Nintendo: ‘We’re not milking Mario franchise’ – Iwata

Monday, 20 August 2012 12:27 GMT By Dave Cook

Mario has starred in so many games that it’s hard to keep track of them all, and with two core Mario games currently on Nintendo’s slate, the company’s president Satoru Iwata has reminded gamers that both titles are different and that Mario still offers something you can’t find elsewhere.

The rebuttal comes after New Super Mario Bros. 2 launched at the weekend, and as New Super Mario Bros. Wii U gears up for launch at a later, undetermined date.

Speaking with Kotaku, Iwata explained, “Sidescrolling Mario has a special existence in that it really is part of the fundamental DNA of gamers.”

On the issue of producing too many Mario games in such a small space of time, Iwata explained, “We only create a New Super Mario Bros. title one per platform. I think we’ll probably go ahead and continue at that pace. That being said, that’s probably Miyamoto’s choice, so I can’t give you a 100% guarantee that that’s the pace we’ll continue at.”

But Mario isn’t being milked, Iwata continued, as both titles are very different, “They do share a name and there are some components that are similar. That being said, these are two very unique and separate titles.”

“We have a Mario you can play in the palm of your hand and a Mario you can play seated in front of your TV. I believe the two titles are unique enough that I wouldn’t say that I’m super-worried that people are going to be confused”, Iwata concluded.

What do you think about the volume and frequency of Mario games. Too much, or can you never get enough?


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  1. The_Red

    He says this after revealing THREE freaking Mario games at E3, with two of them being rather identical with similar names (New Super Mario Bros Wii U and New Super Mario Bros 2).

    #1 3 years ago
  2. flashfv

    Don’t really play mario games that much anymore. I’ve played New Super Mario Bros but I don’t own it. The last mario game I enjoyed was Super Mario Sunshine on the gamecube. Super Mario Galaxy I didn’t really like the walking around a sphere concept so I never bought it. But I have rented it and didn’t really like it compared to the gamecube game. Maybe playing mario in hd on the wii u will change my mind about mario games but I don’t really like any of the new ones. But I love the Smash Bros series and the Mario kart series but that’s about all the mario I like these days.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. Christopher Jack

    Even a Mario fan has to admit that the franchise is being milked, it’s their bread & butter. Without milking Mario, Ninty probably wouldn’t be half the company it is. I mean people complain about the yearly releases of CoD, how many Mario games get released every year? I’m not criticizing, clearly there’s enough fans to justify the releases. I don’t like it but I ain’t complaining.

    #3 3 years ago
  4. deathm00n

    No, they don’t milk it, they keep this cow trapped in a basement sucking all it’s milk until it dies, then ressurect it to keep getting more milk and so on.

    If they don’t milk mario I’m the president of the United States

    #4 3 years ago
  5. Christopher Jack

    I wonder when we’ll see the Nintendo defence force. “Mario isn’t milked because… but CoD is because I don’t like it”. Could really say this about any fan of anything, we’re all bias.

    #5 3 years ago
  6. Timurse

    ORLY?! Hahahahahahhaahahhahahaa

    #6 3 years ago
  7. DrDamn

    Individual games in Mario series aren’t milked and tend to be quite limited in release. Mario as a character you could argue more is milked, as this brings in lots of genres and titles. People do tend to continue to buy them though, so you can’t really blame them.

    I’d like to see what some of the teams who produce Mario games could do with less of a leash on a new franchise though.

    #7 3 years ago
  8. Hunam

    They are milking the hell out of it but… as there is no story or detailed lore I don’t see the problem. It’s just an idea and a memorable character and yeah, he gets carted out every nine seconds but I don’t see why anyone would really be that bothered by it.

    #8 3 years ago
  9. polygem

    ah another thread the same haters. again cj you fail to see the difference between cod and mario. while cod 4 and mw3 are pretty much the same game gameplaywise, mario kart, mario galaxy and nsmb or paper mario are totally different games gameplaywise. you should stop moaning about those games in every nintendo article you can find and start playing those games…then you can argue with some knowlege
    i think they have to be carefull now. nsmb2 is a great game but i can understand some of the criticism towards it. it doesn´t have as much freshness as you´d expect from a mario game, the lauch of nsmb wiiu soon doesn´t help much. like i said, nsmb2 is awesome fun and i enjoy every minute with it, highly recommended game, but they have to mind their pacing from now on. i can understand that decission though. the global finance crysis, fukushima…it´s not looking all that great for japanese economics. imo they indeed tried to make a cash in but they at least made a very solid game and in the context i just described i can undrstand it. they should go on now and mind the pacing though.

    and CJ you clearly are seeing me as part of your “nintendo defense force” but who the hell has told you that i don´t like cod? the one who told you lied i can promise you that.

    #9 3 years ago
  10. Fin


    “while cod 4 and mw3 are pretty much the same game gameplaywise”

    NSMB Wii
    NSMB Wii U
    Pretty much every 2D Mario

    Pot, kettle.

    #10 3 years ago
  11. lexph3re

    LMAO @ “and CJ you clearly are seeing me as part of your “nintendo defense force” but who the hell has told you that i don´t like cod? the one who told you lied i can promise you that.”

    You pretty much just isolated yourself on that one there Poly.LOL

    #11 3 years ago
  12. ManuOtaku

    “But Mario isn’t being milked, Iwata continued, as both titles are very different, “They do share a name and there are some components that are similar. That being said, these are two very unique and separate titles.”

    I agree with him, all mario games are very different from the paper mario games, to the 3D mario games, which all of them are very different (mario 64, sunshine, and galaxy), the only thing they have in common is that mario is the lead character, thats all they have in common,although i have to grant the zelda series is the only core nintendo franchise that will fit this description, especially for the later ones, because majoras mask and link to the past are very different, but the past few games are really almost the same, with the exception of handhelds zelda games, but overall i agree with him.

    #12 3 years ago
  13. DrDamn

    All of those titles are on different platforms (DS, Wii, 3DS, WiiU respectively). That can be seen as both a good thing and a bad mind. Good that on a single platform you only have one, bad that if you are a fan you are expected to buy all platforms.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. ManuOtaku

    #10 well those 2d marios came in four consoles, if we count the wii u,neither of those consoles got two of them, therefore is not like having all the four games under the same console, is a very different case, unlike other franchises this generation, and besides how long had pass since nintendo made a main 2d mario platform franchise game.

    #14 3 years ago
  15. OlderGamer

    I would agree with Doc, here.

    Mario is an icon, and he stars in several franchises. But people can’t claim that all Mario games are the same franchise. Each one is different. And that is what is going on. Beit Kart, Galaxy, NSMB, Smash Bros, Sluggers, Strikers, Paper, whatever. All different.

    Even more difference when you consider that Nintendo uses what some of us refer to as gimmicks. Beit waggle, 3D or the up and coming tablet controler. It doesn’t take much to make an experiences feel fresh. Toss in the fact that Mario franchise games don’t come out yearly, normaly only once in a gen(compared btw to SMB, SMB2, and SMB3 all on NES). They are nicly spaced out. And keep in mind a handheld is not a console and vica versa.

    Most of the time a franchise doesn’t change the formula let along core mechanics. Nintendo does that.

    But I ‘pose if you already hate Nintendo, no one can convience you otherwise. And really, why would anyone want to try? Someone could talk till they are blue in the face, I am not gonna like certian games myself. People just like what they like.

    #15 3 years ago
  16. YoungZer0

    What a joke. Of course Mario is being milked. Mario Kart 7 was released last year. 7! Jesus Christ. And since most of the games are in the jump and run genre you can’t use the “But they have different names” argument. They are jump and run games.

    Bad news is that Nintendo has not released an original Mario game since Mario Galaxy, good news is that the Nintendo Fans don’t care. They buy that shit like the CoD crowd.

    #16 3 years ago
  17. Fin


    I wasn’t talking about what console the games came out on, just that it’s a bit rich to say CoD4 and MW3 play the same when NSMB hasn’t changed since 2006.

    #17 3 years ago
  18. Old MacDonald

    15: But you can’t escape the fact that they’re milking Mario as a character. When he’s headlining so many games, it’s easy to get a bit fed up with him. I wish Nintendo would let their games speak for themselves instead of trying to shoehorn everything into that silly Mario-universe.

    If we focus on AAA titles, when was the last time they did an original game not connected to any of their existing characters & universes? I actually can’t remember.

    #18 3 years ago
  19. KrazyKraut

    #19 3 years ago
  20. ManuOtaku

    #17 well yes agree they play the same, but they do it that way becuase they release a new console they creating a game that is new to the system, even if it plays the same from previous iterations, at least the graphics are getting an update like the WiiU version, but thats not the case with COD, and even COD is now coming on monthly basis.

    #20 3 years ago
  21. DLTDawnlight

    I thought NSMB2 felt milked. This is probably the only part of the Mario series that feels milked IMO. Aside from coin collecting, it felt too much of the same from the DS version released in 2006. NSMBWii hardly did anything new other than multiplayer. Sorry but I need something more than a few new powerups to feel different from the other games. 3D Land on the other hand did not feel milked at all. It felt like Galaxy meets NSMB and I thought it felt very unique.

    #21 3 years ago
  22. OlderGamer

    But that is what they do Old MacDonald. they create a fun, colorful, cheerful, vibrant, friendly game space. And that game space covers many franchises.

    #22 3 years ago
  23. ManuOtaku

    #18 while i agree that they are milking his as a character, i dont complain of seeing and X actor performing different roles in an X amount of movies (insert prefered actor/actress), therefore i dont complain here, the thing that matters the most in my eyes is that the games are different.

    #23 3 years ago
  24. Gadzooks!

    #15 wins the thread.

    There’s a gang of idiots here, all trolling the same Nintendo threads, bleating the same uninformed garbage.

    It’s interesting to see how fear rallies the stupid and agressive into a mob.

    #24 3 years ago
  25. Fin




    Honestly, I want Nintendo back to the way they were during the Gamecube era. Good third party games, good first party games, good controller, no gimmicks. Give me some new IP too (last week Sony announced four new IPs – how long do you have to go into Nintendo’s history to get four?) and I’ll be happy out!

    #25 3 years ago
  26. ManuOtaku

    #25 not to try to sound like a broken record here but since the last decade we had batallion wars, baten kaitos, xenoblade, chibi robo, custom robo,disaster day of crisis, dynamic blade, pikmin and luigis mansion, therefore they do or publish new IP´s, the thing is some gamers dont care

    #26 3 years ago
  27. OlderGamer

    For what it is worth Fin, new IPs don’t sell like even maybe they should. Sony has done a great job of putting out new franchises this gen, but that hasn’t translated into killer sales.

    Not making excuses, I like new IPs too, just pointing out that in todays game world, new IPs don’t automaticly equal sales. Say what you like, Nintendo has sold a lot of games this gen.

    And Nintendo isn’t the only one thinking like this. MS let Bungie go, while hanging onto and continuing Halo(about to release the 5th one this gen). Acti uses mutli studios to put out their yearly CoD releases(I don’t even know the number of releases CoD has had this gen).

    I mean really folks, Nintendo isn’t Milking Mario anymore then anyone else is milking their top IPs either.

    #27 3 years ago
  28. Old MacDonald

    Microsoft is pretty much a disaster as a games publisher, so there’s no point in comparing anything to what they do.

    #28 3 years ago
  29. ManuOtaku

    OG what worries me the most, is that people criticize nintendo of milking franchises, with and undertone like if they want them to stop making games forever, and therefore leaving this industry for good, say what you want and will, but i dont see that with the other two manufacturers, thats the main reason i do see the need to defend them here and another nintendo related posts, if people like their gods of war, ratchets, slys, gears,fables, halos, CODs, kudos to them, i hope they keep doing more, just for the people that likes them, and for me becuase i like them too, the thing is that i just hope they have the same empathy torwards nintendo, even if they dont like them, just for the people that like nintendo games, but i grant is a wishfull thinking here.

    p.s and i will dare to say it some people here will be happy if the WiiU fails hard , and put nintendo in a dire situation, really cant we all be happy with the games we like?, human nature at its best

    #29 3 years ago
  30. DrDamn

    “Most of the time a franchise doesn’t change the formula let along core mechanics. Nintendo does that.”

    This can be very much a perspective thing. To a fan close to a series they see changes as having a much bigger impact than those who aren’t fans. Whilst I agree Nintendo are better than most in this respect a lot of others do too. Changes which from the outside seem minimal can have a big impact. For example I remember a certain poster claiming “Forza is Forza” just after Horizons had been shown ;)

    #30 3 years ago
  31. OlderGamer

    Well, tbh Manu, these folks on this site down’t matter. They are a aging core demographics. And in the grand scheme of gaming, the audiance is expanding beyond them, and the pull of the core dempgraphics isn’t what it used it be. I think that is why so many of these posters are angry and aim that at Nintendo.

    They see Nintendo as the poster child for the eurosion of core gamings influence. That is where the anger comes from. Imo.

    #31 3 years ago
  32. OlderGamer

    Your right Doc, but here is the funny thing:

    “To a fan close to a series they see changes as having a much bigger impact than those who aren’t fans.”

    Why would a non fan care enough to go to a thread and light it up with hate?

    As for that Forza poster, just blasphemy!

    #32 3 years ago
  33. ManuOtaku

    #31 yes i do agree i also think is that, but then again you see games like LBPK, modnations, sega racers and all stars coming to the other platforms, and they do like that, those are not hardcore in the slightest, buy they are happy and very supportive that they do exist and are coming on the other consoles, while they attack and criticize nintendo for milking them or doing them or for being kiddy in other posts, dont get me wrong i want those games coming to other consoles just as well, and i will get them too, but really i dont understand them at all, so i will say is that much to ask to all be happy, nintendo and non nintendo followers?

    #33 3 years ago
  34. polygem

    @lexph3re: i have a lot to criticize about cod, yet the gameplay is just great. why are some people here generalising everything. you know, looking for stuff and then putting it out of the context wont make anyone buy into your “arguments”…

    #34 3 years ago
  35. polygem

    “They see Nintendo as the poster child for the eurosion of core gamings influence. That is where the anger comes from. Imo.”

    i think this really nails it. some are still thinking gaming isn´t mainstream yet. they believe it is something only a few do understand: the hardcore gamers, they are the hardcore crowd (mostly owning just one console though, but that one is the most hardcore of course). they do not want their moms to play with the same console they are playing with, even if she plays different games. it´s their holy cow. their escapism. i can understand that attitude, it is legit for the 12 to 23 year olds, but it´s not reflecting reality. if you look at all the mainstram efforts sony and ms are taking…

    #35 3 years ago
  36. YoungZer0

    I just love the blatant ignorance of Nintendo Fans. I seriously rather have a discussion with DmC Haters than those people. They just love to live on their isolated island where they can talk about Nintendos greatness.

    “I think Nintendo should start creating new franchises.”

    “God, you’re such a hater, please leave this topic, i can not bear the sight of a person disagreeing with me. It doesn’t matter if your arguments are valid, i don’t want to see Nintendo stepping up their game, because that would mean that could potential risk something.

    Doesn’t matter that they are already risking everything by not doing anything new.

    You’re just angry and mad at Nintendo because they are the poster child for the ‘eurosion’ of core gamings infuence.”

    #36 3 years ago
  37. ManuOtaku

    #36 Young but they made and publish new IPS, see my post 26, the thing is it doenst matter if they do it, people will complain because in the end it will come to being kiddy and casual, therefore the crux of the issue is not lacking on anything, is nintendo being nintendo IMHO.

