Rumor – Xbox 720 documents show next-gen plans

Fake as hell. Although it’s very well done.

If it is complete utter BULLSHIT! why bother post it?

Ooh I know.. just in case it is not as shitty as you thought.. I’m cool.

This seems full on legit to me.

There’s just too much in there. Hardware knowledge, business terminology, project management terminology, etc, etc.

Also, I didn’t know it was 2 years old, but if it is, how did they know that Gears 4 would be releasing this gen, and that Gears 5 would be after 2013?

If MS had followed their usual 2 year release schedule, Gears 4 would have been late 2013, like we were all expecting until about 3 weeks ago.

@2 Because it’s my “job”. Moving along…….

Another point:

Forget the visual aids. I’ve done graphic design work on loads of presentations for very big, multi-million pound projects, and not only do they obviously all need first drafts (which this could also be), but some of them are originally just done by people with no design skills who just need to get their ideas across to an internal senior before any initial work gets the green light.

Also, if it’s 2 years old…

How did they know about SmartGlass?

@1: The document was uploaded to Scribd in May, and Smart Glass was unveiled at E3 in June without any rumors about it beforehand. I think this is legit.

Edit: G1GAHURTZ beat me to it.

Hmmm, if it is genuine I hope they have changed certain plans, only 6x the 360? Seems measly to me, looks like they are going towards a much more TiVo box that plays games strategy. Wait and see.

@4 I sure respect that, it’s just that.. I’m jealous I don’t have your job

@9 Don’t be sweetie – I am old and bitter, and ready to scoff at anything like this after seeing sooooo many “leaks”, and “rumors”. Stay positive. xxoo

When i read this i was very skeptical. But then i saw that it was upload to Scribd around may when nobody knew about SmartGlass. Plus apparently a Ex-Microsoft guy confirmed this to be legit.

2013 it is then….

Although that Phil Spencer claims 360 has more than 2,5 years left….but of course he’d say that.

I think it’s legit, but is more like a document for discussion or ideas for the future, rather than a roadmap. If it was an actual plan, it would have “secret”, not “confidential”.

True, but i just hope we’re finally got get a ‘good’ MS conference next year again, only good because of a brand new system reveal, that is.

I think a lot of it is plausible – like I already said. The bit I “don’t see as plausible, is the “always on” only because not all households have decent internet. Granted they may have it well enough to get online, so a beacon can shine into MS headquarters, but in my town alone, there are many people with gaming systems and no internet access… still. But like @12 said – I see it more as a “discussion” more than anything. Not a confirmation of anything.

I am also disappointed no one noted the sarcasm on my “visual aids” bit. I must be losing my touch.

It’s just funny how some people always scream ‘fake’ right away, like in the forum. Funny and kinda stupid actually.

Hey Steph do you know if any of the gaming press has been invited to MS announcement thingy on Monday?

It’ certainly food for thought. It’s seems to also be a advertisement for 3rd parties too. MS offering them access to a dedicated user base, whose preferences they can monitor so as to better target them with new stuff.

Let’s say all of this is legit. So where is Next Gen there?

It is basically an upgraded SmartGlass Box with 4GB Ram and CPU, GPU that they can’t mention. (They have something there, but the words are small). + Kinect V2 (AGAIN) and some 3D glasses aka new Fad like Project Natal was.

and of course the look of the new console even if it is a concept is… DVD Player. Cool.

@16 I highly doubt monday will be about anything Xbox related. Well, maybe that Xbox TV, and that would make this doc even more believeable. Seems very non-gaming related.

@18

Six times as powerful as 360 as the doc says…that’s not next gen? It all remains to be seen how powerful its really gonna be though.

Apparently a Ex-MS employee has confirmed the docs to be legit.

My videocard alone is more powerful then Xbox 360 for 15 times for example.

I think it may be legit in nature, but that doesn’t mean it has to reflect word for word what is happening with Xbox Next. Some of the stuff could be spot on and some of it someones “dream” or vision of what the next xbox will be.

These aren’t a release tech sheet for the next gen. More of a direction of thought. And isn’t it convientant that this comes out before wiiUs launch, right after a horrible MS E3? Because it fuels what most avid gamers think, and that the next gen is going to be this steller advance forward. The whole thing smells of a PR “leak” to me.

Time will tell.

“and contain “always online” tech” Ouch.
Up until this point I was happy but an always online system is just bad. Seriously, I know piracy is a real problem but that doesn’t mean they should do that. Movies can be stolen too but it does not mean we have to be always online in order to watch any movie (OMG, Don’t read this hollywood! Don’t use this idea).

@ 21 That’s very true. It’s right after E3, but the Wii U won’t release until the holidays, which is still quite far off.

