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Anonymous declares vengeance on Sony

Monday, 4th April 2011 03:31 GMT By Brenna Hillier

The activist arm of Internet hive mind Anonymous has targeted Sony, apparently in retribution for the company’s legal pursuit of PlayStation 3 hackers GeoHot and Graf_Chokolo.

“Congratulations, Sony,” a spokesperson for the anarchic collective wrote on its site over the weekend. “You have now received the undivided attention of Anonymous.

“Your recent legal action against our fellow hackers, GeoHot and Graf_Chokolo, has not only alarmed us, it has been deemed wholly unforgivable.”

The post goes on to accuse Sony of using the courts to “censor” information on its product; ‘victimising’ users for their knowledge; and privacy violations.

Venture Beat reports the movement against Sony is a continuation of Operation Payback, which targeted companies perceived as betraying WikiLeaks after the leaking of US Government documents triggered massive media attention.

No major DDOS attacks, one of Anonymous’s usual tools, have been reported as yet.

Sony is suing George “GeoHot” Hotz among a number of other hackers for the publication of the PS3 root key by GeoHot, and subsequent proliferation of piracy-enabling custom firmware. The most recent report from the ongoing court case sees Hotz denying Sony’s claims that he lied about having a PlayStation Network account.

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  1. xino

    this should be interesting!

    i wonder what they would do to Sony.

    i can’t believe Sony would go that far with that lying statement O_o

    #1 4 years ago
  2. Hybridpsycho

    I normally always support anything Anonymous does, but really?

    Fucking stupid. “Let’s promote piracy so we won’t get any other games than Modern Warfare 23245 in the upcoming years.”

    #2 4 years ago
  3. HauntaVirus

    uh, really? Get a life.

    #3 4 years ago
  4. earlyrock

    ^

    #4 4 years ago
  5. Ireland Michael

    Jesus Christ. Why is anyone even attention to Anonymous? They’re a bunch of sad, belligerent trolls under the delusions that they’re actually somehow relevant.

    Newsflash Anonymous… NOBODY CARES!

    #5 4 years ago
  6. onlineatron

    Company that owns something gets annoyed when people try to exploit that something.

    LETS GET ANGER!

    #6 4 years ago
  7. tmac2011

    this is stupid, who wants to help geo hot, only someone who cant play video games

    #7 4 years ago
  8. Christopher Jack

    Just nerds with too much free time, get a job & get a girlfriend! Your computer can already do what you’re hacking your PS3 to do so what the fuck is the point?

    #8 4 years ago
  9. The1stMJC

    Do these people realize there are millions of customers that enjoy their PS3 and by attacking it that just fucks over honest folks.

    So they will probably try and hurt PSN to defend GeoHotz and than fun is over for the average consumers.

    #9 4 years ago
  10. Christopher Jack

    @9, Exactly, if GeoHot left it alone in the first place, we would still have Other OS option, but some people just can’t leave well enough alone.

    #10 4 years ago
  11. Kaufer

    meh

    All this means is that noones publicly being cruel to cats recently and thats a good thing.

    #11 4 years ago
  12. KrazyKraut

    like some ppl said
    Anonymous = arrogant and full of idotical rage.

    its sonys and the two idiots war, not yours anonymous.

    #12 4 years ago
  13. Gekidami

    @2
    Really? What like this;
    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7283797.html
    Or this:
    http://www.wired.com/politics/security/news/2008/03/epilepsy

    For every one “good” action Anonymous does, theres about 100 douchebag ones.

    #13 4 years ago
  14. Christopher Jack

    A guy got arrested here in Aus for posting child pornography on a local Facebook memorial page, fucking twat deserves it, if he can’t respect anybody why should anybody respect him?

    #14 4 years ago
  15. Dannybuoy

    “Internet hive mind”, that just about sums it up. A hive is run from the top by 1 queen. The drones all stay sedated by her so that they are completely in her control. They do everything for her and all work for hive in an automated way. If the queen decides to attack a wasp nest then they deserve to be attacked back and face some pretty nasty stings in the process. Let’s not forget, bees can only sting once and when they do they rip their guts out. Wasps can sting multiple times… Watch out little hacking bees!

    #15 4 years ago
  16. Ireland Michael

    They must have gotten bored of protesting against Scientology.

    #16 4 years ago
  17. neon6

    @3&4
    You guys are defending pirates. If buying games at full price is too much for whatever low paying job you have, you need to get a new hobby and stop ruining it for everyone else. Unless you can come up with some reasons on how DDOS attacks on Sony are going to help the gaming industry, because I would love to hear them.