    #37 3 years ago
  38. polygem

    @36: yet another one looking for stuff, then putting it out of context, then calling others ignorant. it´s obvious for everyone that it´s a typo, erosion. i agree that there´s a lot of ignorance to be found in the comment sections of nintendo articles, but mostly from the naysayers who always put out the big guns like: kids games, no new ip´s, shovelware. you know, all the arguments that just are not true, still get repeated over and over and over again…then they complain when someone says: hey, that´s not true, they go even further, they call them ignorant fanboys…hmmm, treadmill.

    #38 3 years ago
  39. Christopher Jack

    I’d also like to see Ninty go back to the way they were with the Gamecube but they can’t. It’s already been established that they can’t directly compete with Sony. Now with MS in the picture, they have no hope. If Ninty had the same sales with the Wii that the Gamecube received, they probably wouldn’t be in the home console market any more. Quite a shame how they can’t cater to the core (Fifa, CoD, GTA, etc) with appropriate hardware.

    For the first year or two- before the PS4 & Xbox 720, the Wii U will receive certain core games but as the game engines get more complicated & resource hungry, you’ll see less & less core games hit the system without severe compromises- & that’s if you’re lucky. If you’re looking for a next gen console, look elsewhere, if you’re looking to get your Mario+ Zelda & gimmicky fix, they you will definitely be in luck.

    #39 3 years ago
  40. polygem

    i am always and only looking for great games that´s all

    #40 3 years ago
  41. Fin


    Yup, Nintendo’s put all their eggs into one basket (courting the audience that bought Wiis). Problem is, that audience has moved on to phones, tablets and Facebook. They’re not going to spend $300 buying a dedicated games console after the Wii.

    Wouldn’t surprise me if this is the last home Nintendo console. Unfortunate, but that’s what happens when you ignore progress around you (online mp, online marketplaces, third parties) and do your own thing.

    #41 3 years ago
  42. DrDamn

    One man’s gimmick is another man’s refreshing change.

    #42 3 years ago
  43. ManuOtaku

    #41 “Wouldn’t surprise me if this is the last home Nintendo console. Unfortunate, but that’s what happens when you ignore progress around you (online mp, online marketplaces, third parties) and do your own thing”

    And thats precisely why i think they will do good with the WiiU, third party will be better than with the Wii, because of the scalable issue in the game engines, now WiiU could run UE3 and UE4, cryengine 3, and the future ones that will be coming in next gen, something that the Wii didnt do, as for the online they are improving a lot alltogheter with their online market place, they took and are taking the right steps, and for that i think the WiiU will do fine.

    #43 3 years ago
  44. polygem

    @40: but that´s exactly what they are doing now with wiiu: miiverse and a strong online, the e-shop is growing and even attracting a lot of developers who mainly developed for tablets and phones, third parties are in because the wiiu is hd. you have the gamepad but also the option to play with that great looking pro controller. the 3ds is pretty strong too now. i think it´s a coup, it is great timing. the wiiu by the end of this year is perfect timing actually for nintendo to enter the hd, they are not too late, not at all. the wii was a great success. i cannot see a reason why the wiiu should fail, imho i think it will make nintendo an even stronger competitor.

    #44 3 years ago
  45. Christopher Jack

    @42, Yes, perhaps not with the core, but if it can prove useful or be implemented well, it may catch on. I remember when the dualshock’s analog sticks were considered an unnecessary gimmick but now, it’s part of every standard controller design. I really do get tired of Ninty loyalists taking insult when someone calls something they own a gimmick. Remember, gimmick isn’t necessarily a taboo word but it does require an open mind to even approach & is essential for innovation. How well the gimmick works really goes down to perspective- everyone has their own opinion.

    #45 3 years ago
  46. Da Man

    MS didn’t let Bungie go, 343 consists largely of ex-Bungie employees. There were 3 bloody Resistances and 3 bloody Killzones all coming out in between 2 Halo titles (excluding Odst), just because others did poorly doesn’t mean they aren’t milking material more than Halo Legends ever was. I’m not even going to count all the CoDs and Bfs.

    Mario is the most milked, the most done to death character next to miserable Sonic (if you count all his futile attempts). The biggest cash cow indeed.

    #46 3 years ago
  47. polygem

    mario is like donald duck, he never gets old ;)

    #47 3 years ago
  48. OlderGamer

    Yeah I will own the typos and poor typing. I have never been able to spell, and have ignored pretty much any sense of mechanics. I just can’t get my brain to work that way. Been an issue all my life. Unless I am getting paid for my words, I just let it go.

    I am a story teller. I infuse personality, and I hope a uniqueness that makes what I write worth reading. And I am not talking about my posts on the internet. I have long been a published auther. However the downside of that is can’t write to form or mechanicly. I just can’t lol. I have an editor, believe it or not, that I use when I need one.

    You folks, your gonna get what you get from me. So, here is a blanket apology for things past, present, and future. Sorry if it bothers you.

    Here is one of my fav qoutes:

    “Those who can create are writters, those who can write are English teachers.”

    One of my Highschool English teachers.

    #48 3 years ago
  49. polygem


    #49 3 years ago
  50. DrDamn

    Agree on the word Gimmick, it’s often used detrimentally though.

    The Wii-U “gimmick” is what attracts me greatly, however I don’t see it being as attractive to the masses as the Wii controller was. I can see a lot of potential and uses for the WiiU controller, none of which are easily explainable or demonstrable. At least not in the way you could with the Wii controller. It’s more attractive to me for “core” gaming reasons too, possibly why I don’t yet see how it will sell as well as the Wii.

    #50 3 years ago
  51. ManuOtaku

    Poly & OG LOL :)

    #51 3 years ago
  52. DrDamn

    I always hated Donald Duck too :D

    #52 3 years ago
  53. OlderGamer

    @Doc, me too. I am more of a Daffy Duck fan :)

    #53 3 years ago
  54. YoungZer0

    @37: Sorry, but your list is wrong, the last original franchise Nintendo created was Pikmin. That’s 2001. The games you mentioned were published by Nintendo. Completely different thing.

    @41: “Problem is, that audience has moved on to phones, tablets and Facebook. They’re not going to spend $300 buying a dedicated games console after the Wii.”

    Exactly, not to mention that Ouya is going to be released next year and that console is going to cost $99.

    @42: Too bad that Nintendo is the only developer that never properly used their own gimmicks.

    @43: Sorry, i don’t know what third party you’re talking about, but so far N has nothing to show, besides rereleases. The only interesting third party game is that Zombie game. And last time i checked Epic said that they are not planning on porting UE4 to the WiiU. Everytime i read an article from a third party developer talking about the Wii, it’s never really positive. No one is excited to use hardware that’s a little bit better than what we got now. They want to move on, and you bet your ass they are going to leave Nintendo in the process.

    Nintendo has ignored the progress for far too long, the ridiculous MiiU crap is not going to change shit about that.

    The only question you should be asking yourself is on which Platform the next Mario title is going to be released: XBox720 or PS4.

    @44: Just reading lines like “the wiiu by the end of this year is perfect timing actually for nintendo to enter the hd, they are not too late, not at all.” makes me realize how blind you are. Really? I mean all developers are talking about how this generation has been going on for far too long and all you have to say is “Well, it’s not too late yet!”

    You’re as out of touch as Nintendo.

    #54 3 years ago
  55. Dragon246

    They are not milking the franchise yet, but the 3ds nsmb was surely a bit disappointing .
    OG said earlier ninty games sell, sony exclusives don’t . It surely is ironic. No matter what “gamers” say , no one wants new games and ips, just established ones like mario, cod etc.

    #55 3 years ago
  56. ManuOtaku

    #52 add to pikmin then, baten kaitos and xenoblade because now they do own the developer, and besides publishing and being only found on the nintendo systems, is almost like if they done the IP, they clearly want new games on their system, and that worked also for quite some time to the other manufacturers with key core franchises (crash,ratchet,twisted metal,etc), therefore i dont understand the differintiation only torwards nintendo.

    “And last time i checked Epic said that they are not planning on porting UE4 to the WiiU”

    I meant for is scalable thing, even phones and tablets will get scalable versions of the UE4 games, the same will happen with the wiiU, thats the plus compare with the Wii.

    “Nintendo has ignored the progress for far too long, the ridiculous MiiU crap is not going to change shit about that”

    They are doing it, they took and are taking the right steps, and the 3DS is a demostration of this and the WiiU will improve upon that, the 3DS is doing good on that regard, i just hope they dont go to progress about it like the other two, i dont want Always connected for my single player games, therefore in some regards i appreciate nintendo being not current with the progress.

    “@44: Just reading lines like “the wiiu by the end of this year is perfect timing actually for nintendo to enter the hd, they are not too late, not at all.” makes me realize how blind you are. Really? I mean all developers are talking about how this generation has been going on for far too long and all you have to say is “Well, it’s not too late yet!”

    Thats an interesting point, i think one of the key things for the success of the wii was the non HD approach, right now is when this tech has been adopted way beyond 60% on households, but that was not the case two years or six years ago, one has to wonder why the ps3 and 360 did had an consistently and systematic increase on their selling units, during the increase on the HD adoption rate, i dont know myself, but it seems worth running an analisis on this, becuase i think it has some correlation, more than you or i might think.

    #56 3 years ago
  57. Da Man

    People want new ips, they just don’t want poor and unnecessary new ones.

    #57 3 years ago
  58. Bojangles

    “add to pikmin then, baten kaitos and xenoblade because now they do own the developer, and besides publishing and being only found on the nintendo systems, is almost like if they done the IP”

    No. Baten Kaitos was developed by Monolithsoft before Nintendo had a controlling stake in them. It’s not ‘as if’ Nintendo ‘done the IP’. They didn’t. Its very black and white. Also, Monolithsoft have supported platforms besides Nintendos – including mobile phones.

    I think there’s more than enough straw-men and personal projection being thrown about without people performing revisionist history to try and give extra credit to a company that isn’t entitled to it.

    Also: this and this.

    #58 3 years ago
  59. OlderGamer

    I think, Dragon, that the amount of investment is key. Games cost a lot of money, more if you factor in DLC. If the average joe on the street is going to drop 60usdplus dlc, he is prolly going to want to know what he is getting and have confidence in the brand. He knows exactly what he is getting with Halo, CoD, or Mario.

    I see a lot of new IPs that sell extremly well in the PC/Mobile Inide scene. But the entry points are not a barrier. Take a look at the Mobile market if you drop 2, 3, or 5usd on a game for your tablet, and it bombs you lost the equivilent of a burger at a fast food joint. No biggie. And you find gamers more willing to roll the dice on a new IP.

    Everything in this industry revolves around price and value.

    #59 3 years ago
  60. killersense

    i don’t know why it is so hard for some of you to call it milking. look at all the reviews for the latest game. they all have one thing in similar which is “been there, done that”.

    #60 3 years ago
  61. polygem

    @YoungZero: you shouldn´t forget that, even if it´s not new ip´s most nintendo ip´s really do cover a lot of different genres. i really don´t want to repeat myslef but, you know, i love the ratchet and clank series, but every r+c game is, at it´s core, the same. that must not be a bad thing, but you cannot say that about many kirby, zelda or mario games. they are most of the time completeley different YET the same games: a huge nintendo strength, something ms and sony are desperateley trying to achieve as well. it is a very very clever concept. they´ve taken good care of their ip´s right from the start. if you look a t a classic zelda game and skyward sword, it has the same gameplay elements, yet it is a different game, then compare those two to the ds game phantom hourglass: again very different, very innovative and yet a loveletter to the classic zelda games. even more so this is visible in mario galaxy and paper mario, i could go on about this for quite some time, because this is nintendos concept and you can find countless examples for this. you definitely cannot say they lack creativity in their games. they rely on established ip´s, that´s true but they don´t “milk” them. there´s always something new, innovative and fresh about them…well most of the time;)
    that said, i would count a lot of games into the new ip department eventhough they feature the same ol´charakters. this is clever because people know and love those charakters, they, like og pointed out, trust the brand…all this and the consequent quality and polish of those titles lead to the success and great sales of those games.

    #61 3 years ago
  62. polygem

    @60: everyone admitted that this game did cross that margin or missed it only slightly…

    #62 3 years ago
  63. manamana

    Nintendo is doing what every company would do, if they have a global brand that works multi-discipline. I wonder why they are not already on more merchandise stuff. And yes, it’s milking Mario (the maskot). And they should totally go on with it, as it must be the best known videogame character around the globe.

    #63 3 years ago
  64. OlderGamer

    In my book Milking = riding your top franchise. All of the big pubs do it. Halo 4 will be the 5th halo release this gen, on the same system. How many CoDs have we seen this gen? Gears 4 in on its way. How are those things not milking? Where are the complaints about that? Cause I have to tell you I am very much with the “been there, done that” feeling about those franchises.

    NSMB was out for Wii. The sequel is on a gameboy(you don’t think MS would put Halo on a handheld if they had one?), (Sony does it with there handheld and console with their franchises). Galaxy plays way different then NSMB, different franchises. Galaxy has had two releases this gen. Two. There has been one console Mario Kart release this gen, how many NFS or even Forzas have there been this gen? There have been 4 Dirt releases this gen(only one being different from the other three).

    It isn’t so much Nintendo Defence Force fanboy crap, as much as it is some of you guys not seing the big picture(Edit: Manamana hits it on the head). If a game company has a soild selling franchise…how can you not expect them to make games in that franchise? each platform holder is going to ride their Icons all of the way to bank if they can.

    Mario isn’t anymore over exposed then Master Chief, Nathan Drake, L. Croft(edit fixed :) ), or any other sucsessful franchise. Some of you are just looking for reasons to hate. This is a great headline tag, it grabs attention, hands out pitch forks, and points you guys towards gathering lynch mob.

    #64 3 years ago
  65. Da Man

    Halo 3 (2007)
    Halo Reach (2010)
    Halo 4 (2012)

    CoD 3 (2006)
    CoD WaW (2008)
    Cod MW2 (2009)
    CoD BO (2010)
    CoD MW3 (2011)
    CoD BO2 (2012)

    Exactly the same..

    Mario is easily even more milked than any of those though.

    Nathan Drake has a long way to go until he gets the same level of exposure.

    #65 3 years ago
  66. OlderGamer

    DM, your missing:

    Halo ODST
    Halo Aniversery

    And you need to remember that Not all games that Mario appears in are in the same franchise. A smash Bros game isn’t a Kart game isn’t galaxy, isn’t Paper mario etc. Plus, just like Sony, Nintendo puts its franchise games on both console and handheld. We are talking mostly about per console releases.

    #66 3 years ago
  67. Clupula

    Of course Mario is a milked franchise. It’s ridiculous to say otherwise. And yes, other companies do it too. There’s no need for a new Halo every year. There’s no need for 900 Ratchet & Clank titles. There’s no need for so much Call of Duty.

    But the Nintendo Defense Force, perhaps blinded by the “Nintendo magic” will get all pissy and soil their cub scout leader uniforms if you point out that Mario is probably THE most milked franchise of all time. There are how many Mario games? 30? 40? There is no denying it’s being milked. I can’t say to death, though, because Nintendo fanboys, like a human centipede, will just keep eating what you give them, no matter how it tastes.

    #67 3 years ago
  68. manamana

    @65 what about the first CoDs while we are at it. And don’t you forget all the handheld and iOS versions. :-D

    #68 3 years ago
  69. manamana

    @67 you are funny

    #69 3 years ago
  70. Da Man

    Odst came with H3 multiplayer disc, which contained all Dlc maps. And both that and Anniversary weren’t even being sold for $60.. Anniversary contained a free dlc map pack too.

