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Café closed: Nintendo debuts WiiU at E3 presser

Tuesday, 7th June 2011 17:46 GMT By Johnny Cullen

Nintendo’s lifted the veil of its brand new console in Los Angeles this evening, a machine with a tablet-based controller known as WiiU.

WiiU

Get full hands-on impressions and photos of play-testing here.

WiiU has a tablet-style controller. The console itself wasn’t shown today.

It’ll launch in 2012.

Super Smash Bros in development for WiiU as well as 3DS.

Major third-party support confirmed, including THQ, Warner, 2K and more.

Darksiders II, Batman: Arkham City, Ninja Gaiden III, Tekken, DiRT and Lego City Stories all coming to WiiU.

The tablet controller has a 6.2 inch screen on a 16×9 touch screen, D-pad, standard Nintendo A/B/X/Y buttons, L/R buttons & ZL/ZR buttons, an accelerometer, gyro sensor, rumble support, camera, mic, sensor and touch pen.

WiiU will be backwards compatible with Wii accessories such as the balance board, Wii Zapper, Classic Controller & its pro iteration and the nunchuk.

It can also display a video output of up to 1080p, comes with four USB ports and has flash memory, although can be expanded upon with SD card and external USB drives. It’ll also use 12cm high density optical discs, but can use the 12cm optical discs for Wii games.

It’ll be powered by a multi-core processor from IBM’s Power series.

The controller shown was a tablet-like device. You can switch your games from TV to the handheld, draw on it and play only on the controller, with a game of Reversi was shown as an example for the latter.

A new Zelda was seen with vastly superior graphics to Wii, with all games apparently playable on the handheld.

It was not designed to be a portable gaming machine, Iwata warned, but It can be used without the need for a TV at all.

It’s possible to play games with both the controller and the TV screen.

“Our vision of the new console will include numerous ways to play,” said Shigeru Miyamoto.

Nintendo confirms Smash Bros for WiiU, teases experiences for E3 showfloor

Nintendo president Satoru Iwata confirmed that a new Smash Bros. game is to be developed for WiiU, as well as 3DS. The two versions will work together.

WiiU software will be on display at E3 this week. “Eight different interactive experiences” will be at the show. They’re not games, but rather examples of what the system can do.

Nintendo America president Reggie Fils-Aime showed one of those experiences. It featured a bird flying and landing on a cherry tree, flying off with blossom over gardens and lakes. It dropped the flower into water before a fish leapt out to grab it.

WiiU’s formal announcement, as well as
an example of how it works.

New Super Mario Bros. Mii was confirmed as one of the experiences, as was something called Shieldpose. You have to move the controller around to stop pirates shooting arrows at you.

Another was Chase Me, which is different if you use either Wii or WiiU. A spaceship shooter was also seen.

One game was confirmed, however: Lego City Stories is being made with TT and Warner. It’s an open world thing exclusive to Wii U and 3DS.

Strong third-party support announced, Darksiders II and more coming to WiiU

Third-parties then came out to talk about the new machine. EA Sports president Peter Moore, Vicarious Visions’ Karthik Bala, THQ core boss Danny Bilson, Ubisoft CEO Yves Guilemot, Warner Interactive head Martin Tremblay, 5th Cell’s Jeremiah Slackza, Irrational’s Ken Levine, Junction Point’s Warren Spector and EA Games boss Frank Gibeau all turned up for the party in a video.

Darksiders II, Tekken, Batman Arkham City, Assassin’s Creed and Ghost Recon Online were all confirmed for the machine.

Darksiders II was shown in action on the new console, looking absolutely fantastic. Codemasters’ DiRT was also shown as was Gearbox’s Aliens: Colonial Marines. Ghost Recon, 4A’s Metro: Last Light, Tekken (character customisation and all) and Tecmo Koei’s Ninja Gaiden 3 were all demoed.