    #17 4 years ago
  18. TheWulf

    @5

    The problem here? You’re wrong. I’m not saying that to insult you or to be nasty, but simply that you’re objectively wrong. Anonymous, for all their bluster, bravado, and public bouts of grandstanding and buffoonery are actually staffed by some pretty skilled hackers.

    You seem to think that they’re toothless and harmless – this is the sentiment presented in your post, but that’s simply not correct. I’m not saying this to support them, because I don’t, I think they’re a bunch of rather inconsiderate black hats. I’m saying this because I recognise their talent and I’m well aware of how they could misuse it.

    I tell you that they do have teeth and they’ve used them to bite, and even bring ruination to companies before, and not even with simple DDOS attacks, either. If you think that these are a group of harmless script kiddies then you haven’t been paying attention. I suggest you read up on what they’ve actually accomplished. They’re a very dangerous group.

    More’s the pity, really, as I’d rather see Sony fall over under the weight of their own idiocy (I see them teetering and losing their balance all the time), because they might actually LEARN something from that, but they won’t learn anything if their defeat is at the hands of other people.

    Thus far, I’ve said that the only people who’ve hurt Sony are Sony, and that’s been completely true. Every single wound thus far is self inflicted and I take joy in that, because they’re going to look back on this eventually and realise what bloody fools they’ve been. Hopefully before it’s too late for such corporate introspection. But if other groups start hurting Sony, this stops being true.

    So I can’t support anonymous helping to ruin Sony. They can and WILL do huge amounts of damage if they really set their minds to it, and this won’t even relate to simply DDOS attacks, as I’ve already pointed out, but in the end it’s only going to be bad for Anonymous. They’re using their talents wrongly, here.

    The only way Sony is going to see any sense is if they’re their own undoing. So Anonymous, if you’re listening? Rethink this. But everyone… don’t think that this is a toothless tiger after Sony. It is not.

    #18 4 years ago
  19. TheWulf

    @8

    The intrigue of a hacker, which is something that you can’t hope to understand, in the same way that a layman can’t hope to understand why someone would create a beautiful mural, or take apart a deadly virus.

    “What the fuck is the point?” It’s a learning experience, it’s an interesting and valuable one, you pick up a lot, and it’s fun to do. It’s a safe way to experiment with technology, and the PS3 can double up as a good, cheapo server.

    Basically, yes… nerds are responsible, brainiacs, and in some cases bloody engineering geniuses. So an attitude like that smacks of jealousy, because we might as well ask why anyone else bothers to do anything else other than having 2.5 kids and an everyday job, eh?

    #19 4 years ago
  20. TheWulf

    @10

    The reason Sony took away Other OS is because they thought it was costing them too much to maintain, it was purely a financial decision, so please check your facts before spreading misinformation, because the only person that looks bad for is you.

    I really can’t understand the entirely incorrect vitriol surrounding this, I honestly can’t. It’s the endless chorus of angry, self-entitled, clueless, jealous luddites. :/ Yes, that is meant to be an insult, but more of a slap to the face, one that will hopefully wake a few people up.

    And before you ask – why self-entitled? You’d deny someone doing what they want to do with a machine you bought just because you illogically believe it’s going to inconvenience you in some way.

    #20 4 years ago
  21. Christopher Jack

    @19, I understand it, my point is that the end result has no positive outcome other than bragging rights. Hackers like GeoHot are incredible egomaniacs, regardless of how smart these geniuses are, some of them sure lack some common sense. I think Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory would be a classic stereotype of the kind of guys I’m talking about & GeoHot fits right in there with him.

    #21 4 years ago
  22. TheWulf

    Geez, I’ve lost faith in VG247 entirely. The senseless vitriol is getting me down, to the point where all that I think people understand is insults, so I must fight fire with fire.

    Honestly, you should look at all the facts in something before you start randomly attacking all and sundry. That you don’t understand something is NOT a valid excuse to be angry at anyone, it never was, and before you put your foot in your mouth, you should actually try to be a little more empathic and actually figure out why people do the things they do. I mean, honestly, a thread of people saying that no one should ever engage in an adventurous, ambitious, eccentric endeavour, that we should all be normal, boring, and never try anything out of the ordinary?

    Really?

