Dead Space 4 cancellation rumour turns ugly following Moore rebuttal

This happends when you destroy an IP with a generic title to rise sales, more money today but no money tomorrow because you fucked up your brand.

Take note Ubisoft.

I’d rather like they pulled the plug on Medal of Honor and start fresh with Dead Space.

Fucking EA, keep making decisions like these and you’re going to end up like THQ.

In any case, Dead Space 3 wasn’t that bad of game (it’s actually real good) but that co-op turned a lot potential buyers away.

This shows you not to fuck with your fanbase.

Hummmm… EA interfered in DS3 direction affecting its quality and sale. Granted, DS2 wasnt a big seller, but the series had a great reputation.

It ain’t too late now, the series is still considered great EA.. You have thrown more money on MoH which wasn’t any good.

EA is the worst publisher ever in the world

Oh my…

I really hope this is a wake up call for EA.

And I don’t mean the microtransactions. I mean watering down a great franchise just to get the dumb crowd to buy it, who isn’t interested in this and alienating the fan base at the same time.

I hope for Visceral that Army of Two sells. I don’t wanna see them get closed down. I just think EA should let them make other games instead of genereic Shooter game 11.7B-8. Didn’t they see that’s how they killed MoH?

This is exhausting, you know. We are never going to get another Dead Space game, like ever.

If true they can blame microtransactions, preorder bonuses, dumbing down and shoving unnecessary crap like multiplayer / coop into their game for that. To all game makers out there, FFS, quit sabotaging your games and listen to the gamers. We are voting with our wallets here!

@7 It will be a wake up call in the sense that they will decide people have had enough of Dead Space. Either that or decide there is no demand for survival horror at this time. EA are very selective in what kind of wake up calls they get.

@ 7 MOH is a good game. People just looked at it like COD or BF3. Also there are lots of other problems happened in Development. That why MOH Warfighter failed. Also EA didnt pull the plug on MOH completely. They just said that they are taking some time off from the Franchise

Dead Space 3 is a really good game. This is really Sad to see. if this low sales thing continues we are gonna see lots of Franchises gets killed & lots of studios gets shutdown soon.

@9 Yeah yeah everyone can vote with their wallets & we’ll see the death of lots of AAA studios soon. after that we can all start playing indie games. Good luck with that

Devs should understand that the attempt of getting new audience at the expense of the fanbase does not pay off.
Call Of Duty is more of the same AND keeps selling

DeadSpace and ResidentEvil added an unneded co-op, went gung-ho style and “bombed”
DmC rebooted the character because it was “silly” and in 7 weeks it sold less than Raiden with an even more silly looking character (cyborg in stilettos LOL) in 2 weeks.

Devs must add content and features, not change them.
Change is for new IPs.

@7

I don’t think the last Army of Two games did that well either. So you probably can kiss that franchise goodbye. So this means we’re going to see ‘Battlefield 4, 5, 6…..’ and ‘Madden Forever’.

The game industry is going down a path that’s it’s not going to be able to recover from.

First 2 were great, then they go and make this shit! It wasn’t even a good action game even after far removing it from it’s horror routes. Adding microtransactions were just the nails in the coffin.

God EA, just die!

Well, I avoided DS3 because of all stupid generic shooter crap they put in it but I’m pretty sure it was a higher up mandate. So, if the pressure from stupid suits made them ruin the game and its sales, shouldn’t those asshole execs get canned instead of the once promising franchise?

Unfortunately you can make a great game but you can’t force people to buy it.

Knowing EA, instead of learning from their mistakes, then will announce a free-to-play browser based Dead Space full of micro-transactions and based on cover based 4 player co-op shooting.

@13: I don’t really care for the series (I found the little demo at gamescom to be fun and together with a friend it will be a nice evening) but for Visceral.

I just hope that EA puts enough trust in them to give them another try with a new IP for the next gen maybe.

EA and new IP’s isn’t something id look forward too. There already reforming existing IP’s into new genres.
Dead Space was just the start in this whole action games sell more thinking. Guess they’ve been proven wrong!

But who cares?

Dead Space 2 was okay and Dead Space 3 was awful

Dead Space 1 was fantastic, but it was long time ago.

@ 16 Agree with you.

For all of you people boycotting/Whining about EA. You guys succeed at voting with wallets . Now we are gonna see the death of a awesome AAA franchise. If this continues we are gonna see the death Visceral studios soon. after that we all gonna see the death of EA.And with that we all gonna see the death of Mass effect, Sims Battlefield, MOH ,FIFA &lots of other franchises. After that all of you people hate/boycott some other company until it comes to the death too.you all succeeded. Its a sad day for me. Now i want to get drunk.

Yet I would really like to understand the whole ” this needs to sell 5 millions to survive”thingy ? I mean … It doesn’t seem like EA paid a lot for it. I wonder how much was the budget ? But it sure as hell doesn’t seem that huge..

@21
Well, they said if you hate microtransactions then vote with your wallets… Maybe if EA hadn’t forced microtransactions at the last minute, things would have been different. Dudebro-ing it up certainly didn’t help either.