Ubisoft announced after the press conference that as well as Ghost Recon and Assassin’s Creed, it was bringing Rabbids to WiiU. A “revolutionary first person shooter for the hardcore audience” and a casual multi-sports title were also confirmed from the publisher, both of which were new IPs.

Iwata said he was pleased so many developers were on board with the console, before introducing one final guest: EA CEO John Riccitiello.

He described WiiU as a “stunning breakthrough in gameplay technology”. Madden was shown on the screen, and Battlefield was seen, as was FIFA, Need for Speed and Harry Potter.

“We’re changing games from things that you buy to a place that you go,” he said. He described the EA-Nintendo partnership as “unprecedented”.

Reggie closed out by saying that all Nintendo’s current platforms represent “innovation,” saying DS, Wii and 3DS have changed gaming, and that WiiU will do the same.

“Our presentation this morning is just the beginning,” Reggie said.

You can find one of the first impressions in the world of WiiU, provided by Keza MacDonald, along with hardware shots from LA here.

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103 Comments

  1. Space jockey pilot

    LOL the graphics are poor its not an PS3 and a 360 competitor…

    #1 3 years ago
  2. DSB

    WiiU?

    What’s the U for?

    I thought Beem was the most promising idea. This one I don’t get.

    @1 Considering the last one wiped the floor with both of those consoles, I don’t think they’re shaking right now.

    #2 3 years ago
  3. Gekidami

    Was that a slot for batteries at the back? :/

    #3 3 years ago
  4. xD3S1x

    Waste of time.

    #4 3 years ago
  5. barchetta

    Do you think they are holding anything else back? ‘Backwards compatible’ meaning it offers new (graphical/audio) capabilities too?

    #5 3 years ago
  6. Gekidami

    Wonder if they’ll actually show games. Or the console itself, even. Rather then just the pad.

    #6 3 years ago
  7. DrDamn

    There was a Wii like box under the tv in the vids

    #7 3 years ago
  8. DrDamn

    @1
    Are you eating those words now? :)

    #8 3 years ago
  9. barchetta

    Definitely interesting concept but not sure it will fly as well a the wii did originally. That didn’t ‘look’ like a game system to those with an aversion to the complexity of normal controllers….

    #9 3 years ago
  10. ManuOtaku

    #8 why? how are the graphics if i may ask? i cannot see any trailers iam at work and the internet security doesnt allow me to access T_T

    #10 3 years ago
  11. Gekidami

    Sounds like they dont actually have any real games to show. Just tech demos.

    @10
    They showed an impressive tech demo. though it reeks of exaggeration, it pretty much looked better then BF3.

    #11 3 years ago
  12. barchetta

    Is Reggie the anti-Mr. Caffeine of the UBI show?

    #12 3 years ago
  13. Hcw87

    Huge freaking letdown. But that’s nintendo for you.

    #13 3 years ago
  14. Zeydlitz

    What is this? How player supposed to use this “pad”? It’s oversized and touchscreen are to big to be used at hands (fingers are to small for screen).

    #14 3 years ago
  15. Asura

    So, Nintendo is basically saying : We wee on U

    #15 3 years ago
  16. lexph3re

    Wow, I can’t believe I’m saying that ms impressed me more then nintendo

    #16 3 years ago
  17. Bluebird

    Cafe suddenly sounds like a good name for a console. :D

    #17 3 years ago
  18. DrDamn

    @10
    There was a tech demo of bird flying over water with trees and then a fish. Clearly just a tech demo but also clearly surpasses PS3 and 360 too.

    #18 3 years ago
  19. barchetta

    Definitely some new hardware to go under the TV too surely?

    #19 3 years ago
  20. DrDamn

    @19
    On some of the early demos there was a very Wii like looking box under the tv, so yeah its not just a controller.

    #20 3 years ago
  21. Hcw87

    @18
    No it doesn’t, not even close. Releasing a console this late with exactly the same graphics as the 360/PS3 isn’t good enough. Gotta wait for the official specs to say for sure though, it may just be the beginning.

