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Study – 63% of women polled report being harassed while gaming online

Saturday, 8th September 2012 15:38 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

A survey conducted by Emily Matthew over on the Pricecharting blog, found that 80% of 874 respondents polled believe sexism is rampant in the gaming community, and 35% have been on the receiving end of sexual harassment while playing online.

Matthew’s study found that women were harassed four times more than men, and 63% of women reported being called a “c*nt, bitch, slut, and whore.” Others reported they were threatened with sexual assault, or asked for sexual favors, and stereotypical comments regarding female gender roles were prevalent as well. We’re assuming these comments include, but were not limited to: ‘go make me a sandwich’ or ‘get back in the kitchen and make me some pie.’

Many insults hurled at the women, according to the survey participants, also included derogatory comments regarding their weight or general physical appearance.

“Women were also much more likely to quit playing a game because of sex-based harassment than were men,” says the report. “35.8% of women reported having quit playing temporarily because of sexism, and 9.6% reported that they quit playing a certain game permanently because of harassment.

“The numbers for men in the same areas were 11.7% and 2.6% respectively – about a third of the percentage for women in each case.”

Sexual harassment of men might sound surprising, but look at these numbers: “15.7% of men also reported that they had experienced sex-based taunting, harassment, or threats while playing video games.”

Granted, this figure can be construed as a “minority” but it is still sexism.

“The comments directed at these gamers, however, are different from those directed at women in some very telling ways,” the report continues. “Most of the men who provided additional information on their “yes” response to this question experienced comments that revolved around them not fitting a masculine gender role. These men were often called “fags” and compared to or told that they were women and labeled with stereotypically feminine words.

“Those who identified as intersexed, identified with a sex that was not listed, or did not identify with any sex, the sexual harassment that was experienced largely related to not fitting into any norm. Those participants in these demographics had almost all experienced intentional misgendering from other players.”

The number of respondents who experienced harrassment outside of the game came in at 9.8% of respondents that continued outside the game, and 68% of women reportedly have kept their sexual identity secret on occasion in order to avoid sexual harassment. 13% of men said they have lied about their gender for the same reason.

Some women admitted to having used their gender as a way to acquire items, attention or favors. However, the number wasn’t that large, as only 10% of women admitted it.

“The comments and data from these two questions point to an interesting conclusion: some male gamers use the stereotype of a female “attention whore” to their benefit by pretending to be female in order to garner special benefits,” said the report. “Many of these men even kept images of women that they found on the internet in order to supply those gamers who helped them with nude photos and proof that they were female.

“In essence, an individual using femaleness to attain special favors and gifts from others while playing video games is more likely to be a self-identified male posing as a woman than to actually be female.”

Sounds like it’s time for everyone to grow up. If we are expecting the content of our games to show maturity, stop sexualizing/victimizing women, and stop adhering to outdated stereotypes and testosterone infused storylines, we need to start with ourselves first and with society in general. Otherwise, developers won’t take our foot stamping seriously.

Gamers scream, cry, and pull their hair like toddlers fitting over the need for mature, “grown up” themes in video games, yet they ignore online bullying. Gamer’s rejoiced when BioWare added sexual relationship options to Mass Effect, and stood up for it when Fox News distastefully, and purposely likened it to pornography. Gamers scream the loudest when atrocities committed by mass murderers are blamed on video games by politicians and the media. They wail and sign petitions when certain genres are being targeted for ban by government officials pandering to constituents with a “save the children” mentality.

Yet we don’t chastise or alienate those who bully other gamers online. Again, if we can’t act like adults instead of misogynistic, homophobic neanderthals, how can we expect the games industry to get with the times if we can’t?

Thanks, KillScreenDaily.

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  1. Talkar

    In other news, people are idiots that gets offended by anything and nothing. Just look at the Hitman nun trailer :P

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Stephany Nunneley

    @2 Sorry, but if I was called a cunt by some moron online, I would take offense to it. Highly. I know in the UK and Ireland it is no big deal to call someone that – it’s in your everyday vernacular over there – but here, it’s not and is highly offensive.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. Yoshi

    @2 And are you saying a lad wouldn’t find it offensive? YOU’RE SEXIST XD :P

    #3 2 years ago
  4. Stephany Nunneley

    @3 :D Not from what I’d seen while living in Dublin. Then again, I didn’t interact with the entire populous and poll them on the matter either. :D :D

    #4 2 years ago
  5. zinc

    A friend of mine is the opposite, as soon as a lady is ‘discovered’ he turns into a smooth-talking devil and the ladies are very responsive. He is cyber cat-nip I swear.

    Thankfully his wife is not a gamer.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. Dr.Haggard

    @2 That word most certainly isn’t in our everyday vernacular, not sure where you got that idea.

    Agree with your final point in the news post, we shouldn’t be tolerating this kind of behaviour. These kids only do it because they don’t know any better, so perhaps if more developers, publishers and service providers took a zero tolerance approach similar to what ArenaNet are doing in GW2 then perhaps some of them would learn.

    Unfortunately most of them are probably beyond help, their parents already did the damage.

    #6 2 years ago
  7. fihar

    @1
    You should read some of the posts at Not in the Kitchen Anymore.
    It’s astonishing how much females have to put up with online, especially at a game like CoD. We really need to grow up.

    #7 2 years ago
  8. roadkill

    @1 I totally agree with you mate. I myself trash a lot of people. And don’t really give a s**t if I’m trashed in return. To be honest, I kind of love it! Bring it!! That’s the difference between men and women. We love the fight, they don’t. They run away from it. Which is a bit funny because this is happening in a protected environment. So.. I don’t know what all the fuss is about!? Though sometimes I would love it if they would say it to my face in real life. There’s nothing like a good fight. :)

    @7 Man women will always complain. You should just ignore them.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. SlayerGT

    A guy told me I had little nipples for balls on Battlefield Bad Company 2 Vietnam via Xbox Live voice messages :D

    #9 2 years ago
  10. G1GAHURTZ

    “We love the fight, they don’t. They run away from it.”

    LOOOOOOOOOL!!! Are you serious!??

    #10 2 years ago
  11. Stephany Nunneley

    @8 There’s a difference between trash talk, and harassment and most people can discern between the two.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. mreko3230

    “Yet we don’t chastise or alienate those who bully other gamers online”

    The problem is, I know who Fox News is and I know who that uninformed over opinionated politician is; I don’t know who the 14 year old, totally anonymous, sexist is on the other end of the headset. I can publicly decry the behavior, but until one of these guys go on national television and says, “hey, I’m a sexist douche-bag on XBOX Live!”, its really hard to chastise and alienate them.

    While playing online, telling these people to keep their mouth shut or go somewhere else usually just fuels the fire. They enjoy the attention. They are more than happy to keep trolling.

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Talkar

    If it is something one has a too fragile little mind to take, why not use a filter to sort it from everything else? Most games have that built in, especially if we talk MMO’s, but even if they don’t it wouldn’t take long to either just search for a program that does it for you, or just write one yourself. Harrasment happens everywhere, both online and IRL, people just have to accept that and ignore it. If i took it personal every time someone called me shit eating cod player, when i win against them in SC2 my psych would be shattered. But the trick is to just say “meh” and move on. It is just words…

    #13 2 years ago
  14. Stephany Nunneley

    Right so we just accept the status quo and ignore it while it gets worse instead of dropping/dropping someone else from a game when they act like an ass. There is a difference between growing thicker skin and accepting bullying. But apparently we should just deal with it, let the obnoxious have their way, and turn a blind eye. I hear you loud and clear. Shit like this http://fatuglyorslutty.com/ should just be ignored. Right on. I should also just “appreciate it” when men tell me how I should feel/react to sexism directed at a female. Again, gotcha.

    #14 2 years ago
  15. Talkar

    Yes you should just ignore it. Stop being offended all the time. I’m sorry to say (well actually i’m not) that the world is full of idiots, and there is nothing you can do about it. Why you want to reward the people bullying is beyond me, but at the end of the day that is your own choice. All i can say is what i’ve said multiple times in several threads, people get offended over nothing. Oh so someone called you a cunt? Big bloody deal, it is just letters in a digital world with a screenname attached. You don’t see a human being calling you that to your face. You just see pixels. You gotta learn the difference. If someone harrasses you IRL that is an entirely different matter, because there you have a person calling you that, which you can put a face on. And you can slap the idiot.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. xxJPRACERxx

    You can call me anything you want, I don’t care, won’t change how I live my life and I’ll still sleep well at night.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. roadkill

    @10 What? What?

