once and for all, that the “2″ logo we saw during Sony’s presentation at Taipei Game Show was definitely not for a sequel. Platinum posted this on Twitter earlier. デザイナーの趙&ニシイから、『MGR』2周年記念イラスト! ディレクターの齋藤( @PG_saito )が、開発スタッフブログでご紹介しています↓↓ http://t.co/IW1aOxAZQR #mgr pic.twitter.com/ZbNF3Jk1tF — PlatinumGames Inc. (@platinumgames) February 25, 2015 The illustrations were made by artist Yong-Hee […]

  • Resident Evil Revelations 2 is formulaic and I’m okay with that

    There’s something comforting about the lack of ambition and plain old gameplay in Resident Evil Revelations 2, says Matt Martin. “It’s locked from the other side.” Of course it is. What did I expect? I’ve been here before. So many times. Not just in Resident Evil but a million other games. It’s so familiar as […]

  • Battlefield 4: double XP event live now through Sunday

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  • BioShock Infinite, Tomb Raider, Rayman Legends free with March Games with Gold

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  • Telltale’s new IP will be a “super show”, bridges the gap between TV and game

    Telltale’s upcoming mysterious new IP will be produced in collaboration with Lionsgate and will be a hybrid game and TV show. Entertainment Weekly spoke to Telltale CEO Kevin Bruner to understand what’s a super show. “A “Super Show” episode combines one part of interactive playable content with one part of scripted television style content,” said […]

  • Next Mortal Kombat X stream to show Brutalities, new character

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  • PC version of Resident Evil: Revelations 2 does not support offline co-op [Update]

    Players who bought the PC version of Resident Evil: Revelations 2 have realised that the game doesn’t support offline co-op. Unlike the console versions, the PC version of Resident Evil: Revelations 2 can only be played in single player, with no offline co-op option. Capcom has not revealed this prior to launch. Instead, users on […]