    Now compare all the newly added features which appeared in H3 and Reach to yearly rereleases of CoD.

    ..why even try putting them side by side.

    And yes, other companies do it too. There’s no need for a new Halo every year.

    #70 3 years ago
  71. polygem

    oh oh og…that ´laura´ croft typo will come back to you some day. it will be abused as the main evidence that you know nothing about videogames at all forever :D

    #71 3 years ago
  72. Clupula

    Actually, I’ve known two women named Lara. Both get very annoyed if you call them Laura.

    #72 3 years ago
  73. OlderGamer

    ODST was a stand alone, on the shelf boxed release. It had a individual SP campaign, because Halo is an online focused franchise, it also included Halo3 MP content. I bought Aniversry, preorderd for 60usd at a US gamestop.

    You will get no contest from me about CoD being over exposed. I was just pointing out that with mario, Nintendo isn’t alone with that. Like Manamana pointed out, if you have a world wide brand that sells, of course your going to make games. Would be crazy to do so.

    But I don’t think Nintendo has put out one Mario franchise with more then 2 releases for their console this gen. Galexy, for example had two releases.

    #73 3 years ago
  74. polygem

    @67: what about the paper mario vs mario galaxy vs. nsmb vs. 3d land vs. mario kart (and so on)….., kirby mass attack vs. epic yarn vs canvas curse (and so on), phantom hourglass vs. skyward sword vs. link to the past (and so on), kid icarus myths and monsters vs. kid icarus uprising, metroid prime vs other m, yoshi touch and go vs yoshis island, part didn´t you understand? please just check those games out yourself before you pretend those are all the same.

    #74 3 years ago
  75. Da Man

    Anniversary cost $40 on release, and came with a $15 map pack.

    #75 3 years ago
  76. polygem

    see? the lara bit, just as i posted it too….hilarious

    #76 3 years ago
  77. OlderGamer

    I paid 60usd. I have me reciept still in the box. I know the price droped soon after. But does that mean we don’t have to count Mario games either? After all they don’t cost 60usd either. Brand new they are 50usd.

    #77 3 years ago
  78. OlderGamer

    Yeah I fixed it lol. These guys are like pirhana. They can’t win on arguments and merrits, so they take what they can get.

    #78 3 years ago
  79. polygem

    indeed. i really like the nintendo pricing. in germany it´s 39 to 49 (very rare) euros for a new wii game, 39 for a new 3ds game. i paid 36 euros for nsmb2 on amazon on launch. that´s perfect pricing imho.

    #79 3 years ago
  80. Da Man

    Old man, it cost $40, new. You bought it for $60, preordered.

    #80 3 years ago
  81. ManuOtaku

    #58 Ok fair enough, but then lets give the same treatment to all the key core IP´s on all the manufacturers, for example twisted metal, crash, ratchet etc just to name a few, and unlike you guys i give credit where the credit is due to sony for publishing those tittles and to have those tittles on their systems, and the same is with nintendo they do support a lot to new franchises as well, the ones they do and the ones that they publish that appear only on their system, therefore brand new IP´s, appear only on nintendo system, like the beofre mentioned games, thats my point, and for the record from now on baten katios and xenoblades games, if they come into the future are now nintendo IP´s, and mostly because they didnt appear on other consoles, just nintendo.

    #81 3 years ago
  82. Da Man

    #82 3 years ago
  83. Bojangles

    @81. No, let’s just see this for what it is: double standards, splitting hairs and introducing any ‘technicalities’ so that can get COMPANY X a nice shiny ‘can do no wrong’ medal.

    Something appearing on a Nintendo console doesn’t automatically make it a Nintendo IP. Stop crediting Nintendo for things they haven’t done.

    #83 3 years ago
  84. ManuOtaku

    #83 well that goes both ways too then.

    #84 3 years ago
  85. polygem

    it is hopeless…you hear? HOPELESS! sigh sigh sigh

    #85 3 years ago
  86. manamana

    Unless you hate Mario, this is your review:

    Btw. Everything from Classic Game Room is worth a view. Unless you don’t call yourself a gamer, that is.

    #86 3 years ago
  87. Bojangles

    @84 What a meaningless statement. That just sounds like immature petulance.

    And can there be less of this dismissive knee-jerk labelling of “hater” or “basher” to those that don’t fall in line with your particular view? It suggests an extremely narrow view.

    #87 3 years ago
  88. polygem

    @86: YEA! classic game room all the way. my favourite gaming youtube channel by far. i do highly recommend them too. loving those reviews. most reliable. for my taste.

    #88 3 years ago
  89. ManuOtaku

    #87 inmature petulance is that your passion agaisnt nintendo is making you spit over the pretty good sony gaming tradition, games like twisted metal ,uncharted, crash, among others,were published by sony and cemmented its position on the gaming industry and only appear on sony consoles, they are pretty great, but according to you sony doesnt deserve that accolate, because nintendo neither does, because you have to sustain your idea that nintendo doesnt have any new games or new IPS, funny thing.

    #89 3 years ago
  90. Bojangles

    @89 Any third party making a game on a platform does not mean that the platform holder automatically owns that IP.

    Whoever they are. Yes, even Nintendo.

    @91 I finally interpreted it. But you and a couple of others here are like a little clique. You commented about regular ‘haters’ appearing. Did you notice that regular ‘defenders’ are just as prevalent? Its the same pattern of behaviour on both sides.

    #90 3 years ago
  91. polygem

    yea manu…your argumets are so damn spot on you are scaring the shit out of me too ;)

    #91 3 years ago
  92. viralshag

    Only 8 comments from another 100 post pointless Ninty debate! Go guys! You can do it!

    #92 3 years ago
  93. Bojangles

    I just noticed that the “We’re not milking Mario” wasn’t actually said by Iwata. It’s a headline to this article and its an implication made by it – but it’s not a claim made outright by the man himself in the source interview.

    So, I guess if he’s not denying it then….

    #93 3 years ago
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  97. lexph3re


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    #100 3 years ago
  101. OlderGamer

    What is the alternitive Boja?

    Sure the same folks are going call bullshit when they smell it. The catalyst is that the same round table of haters head into Nintendo threads and start up. What do you supose would happen if I trolled MS threads? DaMan and friends would jump all over that stuff. If I trolled Sony threads Lex and friends would do the samething. If you smack a bee hive the bees are going to come buzzing out.

    So someone strolls into a nintendo thread and claims they are only kids games. Or Nintendo has zero new games. Or Nintendo has old tech. Yeah, Manu, Poly, Gad, OG, and friends are going to call it Bullshit.

    It isn’t some sort of magical defense force, instead they are just fans. Beit DM, Lex, or Manu. Superfans maybe, but fans. And also this threads MVP goes to Dave ;) The way a thread is titled is often key to getting thread hits. This title pits fan vs fan. It is a calculated move.

    What if the title read: Iwata says, “We only create a New Super Mario Bros. title one per platform. I think we’ll probably go ahead and continue at that pace.” He goes on to assure gamers that each game offers unique and different gameplay. See the difference? Both headlines are truthful. But each paints a different picture. Happens all of the time.

    Poor Nintendo? victim? No. But when a thread pushes or gets over 100posts…there is often a reason. People want to be able to validate their pov on something. So anti nintendo folks will use a headline like this one as motivation and think it is validation. And Nintendo fans are drawn in because they feel offended. Perfect brew. So we get what we get, over and over again. To some degree it is fun. but really, neither side is going to “win” no one is going to convince the other or convert them.

    So all a fan can do is call bullshit when it pops up, beit DM, Lex or Poly.

    So, Mr. Bojangles, what else do you expect people to do?

    #101 3 years ago
  102. OlderGamer

    I just saw your last post Boja, and agree with ya. The crazy part is that it happens over and over.

    #102 3 years ago
  103. stretch215

    Thanks for the show fellas ;) you ninty guys get flack (I can only speak for myself) because of your (sworn?) allegiance to a damn game company. I honestly find it a bit bizarre. Sure, everyone is going to have a preference, but you guys are extreme. I think there are (always) valid points on both sides of these little internet wars.

    #103 3 years ago
  104. Clupula

    @103 – that’s the thing. Those of us who pick on them tend to not have any allegiance to a game company, with the exception of Da Man, who pretty much goes out of his way to defend anything Microsoft does to a disturbing degree. I have bought Sony systems the last three gens, because they had the best products for that gen. Before that, I preferred Sega. I remember even considering an X-box when the first one came out.

    I just feel like these people have these weird blinders on when it comes to Nintendo. Using terms like “Nintendo magic” and claiming that Nintendo don’t make games aimed for children while also claiming that Mario is not a milked franchise… I mean, it’s quite mental, innit?

    #104 3 years ago
  105. OlderGamer

    Pretty sure that most of us defending Nintendo also own multi systems. I know I do. And perhaps we “defend” them because we enjoy the games? Maybe more that and less that we are pledging anything to anyone? Crazy huh?

    And really Clu, mental is not being able to distinguish a difference between the different games that Mario is in. But I guess that must be your blinders kicking in ‘eh?

    “Those of us who pick on them tend to not have any allegiance to a game company, with the exception of Da Man, who pretty much goes out of his way to defend anything Microsoft does to a disturbing degree. I have bought Sony systems the last three gens, because they had the best products for that gen.”

    lol, really? Do you read your posts? So let me get this straight. You don’t like DaMan because he likes a different system then you? You have been loyal to Sony for three gens(psst they have only been in the games world for three gens), but you can call Me a fanboy, yet your not one yourself?

    And thru all of that you feel the need to “pick on” gamers that enjoy Nintendo games because they are the ones pledging aliengences to a game company? You see the holes right? Prolly not, again the blinders thing.

    #105 3 years ago
  106. lexph3re

    I just wanted to be the 100th comment. Personally I don’t care about the console I care about the games I ENJOY. I don’t enjoy a lot of nintendo games like I did 4-16 years ago like I use too. And, I don’t enjoy MS games after Xbox 1. No fandom here just a gamer who buys what he likes…. yup yup

    #106 3 years ago
  107. polygem

    i´ve said all i wanted already here actually but there are a few things to add. i am multiplat too. i totally love some of the sony ip´s and i am a halo guy…said that several times. there is no such thing as a “allegiance to a damn game company”. don´t make that up. if you read all the pro nintendo comments here and be honest to yourself you would agree.
    @ clupula: you know what´s so funny about all this? that i did just read the” How long do you wait to buy a new system? ” thread on the forum…
    you pointed out that you only own a ps3 because you have that strange ermmm sorry straight 20 exclusives rule, while cj here posted that he is a student not having enough cash to buy every system.
    y´know, all that´s totally fine and all, i was a student too but why on earth are you guys so full of hate towards nintendo if you do not even own a freaking nintendo??? if i wouldn´t own a ps3 and wouldn´t have played uncharted i would not post everywhere how shit the game is (it isn´t a bad game just an example – just saying because you easily seem to misunderstand things)…but you even top it…you go on and call others weirdos, strange, ignorant, mental and so on…i am truly impressed.

    #107 3 years ago
  108. absolutezero

    Well this turned out crushingly like I expected it to.

    #108 3 years ago
  109. monkeygourmet

    Ultimately does not matter till miyamoto dies or stops producing…

    Mario games are a consistent barometer for excellence in control and showcasing new hardware and explorative gameplay…

    It’s the ideal game to bridge your inner child and adult gaming abilities… If you can find better examples, please tell me…

    If I had to showcase video games to an alien or a peron who had never experienced video games, it would be Mario Glaxy, Mario 64, Yoshis Island etc….

    After that, Zelda…

    Nintendo IS video games…

    #109 3 years ago
  110. Clupula

    Why is it strange for a system to have 20 exclusives that I absolutely want to play before I buy a system? A console is an investment. I know too many people with Wii’s collecting dust in their closets. If the Wii and 360 had 20 exclusives I really wanted, I’d own them too. I can name all the game I want for both systems.

    Right now, there’s about 7 Wii games I’d really like to play (Madworld, Last Story, Xenoblade, No More Heroes 2, Muramasa, Arc Rise Fantasia, and Pandora’s Tower). There used to be a lot more of them, like the Resident Evil Chronicles games, House of the Dead Overkill, and Dead Space: Extraction because I’m a sucker for light gun games, but they were ported to PS3, so they got taken off the list. The Nintendo fans act like because I have no interest in Mario and Zelda that I am some rabid fanboy.

    As for 360 games, it’s a bit more than the Wii, but not 20 (The Witcher 2 – I don’t count PC when it comes to something being exclusive, Tales of Vesperia – which did get a Japanese PS3 release, but I don’t count that one, Lost Odyssey, Infinite Undiscovery, Blue Dragon, Magna Carta II, Guardian Heroes – yes, I know it’s a Saturn game, but that system is dead so it counts as a 360 exclusive, Condemned 1, the Deathsmiles games, and the first Mass Effect – which would be kinda pointless, since I couldn’t use my PS3 save, but I would like to know how the story started). If 9 more amazing exclusives get released between now and the birth of the Next Box, I’ll pick up a 360, although I’ll have to see if there’s some sort of adapter or 3rd party controller where the analog sticks are symmetrical first.

    As for the PS1 and the PS2, I didn’t get a PS1 until the PS2 was already out and the Saturn had been killed. The PS2 I didn’t get until it had 20 exclusives and that took until around the time of Metal Gear Solid 3. Same with the PS3, didn’t get one until it had 20 exclusives I wanted.

    And you know, the thing is, I was actually looking forward to the Wii U unveiling last year, because I had been hoping Nintendo would blow me away and reveal a ton of 3rd party exclusives with a system that was beyond what Sony and Microsoft were doing. They didn’t. They showed the same tired first party titles, 3rd party titles I can already get on my PS3, and graphics that are current gen. Actually felt pretty let down by that.

    #110 3 years ago
  111. Clupula

    “Nintendo IS video games…”

    For fuck’s sake, you people.

    #111 3 years ago
  112. Clupula

    And for the record, I’m not going to say that Mario has always sucked or whatever. I actually really enjoyed the first three Super Mario Brothers games on the NES, especially 3, which if I were to compile a list of the top 50 games of all time, would probably be in the 30′s or 40′s (there is no game better than Metal Gear Solid 3. Period). It was when it went to Super Mario World and then the absolutely awful Mario 64 that the franchise lost me. The fact that all these years later, they’re still making them is kinda disheartening to me.

    I’ll also say as someone who loved the games on the Genesis, I actually feel the same way about the Sonic franchise. There’s only so much creativity one can pump into a single franchise before enough is enough.

    #112 3 years ago
  113. polygem

    @clupula: the point is you and cj came here to drop all the fake arguments, i think we had them all, you completed them now with one of your recent posts: the “collecting dust” phrase. then you made clear for the first time that YOU do not like nintendo games. that´s ok, no problem, you don´t have to. almost everyone who likes nintendo games will accept that you do not like them. this still isn´t explaining why, while you obvioulsy havent played any of the current gen nintendo games, you keep saying they are ALL kids games…and all the other crap and then start to call others mental, ignorant, you know all that stuff…and then you are complaining if someone tells you to shut up? painting your own world in beautiful colors kid. but open your mind a little. prejudice sucks.

    #113 3 years ago
  114. Clupula

    Prejudice? It’s a videogame company, not an indigenous people.