    @11 Well.. this should be fun. Please explain to me how can you get harassed through a text window! :)

    @15 Exactly!!

    #17 2 years ago
  18. Stephany Nunneley

    @17 I guess being asked for a picture of my tits isn’t harassment. Maybe next time I should be a good little woman and oblige such “text” and ask him what kind of condiments he wants on his sandwich while I am at it.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. Talkar

    ^You’re an idiot -.-’
    Calm down a bit will ya?

    #19 2 years ago
  20. Ireland Michael

    @19 Did you just call Steph an idiot?

    #20 2 years ago
  21. Ireland Michael

    The utter fucking cluelessness of the “men” in these comments is disgusting.

    I would find it funny if it wasn’t so utter deplorable.

    #21 2 years ago
  22. Sylrissa

    @20 Seems quite proud of it too.

    @21 Well said.

    #22 2 years ago
  23. SlayerGT

    @19 She’s trying to make a point that you clearly are incapable of wrapping your head around.

    #23 2 years ago
  24. Talkar

    ^So by being asked a simple question, one should answer said question in the most aggressive way possible, while of course basically doing to one self what one has been complaining about others do to women the whole time? Yup seems legit -.-’

    #24 2 years ago
  25. Stephany Nunneley

    @24 There was nothing aggressive about my comment, facetious? Maybe. And yes I was trying to make a point. If I had called him an idiot, yeah maybe it could have been construed as aggressive.

    The fact is “text” can be considered sexual harassment if it is sexual in nature. To claim otherwise is just silly. THAT was my point. And using something which has been said to me more than once online should have driven that home.

    #25 2 years ago
  26. Ireland Michael

    You are a boy, incapable of understanding adult maturity.

    No decent man would ever talk to a woman that way.

    #26 2 years ago
  27. DSB

    What a non-story.

    I’ve been called a cunt, bitch and slut in online games more times than I can count.

    I think the fact that it’s only 63% is impressively low. If any of those people played CoD or FIFA over a weekend, harassment would be 100% assured.

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/

    Honestly, the fact that those results are attained through a non-scientific, anonymous internet survey should kinda exclude it from ever being taken seriously, but I guess that’s why they call it a weekend :P

    #27 2 years ago
  28. Erthazus

    ^ “I’ve been called a cunt, bitch and slut in online games more times than I can count.”

    That’s it?

    Pffff… Man, i guess you never played Dota 2 or LoL then…

    xD

    #28 2 years ago
  29. silkvg247

    I’ve never been harassed – then again I don’t really socialise that much in games, and tend to only play with the people I’ve met over the years – starting way back when with quake 2.

    I think back then people just flat out refused to believe I was a girl, which was fine by me. I only cared about killing them anyway. :)

    I’m more disturbed by my greenlight submission to be honest – the instant assumption that I am a “boy” is a good example of the current state of the gaming community. It doesn’t even enter these people’s heads that it might be a woman on the video. It’s like it is an alien concept.

    I think the reason I have escaped the majority of fucktardism is because #1 I game to game, and I typically zone out and possibly miss whatever it is the fucktards are saying in the first place and #2 I don’t touch things like Xbox live.

    Also haven’t really ever used comms in public games – because I know it would lead to some twats being well.. twats. So I’m well aware the sexism is out there, I guess I just kind of hide from it, perhaps because I just can’t be bothered. I just want to play games.

    #29 2 years ago
  30. SlayerGT

    @26 Its just “text” to him. And no man would talk to anyone that way. Man, woman, black, white, child, adult..its makes me sick how people treat others on the internet or otherwise. Have some cooth.

    #30 2 years ago
  31. DSB

    Calling it bullying is just so wide of the mark, though.

    Any information you give out during an online match can and will be used against you. If my name is DenmarkGuy1985, I can be absolutely sure that people will be talking shit about the word Denmark, the word Guy and the year 1995 if they can actually think up anything to say about it.

    For me that’s business as usual since Counter-Strike in the late 90′s.

    Anonymous people playing eachother competitively online does not promote sportsmanship and good manners, and I don’t see how women are targeted in any specific way. It happens to everyone. Either you grow a thick skin, or you don’t play.

    I know a lot of guys who don’t like playing competitive games online, for the same reason. That’s their choice to make.

    It’s not that much different with any other kind of competitive activity. If there isn’t a ref present, then words are going to get said, and the fouls are gonna get rougher.

    #31 2 years ago
  32. Stephany Nunneley

    I just find it funny how lackadaisical many of you are being on the subject, yet found the whole controversy surround the sexism subject in gaming lately something to stand behind. Having grown up in the south which is not the most progressive area of the county, I am not immune to sexual predation, harassment, misogyny, homophobia or sexism. Matter of fact, I have first, second, and third hand knowledge of all four in some capacity – and just because it happens online instead of in person doesn’t make it “right”. And no amount of “grow a thicker skin” or “ignore it” can convince me otherwise. If they get away with it online, they will eventually try their hand at it in “life” or carry over this attitude in a personal setting. Hopefully when that happens, they will wake up a few days later on the floor wondering why the hell their head hurts.

    If disassociate yourself from people such as this and not allow them into your “real life” social circles, there is no reason why the same shouldn’t be applied online. That is the only way to nip it in the bud. Excusing or brushing off bad behavior just promotes it.

    #32 2 years ago
  33. Talkar

    @25
    I don’t see anyone saying that text can’t be considered sexual harrassment. I only saw someone asked how it could be sexual harrassment. Did it occur to you maybe he actually didn’t know? Instead of just attacking him headon?

    @26
    And you are sexist, saying i have to treat women different than men. But i understand if you don’t believe in equality across genders, a lot of people don’t.

    @30
    Obviously you’ve never been out in the world.

    @27
    Get out of here DSB while you still can! You apparently aren’t allowed to say something that contradicts with others opinion here! (surprise?)

    @32
    And how do you exclude them from your social circles IRL? Oh that is right, by not talking to them, also known as SPOILER: ignoring them.

    #33 2 years ago
  34. Stephany Nunneley

    @33 “You apparently aren’t allowed to say something that contradicts with others opinion here!”

    How can you say that the things said to people while gaming that you see on sites like Fat Ugly or Slutty are just people being idiots online and that it shouldn’t be construed as harassment? That it’s only mean and harassing someone if that is your opinion?

    Definition of harassment: “to annoy persistently – to create an unpleasant or hostile situation for especially by uninvited and unwelcome verbal or physical conduct”

    You mean to tell me, that if someone said some of that stuff to your wife/mother/sister/girlfriend it wouldn’t piss you off? The fact it was said online is inconsequential.

    #34 2 years ago
  35. Talkar

    @34
    No you are wrong. The fact it is said online does very much determine if it should be taken serious or not. When people call you shit online you don’t have any way of knowing if they mean it or not. So you have to actively choose if you think they mean it or not, that is a freedom you don’t have IRL. If you choose to take it serious that is your very own mistake and you pay the consequences for it. And again, i never said harassment doesn’t exist, i don’t deny that, i’m saying just don’t give in to it, just ignore it. It isn’t that hard…

    And no, someone calling some female i know something doesn’t affect me.
    A few days ago i completely demolished someone in StarCraft and after the match he wrote me, and i’m paraphrasing “I’m gonna find your house and tie you down, while i rape your mother and then leave you there just to burn down your house”. You know what i did? I blocked him, and reported him to blizz for harrassment. And i haven’t thought of it until now. I didn’t write him back, i didn’t care about him, for someone to write something like that just proves he is so extremely socially awkward that he apparently has to take it out online.
    I also knew there is no way in hell any of the things he said were going to happen, so why worry about it and let it get to me?

    #35 2 years ago
  36. SlayerGT

    @33 “Obviously you’ve never been out in the world.”

    The “world”..no. My state in the U.S. of Louisiana? Yes. I work in retail and deal with the public everyday. My specialty is customer service. They call me Sweets. I even deal with people that are angry with me. I treat them the way I’d prefer to be treated (usually killing them with kindness), even if it’s not how they are treating me. And wouldn’t you know the funniest thing happens. They’ll begin to feel ridiculous and change their tune. This works on Xbox Live, sometimes, as well.

    #36 2 years ago
  37. DSB

    @32 The thing is, what you see as a deeply hurtful brand of harassment, most others see as trash talk.

    You don’t have to like it, and you’re certainly free to despise it with your entire being, but it’s not ever going to change.

    People are going to be hateful and unpleasant whenever they feel they can get away with it. It’s the above mentioned internet fuckwad theory in practice.

    Unless there’s a consequence, they’re going to say any mean, spiteful thing that they can get away with.