Actually, I don’t know where they could have gone from 3. The story was wrapped up in a way that wouldn’t make any sense for a direct sequel.

I think it’s impossible to point to one thing and say “Microtransactions” caused poor sales or “Co-op caused poor sales”. The reviews for the game were decent and most people who actually played the game liked it. Look at “Aliens: Colonial Marines”- by far one of the worst looking, worst playing, poorly reviewed games of the year- and it has out sold “Dead Space 3″. Let’s not act like the larger gameing community has changed its taste any- Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 for PS3 and XBOX360 are still in the Top 10 for sales in February. I heard from forums like these that Metal Gear Revengance was a huge mistake because it went away from the established formula- it was the highest selling game in February, outselling Crysis 3.

There are no simple answers to why certain games succeed and others fail.

Mh…DS 1 is still one of my fave games. Bought DS2 on day one. The quality there was lower. Micro-trans. and another horror game where you START TO SHOOTING ON HUMAN ENEMIES (Yes, Resident Evil…i talking about u too) killed the purchase for me.

But..but people liked microtransactions and the co-op….yEAh.

Dead Space sales have never blown it out of the water. I hope they weren’t shooting for 5 million copies for DS3- the entire series barely sold that many copies. Its actually a fairly niche title. The only reason the 2nd one was ever made was because they found that a ton of people discovered and played the game used. There is just no room for middle-of-the-road selling games anymore. Games cost too much to make.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=dead+space

Good.

@27
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.387181-Dead-Space-3-Needs-5-Million-Sales-Or-Franchise-Goes-Bust-Says-EA

http://www.dyeremergency.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/excellent.jpg

Hate us or Love us, we choose to boycott a game cause that’s the only way now.

Dead Space doesn’t have an official forum, and even if it did, it is not like EA will listen to the BUYERS, people wanted Dead Space to become more Survival Horror rather than an all out Action Horror like Resident Evil did, it makes sense, but EA isn’t listening to words, they only listen to sales.

I didn’t buy DS3 yet -but will buy it later on in July or something-, DS3 could have been handled better, why couldn’t Visceral go for something more like Resident Evil 2 ?!, 2 SP campaigns that come together to make one hell of a game ?!, people loved RE2 back in the day, but no EA wanted Online to be in, so put Co-Op in, even if Co-Op isn’t forced, it could have been made something different, after all Co-Op =/= Survival Horror, and people are searching for Survival Horror.

Also let’s not forget how EA argued the wanted to appeal to the gamers who can’t handle Horror, WTF ?!, I thought you were supposed to make it even more horrific, old horror fans are already having a hard time getting scared from something, no need to dump it down even more.

Beside I thought EA said that microtansactions sells alot and that all its games will have microtransactions from now on, how is that smart ?!.

Don’t get me wrong, I love Visceral Games, I liked Dante’s Inferno and waiting for the sequel Dante’s Purgatory, I used to like Dead Space alot, but Dead Space 3 wasn’t really appealing, and I am afraid Army of Two The Devil’s Cartel will fail miserably, cause again EA is trying to focus on the whole Mindless Action fans

What is wrong with people today? R.i.P. Dead Space 4? Hopefully NOT! The third one is a great game and most people, judge about it, haven`t played it until now…

well its pointless to complain about ea dumbing down the game and then buying it nonetheless, effectively telling EA they should release yet another game of that sort.

I decided to give this a pass because I don’t think micro-transactions belong in full-priced retail games. I voted with my dollar.

Oh shut up, people.

The game didn’t sell poorly because of you, it sold poorly because it’s still a horror game and those sell poorly.

Dead Space 1 sold 2 Mil. copies, Dead Space 2 sold 2 Mil. copies as well. We don’t have a number for Dead Space 3, but considering it’s still in the top 10 of the UK charts, I’d say it’s selling well enough, if not better than the previous games. You forget how many bro’s are out there, waiting to play the game with their bro and who many children finally can play a Dead Space without shitting their pants.

EA simply had unrealistic expectations. 5 Mil. copies? Are you serious? What made them think it would be that successful? Another reason to dislike EA.

“Oh, the series is not making the money we expected? Cancel the fuck out of it!”

I think Dead Space 3 had the best beginning in the series and completely fell apart as soon as you land on the ice planet. I loved the space exploration.

As much as I would love to believe that we impacted the sales in any way, we did not. It’s just EA going nuts. If we actually did impact it, I won’t shed a tear. Sure it sucks that the franchise is gone, but Viseral is still there (For now, bet EA has already some extreme expectations for Army of Two) and we took a stand. It’s just too bad that EA made the wrong decision here.

The other stuff the article says. That DS3 almost got canned, lots of cuts in the budget were made. Visceral had to appeal to a wider audience and thus make it feel more like Mass Effect. No special ammo so microtransations could be in…fuck this!!!!!

I understand that Dead Space couldn’t go on forever, but i would have loved to see a next-gen DS. I like the whole space atmopshere, the necromorphs and dismembering thing. Really sad this. I always thought working in the game industry would be like a dream, but this just shows again how harsh it can be. Maybe those 5 million sales was a crazy thing to expect EA?