    #21 3 years ago
  22. Razor

    Seriously underwhelming.

    #22 3 years ago
  23. ManuOtaku

    Well i like the name it keeps brand recognition and like poster number 15 said we wii on you 8D,

    #23 3 years ago
  24. Gekidami

    Honestly, this just comes off as Nintendo finally making a current-gen console going off its line-up. And all that footage was from the other platforms, pretty cheap Nintendo.

    #24 3 years ago
  25. Space jockey pilot

    It might have good graphics but will it compete when ps4 and 370 comes out ?

    #25 3 years ago
  26. Erthazus

    WHAT A PILE OF HORSESHIT that console is.

    Yes i said it.
    I will not buy it even for the 100$, i will wait for some Dolphin emulator and will play Zelda on it on my PC.

    No thanks. Just a pile of hillarious white garbage.

    and the hillarious thing about it: NO GAMEZ

    #26 3 years ago
  27. Fin

    It was so ambiguous.
    Is it a new controller for Wii?
    Is it a new controller for a new console?
    It is a new controller and console in one?

    Not one mention of how it actually stacks up against 360 or PS3.

    Bullshit.

    Though to be honest, the Wii was so shit, I don’t think I can trust Nintendo making a home console again.

    #27 3 years ago
  28. Stoopid_Snot

    so is it a console or a controller?

    #28 3 years ago
  29. Aman27deep

    Fail ninty console is fail.

    http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/06/new_nintendo_controller_01.jpg

    #29 3 years ago
  30. Blerk

    They’ve called it the fucking WHAT?

    What… is it? Even?

    #30 3 years ago
  31. RyougaZell

    So in the end… the suppossed fake from some weeks ago turned out to be real after all?

    #31 3 years ago
  32. Mike

    the console itself will run in full HD, via HDMI, but the touchscreen isn’t HD. The console has internal Flash memory which can be augmented with “SD Card or USB solutions”. It will play optical disks and downloadable content, and will be backwards-compatible with Wii software.”

    #32 3 years ago
  33. Dralen

    Kotaku has images of the new console. What a stupid conference they totally made it sound like all we were getting was a new controller.

    #33 3 years ago
  34. CyberMarco

    I don’t get their point… All of the things they showed can be achieved on the Xbox360/PS3, so what’s the point in investing on a new console right now?

    The new controller is a smart addition but not that essential in my opinion.

    P.S. So this is the new console? -> http://playstationlifestyle.net/2011/06/07/nintendos-next-generation-console-revealed/

    #34 3 years ago
  35. Moonwalker1982

    Why didn’t they show the console? It’s a nice design IMO…WHY not show it? Be proud, reveal the specs, everything!!!!! It’s awesome that they go hardcore, but for me to buy it for that…i surely hope it’s MUCH stronger than 360 and PS3.

    #35 3 years ago
  36. OlderGamer

    I like it. I’ll be preordering as soon as it is avalible.

    Next Gen looks like WiiU and PC for me.

    #36 3 years ago
  37. Zeydlitz

    Well there is one wiiu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WIIU

    #37 3 years ago
  38. moargamezpleeze

    lol @ Erthazus

    I agree,was a pile of donkey d**k.

    #38 3 years ago
  39. ManuOtaku

    The console looks great, nice design, and the list of third party games is great, well i will get it only for the nintendo tittles but third party support is needed, nicely done for sure, the only thing that this console needs is to be 50% more powerfull than the 360 and ps3, if they manage to do that they will not be so left behind when the ps4 and 720 arrives, nice really nice

    #39 3 years ago
  40. Robbins

    who else was excited before the reveal, this isn’t a new console. It is a crappy Ipad knockoff

    #40 3 years ago
  41. earlyrock

    Don’t see personally anything in it. But perhaps in 2012 I might do. Then again we might hear more from a new PS or Xbox by then as well. So far this E3, Microsoft excited me about the dash and services and Sony blew me away with Vita. Thats been about it!