    I think you’re giving them waaaay too much power by seeing it as an assault on you as a woman. It has nothing to do with your personality, your body type or your sex. It’s an assault on you as a random human being, just because you’re there, and it happens to everybody else too.

    Hate it or ignore it. It’s not going to change any time soon, and the more upset you get, the more they accomplish.

    #37 2 years ago
  38. Talkar

    @36
    You do realize you just contradicted what you said in your earlier post right? “And no man would talk to anyone that way.”
    And you just said some customers aren’t treating you nice.

    Edit:
    And just to expand a bit more on it,
    I’ve worked at retail too, and as you i never talked down to any customer, or talked bad to them. Once a customer was literally yelling at me in the middle of the store because we didn’t have a ware anymore (it was on sale, but sold out). I just smiled at him, talked nice to him, and walked away once he was done. Did i like it? No way, and it was way more hurtful than anything i’ve ever experience online, but why did i put up with it? Because i was paid to deliver a good customer service. Here i’m allowed to say what i mean, and i will do so.

    #38 2 years ago
  39. Quizmo22

    Going to go grab some popcorn.. Not for the article but for the comments :)

    #39 2 years ago
  40. Talkar

    :D

    #40 2 years ago
  41. Stephany Nunneley

    @39 No need. I’m done with it. I’m an “idiot” and comments made to women online that are sexual in nature are just “trash talk”. Therefore, I am taking these lessons learned and going to enjoy what’s left of my weekend.

    #41 2 years ago
  42. SlayerGT

    @38 I typed that wrong. I meant should* not would. My apologies.

    And my behavior at work is not a result of whether or not I get paid. I was giving you an example of how my “treating of other human beings” can alter their perspective on things. I behave that way because that’s what I was taught to do. It just happens to be well suited for my line of work.

    #42 2 years ago
  43. zinc

    Just out of curiosity, how many guys here have been sexually harased online? As in persistently asked for sexual favours, naked pics etc?

    I get the impression that some here believe that a random “Suck it queer!” is the same, when it really is not.

    #43 2 years ago
  44. SlayerGT

    @43 I been told “Suck my ****” before. That was before my friends made the rule that I was not allowed to bring the M40 on to the battlefield in BFBC2:V ;) I’m pretty sure the person was just upset with my skills.

    #44 2 years ago
  45. DSB

    @43 “I get the impression that some here believe that a random “Suck it queer!” is the same, when it really is not.”

    Wow, how’s that for gender equality?

    I wish women could make up their minds as to whether they want equality, or just handpicked advantages.

    #45 2 years ago
  46. SlayerGT

    @45 As this article shows, women would like to be picked on just as much as men and in the same manor. They’re catching more flak then men and the flak they’re catching is mostly sexual in nature.

    #46 2 years ago
  47. DSB

    @46 Bullshit.

    The crap being thrown at you may be sexual, racial, personal, physical, but really, what’s the difference? It’s all aimed at making you uncomfortable.

    If you are sensitive about those things, then an online, competitive scene is probably going to be a bad experience for you.

    Expecting anyone to respect you even a little bit more, just because you’re female is wishful thinking.

    If you tell ‘em you’re female, they’re going to use that against you. If you tell them you’re a certain race, they’re going to use that against you. If you tell them you’re a certain body type, guess what, they’re going to use that against you.

    You’re never going to change the fuckwad nature of Joe Internet, so what’s the use in giving him exactly what he wants? You can toughen up, you can give as good as you get, you can keep your personal details to yourself, or you can not play.

    A stranger telling you to suck his cock, or show your tits, is really not a very powerful person by any reasonable standard, and it really shouldn’t be such a huge violation of your person. Whatever power he gets, you ultimately bestow upon him.

    Until you do, he’s just another sad sheltered cunt talking shit online.

    #47 2 years ago
  48. absolutezero

    So anyone know the percentage of Humans that have been harassed while gaming online?

    Im guessing its going to be around the same number. Only this report is specifically based around women. Oh no poor women. Sad face.

    I adhere to the exact samething as silk, its not that I want to avoid being harassed though, its more that I just don’t enjoy talking to random people online.

    #48 2 years ago
  49. SlayerGT

    @47 “The crap being thrown at you may be sexual, racial, personal, physical, but really, what’s the difference? It’s all aimed at making you uncomfortable.”

    Yes I understand that. But according to this article, its a bigger problem for woman than it is to men.

    #49 2 years ago
  50. DSB

    @49 The “article” is based on an open survey filled out by completely random people from gaming forums, Twitter and Facebook.

    In other words, it has no real significance.

    If you put up a survey aimed at finding out how many people believe that the British royal family are in fact reptiles from space in disguise, I reckon you’d get an overwhelming turnout among the people who believe that that’s true as well.

    #50 2 years ago
  51. SlayerGT

    @50 “In other words, it has no real significance”

    I’m gonna follow Steph’s lead then.

    #51 2 years ago
  52. OlderGamer

    Not suprising. The online enviroment is full of behavior typical of childern. If you stoop to their level, they will treat you as if you too are another kid.

    Online Experience May Vary And Is Not Rated By The ERSB.

    There just isn’t any concept of maturaty. Hell, some of those players acting out prolly think doing so makes actualy makes them mature.

    I do not play online on a console much at all anymore. I will not use a headset/mic unless I am in pvt chat with friends/family. And the online interaction of the comunity is the primary reason.

    Beit sexual, gender, racial, national or otherwise, harrassment is harrassment. I do not like being harrassed. No one does. That is not why people play games. And I believe, esp when a services is a paid service(not to mention the investment of hardware/software, a person has the right to play the games without harrassment of any kind.

    If I was a women, I wouldn’t ever plug a mic in. Ever. Because of course they are going to be the subject of sexual harrassment. It isn’t right. It shouldn’t be that way. But it is, and it isn’t going to change.

    Again the online console game space is a kids playground. It is their world. I don’t enjoy playing games with them anymore then I would enjoy hanging out in an actual play ground.

    Oh and DSB, seriously, shame on you.

    #52 2 years ago
  53. DSB

    Steph should know better than to run an article based on a random internet survey. And you should know better than to take it seriously.

    I’m sure Steph has a lot of interesting things to say about this, but using a blatantly unscientific poll as the basis for the argument, just robs the article of credibility.

    #53 2 years ago
  54. silkvg247

    I know where DSB is coming from, and to a degree he’s right. You have to have thick skin. Everybody rips the piss out of everybody on the internet, it’s lovely really.

    As women we don’t have the right to be “more” offended than anyone else. And if we’re being genuinely harassed, we should report it through normal channels like anybody else would.

    However, one important thing to note here. An average white male gamer has very little about him that would encourage random harassment, whereas an average female gamer has her gender, which appears to encourage harassment and abuse on a far more regular basis.

    So I think the real issue is that being female is something to pick on in the first place.

    I’m not saying it’s right to pick on age or race either. But those are typically invisible on the internet, whereas being female on the internet is not so easy to hide, not if you are in a game with comms. Also bear in mind most profiles have a publicly visible gender field, but not so much for age or race.

    Being female is a far more public “flaw” than any other, and so it’s easy to isolate and “bully”. I know you don’t like that word DSB, but it’s apt. It’s not unique to females, I’m sure lots of bullying goes on in general. But again, as a female, we can’t very easily hide the fact we are girls, unless we literally make fake profiles with male avatars and use a voice masking app (which would get you banned on xbox live for modding, hah!)

    The only way you can really understand is to try to imagine what it’d be like to think twice before speaking in a game, because you would know it would immediately open the floodgates for random insults and weird sexytime messages. Imagine it happening every single time, more or less.

    So perhaps it’s more to do with the fact it’s so frequent for women, and less easy to escape.

    #54 2 years ago
  55. OlderGamer

    DSB no one is actualy taking the survey seriously. The subject matter, yes. The scientificly prudent process of the survey? The validity or importance of the actual survey? Hell no.

    But the topic?

    That is serious. And it is real. You know it is real, and that is why I am disapointed in you here, man your better then that. We know it is real. I have encountered if and seen it first hand. Obviously the ladies that frequent the site, including the staffers, have also felt it.

    #55 2 years ago
  56. Digital Bamboo

    @Talkar: You are clearly thick-skinned, though it seems to be particularly thick around your skull.

    Being called a cunt or a faggot is harassment, and it shouldn’t just be ignored simply because it’s online. If someone texted a similar insult to your cell phone, posted it in a note on your door, or spray painted it on your car, you probably wouldn’t care for that. None of those are face-to-face, but they’re still harassment, and should not be tolerated.