    You’re boring and you want everyone else to be boring? You don’t want anyone to probe the mysteries all around us? You don’t want people to be curious? How the hell is progression supposed to happen if we don’t even allow people to do the things that need to done in order to allow for progression? These arguments I hear sound like the Bush argument against experimentation involving stem cells, because we have to protect the ‘little snowflakes.’

    That’s really what you sound like when you don’t have a clue, but you’re going to rant angrily anyway. Is that really all any of you want to be? Haven’t any of you ever done anything out of the ordinary, a bit crazy, or wanted to? Haven’t you ever even had a hobby where you’ve tried to learn something new, even if it isn’t relevant and practical to life as you know it? Aren’t you curious about anything? Haven’t you ever done anything brilliant or artistic?

    If you consider these things, there is a certain hypocrisy in hating on hackers for doing the same damn thing. If you’re really that boring, then fine, but at least don’t attack hackers for things you don’t understand. You don’t actually get what they’re doing, what GeoHotz did, or how it will effect you. It’s clear that the majority of you don’t understand that. That’s fine. But if you’re going to rant, at least make sure that you’re ranting for the right reasons, instead of reasons that were spoonfed to you.

    Honestly, I expect better of all of you. I think you can be better than this. Hackers are people too, bloody ingenius, clever people. And there were ALWAYS hackers. There are hackers behind a great many of the technological evolutionary iterations and revolutions that we enjoy the outcome of today. There were hackers throughout history causing the progression that resulted in the console that sits under your telly.

    Keep that in mind the next time you decide you want to slam a hacker.

    #22 4 years ago
  23. Christopher Jack

    @20, That’s an accusation with no merit behind it, it would explain why they removed it from the Slim model to save production costs, but not why Sony removed it from previous models, how could it cost them money to maintain any way? If you can prove exactly why Sony removed Other OS, I will cease my accusation against GeoHot.

    On January 26, 2010, Hotz released the exploit to the public. It was done on the Original Firmware 3.15 or OFW, then using his codes he made it into a 3.15 CFW, or Custom Firmware. It requires the OtherOS function of the machine, and consists of a Linux kernel module and gaining control of the machine’s hypervisor via bus glitching. Hotz wrote that “Sony may have difficulty patching the exploit”. On March 28, 2010, Sony had responded by announcing their intention to release a PlayStation 3 firmware update that removes the OtherOS feature

    The Other OS case against Sony keeps claiming that people couldn’t use homebrew through the Other OS but the fact is they’re unfortunately wrong.

    #23 4 years ago
  24. Christopher Jack

    @22, You’re quite the self righteous guy aren’t you? Of course people are allowed to be curious & explore things & that’s fine & all but you do all of this at your own risk. I mean when you’re a kid, you’re interested in what people are made out of, but you know better than to just cut open a guy & explore for yourself-I know that’s a radical example, but you get my point.

    Side note; We know hackers aren’t necessarily bad guys, look at any freeware Linux OS, & look at modders, many developers support them but they understandably get angry if they leak information regarding important software, even everybody’s favourite developer Valve, have sued hackers because of this, same situation has happened to Sony buy on a much grander scale.

    #24 4 years ago
  25. Lahanas

    Dont these morons have anything better to do? I hope Sony crushes them.

    #25 4 years ago
  26. mojo

    +100 to TheWulf.

    one reasonable mind in an otherwise utterly unreasonable atmosphere.

    #26 4 years ago
  27. Freek

    Machines should be in service of the people who buy them, not the other way round.
    Hackers restore that balance. Look at the millions of people who benifit from having the choice to instal and customize their jail broken iPhones.

    Big corporations prefer if you don’t do that and see no other recourse then legal action but that doesn’t make them morally right.

    You can use the knowledge gained by hacking machines for legitimate gains. Such as homebrew software and custom settings (XBMC for Xbox for example) or you can choose to use that knowledge to break the law and pirate games.
    But that’s on you, you make that choice not that hacker community.

    #27 4 years ago
  28. Christopher Jack

    @27, Yet another person who just doesn’t get it. It’s easier for a company to just target the source of piracy rather than the thousands (sometimes even millions) who pirate, so that’s why Sony went to such measures to prevent that in the first place, they even gave us Linux so we wouldn’t have any reason to use homebrew because it could already do it all.

    #28 4 years ago
  29. Freek

    Easier? Yes. Morally correct? No. Legally correct? Questionable. Jailbreaking your iPhone for example is perfectly legal, provided you don’t pirate software. And since neither GeoHot nor FailOverflow created software to directly* pirate games that same precedent should aply to the PS3.