    And you do ignore the fact that I have spoken on how excited I was for Nintendo releasing a new system, hoping it would have something to appeal to me. I have played games on the Wii. Madworld was a lot of fun. No More Heroes was something I enjoyed so much that I bought the PS3 port day one. I went so far as to NAME games for the Wii I wanted to own, even if it was only seven of them. But you ignore that completely, in some weird attempt at slandering me by using the term “prejudice” when it is completely inappropriate. I know I somehow dared to speak negatively of your beloved first party exclusives. I say “somehow” because I don’t see how saying a game is aimed at children is necessarily an insult. I also don’t see how saying that the Mario franchise has been milked more than any other franchise on earth is untrue.

    But you guys have this weird “Nintendo magic/Nintendo IS videogames” mentality going on that I find genuinely disturbing. I can speak negatively about things all three major publishers have done.

    In fact, I’ll go so far as to say that the company that has the best characters, the best games, and the best franchises isn’t Sony. It isn’t Microsoft. And it isn’t Nintendo. It’s Sega. If Sega were to have a console system in this day and age and they were to make every game they’ve released for PS3/360/Wii an exclusive to their own console, they’d have the undisputed strongest lineup of out of any of the systems. One system that is the only place one can get Bayonetta, Valkyria Chronicles, the Yakuza series, Vanquish, the House of the Dead franchise, Aliens: Colonial Marines, etc…? None of the other three would be able to compete with that system…

    …if Sega actually had any idea how to advertise and let people know about their games. Sega have been the strongest third party company this entire gen and they’ve squandered all of it. Tons of games that should have been huge franchises that they didn’t bother to do anything with, other than release into the wild without so much as a scribble on a bathroom wall to promote it.

    And this is what I’m saying: I love Sega’s games. I think if there’s a company that comes close to defining videogames, it would be Sega, just from the sheer depth and variety of ip’s they own. And yet, I can say that they have the business sense of a bag of rocks.

    I would like you guys to tell me three negative things about Nintendo. I would be very surprised if you could come up with them. I could say a whole bunch, but I doubt you could, because you guys have some odd pedestal you all put them up on. If I thought you guys were capable of actual objective thought when it comes to Nintendo, I wouldn’t pick on you so much.

    #114 3 years ago
  115. monkeygourmet


    Mario 64 awful?

    Yes the first game that successfully brought a 2d game into the 3d space, kept its integrity and added a ton of new features that almost every 3d platformer has tried to copy since is awful… Hmmmm… Yeah right.

    I’m guessing you went the playstation route at this gaming juncture… I bet you enjoyed it when Sony brought out the dual stick controller (to combat the 64′s pad), along with there blatant attempts to try and capture some of that Nintendo magic you don’t seem to think exists:

    Crash Bandicoot, shameless cash in (soul absent)
    Spyro the dragon (soul missing, pressured dead)
    Crash bandicoot kart (copying mario again are we crash?)
    Handheld consoles (Nintendo made popular)
    Motion controls (hello move and Kinect)
    Tablet controller (hello surface and vita)
    Monster Rancher (I’d like to be like you Pokemon)

    The list can go on and on…

    If Nintendo didn’t have a certain something, it seems strange that every man and his dog seems to want to copy them… O__o

    #115 3 years ago
  116. Da Man

    Hi “Clupula”, I never really noticed any of your posts up until today.. However I have no idea where you figured I’m an MS fan, aside from perhaps that you’ve been reading too much posts from certain people.

    I don’t like MS, I like Halo and Xbla, as well as online services which don’t go on a maintenance all the time. Have no idea how you figured that automatically leads to being an MS fan?

    I take it you ‘ve owned nothing but Sony for three gens? When your shitty cell powered blue ray mist clears, suggest taking a deep breath and practice reading comprehension.

    #116 3 years ago
  117. OrbitMonkey

    Really, when all said and done, who gives a fuck how you play with yourself?

    #117 3 years ago
  118. Christopher Jack

    @115, Crash & Spyro were Sony’s answer to Mario & Sonic. Call them souless all you want, what ever the hell that means(seriously, everyone says shit like this without elaborating!), but they were both critical & commercial successes until the publishing rights were handed back. I mean, if the majority enjoy a game, clearly it must have whatever you define as a soul- even CoD.

    @115, You don’t defend yourself by attacking the opposition, you sound like a fucking politician.

    #118 3 years ago
  119. DrDamn

    “Motion controls (hello move and Kinect)”
    Hello EyeToy

    “Tablet controller (hello surface and vita)”
    Hello Original PSP & Remote play

    #119 3 years ago
  120. ManuOtaku

    # 91Bojangles “Any third party making a game on a platform does not mean that the platform holder automatically owns that IP.

    Whoever they are. Yes, even Nintendo”

    I dont know, how to say it, because it seems i didnt make myself clear, but iam not talking about third party games, iam talking about tittles published by nintendo and sony, and titles that are only found on those consoles, those are very different than a third party game like madworld or little king story for example, both are new ip´s but not published by nintendo, therefore the chances to appear on other consoles are high, so this are tittle published by and outsider, this is not the case with the IPS i did mentioned, sony has an strong catalog of key core tittles that are published by them, not done by them, and those tittles represent the sony brand and have been represented that brand since ps1,when you said twisted metal you are saying sony brand, and rightly so, sony as a publisher did apport something to the before mentioned game, even if they not created them, they supported the game, with money, support, advices, etc, like a publisher do, and this applies to the nintendo tittles i previously mentioned on this trend, therefore like i said brand new ips, appear on nintendo tittles, and this without including the 100% third party tittles like madworld, muramasa or little king story(by the way a gem of a game)

    When in other posts and trends i mentioned bashers, it wasnt especifically thinking or mentioning you, i was mentioning some of the posters that indicated nintendo as kiddy and that had a long history attacking nintendo, but i suppose if you react you are one of them indeed becuase you feel alluded, and for the record the first one to insult in this trend was you, therefore the first one with the narrow view was you, i was just reacting to your insult in a good way.

    #120 3 years ago
  121. Joe Musashi

    I do so enjoy the ‘Nintendo invented it’ defence. And then, when it turns out that Nintendo didn’t invent it the argument changes to ‘Well, they made it popular then!’. Gotta keep moving those goalposts.

    119 – Yup. EyeToy even had motion-sports games before Nintendo ‘invented’ them. In fact I’m pretty certain that EyeToy wasn’t the first motion-sports/motion-fitness game either.

    What’s apparent here is there are people that only see things from one viewpoint and blur the lines of truth and fiction to suit that view. Details outside of that perspective – whether factual or subjective, simply get ignored outright or are dismissed with laughably nebulous retorts about “magic” or “soul”.

    It’s actually that sort of thing that harms a company’s image as much as any corporate speak.


    #121 3 years ago
  122. Christopher Jack

    *116 for second paragraph

    #122 3 years ago
  123. Bojangles

    @120 Baten Kaitos wasn’t even published by Nintendo. It was published by Namco. But that didn’t stop you repeatedly crediting Nintendo for the IP.

    #123 3 years ago
  124. polygem

    JM…did you read the comments here? you really think the pro nintendo comments are biased here, blurring the lines of truth and fiction? why don´t you just read them again.

    #124 3 years ago
  125. manamana

    Nintendo vs. Sony vs. Microsoft
    iOS vs. Android
    blue vs. red

    black and white.

    #125 3 years ago
  126. polygem

    if someone really cannot see what nintendo has done for the videogame industry and, even if you don´t like the nintendo style, cannot respect that…it probably doesn´t make sense to argue at all.
    y´know the sentence of monkey: Nintendo IS videogames…is kind of true. they defined a lot of genres, mario is the best known videocharacter, they create great polished gaming experiences, never lacked quality and are extremeley creative with every single output…i would show super mario glalxy to an alien too….wont be clever to show halo or gears i guess. they´d instantly eat me seeing this alien slaying i guess…but then maybe they look like winged turtles, then that´s another story.

    #126 3 years ago
  127. ManuOtaku

    #123 Bojangles, ok my mistake then, but the other games like chibi robo, custom robo, batallion wars,dynamic blade, disaster day of crisis,xenoblade, etc that were published by nintendo are part of my point, so therefore my point stands in my comment #120, i mean that new ips do appear on nintendo systems.
    p.s iam a nintendo defender, and keep in mind i do own the 3 systems this gen, and in the last too, but i feel the need to defend nintendo because they are the most attacked from both sides, but that doesnt mean you see me attacking every sony and microsfot trend or their games like halo, uncharted, god of war, COD etc.

    Related to this post i think mario as a character is milked, and i dont see it as a bad thing, because other characters in this industry and in other industries , like batman, superman, etc are being milked too, but no one says a thing, by the way i dont have anything against any of those characters just stating there are more characters and even actors that appear on a million movies that are milked and dont get the same hate, therefore if you like them you wish they will keep up coming

    #127 3 years ago
  128. manamana

    @126 :-D

    #128 3 years ago
  129. Joe Musashi

    Disney IS animation
    Coca-Cola IS drinks
    The Beatles IS music
    Shakespeare IS writing
    Nintendo IS games
    Arnold Schwarzenegger IS action heroes
    Blue IS color

    None of these are remotely true. They are all borne of the same broken logic that wilfully overlooks far too much valid detail just to create a statement that sounds pleasing to like-minded people.


    #129 3 years ago
  130. ManuOtaku

    #129 iam not going to far as saying Nintendo Is games,because the same can be said for sony and microsoft by their supporters, and rightly so, but i will say that nintendo has great games, great franchises and that arent aimed torwards kids, hence the everyone clasifitacion and not kids only, for most of its franchises.

    #130 3 years ago
  131. Da Man

    Beatles is shit, true that. (I’m not joking)

    #131 3 years ago
  132. DrDamn

    Ok put it this way, you get annoyed if someone says …

    Mario IS a kids game

    Whilst the statement is true there are implications by the person making the statement is being dismissive and not accepting that Mario is also a family game, is also full of inventive gameplay that anyone can enjoy.

    When someone says …

    Nintendo IS videogames

    The statement taken one way is fine, but taken another is very dismissive of the massive contributions of other manufacturers and developers.

    #132 3 years ago
  133. Fin

    Nintendo IS kids video games

    #133 3 years ago
  134. polygem

    nitpicking…you know what he means. back in the days people said do you have a nintendo? even if they did mean a freaking commodore 64. nintendo was the term for videogames. that what the statement is coming from. and if you´d ask people around the world to name a videogame char…the one named mostly will be mario. worldwide.

    #134 3 years ago
  135. stretch215

    And the gems keep coming! “Nintendo IS games” WOW. Do you people even read your posts before sending them? Then we have a post like 124 that let’s us know how far reaching the delusion is. I grew up with Mario and still have fond memories of those games. I just don’t play them anymore. I’m not delusional enough to “hate” on a game co.- or blindly support them. I just can’t resist chastising you guys for your endless love. :D

    #135 3 years ago
  136. Joe Musashi

    @134 If someone makes an outlandish generalisation that, once again, puts their favoured company on a pedestal at the expense of a mountain of logic and objectivity then it’s not nit-picking. That you perceive it as such speaks volumes.


    #136 3 years ago
  137. manamana

    This headline IS clicking.

    #137 3 years ago
  138. polygem

    Fin IS troll

    #138 3 years ago
  139. Da Man

    Let’s see if you can make it to 200 comments this time.

    Let me help you there..

    Duck Hunt preceded Eye Toy.

    #139 3 years ago
  140. Dragon246

    Ninty IS definitely VIDEO GAMES ….. and LOVE HOTELS.
    My body is ready.

    #140 3 years ago
  141. polygem

    well, the mountain of logic you claim isn´t there…is there, it is huge man, it has been painted in the most polite words. you just do not see it through your closed eyes. open them.

    #141 3 years ago
  142. ManuOtaku

    #136 Joe Mushashi “at the expense of a mountain of logic and objectivity then it’s not nit-picking”
    Sorry but in this trend the nintendo attackers were neither objective or logic for that matter, the same goes both ways, therefore like i said is subjective all the supporters can say nintendo is games, sony is games and microsoft is games, because for them is true, and in different moments in time this holds true, therefore all of them under their view and perspective are right.

    #142 3 years ago
  143. OrbitMonkey

    Meat IS murder!!

    #143 3 years ago
  144. ManuOtaku

    Da man do you know the VG247 record of posts on one trend or topic?, i want to know in order to see if we can break it on this one ;)

    #144 3 years ago
  145. Da Man

    Pat’s competitions.

    So anyway..

    #145 3 years ago
  146. polygem

    @OrbitMonkey: it indeed is!

    #146 3 years ago
  147. Joe Musashi

    @141 @142 Just because you refuse to see it doesn’t mean it’s not there.

    You’re amongst a handful of commenters in this discussion that have either made stuff up, dismissed (rather than addressed) the views of others and justified things on the basis of ‘magic’ or ‘soul’ – to name a few.

    The only trend in attacking here is on bullshit. Not Nintendo.


    PS: @143 This IS Spartaaaaaaaaaaaa!

    #147 3 years ago
  148. DrDamn

    @141 & @142
    So Poly agrees the mountain of logic is there and Manu you agree that the Nintendo defenders are neither objective or logical. Excellent, we are done.

    #148 3 years ago
  149. lexph3re

    If were talking about human meat sure its murder. Animal meat? Nope, that’s called slaughtering.

    #149 3 years ago
  150. lexph3re

    NUMBER 150!

    #150 3 years ago
  151. polygem

    then nintendo IS the most commented game company on vg247 ;)

    #151 3 years ago
  152. ManuOtaku

    #147 Joe Mushashi Quote me “magic or soul” on my posts and the things i “dismissed” according to your highly superior logic.

    #152 3 years ago
  153. Da Man

    Humans are animals..

    I don’t know how you convince people that a tiger or a dog isn’t the same as a cow or a chicken. I thought it was.. obvious.

    #153 3 years ago
  154. ManuOtaku

    Well apparently we broke the record :), thanks Lex for the info.

    #154 3 years ago
  155. lexph3re

    Animal’s are more sophisticated then Humans are. Atleast they don’t fight over things like videogames XD

    #155 3 years ago
  156. monkeygourmet


    So funny to hear people getting their panties in a twist over the simple truth:

    The reason I stated that ‘Nintendo IS videogames’, is primarily because Miyamoto and co deeply understand how quality gameplay and control should work hand in hand to create an enjoyable experience for the player.

    They create ‘toy like’ experiences that anyone with some imagination can get absorbed in. They also don’t mind attempting new things with hardware, they show real innovation when it comes to trying to link these new ideas in with the gameplay.

    Every other gaming company has watched Nintendo and tried to ape them wherever possible. There’s a simple reason for that,

    There products are generally considered to be the most innovative, and there games and franchises are generally the most warmly received.

    I play on 360 most, Wii 2nd (and 3ds) then PS3 (exclusives), I’ve owned every game system and played a hell of a lot of games and nothing comes close to Nintendo when they get it right I’m afraid.

    If you think otherwise, you almost certainly got whipped up in that ‘cool’ playstation marketing in the PS1 launch days and assumed Nintendo = Childish when you should have realised Nintendo = Gameplay…

    Mario – Sonic, Crash
    F Zero – Wipeout
    Mario Paint – U Draw
    Zelda – Legacy of Kain
    Mario Kart – Crash team Racing
    Zelda Z targeting (copied by everyone)
    Mii – Avatars
    Wii sports – Move sports
    Gameboy – Game Gear
    N64 pad – Dual Shock
    Wave Bird – wireless 360 pad
    Nintendo satellite online system (Japan only)
    Wii fit – your shape fitness evolved
    Touch screen gaming

    #156 3 years ago
  157. Joe Musashi

    @152 You’d benefit from reading sentences in full before making such demands. A choice word would be “amongst”, for example.