    Why should anonymous internet assholes get a free pass? They shouldn’t. There should be some accountability. The point I think the article was making was that steps need to be taken to clean up the online gaming community. Just because you can ignore it, doesn’t mean that everyone else can or should ignore it too.

    The types of insults mentioned in the article are cheap, vulgar and unsportsmanlike low blows. They are not trash talk, just trash.

    #56 2 years ago
  57. magnumfinger

    Of course, many gamers want to have their own cyber romance while playing. nothing new.

    #57 2 years ago
  58. DSB

    @55 Honestly, I think the subject matter is partly a result of a games press that apparently doesn’t find games interesting enough to write about, on their own.

    I think it’s turning molehills into mountains by force of sheer public exposure.

    I don’t claim to see the world through the eyes of a woman, but like the academic clusterfuck that is “gender neutrality” (which I feel this whole issue springs from) I think it’s way out of proportion, and low on context.

    Fact is a lot of people have problems listening to the stuff that gets thrown around online. The fact that someone uses the words “Tits” and “Slut” instead of “Cock” and “Fag” somehow becomes a defining difference.

    When guys get attacked, it’s boys being boys. When women get attacked, we should all rally around them and protect them. Where’s the logic?

    @54 I guess there’s bullying, and then there’s “bullying”. Trash talking is always going to be an attempt to dominate another person on some level or other, but when I think of the word bullying, I think of a person who puts a lot more effort into ruining someone elses day than that.

    It’s really not easy for a lot of ethnicities to hide their race on a voice channel either. Some have dialects or accents, and they get slammed for it too.

    I know I have it easy in that department, I’m a relatively common demographic, but I honestly didn’t like playing online at first either. People are vicious, but you have to know the difference between a dog’s bark and a dog’s bite.

    #58 2 years ago
  59. Digital Bamboo

    I have to disagree with you DSB, I think the issue this article raises is important to the games industry, as it is apparently deciding if and how some people play certain games.

    And it’s not limited to women. Harassment towards men is mentioned in the article as well, and you mentioned harassment based on race yourself. These are no more acceptable.

    Anyone should be allowed to game online without being harassed. What I find slightly disturbing is that some gamers seem to think that trash talk means they can say whatever they like, that anything is fair game. It isn’t.

    I think there is an appreciable difference between some insults and others, and those that don’t know the difference should be banned from communicating over the internet. How that would ever be enforced, I don’t know. But the last thing we should do is sit back and accept it as the norm.

    #59 2 years ago
  60. xxJPRACERxx

    I don’t think online “harassment” in games is harassment. It’s anonymous, nobody know who I am, it’s different than someone writing something on my door, on my car or even on Facebook.

    Also it’s not the same thing like someone following me and screaming shit in my ear. Online you can just block, mute, quit or ignore it. In real life it’s much tougher to ignore someone that is physically near you or sending messages to your home.

    I’ve also worked in retail, I was responsible for returns and I’ve told a couple of people to fuck off. It was almost funny to see their faces because they would never think I would say something like that. My boss was always on my side, just warned me to not threat to harm them. Thank god I don’t work at retail anymore.

    #60 2 years ago
  61. G1GAHURTZ

    My XBL inbox is full of abusive messages, and almost always has been.

    To be honest, if it wasn’t, I might feel slightly disappointed.

    Pretty much all of these sort of messages that I get are from people who I’ve beaten in a game, so I just take it a sign of how much better than them I am. If they’d have beaten me, they almost certainly wouldn’t have taken the time to go to my profile and then send me a ‘you stupid c**t’ or a ‘f**k you’ message.

    All I send back is a simple ‘Learn to play’, which I can only imagine makes them even more frustrated.

    Voice chat can be hilarious sometimes…

    Once I was in a Gears of War lobby, and some American heard me speaking and said something about “n*gger lips” just before the game started. Of course, my character was Cole, and as the game went on, it eventually managed to come down me vs him as the last two people alive in the final round. I was out of ammo, so I picked up a sniper rifle, spotted him across the map and downed him with one shot. If you’ve ever played Gears online, you’ll know exactly what happens to players who are downed, just before the final execution.

    Obviously, I took full advantage of his bodily position!

    After the game, I asked him in a not so polite way just how much he enjoyed ‘the big black experience’. All he could do was laugh before leaving the lobby with nothing else to say.

    This is how I personally deal with these people.

    They’re there to win, so beating them and seeing them rage quit just makes my gaming session seem that much sweeter.

    Obviously, not everyone is good enough to do that, but that’s how I deal with it.

    With the amount of hours that I play online, learning to deal with it is a must.

    #61 2 years ago
  62. zinc

    @DSB, Er, I’m not female. Though the assumptions you leap too are telling. As Silk pointed out, guys do not really get ‘sexually harassed’. I know I’ve never been given shit online simply because I have penis.

    And I doubt any of the guys here have either.

    #62 2 years ago
  63. Da Man

    Another comment section overrun with three page long essays on ‘sexual harassment’ from people who want to convince themselves any difference between males and females beyond sexual organs is non existing and sexist.

    Of course it must be that it’s more prevalent on consoles.

    #63 2 years ago
  64. zinc

    Beyond sexual organs, the hormones our different physiology’s produce and outside social influences, what are the differences between men and women?

    And why would they warrant a different treatment than to someone your own sex?

    #64 2 years ago
  65. Da Man

    Aside from those deciding ones, basically none. I’m just amazed at the race, let alone nationality analogies. Too much videogames feat sci-fi females I suppose.

    I didn’t say there should be different ‘treatments’, you obviously can’t make fun of males in the same way though.

    #65 2 years ago
  66. NiceFellow

    So many replies that handily explain the 63% (which is lower than I’d have expected).

    There is zero doubt if you’re female you’re singled out for an additional level of harassment online which is over and above the simple name calling between or directed at males.

    Of course, plenty of those online gaming males won’t want to admit that.

    Whether the study is accurate or not is irrelevant. The issue is known and definite and you only have to play online for a few hours in games that feature some female voices to see it in action.

    #66 2 years ago
  67. roadkill

    This topic has evolved quite a bit since my last comment. Can’t say I’m too surprised. ;)

    Anyway,

    Steph so someone asks a picture of your tits so.. So what? What is the problem? If anything you should feel awesome because you are appreciated. Granted it’s only a physical appreciation but it still is appreciation. I wish girls would ask for photos of my penis. I wouldn’t send any but I would still feel awesome. Not that I’m not.. feeling awesome that is. :D But I’m just saying.. it wouldn’t hurt. :) Enjoy your weekend! I mean that. And remember! Ignorance is bliss!! ;)

    @20 Oh Michaela! What has he done!? The horror!!.. douchebag!

    @33 About saying that “text can’t be considered sexual harrassment”. That was me. I said that. Oh and don’t bother with Michaela. She’s always like this. But hurt that is. :D Also, well said in 35! :D

    @37 Word! :D

    #67 2 years ago
  68. zinc

    ^”I wish girls would ask for photos of my penis”.

    Forever alone :-(

    #68 2 years ago
  69. absolutezero

    “If anything you should feel awesome because you are appreciated.”

    I fucking love you roadkill.

    #69 2 years ago
  70. DSB

    @59 That would be an interesting subject to tackle. However, general harassment was never the focus of the online poll, or the subsequent article. It was about sexism levelled at women.

    Emily Matthew quite obviously had her conclusion ready before she ever launched the poll, and predictably enough it supported the argument she was trying to make.

    It’s bad methodology, and by extension it’s bad journalism.

    It would be interesting to demand that the industry provide a response to this sort of thing, but that’s not what the article, or Stephs follow-up was about.

    @62 Like a lot of the others you have a pretty easy time claiming that it’s different, but you don’t actually offer a reason why it’s different.

    Guys get sexually, physically and racially harassed too.

    #70 2 years ago
  71. OlderGamer

    “Of course it must be that it’s more prevalent on consoles.”

    It isn’t some sort of PC elitest stuff DM. It has to do with the types of game experiences being played and the average age of the user playing them. Plus the system on which they are being played.

    I played Diablo III yesterday, it doesn’t even have a voice chat. I also spent some time on GW2, samething. Not only do PC games not all have voice, but you can even send a direct msg to the GMs(many times) about abusive behavior. When playing WoW, I can click spam, or harrassment, and that whille perma block that player and report them. If someone continues to do harrass other players as they play, they will be flaged and consiquences will be had. And for the player being harrassed, the reactions are fast and imidiate. There is also a text log to fall back on. To see someone being harrassed in wow, Blizz simply looks at the text log. Plus on a PC game, your gender isn’t obvious to anyone. Neither is your race, sexuality or nationality.