We’re gonna have to wait and see, but sooner or later they have to come with a new system. Sony ain’t sitting still either.

I do believe it, especially regarding the power of the console, the price and the blue ray physical disc, and this is in line what i did believe for the next gen a good graphical punch but not as last gen to keep it affordable, now the thing will be how much of impact will epic have with this, i mean if they can convince microsoft to go further in order to support the epic tech, and the always connected issue, which is the thing iam most concerned the most about this, i hope they can work something out about this, for the rest iam quite happy, especially with the price part.

6x 360 is a tad disappointing to me, was expecting more to be honest, more fool me I suppose

But 299usd? I see xbox360s on the shelf for more then right now? I could see 299usd with a 2 year LIVE Premium(notice I didn’t say gold) agreement(at 15usd+/month). Then maybe. But, imo 299usd is just one of the holes in this.

I see 360s going for $99, you need to move.

i think microsoft are sooo thinking that consumers are their money puppets creating a six6 times powerfull machine is just sooo bullshit i mean this is supposed to render avatar this is supposed to be next gen after all this years being loyal to xbox they treat us as their money making puppets offering us a cheap console thats not powerfull enough i mean come on were fans not consumers dont treat us like that make a grizzly burning machine that roars put 20 cores on it n put 2 690 gtxs on it we need to experience the next gen come onnnn microsoft next year im deffinetely buying a playstation 4 sony cares about gamers and i believe they have a beast of a machine for us to play god of war 5 in billions of polygones

If it does end up employing an “always online” system, they can rightly fuck off and keep it.

blah blah blah!!! blah blah blah!!! were not 3rd grade girls we need a monster machine not 6x powerfull please we need 1000 times powerfull i need the future right now next year we wont notice the difference with 6x the power we dont need a cheap machine and tv services n cheap motion tracking we need a gaming console weve got other gizmos that do that crap oooh man microsoft is really killing the industry im telling you the next gen unveil will be boring if you went on stage and speak about 6 times the power and tv services with glasses CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND NOT EVERYONE HAS INTERNET ACCESS SO MICROSOFT PLEASE MAKE A CONSOLE OF THE GAMERS FOR THE GAMERS BY THE GAMERS!!! WE NEED TO PLAY THE LUMINOUS ENGINE WITH ITS GLORIOUS GRAPHICS IN REAL TIME I THINK MICROSOFT DOESNT REALLY QUITE GET HOW IT FEELS WHEN YOU FINALLY GET TO PLAY ASSASSINS CREED 3 IN GRAPHICS OF THE LUMINOUS ENGINE QUALITY

Btw, always online even worked for PC with Diablo III so i think you can all expect only that from a major PC OS publisher.

I’m trying to figure out if shangothomas is serious…. Also is 6x the power of 360 that bad? I think six times what I play now would be awesome, especially for $300.

Always online…?

I thought it was always on, not always online?

Which page talks about always online? There’s obviously a big difference between the two.

I can see how always on makes sense, if you’re going to be able to access content from anywhere using SmartGlass, then you’ll need it to be on frequently. Also, if it’s supposed to be a cable box/DVD player/hifi replacement, it’s going to have to be on almost permanently, anyway.

Apparently, that’s why they’ve put certain processors that have been built for super low power consumption, too.

Why are people so against the always online thing though? When i put my 360 on now i’m always online as well, soo…..

@35, because Always Online aka DRM are disconnects, latency issues, server issues and if I for example want to spend my summer in summer cottage there is no internet so i won’t play on the console if it requires to be online always.

Always Online is bad for gaming in general and Diablo III proves that.

@stretch215 i am serious right now there are pcs that are even 10x powerfull than the 360 and when you play the top high end games like crysis you dont see much of a difference visually compared to the ps3 and 360 versions except for the tesselation and improved stuff but there isnt that much of a leap they all look a bit the same if the 720 will be only 6 times as powerfull well that is so much a shame really its not powerfull enough for hard core gamers and for a 10 year life cycle and sony will obviously correct its problems with the cell and make an easier and powerfull version of it for the ps4 i dont want a cheap machine i want a machine that is truly next generation i dont want to buy something for 300 dolLors that is just a cupcake improvement from the last machine its like an xbox 400 n not 720 its a shame they came in e3 with nothing of a big surpeise and showed us stuff thats not related to gaming and now this THIS IS TOO MUCH MY LOVE FOR CONSOLE GAMING IS REALLY COMING TO AN END I CANT BELIEVE WELL ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH 6X THE POWER FOR 10 YEARS AGAIN ITS A PAIN N WE SUFFER THE MOST THEY GET THE MONEY BECAUSE OF MEASLY MINECFRAFT AND ANGRY BIRDS PLAYERS WE CORE GAMERS HAVE TO SUFFER FOR 10 YEARS I REALLY HAVE GOT TO STICK TO THE PC

Yeah, I checked again.