    It don’t have highly superior logic. Just logic.

    @153, 155 – opposable thumbs FTW! :)

    @156 You’re funny. You give us 4 paragraphs of pure marketing speak. Then dismiss fans of other companies as victims of marketing.

    Oh, and if Wipeout has any influential forefather it’s EA’s Powerdrome from the Amiga and ST – platforms that Wipeout’s makers were developers for. It could just as easily be argued that F-Zero is a copy of Powerdrome.

    No need to analyse the rest of your list. It’s clear that, from your view, everything starts with Nintendo and anything after it is a copy of Nintendo and that if someone disagrees they’re Nintendo haters.


    #157 3 years ago
  158. polygem

    @155: XD (i mean XD in a positive way)

    @153: a cow has nevers and is just as intelligent as a dog…there is no difference really. the chinese and korean eat dogs, while in india the cow is holy. thing is, they all can feel fear and pain just like a cat and a dog and a monkey…a human really does not need any meat in order to live a healthy good life. it´s an ethical decission in the end (at least if you live in western territories)

    but if we start this discussion now we will get a war! i am having a hardcore (music) background. never was straight edge but i am vergetarian since i was a teenager. the animal rights movement definitley had an impact on me. i know lots of great arguments, beware ;) i wont comment on that here now though, probably never will, because it doesn´t really belong here…this nintendo stuff is exhausting enough. btw. i respect every meat eater in this world just the same as i respect vegetarians and vegans. i just wish for more empathy in general sometimes, that´s all.

    #158 3 years ago
  159. Da Man

    That’s nonsence, polygem… If you ever saw a headless chicken running around then you don’t really have to wonder as to why it’s not the same as killing a dog (the chinese dogs from Peta commercials are the same as cattle).

    Why are you offline? I need someone to play team slayer.

    #159 3 years ago
  160. polygem

    can´t edit, server issues?: nevers means nerves ;)

    #160 3 years ago
  161. ManuOtaku

    #157 Joe Mushashi “@152 You’d benefit from reading sentences in full before making such demands. A choice word would be “amongst”, for example.”
    It don’t have highly superior logic. Just logic.

    but you previously stated this:
    “@141 @142 Just because you refuse to see it doesn’t mean it’s not there.

    You’re amongst a handful of commenters in this discussion that have either made stuff up, dismissed (rather than addressed) the views of others and justified things on the basis of ‘magic’ or ‘soul’ – to name a few.”

    I made comment 142 so iam amongst the commenters that justified things with magic or soul, and dismissed rather than addressed the issues, therefore quote me on both, because you are including me on that, at least thats the way i see it, if not please say iam not in that bunch.

    #161 3 years ago
  162. polygem

    that would happen to a headless human too. heard about the pirate störtebecker? he freed many of his men after his guillotine execution because he was able to walk a straight line after is head was cutted off. everyone he was able to pass by was a free man ;)

    i indeed have some freaking internet issues these days AND my 360 is kind of broken i believe ;( it´s having freeze ins pretty often now. now i am not so sure if it´ll make sense to buy into a new one yet again…with all the next gen coming…still thinking that through atm.

    #162 3 years ago
  163. Gadzooks!

    I see the troll alt accounts are here.

    Fucking cowards argue themselves into a corner and rely on an alt to back them up.

    Yeah, you know who you are.

    So do we.

    #163 3 years ago
  164. Da Man

    I heard about that, someone else did the same.. But that’s like saying someone has a tremor due to psychosys and then compare that to cattle.

    I went negative because of the terrible randoms and generals with alt accounts.

    #164 3 years ago
  165. Dragon246

    More than miyamoto deeply understanding gaming , they just have some firsts as they were first to the fray. Meanwhile almost all of their past efforts have been surpassed by others imho. They also lack the innovative spirit of indie devs and fellow japanese studios like sony japan studio .
    Ninty works on the power of familiarity , but objectively their games don’t stand out of the crowd . Sound shapes released in the same week as nsmb , and is definitely more unique and novel out of the two, probably has better gameplay too. Unfortunately nsmb will sell on name only, just like COD.

    #165 3 years ago
  166. polygem

    by the way, i really had bad luck with my hardware this gen. my launch 360 had thr rrod, one ps3 died, now the 360 again? i hope not. one of my psp´s died after a freaking rainstorm (and had lots of dead pixles), that´s why i rareley take my handhleds with me outside. only home, hotel rooms and the like…my first 3dsxl had a broken, flickering bottom screen. the replacement has very loose hinges (this seems to be a problem with many, the one with the broken screen did not wobble though)…it´s off topic i know, but it helps to get to the well deserved #200

    #166 3 years ago
  167. ManuOtaku

    #166 poly my 2005 white 360 model (20gb) is still functioning, if it will keep spinning when the next gen arrives, i will sell it like the 11 marvel of the world ;)

    and pretty much all my consoles are still functioning, i have 3 360, 2 ps3 and 3 wii, well one wii did died, so thats it, but that was my 5 yo son wii, so i knew that would happen, he is like bam bam from the flitstones cartoon.

    #167 3 years ago
  168. polygem

    when he´s old enough for the online stuff he should use BamBam as a Gamertag ;) probably used by someone already though :(

    #168 3 years ago
  169. ManuOtaku

    Also i want to say that lets say for instance nintendo is for kids,which i dont agree, but lets say it is, then this would also be a good thing rather than a detriment or something bad, because in the end they are nurturing the new blood of this industry in order to keep the healthy flow of consumers needed in the industry, therefore in the end even if the gamers decide at one point go with sony and microsoft and for that leave nintendo behind, which i do also dont think is the case, is a win for the other manufacturers, therefore instead of really wanting their closure as a manufacturer, is on the best interests of the other companies supporters to keep nintendo in the business, they will bring the new blood of this hobbie, therefore support nintendo too, even if it is not your fancy anymore, at least dont constantly attack it.

    #169 3 years ago
  170. OrbitMonkey

    Not sure about “milking Mario”, but I’d pound Princess Peach… If you know what I mean ;-)

    #170 3 years ago
  171. YoungZer0

    This thread alone proves my point about Nintendo Fans. Glad they are doing the work for me.

    #171 3 years ago
  172. ManuOtaku

    #171 at your service :)
    P.S Orbit LOL

    #172 3 years ago
  173. polygem

    @169: spot on again

    @170: XD again

    @171: spot on again too:
    i agree, you can really see how well informed and tolerant nintendo fans are. no problem, glad i could help a little too.

    #173 3 years ago
  174. manamana

    @170 Ohohohohoooo! :-)

    #174 3 years ago
  175. OlderGamer

    Spot on MonkeyG, +1.

    #175 3 years ago
  176. Clupula

    Damn, 60 posts after mine and somehow a Morrissey reference becomes a discussion of Minor Threat. This is why I like this place, even if some of you perplex me.

    #176 3 years ago
  177. Clupula

    @169 – when I say that Mario is a milked franchise and that Nintendo make games for children, that isn’t an attack. It’s a statement of fact. I don’t see why people have to get so defensive about it. If I had a kid, I would buy them a Wii, without hesitation. There’s plenty of games on it that I know kids love and a lot less chance of them seeing or playing something that I feel would be inappropriate for them. I love the God of War games, but those would off limits to my kid, until they reached a certain age.

    I may not like the Mario games anymore, but I can see why they’d appeal to someone in the 6-11 age range and I’d definitely buy them for my child. The PS3 would be daddy’s system and the Wii would be my kid’s.

    #177 3 years ago
  178. polygem

    @Clupula: naming Morrissey and Minor Threat really helped. i instantly like you again ;)…no, i mean, seriously!

    #178 3 years ago
  179. YoungZer0

    @173: Tolerant and well-informed, haha, thank you for that one buddy. Really made me laugh.

    #179 3 years ago
  180. Clupula

    Also, the more he posts this insane P.R. speak, the more I’m convinced that MonkeyGourmet is actually Reggie Fils-Aimes, because everything he posts in these threads sounds like something I’d hear at Nintendo’s E3 conference.

    #180 3 years ago
  181. polygem

    …ah and then you destroyed it yet again ;)

    #181 3 years ago
  182. polygem

    @179: you are welcome! no problem.

    #182 3 years ago
  183. ManuOtaku

    #177 Clupula so why the aimed target is everyone?, thats very different than kids only, both types of games are very different in nature, hence the different clasification,The target and intended audience is very different, everyone means kids, youngsters, old people,etc, it is not only one group, is all of them, therefore is not fact is your opinion, which i do respect but dont agree thats all.

    #183 3 years ago
  184. YoungZer0

    @182: Mostly i liked the well-informed part, so funny. :D

    #184 3 years ago
  185. monkeygourmet


    Ha! Good one…

    Gamer not understanding gameplay…

    Very clever of you…

    To understand gaming and the potential directions games are heading, you need to understand what the foundations have been built with.

    Nintendo has provided us with strong foundations and innovative gameplay that most other companies have had to use or copy to find their own way.

    Don’t be upset about that, it’s just good to know who to thank when your enjoying playing games on your Daddy Station 3! :)

    #185 3 years ago
  186. polygem

    read and learn. the interent. a great place. welcome.

    #186 3 years ago
  187. polygem

    monkeygourmet: XD

    #187 3 years ago
  188. Ireland Michael

    This is still going? Cripes.

    *goes to play some games*

    #188 3 years ago
  189. ManuOtaku

    #188 Ireland iam at work, hardly working ;), and didnt bring my psp or 3ds, therefore is the only thing i can do, now on the weekends i dont post because iam playing.

    #189 3 years ago
  190. OrbitMonkey

    I can see “VG247″ being added to the filters list, work places have on the pc systems :-)

    #190 3 years ago
  191. ManuOtaku

    #191 orbit yes indeed LOL

    #191 3 years ago
  192. Joe Musashi

    @185 “To understand gaming and the potential directions games are heading, you need to understand what the foundations have been built with.”

    So you acknowledge how much F-Zero takes from games that preceded it – like Powerdrome. Jolly good.


    #192 3 years ago
  193. Clupula

    @181 – as soon as I read your other statement, I laughed because I knew I was going to crush your opinion of me a second later.

    #193 3 years ago
  194. Clupula

    @192 – of course Reggie doesn’t. It’s not in his press kit.

    #194 3 years ago
  195. Clupula

    Daddy Station 3? That’s a new one. I wasn’t aware that Sony were so popular in the bear community.

    #195 3 years ago
  196. Fin

    Oh shit, 200??!?

    Btw, I’d probably play Nitendo games if the graphics were better. Games play better when the graphics are nice.

    #196 3 years ago
  197. ManuOtaku

    Seeing this long trend makes me do wonder if Pat and the team read all this comments.

    #197 3 years ago
  198. manamana


    #198 3 years ago
  199. polygem


    #199 3 years ago
  200. OlderGamer

    200, really?

    #200 3 years ago
  201. ManuOtaku

    Lets milk this trend 200
    p.s is 201 now, OG you beat me to it T_T

    #201 3 years ago
  202. polygem

    congratulations! highly deserved winner of this thread!

    #202 3 years ago
  203. OlderGamer

    lol ;)

    #203 3 years ago
  204. manamana

    Yay! It’s a thread about milking Kids games, so let’s behave like them! :-D

    #204 3 years ago
  205. ManuOtaku

    I swear to God that the mario picture was laughing at the beginning of this trend, now 204 posts before he is mad, maybe we should stop right here :)

    #205 3 years ago
  206. polygem

    205 posts, well that IS nintendo magic!

    #206 3 years ago
  207. Clupula

    I feel like we didn’t earn the full 200, though.

    #207 3 years ago
  208. Clupula

    @205 – hey, there’s only so much milking a man can take before he gets sore.

    #208 3 years ago
  209. polygem

    yes i am out for sure now…300+ posts would be “creepy” and “weird”…only “kids” would post that many comments…
    i will now wipe off the “dust” from my wii and will play a little mario galaxy with my alien neighbor.

    #209 3 years ago
  210. Dragon246

    Its amazing how many ninty fans bestow ninty with titles like “ninty is video games”, “only games company”, “everything is ripped off from ninty”.
    Everyone of them is fabricated and false. Ninty is at a financial loss from the levels they were say, 2 years ago when wii and ds destroyed competition. No new IPs in more than 10 years.This is very bad.
    They are definitely one of the pioneers of the industry, but certainly not the only one.
    Many popular genres have no link whatsoever with ninty games like fps. New games announced by sony, ubisoft and others are more interesting than current crop of mario games.If people can get over the nostalgia they will find mario just like any other platformer, just a bit more polished.
    Meanwhile, en-route to 250!

    #210 3 years ago
  211. G1GAHURTZ

    Most epic thread in the history of VG247!

    #211 3 years ago
  212. polygem

    hehe and #210 just refilled the tanks

    #212 3 years ago
  213. manamana

    @Dragon Nintendo is dooooooooomed!

    #213 3 years ago
  214. Dragon246

    Mission accomplished!!! 250 not far away!
    I am awaiting a rage filled response :P
    No they aren’t. Not until their games sell.

    #214 3 years ago
  215. manamana

    @Dragon (speaking with low voice) Pssst, I know. ;-)

    #215 3 years ago
  216. Erthazus

    does it really matter? Nintendo milks Mario franchise with IDEA and that is the most important part.

    All successfull games are milked. Some of them like GTA milked with idea, some of them like CoD, not so much.

    Idea is the most important part here and Nintendo does a good job except for the latest 3DS games. So i don’t understand what is so bad about milking the franchise.

    Coca-Cola brand is milked since 1886 year and you still drink it and will continue to do so.

    #216 3 years ago
  217. OlderGamer

    Dragon, look at the top selling list of games this gen, it is filled with Nintendo games.

    More Nintendo games then games from any other publisher.

    And if you claim no new games in 10 years, and that nintendo dominating is 2 year old. that just means that 2 years ago when Nintendo was cleaning up, they hadn’t had new games(your words) in 8 years.

    New IPs don’t mean blockbuster sales. Quality games do. And a brand name that gamers love does. Millions buy CoD every year, not because it is new or inovative, but because they know what they getting and like what are getting. That is brand name marketing. Nintendo games have the same effect on folks.

    Lots and lots of people simply love their games. Not many of those people, however, sadly, visit this site to back up the few here that do. So here, in this limited slice of representation of the gaming public, Nintendo fans are out numbered.

    But if you want to judge something on how it sells as a measure of how the gaming public recieves it and what they think of it, Nintendo ftw. You might not like those kind of games, but there is no denying that a lot of other people do.

    #217 3 years ago
  218. OlderGamer

    Erth +1

    #218 3 years ago
  219. Dragon246

    Milking is not bad. It keeps your bones strong and healthy.
    Completely agree with you. Latest 3ds and wiiu(from what seen yet) ones are not par with previous entries.
    Also Coca-Cola is generally watered not milked.
    (Also speaking with low voice), I like low voice :)
    Only names can sell games sans quality too. As I said, people give ninty more credit than they deserve. Thats my point.

    #219 3 years ago
  220. Clupula

    Oh Jesus…are we getting to the point where people are going to call “Wii Fit” a quality game?

    #220 3 years ago
  221. monkeygourmet


    Wait until you start hearing MS and Sony start talking about asymmetrical gaming in the next year, especially with the launch of there new consoles.