    What needs to happen is that this issue needs to be taken far more seriosly. Games needs to be monitored. And actions need to be taken. I would love to be a fly on the wall when some 12 yr kid tells his mom that he was banned from XB LIVE for harrassment.

    Before you, DM, or DSB or whom ever tries to ignore the message I am saying, while looking for holes in the words to exploit, let me fill in a few things that should be obvious. First harrassment happens to BOTH genders. It is wrong in BOTH cases. Trash talk is no disguise or excuse for harrashment. Online chat is a public forum, no different then going to a movie theater or an arcade. Of course harrashment happens on PC games as well as console games. Of course it happens on PS3 as well as XB360. Of course you can report harrashment on LIVE. Of course gamers of all ages play both consoles and PCs(but don’t kid yourself on this one, what are mommy and daddy more likly to buy little johnny for xmass: a xbox with CoD or a PC with GW2?) And of course adults, as well as kids, are part of the problem at hand.

    So did I just drasticly counterdict myself? No. While many things in life can be spoken about in generalities, every rule has an exception. It has been my observation that most of the time people are arguring over the expections to a situation when someone else talks about the generalness of the subject at hand. Either people are ignorant(some are), or they just wanna troll a subject(some do, perhaps they are bored or just want to argue).

    #71 2 years ago
  72. DSB

    I’m not denying that sexism is a problem.

    I’m saying that it doesn’t qualify as a crisis to anyone but the media, and academics who bring home the bacon by using hyperbole.

    It seems to me that people agree that women aren’t the only ones who get slammed online, so how can it possibly be good and proper that they get singled out through articles like these?

    It takes attention away from the actual issue. What is a general problem with peoples attitude towards eachother, is portrayed as a specific problem with peoples attitude towards women. I reckon it just makes for a better headline.

    #72 2 years ago
  73. OlderGamer

    “I’m saying that it doesn’t qualify as a crisis to anyone but the media, and academics who bring home the bacon by using hyperbole.”

    Lets say you have a 14 year old daughter that wants to play a bit if Halo online DSB, does that change your perception?

    No one was saying that Only females get harrassed or that harrassment of females was a more important problem that non gender based harrassment. The only agruement that even distinguishes one gender from the other is that in voice chat you can’t hide the fact that your female.

    And that fact alone brings on harrassment. It isn’t that one form of harrassment is less or worse then the other. But if you are female, and you’re playing online, you are going to almost always and instantly be a target. That fact alone DOES warrent distinction between male and female gender based harrassment.

    #73 2 years ago
  74. DSB

    @73 And you feel that’s helpful, how?

    You could choose to look at one race too, if you wanted to. Or men. All that would accomplish would be to railroad the actual issue, which is that people get slammed online, no matter who they are, or what they have between their legs.

    The fact that blacks get slammed, doesn’t mean hispanics or asians don’t. The fact that women get slammed, doesn’t mean that men don’t.

    How far do you want to derail the discussion by singling out groups for no reason, before you write an article about the actual issue, which is that anonymity + audience = fuckwad?

    “Lets say you have a 14 year old daughterl that wants to play a bit if Halo online DSB, does that change your perception?”

    That’s the kind of emotion baiting cheap shot I’d like to see people stand up against, especially through the media.

    Like I said, running with “women” instead of “people” makes for a better headline, precisely due to that sort of innately programmed sentimentality. We feel sorry for our girls, while we expect our boys to get over it.

    You’re saying that my daughter needs my protection more than my son? So even though my son is perfectly capable of playing Halo and taking what comes his way, my daughters honor needs to be protected like the holy grail?

    That’s not gender equality, that’s gender favoritism.

    #74 2 years ago
  75. zinc

    @70, I’m not sure I see what your getting at? Are you suggesting that Men suffer from sexual harassment from Women, to the same extent Women get harassed by Men?

    I think Roadkills desire for Women to actually ask him for pictures of his penis, reveal just how much attention the male gamer receives online.

    #75 2 years ago
  76. OlderGamer

    “You’re saying that my daughter needs my protection more than my son”

    No. But I am saying that your daughter would be a target more then your son.

    “That’s not gender equality, that’s gender favoritism”

    No it isn’t. It is understanding the scope and nature of the problem.

    I don’t think anyone is saying that female based harrassment is worse then other forms. Not sure why you keep going there.

    #76 2 years ago
  77. Da Man

    Oh well, you’re 90 percent right old man. Aside from that PC having an inferior online service =p.

    Dsb being a Google based conscious butthurt brain as usual I see.

    #77 2 years ago
  78. G1GAHURTZ

    “Lets say you have a 14 year old daughterl that wants to play a bit if Halo online DSB, does that change your perception?”

    Put her voice chat and profile on friends only!

    Remember our conversation on this topic in the forum, OG?

    I’ve no idea why you keep insisting that it’s impossible to avoid abuse on a console, when you keep getting told just how easy it is over and over again…

    #78 2 years ago
  79. Da Man

    There’s no way you can harass even a black guy as easy as you can a female, in contrast to males.

    Oh you, hungarian twat.. Yeah, that’s very insulting. No you, brazilian nerd.

    #79 2 years ago
  80. OlderGamer

    But what your doing G1GA is limiting the way she can play. Your in a sense saying that she can’t fully use the service. Lets say your name is Silk or Steph, an adult, paying for the service, you can’t use the same level of features, safely, w/o harrassment, in the same manor as a male.

    She can’t discuss in game strategy. For example.

    So, what, G1GA, you don’t think there is a problem then? Just a bunch of women belly aching and blowing hot smoke about nothing, then? Well they are just over sensitive and emotional anyways, amirite?

    Besides, after all, they could just not talk.

    G1GA when it comes to civil rights, esp gender equality, you sure have some strange(to me) views.

    I am done in this subject, a lot like Steph, I am just going to get pissed. You can’t fight ignorance. There is nothing to debate. Either people get it or they don’t. And, sadly, many don’t.

    I am going to go see if I can set my NFL Fantasy roster, the seaons is about to ramp up, and my wife beat me(badly) last year. I need to at least make it respectable this year lol.

    #80 2 years ago
  81. stretch215

    As a proud, black, American, man I have been called every variation of every typical racist word in existence (pretty often). While I surely don’t like it, it hasn’t stopped me from playing online mp, nor has it stopped me from using my mic. I’ll be damned if some punk ass kid is going to stop me from doing something I thoroughly enjoy. I used to crack jokes at them and argue. Now I’ve begun to tell them that I love them as a brother, no matter what they say. Usually they leave, frustrated with their own ridiculousness. That, or I just MUTE them. This type of behavior is deplorable, but there are numerous ways to filter it if you like.

    #81 2 years ago
  82. stretch215

    @79 ” There’s no way you can harass even a black guy as easy as you can a female, in contrast to males.” You are so wrong. You have no experience, and no clue.

    #82 2 years ago
  83. Da Man

    Well, I’m not into starting a debate featuring the best examples of both worlds..

    #83 2 years ago
  84. zinc

    @83, Yes that would be best left to another quiet Sunday I think :-)

    #84 2 years ago
  85. G1GAHURTZ

    “So, what, G1GA, you don’t think there is a problem then? Just a bunch of women belly aching and blowing hot smoke about nothing, then? Well they are just over sensitive and emotional anyways, amirite?”

    Wow. Why don’t you try actually reading what I wrote, OG?

    Let’s try again, shall we…?

    “Put her voice chat and profile on friends only!”

    Notice the last two words there?

    FRIENDS ONLY!

    I don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth, and you should apologise for that, actually. I never said anything about not talking, and you’ve just made that up completely.

    At the end of the day, online gaming requires the internet. So a 14yo girl requires protecting from the evils of online gaming, just like she would from the evils of the any open web browser.

    Or are you telling me that you just let your kids go to any website that they want, and talk to any paedophile that may be lurking around?

    So if you “limit” how they play the game, you’re doing what’s actually your job, and being a good parent.

    When she’s old enough, if you’ve done your job properly, she should be intelligent enough to make the right choices herself.

    It’s not about restriction, it’s about responsibility.

    #85 2 years ago
  86. OlderGamer

    “FRIENDS ONLY!

    I don’t appreciate you putting words in my mouth, and you should apologise for that, actually. I never said anything about not talking, and you’ve just made that up completely.”

    And you only play CoD with friends G1GA?

    “When she’s old enough, if you’ve done your job properly, she should be intelligent enough to make the right choices herself.

    It’s not about restriction, it’s about responsibility.”