    #41 3 years ago
  42. RyougaZell

    the usage of the ‘Wii’ name seems like a marketing strategy to get all the casual to buy again.

    #42 3 years ago
  43. CyberMarco

    @#37 Zeydlitz. LOL hahahahha

    #43 3 years ago
  44. Blerk

    The console itself looks really cute – nice and chunky. The controller, on the other hand, looks hideous and uncomfortable. The sticks especially appear to be in completely the wrong place.

    #44 3 years ago
  45. Mike

    @40: It is a new console. It’s an full HD, brand new console.

    #45 3 years ago
  46. Patrick Garratt

    Lots of pics added.

    #46 3 years ago
  47. Peetry

    Overall it was a good conference however I won’t be rushing out and pre-ordering a Wii-U. I don’t see a reason to upgrade to a current gen console when I have two already, plus I expect to be buying a next gen in 2-3 years. That said the 3rd party support was encouraging however I just don’t get the new controller, it’s a gimmick that sounds neat but will hardly be used. Just like the Wii.

    #47 3 years ago
  48. CyberMarco

    @#46 Patrick Garratt. Maybe some console pics would be more appreciated! :p

    #48 3 years ago
  49. ManuOtaku

    #44 i think if the screen is 6.2″ and adding two inches at the sides for the sitcks , well the controlles will not be big at all IMHO, so i think it will be not that uncomfortable at all, but the design is different we need hands on with this, but the possibilities for the use of this application are great.

    #49 3 years ago
  50. Kabby

    It’s a ‘current gen and a half’ machine with a controller that does wireless display. The WiiU needs to be on as it’s piping the graphics to the remote screen.

    I don’t think the battery life on the new controller will be too stellar if you use it as they intend you to.

    I think it’s a gimmick too far.

    #50 3 years ago
  51. Mike

    They really presented it really badly. I thought it was a Wii add-on. I think most people thought it was a Wii add-on. It IS a Wii add-on. But not just a Wii add-on. It’s also the controller to a brand new console.

    #51 3 years ago
  52. KAP

    Wii U, sigh…. really.
    1. All the footage they showed from 3rd party is ALL PS3 and 360 footage
    2. PS3 and PSP can do this already.
    3. Ok maybe not aswell as WiiU
    4. Vita will be able to do what WiiU those.

    So with all that said.

    1.Sony
    2.MS
    3.Nintendo

    #52 3 years ago
  53. Nozz

    Lots of kneejerk reactions here. Looks genuinely interesting!

    #53 3 years ago
  54. Blerk

    I’m not convinced by this at all. They’ve obviously done well getting the third parties on board, but everything they’re showing is already coming to the 360 and PS3. Are they saying that those games will be better on the WiiU, or is it all just cheap ‘might as well’ support because it’s easy to port to?

    #54 3 years ago
  55. Rhythm

    Fuck, some of those pics, along with the third party support, have piqued my interest :-/

    #55 3 years ago
  56. ManuOtaku

    Wooow that zelda picture look darn pretty if you ask me where do i sign to pre order this

    #56 3 years ago
  57. sg1974

    So its a portable console you cant leave your house with?

    #57 3 years ago
  58. Blerk

    The controller is basically the DS/3DS’s second screen, isn’t it? Destined to be your menu/map/status thingy for the rest of eternity on every non-Nintendo game released.

    #58 3 years ago
  59. Mike

    All those 3rd party devs said the exact same thing about Kinect and Move and all we got was gimmicky add-ons to the core game. I hope it’ll be different here.

    I also hope the specs of the new machine dwarf PS3/360 so perhaps it’ll be lead platform in a couple of years’ time.

    Too many questions.

    #59 3 years ago
  60. Erthazus

    By the way, when i watched it i thought the same that it was just a Wii add-on.

    #60 3 years ago
  61. DSB

    Hmmmmm.