Maybe if E.A they hadn’t stuck that micro-transaction bollocks in it then more people would have bought the game!

I think people boycotting the game outright due to the presence of micro-payments have missed the point. That clearly wasn’t Visceral’s decision. it was EA’s, as stated in quotes we saw from them last week.

You could have still bought the game to support Visceral and just not bought any of the micro-DLC to show EA you aren’t interested. It really is that simple.

@35 “The game didn’t sell poorly because of you, it sold poorly because it’s still a horror game and those sell poorly.”

Yup, my thoughts exactly. You just can’t compare its sales to that of games like BF or COD since the FPS genre is way more popular. And you can’t blame them for trying to put more shooty mechanics in DS3. Seems like they really had to try to appeal to more gamers or they couldn’t make DS games anymore.

Now, it’s easy to point fingers at EA and call it a bad, greedy publisher, but it’s a business after all and we don’t know exactly how much revenue they got from the series. Business wise it makes more sense to have their teams working on IPs that target wider audiences. The future will tell if they are shooting themselves in the foot though…Wondering how much this will affect Visceral and their future games.

Apparently Visceral Montreal is already closed down? So how much Visceral is left?

I wonder if Cliffy B would like to continue defending EA now?

@38, Like most gamers could actually comprehend something as simple as that…

@38 – For me, there just are too many other games I want to buy that were coming out for me to spend money on one I didn’t. I bought DS2 first day, but all the changes they made to DS3 made me decide that it would be a later purchase. I like Visceral and it’ll be sad if this effects them in a negative manner, but with a limited budget, I’m not going to spend $65 on something I’m not particularly excited for. The microtransactions are actually the thing that bothered me the least, because you don’t have to do them. It was more stuff like the co-op and the human enemies that shoot back at me.

Plus, even the review on here, where it was mentioned that there is no one single chilling moment like the stuff at the nursery in DS2, that made my decision for me. It is moments like that that make me love the series. I want to see more of that! More of an action focus and a definite shift away from horror are what made me decide to wait until a slower month at a lower price.

@38: Personally, I think its whole existence is an insult. EA has announced that it will feature microtransaction in all of their games and it’s that little step they take, that will change everything.

I know some people bought into microtransaction. Those people are not like you and me, they don’t play games on a regular basis, they buy a game once or twice a year, follow only two or three franchises and that’s it. They don’t care about things like that and the’ll buy it.

Next model you see will probably make sure that you NEED to use it to advance. EA always finds a way to pervert anything they touch.

Having that said, the microtransaction in DS3 is useless. I had no reason to use it. Half of my playtime I had the best weapons and would never need to change it ever again.

Also I hated the endgame, it was as shitty as in all previous DS games. I started avoiding as many confrontations as possible because the fights started to get REALLY boring.

38:
no. at some point you have to make a stand.
And if EA will be microtransactioning the fuck out of all their future games i simply wount buy them anymore unless they change their opinion.
simple as that.
Plus they took everything what was good and unique in Dead Space 1 and ripped it apart to exchange it with generic everything. generic weapons that feels all the same, generic ammo with the sole purpose to supporting microstransaction, generic TPS Gameplay, generic enemies. generic all of it. “So we had unique and cool weapons. lets change them for generic real weapons that all feel the same. So we have this very cool and fresh dismembering gameplay. lets change it for generic full auto shooting. So we have those unique and intimidating enemies. Lets put in more humans.”
Yeah. not exactly what the crowd wanted..
sorry, but EA fucked this up big time.

and visceral will be closed soon judging buy EAs recent decisions, because army for two will also bomb.

dumbshits should have kept it SURVIVAL HORROR not ACTION HORROR …. idiots.

@44,

“I know some people bought into microtransaction. Those people are not like you and me, they don’t play games on a regular basis, they buy a game once or twice a year, follow only two or three franchises and that’s it. They don’t care about things like that and the’ll buy it.”

So what do you know that actually backs that up?

47: just look at the fifa franchise.
there are loads of people who more or less only play these games and de MT is huge their from what ive heard. Especialy Ultimate Team and so on.
A single Player goes for hundreds on ebay.

@38

Sorry, but for me they have now pushed it too far, I purchased DS1 & DS2 and didn’t bother with DS3 as a direct result of the inclusions of the Micro-transactions, hey, I’m only doing what a certain Mr. Cliffy B said we should do and voting with my wallet.

It sucks that Visceral might be getting caught in the crossfire here, but maybe this will be a wake-up call for development teams to grow a pair and start telling publishers to ‘do one’ when they come up with stupid stuff like ruining retails games with micro-transactions.

All EA games are off limits for me at this point, next up will be SimCity to report piss poor sales is my bet. At least I’m hoping so anyway.

It completely sucks that it has come to this, but like I said, imho EA have pushed this shit totally too far now.

@47: I know those kinds of people. :/ Former Boss was exactly one of those people, too much money to throw away.