    So what your saying is that because Steph, Silk, and other female incur harrassment and abuse online – they are what:

    “not intelligent enough”

    and/or

    didn’t “make the right choices herself”

    or, perhaps:

    “its about responsibility”?

    And that is what I mean about not argueing the points/message. Your zeroing in on just one example instead of looking at the big picture. Sure as a parent, sure you are watchfull. But adult women gamers are not childeren and do not need looking after.

    Your placing the blame everywhere else, except where it belongs. Female gamers don’t bring the abuse on themself. They didn’t do a darn thing wrong because they are female and want to use the voice chat feature online. The blame is clearly on the people that are doing the harrassment.

    #86 2 years ago
  87. Ireland Michael

    It’s pretty fucking sad that this is even being argued.

    Laughable are the people who think women need to just suck it up and deal with it, but it comes as no surprise that the boys (because using the term men to describe them is an insult to my gender) in this thread with such attitudes are people with severe bullying tendencies.

    You either have respect for women, or you don’t. If you don’t, you’re a pig.

    #87 2 years ago
  88. G1GAHURTZ

    “And you only play CoD with friends G1GA?”

    Maybe I do. For all you know, I only ever play CoD in a party, so I never interact with other players. What does it matter?

    What does it have to do with your ridiculous example?

    Ok, fair enough. If you’re going to go into hard headed mode, I’m going to talk to you like a hard headed person should be spoken to. You brought it on yourself.

    You brought the example of a 14yo girl taking abuse in Halo.

    A FOURTEEN YEAR OLD GIRL.

    No one’s talking about about Steph, silky or any other adult woman. The subject at issue in this point is a young girl.

    YOU weren’t talking about about adults, YOU were talking SPECIFICALLY about a 14yo girl.

    You’re OBSESSED with “OMPFPSs” (only on console, though) being some kind of evil cancer eating away at gaming, so you brought this completely stupid example of a 14yo girl not being able to play a game without taking abuse.

    You can’t get it into your head that all you anyone needs to do to avoid interacting with scum is to change a few simple settings, and you keep repeating the same idiotic gibberish over, and over, and over again, like some sort of goldfish. You get told repeatedly that all you need to do is change a setting. Then you even ADMIT that this is the case, then two days later, you’re at it again!

    What is wrong with you? Are you ok? Do you need help?

    Stop talking utter nonsense! If you can’t handle abuse, change the setting or jog on.

    For your information, I mostly play Free For All, and yes, I play with my mic plugged out. 90% of the time, as soon as I hear anyone speak, I mute them, no matter what they may have said, because I want to concentrate on the game. For MW3, I’ve played about 200 hours online, with the vast majority of that being FFA, where I didn’t chat with anyone.

    So what are you going to say now?

    I’m not enjoying the game??

    Just you think about that before you respond.

    “Female gamers don’t bring the abuse on themself.”

    blah,blah, blah… Quote me in this entire thread where I’ve even mentioned anything about adult female gamers.

    If you can’t, and if you continue to accuse me of sexism, without me even coming close to stating my opinion on this matter, then I’m going to accuse you of Islamophbia and racism, because I’m black and a Muslim.

    Let’s see how you like stupidly unfounded accusations being thrown at you.

    I haven’t said anything about women taking abuse online. I saw your stupid attempt to bring the same old “OMPFPSs are teh baad cuz of teh sxeizm and racializmz dat dey don’t like me.” argument, so I responded.

    #88 2 years ago
  89. Sylrissa

    That reminds me, I’ve been playing in the PS2 beta for awhile now and I may just be lucky or the time I’ve been playing or whatever, but I haven’t gotten any grief yet, so hopefully that’ll last.

    #89 2 years ago
  90. Christopher Jack

    If you don’t like being harassed in an online game, you mute them, if they are sending you messages that frankly go too far, you block & report them. I’ve heard the harassment that goes on towards a girl in games like Halo & frankly, they should be saluted for simply putting that mic on, sexual harassment is inevitable. If the harassment goes too far, again you report them. You can’t control how ‘tards act & complaining to anyone but the service provider is pointless. We already get that people are stupid but telling everyone that time & time again won’t stop anything.

    #90 2 years ago
  91. zinc

    Guys always get so reactionary to these kinds of stories though, don’t we? Just ignore them, it’s only text. Get some thick skin and calm down.

    Geez.

    #91 2 years ago
  92. G1GAHURTZ

    “Online you can just block, mute, quit or ignore it.”

    I believe it was your own son (comment #60) who wrote this, OG.

    Strange that he seems more savvy on this subject than you do…

    #92 2 years ago
  93. Ireland Michael

    @89 Braindead games tend to attract more braindead people.

    #93 2 years ago
  94. someguy2

    @93 You really are an elitist cunt.

    #94 2 years ago
  95. monkeygourmet

    You can prove anything with statistics… :)

    Vg247 seem to be doing a lot of ‘gender’ articles recently, helps with clicks I suppose…

    This ‘so-called’ survey sounds like an absolute load of shite to me.

    The horrible fact is… EVERYONE gets abuse online from 11 year old children who shouldn’t be allowed to play 18 rated games.

    It’s not exclusive, and attaching percentages onto this is a joke.

    #95 2 years ago
  96. monkeygourmet

    @94

    He is the ‘people’s poet’…

    #96 2 years ago
  97. xxJPRACERxx

    This is bullshit. If you’re too emotional and get offended playing online with strangers then just play with friends you know. If you’re minor you shouldn’t even play online with strangers. End of story.

    Also there’s too much pussies in this world. I hope you “men” like Ireland Micheal never go to war because now you’ll have 10000 reasons to be offended, real reasons.

    Remember the tag line of Ogrish? “Can you handle life?”. Yeah, that’s real life. So stop crying because someone said you’re a faggot or ask you to show your tits. Just ignore them, you’ll live. Think that at the same time somewhere someone is getting is throat cut.

    #97 2 years ago
  98. zinc

    @97, Your such a dick.

    #98 2 years ago
  99. Sylrissa

    @97 If you thought like that it would eat away at you, about people staving, homeless or getting killed by one another you’d never be happy.

    That’s not even thinking about living in some parts of the world I would have far less rights just for being a woman, and killed if they learnt of my sexuality.

    Things being worse in other places of the world, doesn’t mean we should just give a free pass to these people and their unacceptable behavior online, the whole “you’re not dead in a gutter so suck it up” doesn’t fly as much as you wish it would.

    #99 2 years ago
  100. viralshag

    But what is the problem with ignoring, blocking, reporting or muting other players? That is what it’s there for after all. Seems like a pretty easy fix to separate those abusive people from yourself.

    I have never really had a problem with abuse online but then I don’t use my mic in random online games. On the times I do I’m happy to mute people for just talking or playing music over their mic.

    It’s also not a console-only problem. To say that people can’t be dicks on other platforms, such as the PC, is just ridiculous.

    #100 2 years ago
  101. Ireland Michael

    I love how half the men completely miss the point.

    They shouldn’t have to, simply because they were born a certain gender.

    Anyone who condones this behaviour is a sexist and a chauvinist.

    #101 2 years ago
  102. fearmonkey

    Wow… What a disheartening bunch of comments…..

    This is a reason why I play much less multiplayer than I used too online. I got tired of the childish bullcrap from the 12 to 16 year olds as well as the older kids and young adults who havent learned how to treat others. Some of you act like trash talking is a virtue……

    I have a thick skin do i don’t take it personally but i do find it very annoying, and would rather not be around it. I noticed the trash talking really take off with Rainbow Six on the original xbox, then move to the COD series mainly. Halo and a few others have some of that, but not near as bad as COD.

    The days of chivalry are dead it seems, todays young adults do not have the maturity and were not raised properly by their parents to be gentlemen to women. When I was a kid, going up to an adult and saying something terrible would proably have got me a smack in the mouth, and my parents would have said i deserved it. Today, that adult would be placed in jail because of the “poor hurt child”. If you grow up having no fear of adults or taught respect, how would it be any different online?

    Trash talklng to other males your age is one thing, but singling out women of any age for sexist comments is disgusting…..

    #102 2 years ago
  103. DSB

    Hyperbole hyperbole hyperbole, followed by moral indignation, followed by bizarre argument that beating kids is somehow the sane response to the shit that comes out of their mouthes.

    That escalated in a hurry.

    Keep up the good work guys. Every ridiculous, exagerated, bleeding heart post brings us closer to an end to sexism! Girl power.

    #103 2 years ago
  104. viralshag

    @101, They shouldn’t have to what?

    #104 2 years ago
  105. OlderGamer

    G1GA, xxJPRACERxx is not my son.