    The Wiimote was brilliant, but I’m not sure this is the way to go. Generally speaking, who would ever want to hold something the size of a paperback between their hands, when they’re supposed to be getting into the game?

    The trick should be to make the controller disappear from consciousness, not make it the main attraction.

    @54 And that’s the real question. There’s a lot of buts and ifs involved. They basically managed to win the market by betting on innovative control and ingenius branding, but providing a superior offer for developers in terms of efficiency definitely has a part to play as well.

    I’m skeptical, but based on the Wii, I’m still not willing to bet against Nintendo.

    Ultimately the graphics, power and features of your console doesn’t matter if you can’t make it appeal to everyone.

    #61 3 years ago
  62. Blerk

    And Peter Moore looks more like an alien every time they show a picture of him. :-D

    #62 3 years ago
  63. Mike

    @58, you can also play full HD games on it, instead of on the TV

    #63 3 years ago
  64. Gekidami

    …Wont nearly all of those third party games they showed have been out on PS3 & 360 for quite some time by the time Nintendo release this?

    #64 3 years ago
  65. Mike

    Well not HD, as trhe screen isn’t. But you can play console games on it while the wife watches Eastenders or whatever.

    #65 3 years ago
  66. MrBambinoDent

    Seriously Nintendo !!!!!!!!!
    This is what you’re going to defeat Sony and MS next gen consoles with ??
    It barely can compete with the old Wii .

    #66 3 years ago
  67. Mike

    @64: Good point.

    If it comes out a year after we’re all done with BF3 etc. then who fucking cares?

    #67 3 years ago
  68. DrDamn

    They did make it quite clear at one point that it was a console sending the images to the controller wirelessly.

    I’m intrigued and interested in what they can do with this. Its not the killer that motion control was but it’s got lots of real gaming possibilities. The key difference between this and what you can do with a PSP/PS3/Vita is that everyone with a WiiU will have one. That’s crucial.

    Doesn’t everyone cry out for something new and different in gaming all the time? Then when it’s done you give it a resounding meh before you’ve seen what they have planned? You get what you deserve y’know ;)

    #68 3 years ago
  69. Gekidami

    Nintendo dont even seem to be ready to show any games running on it. So yeah, at best its out winter 2012 when all of those games are pretty much ‘old news’. Seems like pointless filler to me, the fact that they showed the ‘default’ trailer stuff, running on the competitions hardware just hammers that fact home.

    #69 3 years ago
  70. ManuOtaku

    #64 the thing is we dont know if they rush it by the end of this year, or the first months of 2012, but your point is very valid

    #70 3 years ago
  71. CyberMarco

    From my point of view, this new console -Wii U- can benefit those who haven’t experienced HD gameplay on Xbox 360/PS3. Other than that, I dunno!

    #71 3 years ago
  72. ManuOtaku

    #68 +1, agree

    #72 3 years ago
  73. Nozz

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JElywbkSbY

    #73 3 years ago
  74. Robbins

    But where is the console, or am I missing something

    #74 3 years ago
  75. DSB

    @68 Worth keeping in mind that no one believed in the Wii before it was launched either.

    Nintendo weighed the options, took the risk, and won the market.

    This seems to me like the opposite of the Wii though. The Wii was easy and convenient, it was essentially a very focused package. Now you go from a small convenient controller to a big fat one that even has its own screen built into it.

    Seems like the wrong direction to me. On paper.

    #75 3 years ago
  76. Old MacDonald

    Looks quite interesting. Lots of interesting and unique possibilities here, and it seems able to do anything a PS3 or 360 can do too, so it’ll get all those multiplatform-titles that the Wii so sorely missed.

    Only problem is that it’s a current-gen console coming out towards what is most likely the end of the current gen.

    #76 3 years ago
  77. RockTwist

    @74 http://www.eurogamer.net/gallery.php?article_id=1367957

    #77 3 years ago
  78. RandomTiger

    I think this is a very clever move, price point will be crucial now.
    Will Sony and MS copy this I wonder. I would prefer the MS version of this idea.