    And homewbrew goes far beyond Linux, it means creating software that runs nativly on the PS3.

    *a small but vitally imporatant detail: you can use the key to make such software but they never did.

    #29 4 years ago
  30. SplatteredHouse

    eh. How many minutes do people like this get?

    They’re responsible for this. The community reaction could have prevented any legal action, any interest from Sony, but they chose to publicise and make available to others – for what LEGITIMATE end? To now, try to seek defense behind some claim of education, interest in the code, the inner technology, no malicious intent, huh!

    But, how silly of me…They’re being restricted, they’re bound by the harsh treatment of a company who is in the business of making, presenting and promoting software that entertains many millions of people.
    ALL these people who set out to disrupt should be viewed as opposed to gaming, before anything else: because they’re setting out to interrupt, impede and generally way-lay one of the key companies responsible for building it! For no good reason.

    #30 4 years ago
  31. SplatteredHouse

    “How the hell is progression supposed to happen if we don’t even allow people to do the things that need to done in order to allow for progression?”

    I have a lot of time for this point of view. Unfortunately, I’d far prefer gaming’s resources, the time of the companies, the people involved in their creation to be spent in that pursuit, than tied up handling the BS that was wrongly inflicted on them. I maintain, that had the hackers circulated and accumulated their discoveries, their know-how amongst their community, taken a more responsible approach, this situation not have occured.

    Sony, heck any company when faced with a situation like this cannot back down. Simply put, it’d indicate a water-shed moment. The flood-gates would open, as evidenced by the current situation, that some corners are calling open-season in retaliation – against what? That’s why Geohotz and his ilk are finding themselves in legal hot water. As much as I appreciate and feel we should value enthusiasm, drive curiosity and creativity, there are also negatives to that way – unruly, unchecked extroversion, that’s what brought them to this place.

    Companies announce things when they have things to announce. These people, the hackers, sought to shout and laud their triumph, put their names about, and achieve nothing in so doing. They broke an underlying codebase, in the process alerting the maker of the console to the hole during their gleeful abandon (within a day, it was widely known the root of the problem) which Sony work to patch and prevent anarchy from breaking out, as publishers can’t trust that their content, their IP would be protected, and work paid for for the amount of “authorised” knockoffs that could engulf the service. It would promote a drop in releases on that platform, such a loophole left open and EXPLOITED could lead to unsatisfied players who go elsewhere.

    It’s quite telling, and great for competitivity and PROGRESSION/innovation that we currently have much more of a three horse console race, than before. Three viable, supported platforms. Now is not the time for an anathema shot to the growth spurt in one of the few industries currently performing strong despite the global business outlook.

    #31 4 years ago
  32. Kerplunk

    @20 It is hard to believe that you’re genuinely in a position to speak for a multinational corporation’s motives and state the reason why they took a certain action whilst dismissing all other possibilities.

    @22 And in your prose here, you’re romanticising the pursuit and, again, motives of hackers. You appear to be positioning yourself as a spokesperson for a very broad group of people.

    Hacking or ‘to hack’ in itself is neither good or bad. It’s a means to an end. What you hope to achieve with that means is what determines good/bad/moral/ethical/lawful.

    I can take a hammer and build a wall. Or I can throw it through someone’s window. The hammer isn’t at fault, it’s the way I applied my hammer-using abilities that makes the difference.

    So, no, I don’t agree with much of what you say. Partly because of how you’re presenting your view and partly because (some) hackers give themselves licence to things that aren’t rightfully theirs and, instead of being adult and civil, act like some sort of digital terrorists issuing ultimatums based on ideals rather than practicality and carrying out threats that cause harm to innocents. Ultimately, this benefits nobody and if such hackers truly cared for whichever crusade they’ve hopped on the bandwagon of, they would consider the impact of their actions beyond their own grandstanding and pursuit of notoriety.

    I want to make it clear that I’m not dismissing ‘hacking’ outright. But hacking isn’t this ‘progression’ that you’re selling. Not wholesale. And a very general label does not, in this case, apply to a very specific example. The motives on display on the part of the hackers that have spoken out here are vindictiveness, spite, immaturity and pride. These people are clearly very smart and very capable, but they’re applying themselves in a singularly destructive manner.

    The tl;dr version of all of this is: two (or more) wrongs don’t make a right.

    #32 4 years ago
  33. Hybridpsycho

    @13

    First of all I said normally, and you’re not even sure it’s actually anonymous. The stupid thing with their fucked-up group is that it’s really freaking hard to know when it’s actually them. They normally go out and announce it to alot of people.