    And you sir are either ignorant or just plan dumb. I am guessing ignorant. So I am goign to set a couple of things straight. Not for you of course, you wouldn’t understand them obviously. But for others that don’t bother actualy reading this thread all of the way thru.

    Ok first up, no he isn’t my son. I have zero clue who he is. My son is Nonamegamer. He doesn’t visit much, and posts even less.

    Secondly, do you understand what an example is?

    I mean really. It is one of a handfull of representations of a greater whole. Hard to explain that w/o actualy using the word example. The 14 yr old case was just that, an example. The female could have been 14 or 40. I chose 14 because it puts it into perspective a bit for some. Every women is someones daughter. I was pulling at heart strings by using the 14 yr old example.

    And in ussual G1GA fashion(man I remember when you used to be cool lol), you grasped on to the wording, while completly missing the meaning of what was written. Look:

    Me: “Lets say your name is Silk or Steph, an adult, paying for the service, you can’t use the same level of features, safely, w/o harrassment, in the same manor as a male.”

    You: “No one’s talking about about Steph, silky or any other adult woman. The subject at issue in this point is a young girl. YOU weren’t talking about about adults, YOU were talking SPECIFICALLY about a 14yo girl”

    Again I refer you the word of EXAMPLE. The 14 yr old girl was an example. The samething applies to other examples, be them 14 or 40. Your daughter or someone elses. You’re just refusing to see that. Not my problem, I laid it out for you.

    Ok next up in your delusion:

    You: “You can’t get it into your head that all you anyone needs to do to avoid interacting with scum is to change a few simple settings,”

    Right, and what if the said female wants to talk strategy? What if she wants to tell a teammate to watch out? The second she opens her mouth, the comments start coming. But your right, as I said, you can start muting people. But at what point does muting something(or a group of someones) chnage the experience of the game? No biggie if once in a while you mute some idiot. But if your female, it isn;t one idiot, it is an army of them.

    My wife and I used to play Halo2 and Mechassult online. So many times the games broke down into people trowing out insults to her, and other players returning them back/defending her. We could and did mute people, sometimes half of the players. I am telling you, that type of experience time after time ruins online gaming.

    But all your doing is latching onto one thing(again) and not seing something in a greater context. Again -

    You: “Stop talking utter nonsense! If you can’t handle abuse, change the setting or jog on.”

    So acording to you, females should not be able to talk in game to other players becaus ethey have to mute them, use friends only chat, or just suck it up and take it. Nice.

    “…..So what are you going to say now?”

    Do you even understand why I asked you what I did? I doubt you do. Because the solution you offered for females is to game with friends only chat.

    You: “Put her voice chat and profile on friends only!”

    I was asking you to look at your own voice chat behavior. To ask yourself if you use friends only chat? The LIVE service features in game chat. Why shouldn’t females be able to fully use it? In each game. In many cases she can’t. If you chose not to plug your mic in, that is a your choice. It is a freedom you are allowed. But for females that freedom is often taken away from them unless they subject themself to verbal harrassment and abuse.

    But it seems your not going to see it that way.

    You: “and if you continue to accuse me of sexism, without me even coming close to stating my opinion on this matter, then I’m going to accuse you of Islamophbia and racism, because I’m black and a Muslim.”

    So very much irony there it isn’t even funny. Your getting riled up and feeling insulted over a thread where your agrueing that Women shouldn’t feel insulted… Turn the whole thing around G1GA, instead of muting me, you could chose not to read my posts. And you show me where I unsulted your race or your relgion?

    “I haven’t said anything about women taking abuse online. I saw your stupid attempt to bring the same old “OMPFPSs are teh baad cuz of teh sxeizm and racializmz dat dey don’t like me.” argument, so I responded.”

    You really need to read up on the word example. And yeah the OMPshooters, tend to be some of the games where the worst harrassment can be found(gender, racial, or otherwise). They also represent the highest concurent users on the most popular platforms(consoles). My guess would be because so many folks have Mics on Live. PC games often require vent/TS/etc those are often paid services where people have pvt servers and other players act respectful unless they are removed. Not always, that was a generality, incase you want to go there. But in my experience, it has always held true.

    Viral, that is why I used the console examples. I never said it doesn’t happend other places too. That is just some folks trying to misdirection the conversation.

    Go play WoW and call some guys wife something nasty and you will be removed from the vent and the raid. It keeps people in line more. A 12 yr old playing Halo doesn’t care. Even if he gets booted, he will find another game in a matter of seconds.

    #105 2 years ago
  106. OlderGamer

    “Wow… What a disheartening bunch of comments…..

    This is a reason why I play much less multiplayer than I used too online. I got tired of the childish bullcrap from the 12 to 16 year olds as well as the older kids and young adults who havent learned how to treat others. Some of you act like trash talking is a virtue……”

    Plus one.

    #106 2 years ago
  107. Ireland Michael

    @105 Why are you wasting your breath?

    #107 2 years ago
  108. viralshag

    @OG, but like you said, on the PC most of the time you will be using a private channel to talk to each other. And I believe most of the time that will be with people you know. I don’t think I’ve ever joined a random vent server, it’s always been through someone I know. You have that same opportunity to do so on a console with party chat.

    Which is what brings me back to joining random chat rooms… if you do that and choose not to silence the abusive or rude people, why join in the first place. I would take the time to do it, so why shouldn’t someone else. I don’t think the loss of an abusive voice has ever made my game experience worse…

    I don’t see why it should be any different for females over males. Just because you’re male doesn’t automatically mean you have thick skin and can take verbal abuse better. Just because you’re female doesn’t mean you will automatically be more offended than a male.

    At the end of the day, there are options for you to cut that stuff out. If you’re going to respond to it or continue to listen to it and get angry, you’re really only fuelling the fire for that type of person.

    #108 2 years ago
  109. absolutezero

    BUT THEY SHOULD’NT HAVE TO

    ;_;

    Fix it. FIX IT.

    How?

    FIX IT.

    #109 2 years ago
  110. zinc

    So 50% of the posters believe some male gamers can be dicks towards women and this is bad.

    50% of posters believe some male gamers can be dicks towards everyone so put up or shut up.

    Conclusion: Male gamers are dicks.

    Depressing.

    #110 2 years ago
  111. absolutezero

    Thats about as accurate as the original survey this article was based on.

    HO HOOOOOOOOOOO

    #111 2 years ago
  112. zinc

    I see your

    HO HOOOOOOOOOOOO

    and raise you a HELL YEAH!!

    #112 2 years ago
  113. DSB

    @110 Because we all know a woman would never project irrational hatred onto anyone.

    Bitch, please.

    #113 2 years ago
  114. zinc

    @113, DSB, Ok it goes like this. Awkward male + Annonymity of the net + GIRLS = overt sexual advances.

    I guess the ‘hatred’ comes in when the GIRL says “er, no, i don’t want to send you pics of my breast, can we just play CoD?”.

    Of course you are free to deny this happens, or maybe that girls should be complemented?

    But please, don’t try to tell me that its something DanishGuy1995 deals with.

    #114 2 years ago
  115. DSB

    @114 I have absolutely no idea what kinds of games you’re playing.

    Seems to me like people are setting up all kinds of fantasy scenarios based on some perverse damsel in distress fetish. Do you have some sort of sick need to rescue women from that sort of thing?

    Who in the hell has time to type in all that while they’re playing CoD, let alone have a detailed conversation?

    We’re talking about guys quickly typing in the word “Slut”, or throwing a quick off the cuff remark. Even the random internet survey seems to say as much.

    What you’re referring to goes on at most schools today. Making chicks send you pictures of their tits has been a treasured childhood memory ever since mobile phones allowed you to do it.

    Guys like tits. Women have ‘em. Comedy ensues. This is not news, nor is it exclusive to gaming in any way.

    #115 2 years ago
  116. zinc

    @DSB, Your preconceptions are valid, but their still preconceptions.

    Example: Have you been asked out on a date whilst playing MW2?

    #116 2 years ago
  117. DSB

    @116 That depends. Does “Suck my balls” mean that a guy wants to get together sometime?

    I think it’s pretty darn cute if someone wants to ask you out during a CoD match. I say go for it.

    #117 2 years ago
  118. zinc

    @DSB, So its never happened. Now go ask a GIRL how ‘cute’ it is and be sure to ask what kind of response she gets for refusals.

    #118 2 years ago
  119. G1GAHURTZ

    Ok, so jpracer isn’t your son. I thought he was for some reason, but I was wrong.

    Never mind…

    Anyway, back to the point and your idiocy.