    Also will it function as a very, very basic tablet away from the box?
    That would interest me greatly even if it just had wi-fi, an internet browser and an sd card reader for displaying photos.

    I cant believe folk are doubting Nintendo again.

    OK, the 3DS hasn’t proved itself yet, 3D may have been a miss step.
    But basically we’ve got a console that will interest the fad driven casual gamers, the games to make the Nintendo hardcore happy, and the possibility to actually play it as a traditional console for someone like myself.

    This is what the wii should have been.

    #78 3 years ago
  79. Petulant Radish

    Full backwards compatibility and increased functionality with the older Wii games is a very sensible marketing strategy as it gives reason for all the Wii households to upgrade without it seeming like a loss of investment for them.

    #79 3 years ago
  80. CyberMarco

    #78 RandomTiger. ”This is what the wii should have been.”

    I agree with you, but it’s a little (too) late!

    #80 3 years ago
  81. Robbins

    @77 thanks I was worried for a second there!

    #81 3 years ago
  82. Dimaco

    I can honestly immagine one of those things will cost A LOT. Does the WiiU come with only one of those little-iPad-things inside? So how much would people have to spend to buy a second (and third, and fourth??) controller? Like buying a REAL next generation console, or something?
    Underwhelming to say the least.

    #82 3 years ago
  83. RandomTiger

    @80 I know what you mean, this would have been much more significant 1 or 2 years ago but I still think they have a good window of opportunity. My concern is the non gaming functionality will be rushed and not well considered and simply not as slick as what Sony and MS would do. Its online services are likely to be as dire as usual.

    #83 3 years ago
  84. G1GAHURTZ

    Wow, that’s pants.

    #84 3 years ago
  85. Robbins

    http://e3.nintendo.com/hw/

    #85 3 years ago
  86. CyberMarco

    #83 RandomTiger. Sure, but as I said before, this is more usefull for whoever haven’t had the chance to experience these features on Xbox360/PS3.

    It’s a hard move because all of the things their trying to achieve are already accomplished by the competitors!

    #86 3 years ago
  87. millsy

    Would love to see the damage these can do while playing wii bowling or tennis. :D If they are going for people with Wii with small children do not know if id want a 10 year old or younger with that type of tech controllers get tossed dropped and ect a lot.

    #87 3 years ago
  88. OlderGamer

    To those saying Xbox Next and PS4 will graphicly speaking, blow the doors off of WiiU, lemme ask you how much better do you think graphics will get from where we are right now?

    Because I don’t anticipate a tremendious leap going forward. I am not even sure we will see a xb to xb360 type jump. I am almost sure we won’t. I think some key games might but most will be limited by everything from dev budgets to multisystem porting.

    I am looking for framrate smoothing. I’d love to see full screen AA(but we won’t). I’d love to see more players in our online games(but we prolly won’t see that either).

    What are you folks looking for?

    The next gen systems will be hitting close to what most would call a medium high end PC rig can do right now. It isn’t gonna be like going from a PSone to PS3 or something insane like that. Besides TVs, and again devs budgets which get reflected in retail MSRP sticker prices, and even the human eye, have limits. I really do not want next gen games to take 9 years to make and sell for 150usd.

    #88 3 years ago
  89. lexph3re

    Ps3 and vita are already doing what this system is claiming it will try and do by 2012. If they don’t release this console by early next year this will be a been there done that to the already established base. I don’t see 50million of the current 108mil ps3 and 360 owners flocking to this device. But I do see direct competition between sony and nintendo since their practically offerring the same type of content.