    But yeah, fuck this :/

    #33 4 years ago
  34. Mike

    @22: Fantastic post.

    The VG247 “community” is N4G mkII, unfortunately. There are some intelligent, well-informed posters here, but the sound-to-noise ratio is well in favour of the retards.

    But then again, it’s like that on every site, really.

    #34 4 years ago
  35. Freek

    It’s more then just interest in code, it’s actual practical aplication that pushes the machine beyond what the manufacturer intended. You can see those aplications in action right now with the iPhone and Kinect. Amature coders are comming up with all sorts of interesting bits of software, themes and hacks.
    These things aren’t anti Apple or anti MS or anti gaming.
    Quite the oposite infact; MS is even going so far as to release an SDK for Kinect, but only after amatures started hacking together modifications.

    With the PS3 you could see those kinds of emering via Other OS, like the budget super computer. Having the machine be even more open would expand on those capabilities.
    For the home consumer it could have meant expanded multi media capabilties. Right now the PS3 doesn’t really support those features verry well, limited file support and a messy interface. But let a few interest programmers loose on the thing and we could have another cool bitt of software like XBMC.

    #35 4 years ago
  36. Gama_888

    well this is getting out of hand.
    is it just me or is everyone on VG246 infected with some sort of t-virus?

    anyhoo, guess ill throw my 2 cents on the pile :)
    Sony removed OtherOs to stop hackers running custom firmware and pirating. How do they make any financial gain this?
    Did it cost them anything to be able to run linux on their ps3′s?

    There not going to bring it back and i agree with their decision to do so, and i was one of the users of OtherOs, but if someone is using it to hack the system and pirate games then yes, it should be removed.

    These stupid cunt hackers ruined it for the rest of us people who were legitimately using OtherOs. So how the the fuck can THEY complain it got taken away when they are the reason it was done so.

    And to any cunt who is saying “ohh we just want to homebrew our consoles, not pirate games”
    SHUT.THE.FUCK.UP.
    Im Positive that at least 90% of people that did the hack were pirating. Hell you only have to go to Anonymous’s website to see examples of how they are doing it to

    #36 4 years ago
  37. SplatteredHouse

    Do you believe the vast majority of home consumers are disattisfied with their PS3, as it is now. See, here’s the thing with your “interest programmers”. They’re not all signed up to a charter, they are not necessarily united in their goals.

    So, WHICH interest programmer would we end up getting, if they were let loose on the console’s internal workings and invited to work freely on enabling whichever “improvements” they wanted. Who’d answer that call: an arsonist, or, an architect?

    #37 4 years ago
  38. Christopher Jack

    Hope I don’t run into any of these cyber terrorists.

    #38 4 years ago
  39. ManuOtaku

    I dont know who this guys are, i will google it nevertheless, but i tell you karma in this life trully exist, and even if Anonymous do bad things in previous cases, i think that whatever they do to sony is well deserved, they are too many consumers damaged by sony actions that were not compensated by the took of Other S, and also they were been lied about it, because sony stated that was for piracy reasons and not for money issues, like is been stated in the past days, karma is a bitch but if you do something wrong in this life you eventually are going to paid for it in this life, the sad thing is that the consumers that were damaged are not the ones getting retribution, but i think they will enjoy it nontheless.

    #39 4 years ago
  40. Rosseu

    I love vg247, I get to read good and bad arguments that helps me with my english. I love you guys :’)

    #40 4 years ago
  41. ManuOtaku

    #40 for some of us english is not our first language, therefore sorry for any gramatical misscues.

    #41 4 years ago
  42. ManuOtaku

    Well i did google this guys, and let me tell you i kind of like them when they said things like this “Anonymous is supporting wikileaks, not because we agree or disagree with the information that has been reveal in this site, instead because we disagree with any kind of censorship on the internet, if we let wikileaks fall without a fight , then the goverments will think they can take out any site they want or one that doesnt agree with them”

    P.D: Thats my kind of moto

    #42 4 years ago
  43. Christopher Jack

    @42, They troll R.I.P sites with child/gay/fetish pornography, pretend to be the person who’s died, say the most disrespectful shit possible & this is only the tip of the iceberg of what countless of their members do.
    They originally started as a group of cyber protesters against ‘The Man’ but they’ve become much, much worst than the guys they attack & while some of them are talented & smart guys they are absolutely ignorant of any common sense & are borderline sociopaths.
    Now that these guys are angry at Sony, expect us consumers to suffer, I really hope the more radical members eventually get arrested & pay for their crimes.