    You’re such a dishonest character, that you’re just trying to worm your way out of admitting the truth by any means necessary.

    Unless you can’t read, you’ll see that I have already identified that you gave an “EXAMPLE”, and it was this that I was responding to.

    I wasn’t responding to any of the drivel that you’ve been spewing in any other part of the thread. Absolutely NOTHING else. I haven’t gotten involved in the topic of the story for a specific reason. I posted a comment before responding to your ludicrous example, and it had nothing to do with my opinions on women gamers and the abuse that they take.

    You, however, are desperately trying to drag me into it, for whatever reason.

    Regardless, I commented on NOTHING other than your example, so get that into your hard head.

    Why did I do so?

    Because your example is a stupid one.

    Your asinine example of a young girl that can’t play Halo online because of abuse doesn’t stand up, and never will. You’re OBSESSED with this ‘OMPFPSs are evil’ gibberish, that you’re trying to push it in every single story that you can, from every angle.

    Your idiotic example that you used to try and push your pathetic agenda will never work, simply because all it takes is a few settings, and problemo solved.

    Obviously, this simple fact is going to frustrate your argument, so now you’ve changed your angle to: ‘Oh, she can’t play 100% of the game…’

    Which is a complete lie, anyway, because she can play with friends. She can go in a party, like I do, stay in party chat, like I do, and no one will know who she is. I’m quite certain that I play more competitively that you ever will, and I have absolutely NO need to talk to every single person on my team to win a game.

    The exact same rules that apply for me avoiding abuse apply for her. I could quite happily play CoD, or any other online game, for the next 10 years without ever communicating with a random person ever again. I don’t play to talk. I play to win.

    There are dozens of game modes that don’t require any communication whatsoever.

    Anyway, the point is, this should be the basis for ANY young child going online! This is the internet, it’s full of sickos, like O’Connor, who are out to insult, offend and even harm anyone that they can.

    You live in a country where there’s a sexual assault EVERY TWO MINUTES. There is clearly a huge lack of respect for women in general, so obviously, the would-be rapists take their feelings and opinions online.

    A 14yo girl, as in your ridiculous example, clearly needs protecting from that by a responsible parent. Who cares if she can’t talk to everyone on the internet, as long as she’s safe??

    What your moronic example does is say that there’s no way that a 14yo girl can enjoy playing online (specifically on a console game, but not on Wii or PC though, right?) because of the abuse.

    That’s an outright lie, and you know exactly why. There are a wealth of measures that are available, including a range of parental settings, to make sure that kids can play online in a safe environment.

    Block, mute, report.

    Your inane example FAILS.

    Don’t use it again.

    I couldn’t care less for a single other word that you typed. Just get it into your hard head that online abuse from others can be prevented very easily, and stop repeating the same stupid lie in thread, after thread, after thread, because I fully intend to call you out on it every single time.

    And in reality, if there is no way that a child can be protected online, then they shouldn’t play online. End of story. Anyone who disagrees with that isn’t fit to raise a child.

    Would you let your kids go and play in a crack house!?

    “Your getting riled up and feeling insulted over a thread where your agrueing that Women shouldn’t feel insulted…”

    OG, I don’t want to read a single reply from you until you quote me exactly where I even came close to implying that “women shouldn’t feel insulted”. That’s a direct challenge that will clearly show you up as being a liar if you ignore it.

    I have never said this. Ever.

    Quote me or take it back. Don’t just ignore it, or you’re clearly a liar.

    #119 2 years ago
  120. mojo

    yes, this sounds liek the internet.

    #120 2 years ago
  121. xxJPRACERxx

    Thing is people that play online are really competitive and like it or not trash talking is part of that. One of my friend was playing in a female volleyball league and she was a really good trash talker. She told me the kind of things they’re saying between each others during matches and that’s pretty fucked up. This is part of the game. It’s all psychological, they do this in all kind of sports and competitive games, male or female. This is deep in our genes, it’s not something we are taught, it’s something we do instinctively.

    And hey Older Gamer, I do understand what you’re saying. Your best bet is to try to find more casual rooms, servers or join clan/league with strict policies that forbid this can of behavior. But I think trash talking is here to stay, sorry. And lastly, there’s a big difference between trash talk and harassment and I think you don’t make the difference.

    #121 2 years ago
  122. Joe Musashi

    This article is just awful. I’m not dismissing the issue, but the astonishingly narrow view it takes on the issue at hand and applies it in such a selective way to make a gender-based argument.

    What it boils down to is free speech.

    You want free speech. You’re entitled to it. We all are. But that means you’re going to encounter views you either don’t agree with or simply don’t want to hear. Free speech is a double edged sword.

    The issue at hand applies to any platform that enables free speech, anonymity and an audience. Not just XBL. Not just games. Not even just the internet. It’s an injustice and an insult to take this very broad issue and present it so unprofessionally and narrowly as this article and the information it uses as it source do.

    In the context of online gaming – some games encourage collaboration. Most games are straight up competitive and confrontational. They require skill to master, they are intense and any advantage or strategy will be employed to give one person the edge over the other.

    In my opinion, this confrontational and competitive manner extends to the online culture – witnessed in many gaming forums and comment sections.

    Demanding a fix to this issue (the entire issue, not just the gender based aspect that this article pushes) is demanding a ‘fix’ to everyone that exercises free speech.

    That’s just not going to happen and expecting it to is highly unreasonable. If you have an issue with the world you can expect two things to happen:

    1) The world to change to suit you
    2) You to change to deal with the way the world is

    If you’re expecting #1 to happen, prepare for disappointment.

    This article reads, to me, as though it has an agenda. It takes a very broad issue and only concerns itself with how its applied in a very specific way and in a very specific context.

    It makes a big noise about the treatment of women in online gaming and rallies a call.

    Later on, the article also covers exploitation of men by women – using their gender positively as a means of getting an edge in games. But the tone of this is very matter of fact and is not given the same sort of judgemental attention as the ‘aggressive male’ aspect.

    It could be argued that ‘if men allow themselves to be so easily affected in such a way then all the woman is doing is employing a strategy that gives her the edge in the game’. Should we expect online games to curtail that aspect of gender inequality also? If so, wouldn’t this article have been a good place to demand it?

    I don’t dismiss the issue at hand. It amazes me that women still go online at all given the persistently terrible treatment they recieve due to their gender. And I have no issue with any woman who uses her gender to empower herself.

    But you’re never going to solve the main issue without policing the internet and affecting everyone’s level of free speech. Parts of the internet are already being controlled and the notion of net neutrality is being strained already. I would hate to see this extended further as I think it’s a very dangerous road to travel.

    JM

    #122 2 years ago
  123. Da Man

    #94, why even waste your breath? He isn’t, he’s just a deluded mediocrity, who tricked himself into perceiving computer entertainment software in an elitist way (he thinks he’s ‘independent’).

    #123 2 years ago
  124. ManuOtaku

    I know iam late to the party here, its that i just dont post on weekends, but i like to put my point of view on the matter, i think trash talk, harassment, gender and or racist insults etc, shouldnt exist online,while we play games, while we are chatting etc and being a girl or a male, it doesnt matter, like in normal life (society), we need to have norms in order to behave ourselves properly, and because of this the people that behave properly shouldnt refrain or restrain themselves while they play the games or chat, they shouldnt be the ones that establish the filters, like playing with friends or in a party to enjoy a game without including the bad behaviors this thread bring to the table, because we are punishing the people that behave correctly, while we are encouraging and/ or rewarding the people that should be restrained, i mean the one that does those bad behaviors, there should be the ones doing the filtering the ones that need to be isoleted for their bad behaviour, like in everyday life, being online shouldnt be any different, therefore their should be ways to implement this on the online front, just like in real life.

    Having said that i think that womens are more prone to received the harassment or the trash talk than man, especially the sexual ones, i mean comments with a very sexual undertone, and in that mans and womens are very different in nature, the majority of the male audience just one to score on more lady, they dont focus on sentiments or conversation or knowing the women that quite much, you know creating a bond, they just want to score another woman, and because of this they do like the womens that hunts the mans or harass the man, because that facilitates their work, i mean score another women, thats why they dont mind being sexually harassed by the other sex, online or in real life, while the majority of womans they focus on relantionship, creating a bond, and knowing their partner prior to the sexual encounter, and because of this the womans dont like the sexual harassment, becuase they dont want to score a man without the before maiting ritual, and i think this issue is the key in this topic, and this is something that people that think is the same should consider, that why the majority of mans feel flatered or happy with the sexual harassment, while womens dont.

    #124 2 years ago