    I believe 360 will be working on a handheld soon to compete with nintendo and sony. Seeing how they are now implementing a cloud based service. Honestly from this e3 I heavily believe the next gen is in context towards improving current connectivity from home devices and portable. So it appears Sony actually are starting the next gen

    #89 3 years ago
  90. Zeydlitz

    Well, showed games for Wii U have a lot of strange lightning flaws, maybe shadows was not complete? Anyway, there is no soft shadow, no shadows inside shadowed area etc. Aliens: colonial marines look ugly compared with Aliens vs. Predator.

    There is no Current Gen — it’s just past gen.

    #90 3 years ago
  91. Bleak Harvest

    Um… HDMI?

    #91 3 years ago
  92. DSB

    The only thing the Wii did that the others didn’t was motion control.

    The notion that tech specs sells hardware is pretty much categorically disproven. If that was the case Sony would still be the console market leader, and everybody would be playing on the PC. Which couldn’t be further from reality.

    Horsepower isn’t going to sell a product nearly as well as a sensible price point, a well implemented system, or a good brand.

    It just makes a few nerds go “Horrrr!!!” when they hear it. That’s it. It doesn’t impress their parents, their kids, their girlfriends, or their civilian friends.

    #92 3 years ago
  93. ManuOtaku

    #92 well if we look the previous gens the most powerfull consoles didnt win, the N64 had better graphics than the PS1, the same with the XBOX did had better graphics than the ps2, and the ps3/360 have better than the wii, although mario galaxy both games looked great on wii regardless, so i think it is say something that great graphics is not all, great games alongside with nice console add-on features is the key, and i think this will be the same in the next gen, the company who gives the most innovative ideas will end up winning no matter the hardware graphics capability, therefore i agree with you.

    #93 3 years ago
  94. lexph3re

    Id have to disagree about graphics not appealing to the casual or kids. In fact, its just plain in simple brand recognition and marketing that sells consoles. When I compared wii and move to my 10 and 8 year old nephew they choose move. Ps3 to xbox they choose ps3. When I did the same for their money she followed the price. Although she was blown away by the exclusives on ps3 to wii or xbox she bout wii and xbox because of the prices.

    Its not that nintendo is more entertaining like a lot of people try to write it off as. Its because its cheap and well known. I also used my sister for the study because she is the “keeping up with the jones type”. My nephews they just want to play games.

    So, although I agree on tech specs not selling to the casual market. I don’t agree that its not something they do consider. Probably not as indepth as we view it but it is there.

    #94 3 years ago
  95. OlderGamer

    Different demographics will have different criteri when looking at a new system. I also think the day of the graphics are over. Not for everyone of course, but for the majority of the game buying public.

    And I have to tell you play a lot of EA Sports Football games. And the actual game functions they can put in there for that WiiU Controler is exciting. I would love to be able to draw up plays to use during my game. Stuff like that has me Very excited.

    #95 3 years ago
  96. DSB

    @94 If that were true, then it wouldn’t be possible for the best selling console in history to be outdone by a new brand from a manufacturer that did poorly in the last race. Clearly people made a decision based on more than just what they knew.

    Proper branding is definitely important, but Playstation doesn’t exactly have any problems there. Nintendo had a horrible brand going into this generation, everything they tried to do with the Gamecube pretty much failed.

    I think Wiis branding was genius, though, and that’s certainly contributed to their succes. As did the price point. Anyone in the world can say “Wii”, and most people will be able to afford it. The controllers were and are extremely expensive, though, which offsets the affordability.

    The defining difference between the Wii and every other console before it isn’t neccesarily that it was more fun (that’s obviously highly subjective) – it’s that it was more fun for everyone. I can literally give a controller to anyone’s 75 year old grandfather and grandmother, and they can play Wii Sports. It’s like reinventing Pong. People who can’t even work a mouse and keyboard can play the Wii, and that makes it universal.

    As I say above there are three things that sells a console before all others – Price, brand and superior systems design.