    Its getting almost laughable now, it’s almost like they wait for Nintendo to show their hand, then immediately copy and rebrand it…

    Of course new Ubisoft games look good, but remember, there coming out on the Wii U too…

    We’re talking in house exclusives here. And the joke is, even though Nintendo don’t come up with 10 new Ip’s a year, their games are consistently of a high quality.

    It’s great having new Ip’s and platform exclusives, but if there average, what’s the point.

    Mario Galaxy 2 and Skyward Sword are hands down the best GAMES this generation, and those coming from a glorified GameCube. It’s great to see what Sony and MS managed to achieve with all that extra horsepower! :)

    And put those through the Dolphin emulator and the art design kicks the crap out of most 360 and Sony games too!

    Are you seriously telling me games like God of War, Gears etc… Are better examples of pure gameplay?!

    The closest the 360 and PS3 comes to Nintendo like quality are in games like Flower and Trails, not full release games.

    #221 3 years ago
  222. Ireland Michael

    @220 Nah.

    Fitness Evolved is much better.

    #222 3 years ago
  223. monkeygourmet


    No, just another example of how desperate other companies are to copy.

    ‘Gee, that’s really working for Nintendo, how can we gain access to some of that market they cleverly found without taking a risk or having to come up with new ideas ourselves…?’

    Board meeting went something like that I can assure you…

    #223 3 years ago
  224. Clupula

    @221 – Wait, Reggie. Did you actually use the Dolphin emulator as a selling point for the Wii? Wow. So, it’s a good thing when a game actually needs to be emulated and pumped up on a PC to actually get it to look decent, instead of one the system its native to?

    #224 3 years ago
  225. Clupula

    Mario Galaxy 2 and Skyward Sword can’t be the best games of this generation, because they’re not on current generation hardware. Wii U backwards compatibility doesn’t count.

    #225 3 years ago
  226. Clupula

    Seriously, though, I imagine trying to talk to Nintendo fanboys is a lot like trying to talk to Scientologists and Pentecostal Christians.

    #226 3 years ago
  227. deathm00n

    Let’s end this right now: tell me, oh please tell me nintendo lovers, what great games do you have right now(this generation, if you want mix up wii U also), that are new IP, that became a full franchise, that are not Mario, Zelda, Metroid and don’t include ANY of previous characters from other older games?

    I can name you a lot of them from the PS3 and Xbox if you want. Let’s begin with the most hated by you:
    Assassin’s Creed
    Gears of War

    #227 3 years ago
  228. polygem

    “Mario Galaxy 2 and Skyward Sword are hands down the best GAMES this generation”

    100 % agree!

    #228 3 years ago
  229. Dragon246

    “Wait until you start hearing MS and Sony start talking about asymmetrical gaming in the next year, especially with the launch of there new consoles.”
    Vita and ps3 can do so now even before wiiu is launched. Anyhow, dual screens doesn’t rock with me.

    “Its getting almost laughable now, it’s almost like they wait for Nintendo to show their hand, then immediately copy and rebrand it…”
    Just like ninty copied xbox controller for their so called “pro controller”.

    “Of course new Ubisoft games look good, but remember, there coming out on the Wii U too…”
    Watch Dogs is NOT confirmed for wiiu. Most probably a delayed launch wrt other platforms.

    “We’re talking in house exclusives here. And the joke is, even though Nintendo don’t come up with 10 new Ip’s a year, their games are consistently of a high quality.”
    More diversity on sony platform with awesome games for different people like infamous, uc, gow etc.
    Also what were the scores for latest Kirby game. (Hint – not good).

    “Mario Galaxy 2 and Skyward Sword are hands down the best GAMES this generation, and those coming from a glorified GameCube. It’s great to see what Sony and MS managed to achieve with all that extra horsepower! ”
    Hands down for you. MGS4 ,UC3 , FarCry2 and Valkyria Chronicles hands down for me.

    “And put those through the Dolphin emulator and the art design kicks the crap out of most 360 and Sony games too!”
    Gravity Rush , puppeteer, rain beats the crap out of most wii and 3ds games too!

    #229 3 years ago
  230. lexph3re


    #230 3 years ago
  231. monkeygourmet


    You clearly don’t understand factors such as gameplay, control and art design…

    When Sony released the Playstation, they splintered gaming as we know it. They released a lot of games with good graphics, but average controls and gameplay.

    Wipeout, Tombraider, Toshinden etc…

    Now, to young adolescents, these games were exciting as they made them feel more mature, gore being often used along with sex to hide they otherwise poor gameplay. Parents started to think they were bad influences which made the kids want to play them more.

    Wipeout linked with E and clubbing, wow, yeah cool! Tomb Raider has some tits in! Wow! Yeah, cool man!

    Sony obviously loved this as it was an easy way to manipulate young minds and continued to brand there console accordingly.

    It started getting noticed in lads mags such as Loaded, yay! Gamings Cool now, (the spotty teenagers would rejoice!)

    But, they didn’t know, they were being manipulated by a huge Japanese corporation who now confidently held them in there pseudo mature claws….

    All the while, Nintendo just plodded along and made game after game which nailed the Holy Trilogy of gaming:

    Gameplay Mechanics / Art Design / Control

    In an almost Zen like way, Nintendo constantly manage to craft these experiences…

    Sony and MS look on baffled, how do they do it?!

    Shall we try to be innovative too?

    Shall we try to create new ways to play?

    Shall we take risks?!

    Then they think long and hard….

    Nah! Too difficult, let’s just copy what Nintendo do. :)

    #231 3 years ago
  232. Bojangles

    @226 There is a kind of religious fervour running under a lot of this commentry – especially the habit of dismissing details that don’t suit their fixed view, then merrily coming back to them when they can spin it in their favour. The word zealot springs to mind.

    No doubt, even though their idol sits silently and never acknowledges their existence or devotion, this is seen as nothing more than a test of their faith.

    Rejoice! For a new box is soon to be upon us. Filled with wonder, hope and purity. The promised land beckons for those that stay on the path of the One True company and preach its gospel to the heathen unbelievers that would use wikipedia and fact to besmirch the magic and soul of our saviour. Hallelujah!

    #232 3 years ago
  233. monkeygourmet


    Thanks, I forgot about Metriod! :) best FPS this generation, that’s another one to add to the list, cheers! ;)

    #233 3 years ago
  234. Clupula

    @231 – are you saying these things on purpose now, after I compared you to a cult? Because you really sound like you’re preaching in front of a giant statue of Mario right now, about to stab nonbelievers through the heart with a sharpened Wiimote..

    #234 3 years ago
  235. monkeygourmet


    And what’s wrong with wearing Dungerees?! ;)

    #235 3 years ago
  236. Gekidami

    Wow, you’re fanboyism is so retarded you’re throwing in conspiracy theories. Isnt it funny how Nintendo fanboys always seem to be batshit crazy fucktards? I mean even by fanboy standards, the Nintendo crowd are up there with creationists, they’re that deluded and -apparently- brain washed.

    Bojangles pretty much nailed it.

    #236 3 years ago
  237. OrbitMonkey

    Metroid > Halo > Killzone

    Zelda > Fable > GoW

    Mario Kart > Forza > Gran Tourismo

    Mario Bros > LBP > ????

    Princess Peach > Elana > Kameo

    #237 3 years ago
  238. Clupula

    @232 – I wish you could hear my applause.

    #238 3 years ago
  239. Clupula

    @237 – why are you comparing Zelda and Fable with God of War when they are not even the same genre?

    That’s like saying Wipeout HD > Luigi’s Mansion.

    #239 3 years ago
  240. Clupula

    A more accurate comparison would be:

    Okami > Zelda > 3D Dot Game Heroes > Fable

    #240 3 years ago
  241. ManuOtaku

    Again with the now New Ips thing, for more than you start repeating that 1000 times it wont be coming true, like i said chibi robo, xenoblade, batallion wars,dynamic blade,disaster day of crisis,luigis mansion, pikmin, etc, are a few new ips that did appear on the nintendo system since the last decade, and this without adding the third party tittles like muramasa, madworld, little king story,baten kaitos, etc, therefore please stop with that, is annoying and boring.

    As for the good wii games this generation if i put them down here, the list will be 20+, therefore it has something for every avid and seasoned gamer, the thing is, most sony and microsoft followers pretend they dont exist, like the ostrich puting their head on the ground, ignoring the things all around them, funny thing, and nintendo followers are the only blinded ones, yeah right.

    #241 3 years ago
  242. Clupula

    @241 – actually, a few pages ago, I named all the worthwhile Wii game. Came up with 7 of them.

    #242 3 years ago
  243. Gekidami

    And as you’ve already been told but keep pretending you didnt hear, those so-called new Nintendo IP’s you keep listing werent made by Nintendo.

    #243 3 years ago
  244. monkeygourmet


    You don’t like… Believe everything you read on here do you…?! :)

    #244 3 years ago
  245. ManuOtaku

    #243 neither twisted metal, ratchet and clanck, crash,etc, for that matter then like so many sony brand tittles that represent the sony brand, if those can work for sony, the ones i mentioned can work for nintendo too, damn double standards, and even if thats the case, new ips do appear on nintendo console, what of that cannot your mind grasp, but i got it you love pretending nintendo games doesnt exit, well neither mario games exists neither, so why we are arguing the milking of mario?, since it doenst exist neither.

    #245 3 years ago
  246. deathm00n

    “I feel the urge to write down what I’m experiencing right now, they say to us it’s alright, but I know it, it’s the end of the world, no one seens to know what they say anymore, they all are being manipulated by this big company who rules the world, while we, the ones still with a mind, stay here trying to help the ones that were infected by them. It’s useless, they almost worship it, I don’t know what’s wrong. I’ve used to follow this company, but now I see what’s wrong with them, but the other ones can’t see it. I wish this nightmare will end some day, until then I will try to survive…”

    #246 3 years ago
  247. deathm00n

    @237 Hope that’s not the list I asked in comment 227… Is it possible to die of laughter? If it is someone call me a ambulance!

    #247 3 years ago
  248. Gekidami

    *Facepalm* Sony own those IP’s you idiot, Nintendo dont own most of the ones you listed, they just published them. Seriously, are you trolling or are you really this dumb?

    #248 3 years ago
  249. ManuOtaku

    #248 well they werent back in the ps1 era, those were published back in the day,and publishing doesnt mean a thing right, then why they are only found on nintendo consoles then?, the day they appear on other consoles i will stop mentioned them as nintendo IPS, even if that hurt your imaginary world.

    #249 3 years ago
  250. lexph3re


    #250 3 years ago
  251. Gekidami

    Only Crash, and thats since appeared on other platforms, TM was made by Sony, and they’ve always owned the R&C IP. Same goes for everything else since Crash & Spyro.

    No double standard, just your ignorance and dishonesty.

    #251 3 years ago
  252. ManuOtaku

    Twisted metal was published by sony in the ps1 era, the same as ratchet and clank, and a bunch of other that didnt appear on other consoles, now they are part of sonys brand, but they werent, and prior to that they represent the sony brand.

    #252 3 years ago
  253. lexph3re

    *sits in his corner waitinf for the 300th post that shall be his*……*thinks to himself “Don’t I have a servers class to be studying for right now?”.

    #253 3 years ago
  254. Clupula

    Twisted Metal was always a first party title. That’s why when Singletrac left Sony, Sony was able to have 989 Studios make their shitty TM3 & 4 sequels, because they owned the ip.. Wipeout, on the other hand, was not originally a Sony ip, but has become one.

    #254 3 years ago
  255. Gekidami

    No, Sony owned those IP’s before they were released, in the case of Twisted Metal SCEA worked on the game, you know, thats why David Jaffe worked for Sony? And R&C came out on PS2.

    When you’re this ignorant on the history of video games, you’d best just shut up.

    #255 3 years ago
  256. Clupula

    @255 – I’m actually surprised they’re not accusing Twisted Metal of ripping off Mario Kart, at this point.

    #256 3 years ago
  257. Bojangles

    @249 “the day they appear on other consoles i will stop mentioned them as nintendo IPS”

    Existing on a console does not magically make it IP owned by that console’s manufacturer. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether the games appear on another platform or not. You really should not be arguing about IP ownership when its abundantly clear you do not understand what it is.

    #257 3 years ago
  258. OrbitMonkey

    Sony wishes they had the genius of Miyamoto, all they got is that fat faker Jaffe. Rippingoff Mario Kart with his Twisted Metal shit….

    @256 ;-)

    #258 3 years ago
  259. ManuOtaku

    #254, 255,257, ok i will not discuss that, because thats no issuing the point, we are talking about new ips on nintendo systems, not the only owned ips by nintendo,thats a different ball game, and besides as publishers nintendo do hold some strings on those ips,becuase they did finanze them one way or the other, thats my point, even if they do own them or not, it doenst matter new ips do appear on nintendo system, published or owned or robed, it doesnt matter, thats evading the issue, and thats the point all along, that new ips, appear on nintendo system in the last decade.

    p.s i did never mentioned the ownership of those ips, thats not the issue, i mentioned all along new ips on nintendo systems, thats what is mentioned on the previous posts, not owned new ips.

    #259 3 years ago
  260. Dragon246

    Care to respond to what I said in #229?
    I am waiting to hear from your cult.

    #260 3 years ago
  261. polygem

    now they swear again, calling others idiots AND then those “idiots” are ignorant too and then they complain if someone drops the word prejudice.

    #261 3 years ago
  262. YoungZer0

    I like trains.

    #262 3 years ago
  263. polygem

    the church of nintendo sounds so much better than the church of microsoft or the church of sony. church of nintendo sounds manly while the others sound like kiddy shovelware churches…

    #263 3 years ago
  264. Ireland Michael

    A good game is a good game.

    It doesn’t matter if it stars Mario, Zelda, Kratos, Pac-Man, a space marine, or a random generic spikey haired teenagers.

    It also doesn’t matter if its appeared a hundred times before.

    The pissing match going on between everyone in this thread is hilarious. If you all stood back for five seconds, you’d see how ridiculous this entire discussion is, and just how much energy you’ve wasted on it.

    Just enjoy your games. Sheesh.

    #264 3 years ago
  265. polygem

    @262: you should so play zelda spirit tracks then!

    #265 3 years ago
  266. lexph3re


    #266 3 years ago
  267. YoungZer0

    @266: I like the wheel.

    #267 3 years ago
  268. Clupula

    @266 – No, Nintendo innovated travel! And the letter “T.” All consonants, in fact! Vowels were just another example of Sony and Microsoft trying to rip off the magic that is Nintendo.

    #268 3 years ago
  269. Dragon246

    Monkeygourmet is the only member of that cult.
    Also Temple of Sony has all the nice hardwares but is running at a loss. So new worshipers are always welcome!
    Completely true. Although good things also become stale after a while.
    This is not about 300 anymore. Lets target 500!!! Think big :)

    #269 3 years ago
  270. lexph3re

    The Wheel is a rip off of the BOULDER! If it wasn’t for boulders their idea would be more square! FACT!

    #270 3 years ago
  271. polygem

    @lex: your chance for post #300 is just around the corner.

    never heard of beaming guys? that´s something to like…beaming will be the new “gimmick” on the wii own 2025…

    #271 3 years ago
  272. monkeygourmet


    Which bit of it?

    There were straws… You grabbed at them?

    Not much for me to comment on.