It’s not ‘always online’, it’s ‘always on’.

Not that I have a problem with always online, but the document never mentioned it.

6X THE POWER WILL ONLY BE ENOUGH IF THEY HAD INFINITE TESSELATION OR POLYGONES ON THE LATEST DIRECT X 11.1 OR UNLIMITED DETAIL POINT CLOUD DATA OR THE “C DRAGON” PIXEL TECHNIQUE REALLY BUT REALISTICALLY 6X THE POWER IS JUST AN XBOX 360 WITH KINECT 2 SUPPORT NOTHING MORE THAN THAT POOR AND THE WORST PART IS THE MACHINES ARE ALREADY IN PRODUCTION I HOPE THEY DONT EVEN SHOW IT ON E3 NEXT YEAR JUST GET THE LAZY MACHINE ON THE STOORS N WAIT FOR BLONDES AND FAMILY GUYS TO BUY IT I WISH ALL DECELOPERS COULD STOP MAKING GAMES UNTILL MICROSOFT AND SONY CREATE A BETTER MACHINE THIS IS AWFULL THE INDUSTRY HAS LOST ITS HEAD AND THEY HAVE ABIGGER N WIDER FAN BASE NOW THEY CAN DO ANYTHING AS CHEAP AS THEY CAN SOOO DISTURBING TO SEE ITS JUS 6X POWERFULL

@38 so it’s not what Erthazus fears and was talking about?

@39 holy crap dude, calm down and easy on the caps lock!!!

@40 THIS IS SERIOUS I AINT GONNA BUY A GAME TO GET ONLINE N WATCH TV OR USE SMART GLASS AND KINECT 2 I WANT A MACHINE TO PLAY PRE RENDERED CGI ON REAL TIME AND IT AINT GONNA BE EASY.. EASY IS FOR ANGRY BIRDS SORT OF PLAYERS AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO PLAY CALL OF DUTY ALL DAY IM THE UNCHARTED AND GOD OF WAR KINDA GUY I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND ME DUDE DEUCE !!

@39:

If graphics are that important to you, just build a gaming PC.

And stop shouting…

@40:

Exactly. Not even close.

@42 GRAPHICS ARE WHAT THIS INDUSTRY IS ALL ABOUT ITS WHY THEY MADE A PS2 AFTER PS2 AND A PS3 AFTER PS2 ITS WHAT MAKES THE INDUSTRIES MAKE POWERFULL CPUS AND INCREASE THE RAM AND SPEED ON THE GPUS GRAPHICS IS THE MAIN POINT HERE HALOOOOOO!! ALL THOSE OTHER STUFF CAN RUN ON A 360 THEN WHY DO WE NEED NEXT GEN IF NEXT GEN TO YOU IS ABOUT BEING ONLINE AND HAVING TO USE SMART GLASS THEN YOUR ON THE WRONG PLACE GO BUY A NOKIA 6800 AND PLAY THE SNAKE GAME… I ALREADY HAVE A PC BUT ALL TRIPLE AAA GAMES LOOK THE SAME ON ALL PLATFORMS GAMES ONLY LOOK ADVANCED ON A NEW CONSOLE SO STOP ACTING GAY IF YOU FEEL LIKE NOT REPLYING TO ME THEN SHUT UP AND REPLY ON SOMEONE ELSE’S STATUS… GOSH!

Actually I feel next-gen consoles should be made of hardware worth at least 500$-600$ and then sold at 100$ less. Even though a higher price will lead to slow sales early on, its hardware will be viable for longer period and sales will eventually increase.
Or they could release a 300-400$ console every 4-5 years which is probably what everyone will do, which is also fine and maybe better as it will lead to good sales throughout the generations life cycle and will decrease the case of buyers remorse for early adopters.

This guy is clearly a troll.

I am thinking the samething Mike, gonna be hard to follow any conversations with him doing crap like that.

This is all legit, american government promotes Engrish as the definitive tongue by leaking these documents.

The only problem with leaks/fakes like this, is that their usually twice as good as what you actually get…

@44 is talking sense if the 720 is gonna be 6x powerfull and comes for 300$ then i hope it stays for 4 years n not 6 or 10 thats gonna hurt!!

Well, well, well…

This story’s getting more and more interesting…

Looks like all of this was not only known, but also reported over a month ago, before E3: http://nukezilla.com/2012/05/04/exclusive-next-xbox-to-have-blu-ray-support-augmented-reality-glasses/

The whole SmartGlass thing is in there. It was reported, but almost none of the major sites picked it up.

(Hmmm… maybe they were too busy talking about Sony getting ready to announce a ‘cloud deal’!)