    #96 3 years ago
  97. lexph3re

    I think marketing should replace superior systems design. Because although wii motes were accessible to the majority of the population, the terrible accuracy of the controls don’t place it above standard controls. But, if you are implying that system design is towards a business model then I agree

    #97 3 years ago
  98. DSB

    @97 You’re missing the point. No one wants accurate controls. They don’t know what controls are. It’s the same reason they don’t care about hardware. Most of them probably don’t know what an HDMI cable is.

    They relate to the fact that you wave a stick and it moves around on the screen.

    You can kid yourself that everybody’s been had because you feel like your preferred console deserved it more, but the people out there playing their Wiis aren’t regretting the fact that they bought into the hype. In all likelihood they’re enjoying games that they’d never have a chance of getting into before.

    Aside from that, it doesn’t really matter how accurate you are when you’re the only show in town :)

    #98 3 years ago
  99. lexph3re

    Umm what does my “preferred console” have to do with anything? I’m sorry one second….(proof reads)….. ok you must be making things up because I looked at this from an analytical percpective instead of a “preferred” p.o.v.

    My points are made from the directions the e3 showed they were taking. And, on point with my accuracy bit I told you it was based off of the current install base of wii owners who practically don’t use their wiis anymore. So its not my own personal thoughts.

    Perhaps the person not getting the point I’m making is you?

    #99 3 years ago
  100. DSB

    @99 The notion that marketing can somehow sell a brand on its own is really just an excuse for anyone who wants something to stop selling. An advert doesn’t reprogram your entire perception of reality. Marketing creates demand, not actual value. You need an actual product to back it up once the hype dies down.

    I haven’t seen any numbers on how many people actively use their Wiis. Where did you get those? And where does it say that the accuracy (which really isn’t bad) suddenly became a problem for the users?

    To me a control system that lets everyone from your 5 year old to your 70+ grandparent play on a console qualifies as an outstanding design. Really, the fact that Microsoft and Sony both scrambled to catch up says it all.

    #100 3 years ago
  101. lexph3re

    What says the accuracy was an issue was the e3 where motion+ was introduced. That’s from nintendos mouth to our ears. And, as for the age demograpics as to why marketing is something that is a major consideration that cannot be overlooked is 5 year olds don’t buy gaming consoles the parent does. 75 year olds don’t care about current tech their children do. That marketing for old people wasn’t a message to old people that they should buy a wii it was to their children to buy them the wii. That’s called smart marketing in which I heavily believe this gen is and will end on.

    As for active users you can go on facebook and bring the topic up on 1 persons page with over 2k friends and then its just observing and calculating. A truely free and easy case study that enables participants without them even knowing.

    Although I won’t argue with the initial effect wii had grabbed and conquered in the beggining of this gen with current gen I don’t think its time at all to crown the victor. Especially with nintendos new console practically being on par with specs identical to ps3 and 360

    #101 3 years ago
  102. DSB

    A random Facebook survey? Heavy stuff. I bet you I can read tea-leaves that tells me the exact opposite.

    Really, that’s an obscene ammount of guesswork. You’re pretty much projecting your own suspicions onto the consumers of the world.

    I’m not talking about anything that requires that level of fantasy about peoples daily lives, I’m simply saying that if you open a product to everyone from 5 years of age to essentially death with a controller that’s as easy to operate as a TV remote, then you’re in a much better position, than if you want people to manipulate two analogue sticks independently of eachother, with their thumbs, in order to move things around.

    And that also happens to be the main thing that distinguishes the Wii from the competition. The Wiimote is anything but razor sharp, and Wiimotion Plus did little to nothing to really change that, but it does what it’s supposed to, and I’d still say you have an easier time playing Resident Evil 4 on the Wii than you ever did on the PS2.

    It’s really not rocket science, and you don’t need to have intimate knowledge of peoples personal lives, or do wild and crazy Facebook research. It’s probability and common sense.

    #102 3 years ago
  103. lexph3re

    You know what dsb I just wrote practically a page long rebuttle to you and in the midst of it I realized. I just don’t care I will leave you to your assumptions

    #103 3 years ago

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