    It makes me laugh that im enjoying Yakuza 4 on PS right now, Prototype 2 on 360, Mario Kart on 3DS, and Xenoblade on Wii…

    I hope your enjoying the fruits of what gaming has to offer,

    oh, i forgot, you can only enjoy a game if it makes you feel like a big boy and is on the PS3…

    Because Sony = adult,

    Daddy has a Sony TV, that makes Sony a grown up company, and Playstation is grown up too! Wow, enjoy your closed minded view of branding and gaming…

    I enjoy Nintendo, because when i play their games it seems like the people who made them actually had some fucking FUN when they were being created!!!

    There’s obvious love in their crafting, something i rarely see from other Companies…

    If you don’t get that, you deserve to play generic corridor shooter 1.1 for ever more.

    Also, PS Vita cross play (when it arrives properly), is nothing like the Wii U. Just watch Sony and MS scramble to try and copy that feature, its going to be hilarious!

    :) Enjoy your PS3, so will i, but i’ll actually expand my horizens if you dont mind!

    #272 3 years ago
  273. lexph3re

    I will be legend when the moment arises!

    #273 3 years ago
  274. polygem

    @272: again 100% + 1

    #274 3 years ago
  275. ManuOtaku

    I dont mind a good discussion but i prefer if insults are kept aside, that doesnt validate or made an opinion more true, for the rest iam good but funny we are about to reach 300 on this one.

    #275 3 years ago
  276. monkeygourmet


    You seem to have ‘well rounded’ opinions…

    What are you doing here?! ;)

    #276 3 years ago
  277. polygem

    “Facepalm* Sony own those IP’s you idiot, Nintendo dont own most of the ones you listed, they just published them. Seriously, are you trolling or are you really this dumb?”

    “No double standard, just your ignorance and dishonesty.”

    “When you’re this ignorant on the history of video games, you’d best just shut up.”

    wont reveal the name of the poster;) …but seriously, calling others idiots and dumb and then say THEY are ignorant is just too “mature” to not post it here again.

    #277 3 years ago
  278. Clupula

    He’s going to be enjoying YOUR PS3. I’d lock the doors and windows.

    #278 3 years ago
  279. OrbitMonkey

    @272, I’d say MS are already being *inspired* by Ninty’s WiiU, with their Smartglass bollocks.

    #279 3 years ago
  280. polygem

    @229: best games this gen.. “MGS4 ,UC3 , FarCry2 and Valkyria Chronicles hands down for me.”
    no offense but while i played all the games on your list exept VC i doubt that you played mario galaxy 2 and skyward sword…that might be the tiny but important difference. maybe? yeah? no?

    #280 3 years ago
  281. ManuOtaku

    #277, and not only that polly, they indicated nintendo only published the tittles and they do not owned them, like publishing is nothing important or is in some sort of detriment for the new IP, like they made them lesser games, or if they made them not new IPS at all, and in my eyes the publisher is as involved in the creation of the game like the developer (creator) or owner, this games can be consider part of the publisher as well, because they put intellectual and financially effort and expertise, but i guess they had to sustain the fact that new ips on nintendo system do not appear, because they choose to believe so.
    p.s a good publisher can be the difference between a good game or bad.

    #281 3 years ago
  282. polygem

    @281: i know…what can you do. no matter how many posts will follow. even if we will hit the guiness book of records…still nintendo did not make a “real” new ip since mario bros, but even if they did, noone cares but 5 year olds and their moms. their dads and all the other real men on this planet don´t care. they play the daddystation (that term was classic).

    #282 3 years ago
  283. Dragon246

    You missed the most important one. VC is an under-appreciated gem of the gen.
    I played both of them as a matter of fact. Finished zelda, played galaxy 3/4th. Although as I look for story elements and reality in games, mario doesnt suit me. Zelda does to an extent.
    To both you and monkeyg, when did I stated that ninty games are bad or are for kids only? I only stated the “holier than thou” approach of ninty fans towards it is unjustified. Coping is prevalent in all industries. Good things get copied. Everyone copies everyone, and it doesnt matter as long as end product is good. None of you commented on the fact that ninty copied xbox controller, which itself is not a bad thing. But saying that anything original originates out of ninty is pure garbage.
    Also ninty fans should learn to give credits where its due. Not give “aww, copied from ninty” response.
    Anyway, time to sleep:)

    #283 3 years ago
  284. polygem

    :D !!!

    #284 3 years ago
  285. ManuOtaku

    #283 well to tell you the truth i agree Valkiria Chronicles and folklore are the most impressive games on the ps3 IMHO, but i will not put them above mario galaxy, i will say they are equally good, i love them all, i will not pick one over the other, the 3 are great games, really

    #285 3 years ago
  286. polygem

    hey dragon…i give credit to a lot of games that are not nintendo games. i must admit that the ones i love the most in decades of videogaming are nintendo games. they are special (NINTENDO MAGIC ANYONE???). overall i am with IM here, a good game is a good game. it was all about the ones pretending ALL nintendo games are kids games. that was when this thread exploded.and for a reason because that was bullshit. anyway. good night.

    #286 3 years ago
  287. polygem

    folklore was great i agree…never played VC because when it came out i was ps3 less. then i forgot about it. maybe i should write it on my list again. that´s why i like this forum so much. even if we call each other idiots, or let´s put it this way: even if some are calling others idiots (not you dragon), you can still always find a nice reminder of a great game you missed out on.

    #287 3 years ago
  288. Bojangles

    @281 Please give it a rest with the IP plea bargaining. You’ve demonstrated you don’t actually know who is responsible for an IP. You’ve demonstrated that, wherever possible, you’ll just give Nintendo the credit for it and hope nobody notices if that’s not true (but you’re extremely fussy about anyone else receiving credit for anything). When it turns out you were wrong the best you can do is concede that point – but you’ll take pot-shots at any other company you can in the same breath – even if that company has nothing to do with the current point being discussed. That’s just childish tit-for-tat.

    As for the two other zealots, they’re simply trolling now and they’re extending that trolling outside of this so-called discussion.

    I’d say that, between a handful of you, you have managed to do considerable harm to Nintendo’s image here and the image to fans of Nintendo everywhere.

    #288 3 years ago
  289. Fin

    Don’t you people have jobs?

    #289 3 years ago
  290. ManuOtaku

    #288 look you belive what you want bu,t new ips on nintendo console do exist, published, owned, or whatever is yout fancy, denying that is believing what you choose to believe, i will stand by that notion, i will not change that and obviously you stand the other way, thats fine, multiple opinions, but thats not make yout opnion a fact, and neither does mine neither, i just posting my opinion so other people can decirn and base their on opinion on that matter, not having only one opinion, like nintendo system doesnt have any new ips, i put my version too thats all, nintendo systems are home for new ips, and for the record a publisher has a lot of doing in a game or franchise, a publisher deserves credit on a game, saying other wise just demostrates how wrong you are

    #290 3 years ago
  291. ManuOtaku

    #289 yeah iam working hard now, well hardly working ;)

    #291 3 years ago
  292. polygem

    @288: lol. saying this to manu, one of the most polite, thought out and unbiased commentors on this site, probably on the internet. who are you mr bojangles that you can judge if someone did harm nintendo´s image and the image of nintendo fans everywhere…you must have special powers indeed. the third eye maybe.

    @289: i had two days off yesterday and today, but you wont get rid of me soon. i can officially go online and post here and there when i am at work…

    #292 3 years ago
  293. OlderGamer

    Thing is fellas, about all they have is hate and insults.

    The one thing they can’t counter is the biggest one:

    Nintendo games sell.

    We as the dedicated gamer crowd are often told that we are losing importance to the industry. We are told that we have a dimissing demographic. We are told that other types of games are making more money. We read start up, kickstarters, social gaming, mobile gaming, etc, are were the actual growth is coming from. And as a result people go beyond just fanboyism. They get angry. They often feel threatend and that just makes it worse.

    Then we are told that Nintendo isn’t for the core. For us.

    We get exposed to that type of stuff over and over. we read it, we hear it. So now threads come along with the idea of sturing that mixture up. 300 posts later we get this type of thing.

    At some point it stops being about the actual games themself. They aren’t attacking games, they are attacking an ideology.

    #293 3 years ago
  294. lexph3re

    oooohhhh boy oooohhhh boy

    #294 3 years ago
  295. Fin


    |Then we are told that Nintendo isn’t for the core. For us.

    Increasingly fewer games Nintendo makes are for core audiences. Likewise with consoles. Seriously, if you can’t see that you’re blind.

    #295 3 years ago
  296. polygem

    give it up lex…og is back in the game just in time to hit the 300 as well :D

    #296 3 years ago
  297. OrbitMonkey

    Imagine if in ten years, Ninty are the only company still making the “core” games, old gamers recognize? Whilst everyone else moved onto selling games apportioned out in bitesize dlc and focusing on social multimedia :-/

    #297 3 years ago
  298. Fin


    Yeah man, I’m looking forward to Wii U2 Fit: With Heartbeat Sensor!

    #298 3 years ago
  299. lexph3re

    oh boy

    #299 3 years ago
  300. OlderGamer

    See, Fin, I just don’t feel that way.

    What makes a game core or not? To me it is solid gameplay. Fun factor. And …what? Hard to nail that one down really. But to me, it goes way beyond a generic online shooter. It has to, or our industry has already failed.

    #300 3 years ago
  301. lexph3re

    300!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

    #301 3 years ago
  302. OrbitMonkey

    @298, Secret Ninty lover!!

    #302 3 years ago
  303. lexph3re


    #303 3 years ago
  304. OrbitMonkey

    Lol, lex beaten by OG… Again!!

    Oh that’s beautiful :-)

    #304 3 years ago
  305. polygem

    :D :D :D

    #305 3 years ago
  306. OlderGamer

    hahaha make it stop, my ribs hurt from laughing so hard!!!

    The crazy part is I wasn’t even trying to make a quick post to get the number. I was making a legit post hahah.

    Sorry lex. You can have 400, I pormise ;)

    #306 3 years ago
  307. polygem

    ok everyone. perfect timing for me to go to bed finally! good game!

    #307 3 years ago
  308. lexph3re

    noo… I was going to say something epic like…. This…IS…. 300!!!!!!!! but now…. my legend is crushed to a mere 299 and a…. oh boy…..

    #308 3 years ago
  309. Bojangles

    @292 “saying this to manu, one of the most polite, thought out and unbiased commentors on this site, probably on the internet. who are you mr bojangles that you can judge if someone did harm nintendo´s image and the image of nintendo fans everywhere…you must have special powers indeed. the third eye maybe.”

    Sadly, this person you speak so highly of has demonstrated considerable bias and double-standards. Alongside a serious lack of understanding of the points he continually and blindly gives Nintendo credit for. Credit for which they are not entitled. He continues to do this in spite of the facts being pointed out. Claiming 2 and 2 is 5 is never going to be right. No matter how politely you make that claim. Conversely, it is not impolite to tell that person that 2 and 2 are not 5.

    It is childish and rude, however, to attempt to blame others when you’re in the wrong.

    Politeness has nothing to do with it – though, like you and your third amigo – I’ve seen you all name-calling and goading others at the drop of a hat today. So let’s not exhibit even more of these double standards please?

    Few people are spewing the venomous empty hate that you and others are claiming. That’s simply another attempt to dismiss the points being raised rather than address them. It’s very childish behaviour.

    Far fewer people hate Nintendo than you claim.

    However, there are many that have absolutely no tolerance for a limited world view being rammed down their throat by immature people that gleefully overlook facts and write revisionist history. I think it’s perfectly understandable why people would hate that sort of thing that the characters that peddle it.

    This continual childish conduct and antagonistic behaviour elsewhere is very damning on the company you evangelise and the subsection of gaming culture you believe you represent. Being dismissive and acting in denial of details that don’t please you looks to be standard operating procedure around here, so it’s not at all surprising that you act like you simply can’t see it.

    I’m sure, once your batteries are recharged, you’ll demonstrate all of the above with gusto. You’ve an exemplary track record so far.

    #309 3 years ago
  310. OlderGamer

    Boja, you really wanna hang your hat on that?

    #310 3 years ago
  311. Clupula

    @309 – once again, I applaud you for being the voice of reason here.

    #311 3 years ago
  312. monkeygourmet


    The burning issue of the new controller (wii U) copying the 360 pad …

    That is shitty business I’m afraid.

    If Nintendo refused to do this, COD would clearly not make so much of an impact on the new hardware.

    That’s not Nintendos fault, that’s Activision steamrolling them into making the pad available to attract COD players…

    I’m sure Miyamoto et all, couldn’t give one fuck to these assholes, but, business is business.

    You cannot afford to miss on the COD franchise. This is a different arguement for big business effecting the development of consoles for better or worse.

    #312 3 years ago
  313. monkeygourmet


    Bo, Jesus man…

    What games do you enjoy?!

    Where do you place Nintendo in gaming innovation?

    What consoles do you own?

    Are Nintendo milking Mario’s teats..,? If yes then state your reasons…

    Your spending hours in saying nothing…

    #313 3 years ago
  314. Fin


    So you’re saying Nintendo should’ve ignored Activision (and by extension, all multi-platform third parties) and not made the controller? lololololololol

    If they’d done that, the Wii U really would have been the last Nintendo console. It’s not Activision’s fault at all, it’s Nintendo saying “oh shit, we’re missing out on 100% of this market PLEASE PLEASE PUT THE NEXT CALL OF DUTY ON WII U”.

    But it doesn’t matter, as gamers who don’t care about Mario (that is, everyone over the age of 12, and everyone who isn’t suckered by nostalgia) or Zelda don’t give a fuck about Nintendo consoles.

    #314 3 years ago
  315. bakagami

    hey, if they can continue to make good games that keeps the IP fresh, then more power to them. I remember having a blast with Paper Mario TYD on the GC. Look what they keep doing to the Metroid series, that is an old IP but they keep making great games.
    I think they need to breathe some new life into Zelda though, but that’s probably just me (please don’t throw things at me).

    #315 3 years ago
  316. monkeygourmet


    Your comment is garbled…

    Nintendo HAD to show a ‘hardcore’ pad to ensure THIRD party support…

    Relevant for business, but hardly needed for intuative games…

    Will I buy Black Ops 2 on the Wii U? No…

    But it’s nice to have the option there…

    Good business, Yarp?

    So, a new revamp hardcore controller was needed from a business perspective. Same as the Dual Shock wont cut it next gen…

    #316 3 years ago
  317. Dragon246

    @316, Still harping the same tune? Whats so new about pro controller?
    Anyway long live the longest thread!!!

    #317 3 years ago
  318. frostquake

    Is Oldergamer still arguing about that Quick Time Event where Mario has sex with Peach and Zelda by pressing the corresponding buttons in succession to get gold milk coins?? I think they should leave it in there..wink…wink!

    #318 3 years ago
  319. polygem

    Dear Mr. Bojangles, all that i personally get out of your letter is that you seem to be a guy highly in love with himself. you can write but really can´t you read? are you still studiying to become the chief public prosecutor one day? i hope not. noone would get a fair process here in internetland because you´d probably twist and turn every single word refusing to listen, always accusing.
    i am not writing you all the arguments again, you can look them up yourself and maybe you should make some notes this time. most of the stuff you claim happenend only happened in your own mind. it´s never too late to admit mistakes though. i am very sorry for your inconvenience sir and if one of the “amigos” did hurt your feelings, sorry about that too.
    regards polygem

    p.s: i know you still have a heart because you were at least able to see the child in me.

    #319 3 years ago
  320. Dragon246


    #320 3 years ago
  321. Bojangles

    I note that both 313 and 319 do exactly as expected: dismiss the details given or imply they don’t even exist by shifting the goalposts again.

    I think this topic speaks volumes in that the same few people that have perpetuated it over 300 or so posts have utterly failed to change or broaden anyone’s views on the sermon they preach.

    The only appeal of this train-wreck is to see what lunacy the next David Icke-style outburst will bring.

    #321 3 years ago
  322. polygem

    @321: the over 300 posts you obviously did not read?

    #322 3 years ago
  323. polygem

    you did read too much dostojewski obviously by the way but you failed to get the essence of the message…just like this time.

    #323 3 years ago
  324. monkeygourmet


    I have explained:

    Why i like Nintendo games. (and also PS3 / 360 games)
    Why i appriciate Nintendo taking risks and evolving the gaming landscape.
    Why i think other companies obviously look to them for inspiaration.

    All this in a thread to discuss Nintendo and it’s franchises… (amazing eh?!)

    What are you bringing to the thread, apart from trying to blindly defend other companies who are only being called out when they have obviously used Nintendo for inspiration a little bit too much…

    #324 3 years ago
  325. Fin

    |apart from trying to blindly defend other companies who are only being called out when they have obviously used Nintendo for inspiration a little bit too much

    Accuses other people of blindly defending other companies.
    Blindly defends preferred company.

    Care to elobarate on “too much”?
    It’s not like Nintendo have copied anything away. Indeed, if they had actually copied things (eg CDs, multiplayer, gamertags, online presence) at the appropriate time, rather than just sticking their head in the sand, they’d be a far healthier company.

    #325 3 years ago
  326. Fin

    Actually, to the people saying Nintendo aren’t targetting kids with their games, how do you explain the use of friend codes?

    #326 3 years ago
  327. monkeygourmet


    They are, it’s just a lot of the games transend age. If you think guns and gore = adult games then we will never agree on anything.

    Kind of like studio Ghibli films if you need another parrellel.

    Of course Nintendo aren’t completly blame free when it comes to looking for other companies for inspiration. But notice how all the things you mentioned were needed from a business perspective, no games. Generally the games they create set the standerd other companies try and copy.

    There’s no ‘art’ in a CD drive thats bulk manufactured.

    To spin it around, what do you think Sony and MS have brought to the table since they started producing games machines?

    #327 3 years ago
  328. Gadzooks!

    Thread still going? Impressive!

    Interesting to see how the two sides in this argument pan out. The Ninty defenders all polite, explaining patiently again and again why they like Ninty games while the frothing rabid horde and it’s army of self-agreeing alt accounts spit bile and tell them how wrong they think they are.

    Keep up the good work poly, manu, OG et al. In this thread you manage to be fanboys but without all the negative connotations.

    That’s Nintendo fans in general though I find. One of the reasons that even though I dont own a Nintendo console at the moment I’m still a big fan of theirs.

    #328 3 years ago
  329. Fin


    Eh? CDs gave developers more space to work with, leading to higher fidelity games (soundtracks, dialogue, mo-cap etc).
    Multiplayer’s a component of games, dunno how you think that’s only business.

    Mass-marketing games (making them cool)
    Pushing the technical limits
    Promoting new, risky IP
    Use of CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays
    Hardware revisions

    Very good online system
    Best controller
    Firmware updates/revamping the entire UI
    Party system
    Game launched being reported on my mass media (Halo 2 was the first one I can remember)

    By comparison, this is all I can think of for Nintendo:
    Made games even more mass-market, outside core audience

    I can’t even think of a single game design decision that Nintendo has made in the last ten years that’s been widely adopted (excluding motion control, which both Sony and Microsoft have done better technically, and which is bullshit anyway).

    #329 3 years ago
  330. monkeygourmet


    This list from someone who is supposed to enjoy gaming just about sums it up really.

    All you’ve got is talk of hardware. Even using CD, DVD & Bluray as examples of innovation?!

    That is Sony’s stealth tactic to help push their choosen media format into your homes!

    Jesus, yeah i love the fact my PS3 has a 2 speed Bluray drive enabling lazy developers to fill it up with cut scenes i then have to install…

    You’ve seem to ommit GAMING innovation…

    #330 3 years ago
  331. Fin


    “To spin it around, what do you think Sony and MS have brought to the table since they started producing games machines?”

    Sorry, I assumed here that you meant platform related, though, again, all the things I mentioned have made for better games.

    And, again, excluding motion control, I can’t remember the last time Nintendo actually did something innovative with games. Sure some of their games are good, but innovative? No.

    But it’s ok, just keep ignoring the points I make and focus on the fact that NINTENDO IS GAMES.
    Oh, and don’t forget to disparage other arguments and push your own conspiracy bullshit! (stealth tactic, lazy developers)

    #331 3 years ago
  332. Da Man

    Same old troll posting same old well worded but utterly inane essays, and $599 zealots like the clupulas they are giving him hysterical ovations. How surprising.

    Both 3DO and Saturn used CD-rom, and both came before PS.

    #332 3 years ago
  333. Fin


    Christ, I wasn’t saying Sony invented the CD (though they did, didn’t they?), I’m saying they popularised it.

    Please, keep finding tiny faults in things I post, and ignore the issue at hand.
    We can get to 400!!

    #333 3 years ago
  334. OrbitMonkey

    @329, So Sony make games mass market, which is cool, but Ninty making games mass market is not? Er… Ok. We’ll just ignore the fact MS and Sony are now hungry for that slice of uncool pie.

    Oh and I could be wrong but apparently the Famicon game pad kinda inspired every pad that followed with its button layout.

    #334 3 years ago
  335. Fin


    Wtf, did you read anything I wrote? Motion control is BS for core games.
    Sony opened up the demographic from kids to all 18-34 year old males (that’s what I meant by mass market – Wipeout was the first “cool” game). Nintendo broadened the audience to 18-54 males/females, but wait, I don’t give a fuck about that, though I did mention it in the list.

    Again, I said the last ten years for innovation. Correct me if I’m wrong, but the NES and SNES gamepads were 20 years ago.

    #335 3 years ago
  336. OrbitMonkey

    @345, Well to be honest your statement read like this… This is a list of all the kewl things the adult console makers have done, blah blah helped me attain puberty blah. And then came this long list of awesome gaming trends from the last… Oh more than ten years of their history.

    That’s why I mentioned the Famicon.

    #336 3 years ago
  337. KrazyKraut

    I want a new wario. shake dimension was awesome.

    #337 3 years ago
  338. OrbitMonkey

    By the by, what is the issue at hand? Milking of Mario? Ninty not being a global gaming brand? Airing of Core gamers glaring insecurities? I lose track :-)

    #338 3 years ago
  339. monkeygourmet


    The ‘cool’ arguement is hilarious!

    I couldn’t enjoy games before Sony made them cool! If anything, this is exactly what pissed me off about Sony’s approach.

    Can’t beat them on gameplay, try to beat them on image…

    What it gave you was a clear style over substance approach to gaming. Microsoft have now taken that and ran with it because it’s a good way to capture the teenage market who will buy anything with tits and gore in.

    It’s such an easy demographic it’s not even funny. But your perception of ‘cool’ is worrying, all Sony’s cool titles were decidely average once you stripped away the bells and whistles…

    I went from enjoying games such as Mario World, Secret of Mana, Gunstar Heros at school, to suddenly realising everyone was raving about Toshinden and Ridge Racer because they looked so Awesome! Yeah, never mind about the gameplay.

    It’s exactly why i still enjoy a good Nintendo game now, i still have the other consoles but Nintendo manages to put a lot of development time into gameplay and control that other companies don’t seem to worry about as much.

    Also, it’s true that Sony used the playstation platform to stealth their choosen media format into your home. They even tried the same with 3d but that kind of fell on it’s arse.

    Why can’t you understand that? They are a huge electroncs corperation that have a vested interest in you purchasing their Blurays and TV’s… Same as DVD and PS2…

    #339 3 years ago
  340. Dragon246

    The “cool” thing is not completely. Ninty brought the video games as an important part of entertainment industry by reviving it in the eighties, but ps brand revolutionised gaming by introducing it the masses, something ninty was not able to do. Ninty again broadened the horizons with wii.
    “Also, it’s true that Sony used the playstation platform to stealth their choosen media format into your home.”
    Whats wrong with that? Both formats are the best in the business. If anything, providing latest tech in consoles is not a bad thing at all.
    “Why can’t you understand that? They are a huge electroncs corperation that have a vested interest in you purchasing their Blurays and TV’s… Same as DVD and PS2…”
    You really dont know anything do you? Tell me a single product which a company doesnt produce with its own interest in mind? They are NOT charitable orgs. Of course, both ninty and ms had vested interests in their consoles because they want them to sell and make a profit.
    And Ps2 really? You dont know console gaming if you dont like ps2.

    #340 3 years ago
  341. Christopher Jack

    Wow! Still going!

    #341 3 years ago
  342. manamana

    This thread IS epic.


    #342 3 years ago
  343. ManuOtaku

    Woow i leave work thinking this trend had stoped but man i was wrong, #309 Bojangles, the things you put can be also applied to you, and remember the first one to thrown insults in this trend was you, check it please, also while you check you can see that all my points regarding New Ip´s on nintendo systems, nintendo being kidy, etc were always deviated intentionally to sustain your views on the matter, first people mentioned now new ips, then changed to owned ips, disminishing the publishers actions torwars and IP, also indicating that exclusives dont mean a thing, when they are a big part of a console,those games i mentioned are nintendo new ips exclusives, hence the only for tag on the cover of some of those tittles, and all this with the intention of forcing the no owned nintendo IPS on nintendo consoles way of thinking, thats the only thing ,you guys kept doing time and time and again with a great effort, deviating the issue that new ips exist on nintendo consoles.

    And this without realizing that some of those new ips i did mentioned, are owned or co-owned by nintendo and were publishing by them, as a matter of fact if you look to most of the games in sony and nintendo catalog you see most of them were published by them, which means they can own or dont own the IP, but both sony and nintendo are developers and publishers as well, therefore dimishing the nintendo published tittles, while prasing sony published tittles is in reality a double standard, like i said your opinion is valid, what is not valid is stating constantly is the whole true and an statement of fact, and intentinally forcing the subject of the issue to accomodate it to your believes.

    As for the point of nintendo games being for kids, like i mentioned in this trend before, the intended audience and for that the main target of the majority of nintendo tittles is everyone, which means kids, teenagers, young people, and old, which is very diffirent to the kids only main audience, therefore you can spin that all you want but theres a reason such clasifications exist, because they established the aimed audience for a game.

    And i know you want to have the last word on the matter, but like i said whatever you put next, it wont be the true or the fact, and for that matter neither do i, they are just opinions, fell happy becuase there are multiple opinions, but dont disregard the oppositte of your opinions, becuase you want it.

    #343 3 years ago
  344. polygem

    “cool” definiteley has a completeley different meaning to me than to most others here i just realised. the sony “coolness” is what i dislike about sony the most. it´s so obvious and embarassing most of the time. make.believe –
    i hate this kind of stuff. jump in is by far the better slogan here, while using usher to represent coolness is a big “not cool” though.
    so what did the coolness argumentation bring to the table? nintendo wins in coolness too because they are so cool, they are not even afraid to let kirby do the job of representing coolness…

    #344 3 years ago
  345. polygem

    i think the definition of coolness plays a bigger role in this discussion in general than i thought…many just think nintendo is not cool, so it must be kids stuff…while to me you really cannot be much cooler than kirby or the wiggler…but ok, now i get. those people really do find marcus fenix cool?! i just thought that could not be the case, but it is? a new life has just begun for me…

    #345 3 years ago
  346. OlderGamer

    @MonkeyG, 339 I have not read a better post in long time. Nicly done.

    I mean really nice. That is exactly why I say Nintendo is the only game company still making hardware.

    MS and Sony both have other motives then just selling us games. Not to say that they both don’t have people that are 100% game people trying hard to deliver us great games. But as a company, their focus is on things like mutlimedia boxes and non game related services. Games are just a part of their strategy.

    For Nintendo games are the strategy.

    #346 3 years ago
  347. deathm00n

    I’ve read once that if Nintendo releases a cardboard saying it can run mario people would buy it, after all this comments I think it’s true

    #347 3 years ago
  348. polygem

    it was pacther who said that. that makes it 100% confirmed untrue…

    on the other hand…a cardboard box playing mario?….hmmm i´d might consider buying it. sounds awesome actually! the perfect platform for the paper mario games.

    #348 3 years ago
  349. Fin

    |I’ve read once that if Nintendo releases a cardboard saying it can run mario people would buy it

    |that makes it 100% confirmed untrue…

    |i´d might consider buying it

    #349 3 years ago
  350. Gadzooks!

    Treefiddy guys, it’s there for the taking…

    #350 3 years ago
  351. Da Man

    Bill Gates once said that if Sony released a brick (for $599), people would still buy it. Unfortunately, that was true seven years ago.

    #351 3 years ago
  352. G1GAHURTZ


    It’s not #350 you want, it’s #351, because then your comment will be at the top of the page, like this one!

    #352 3 years ago
  353. Gadzooks!

    Haha! I bow down to your superior forum posting skills! :)

    To be honest though, I just wanted a legitimate reason to say ‘treefiddy’. Opportunities like that don’t come along too often.

    #353 3 years ago
  354. polygem

    @fin: …

    #354 3 years ago
  355. Bojangles

    @343 Given as how it’s been proved more than once that you fabricated details in order to give Nintendo credit, you’re not really in a position to declare what is ‘true’ and ‘fact’.

    #355 3 years ago
  356. polygem

    yea bojangles you made very clear already that ONLY YOU are in the position to declare what is true and fact in the internets. please excuse us minions lord. what do we know…

    #356 3 years ago
  357. manamana

    Wowzer! Now who’s the ultimate fanboy and makes the 360 comment, huh? Show your face! :-D

    #357 3 years ago
  358. ManuOtaku

    Bojangles you are really running out of arguments right, because in my comment number 343 i stated the following that your opinion wasnt fact, and neither was mine becuase both were opinions in the last paragraph of my comment, which goes this way:

    “And i know you want to have the last word on the matter, but like i said whatever you put next, it wont be the true or the fact, and for that matter neither do i, they are just opinions, fell happy becuase there are multiple opinions, but dont disregard the oppositte of your opinions, becuase you want it”.

    Now based on the way you use words, and the constant man hunt, are you by any chance Joe Mushashi before known as Kerplunk?, because the similarities are striking in style and in actions, i know iam not a golden coin to be liked by everyone,everywhere, all the time but man it does get tiresome if you are him, but i do really hope you are not him.

    #358 3 years ago
  359. DrDamn

    For goodness sake! Won’t somebody think of the children! (and their Nintendo games ;))

    #359 3 years ago
  360. OrbitMonkey

    ^ troll ;-)

    #360 3 years ago
  361. OrbitMonkey

    < shit console

    #361 3 years ago
  362. G1GAHURTZ

    ^ ZING!

    #362 3 years ago
  363. ManuOtaku

    p.s for one moment i did thought the other thread, regarding WoW, will surpass this one, but how wrong was i :)

    #363 3 years ago
  364. polygem

    gaymers are lame

    #364 3 years ago
  365. ManuOtaku


    #365 3 years ago
  366. polygem

    R.I.P. this thread…we´ll see your rebirth some day. it will soon come. i am sure.

    #366 3 years ago
  367. Dragon246


    #367 3 years ago
  368. Sadismek

    @365 Rest in peace, thread! You’ve had a short, but bursting life. :)

    #368 3 years ago

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