    #43 4 years ago
  44. jnms

    @TheWulf, that’s the best thing I have read on VG247 for ages! I’m glad someone has finanally said it! Thank you! :)

    #44 4 years ago
  45. OrbitMonkey

    Let me condense The_Wulfs posts for those who can’t stand wall of txt: Hackers are kewl, Sony is teh shit. Your ignorant if you disagree.

    Now Christopher Jack: Sony are kewl, hackers are teh shit, your ignorant if you disagree.

    #45 4 years ago
  46. absolutezero

    You just proved both of their points by being a fucking retard.

    Good job tex!

    #46 4 years ago
  47. Christopher Jack

    I’m not against hackers, that’s stupid to even accuse me of such.

    I like hackers that develop or mod software in an unquestionably legal manner that has zero chance of affecting those who like to use the software as initially intended.

    But I won’t forget the other hackers that create viruses, commit fraud, steal/pirate, attack or alter online servers among countless other illegal activities.

    My point is, I don’t stereotype a group of people under the one umbrella.

    #47 4 years ago
  48. OlderGamer

    “I can take a hammer and build a wall. Or I can throw it through someone’s window. The hammer isn’t at fault, it’s the way I applied my hammer-using abilities that makes the difference.”

    I agree Kerplunk, but your overlooking that the hackers are often the ones giving us the Hammers to begin with.

    Once again Wulf, steller post.

    #48 4 years ago
  49. BrordonFreeman

    No one from anonymous declared any vengance.

    It’s just 2 fat neckbeards living in their mommy’s basement being buttmad about geohot getting sued.

    #49 4 years ago
  50. DSB

    I think the real point in all of this is that some people respect extremes, and others are repulsed by it.

    Anonymous are irrational, but clearly very passionate people who are completely willing to take their obsessions to the furthest extent. Much like an anarchist who manages to contradict himself five times in a short conversation, but still believes in himself enough to go into a violent battle outmatched by police on the streets.

    I respect the resolution and force of will in those kinds of groups, but ultimately they never really apply that fire to anything truly worthwhile (constructive, permanent influence). Trying to bully international corporations by anonymously sabotaging them reeks of desperation and helplessness, but at the same time I’m glad they’ve taken the lead against scientology.

    I admire the real life protests they’re responsible for a lot more than their cyber sabotage, though. I think it says a lot more to show up in person to take a stand, than it does to simply throw words (or code) into the internet.

    #50 4 years ago
  51. ManuOtaku

    #48 +2 i think wulf posts were great too, and i thougth Kerplunk Was talking about red faction guerilla 8D, that hammer can take a building and walls with my hammer-using abilities

    #51 4 years ago
  52. Ireland Michael

    TheWulf: I couldn’t give a damn whose “employed” in Anonymous.

    It isn’t a singular entity. There’s no leader. It’s just random bored people too spineless to deal with stuff like those of us in the real world do… using our faces.

    They constantly parade themselves as some sort of champions of justice, but they fail to understand that nobody in the real world actually gives a flying fuck about a faceless entity behind a computer.

    They “protested” against Scientology for the greater part of ten minutes, before the Scientologists found out who half of them were and threatened their families, at which point they all ran away home like little pansies and suddenly forgot about their crusade.

    Even Wikileaks couldn’t be bothered to acknowledge their existence. It was fucking hilarious watching them trying to get involved in that one. So much desperation to be acknowledged, they’re clasping onto every tiny little thing they can.

    They think they’re the modern day equivalent of the hippies or the punks, thinking they can change something. I’ve seen the kind of over romantised bullshit some of them write. Waxing lyrical about acceptance, finally being part of a cause, blah blah blah.

    90% of them *are* just sad lonely kids desperate for attention or the need to feel relevant in a world that won’t pay attention to them. There is no difference between Anonymous and street gangs.

    Well, Anonymous, come back to me when you actually help stem the tides of socks reform and change things for the better. Here’s a tip… get off the fucking computer first.

    For the record, I have absolutely no problems with hackers. It’s solely Anonymous that I think are a bunch of retards.

    #52 4 years ago
  53. Christopher Jack

    @Ireland Michael, Completely agreed.

    #53 4 years ago
  54. viralshag

    Wulf, Kerplunk AND Ireland Michael (included in edit) have good and written posts and that is always nice to see.

    It does seem that there are people willing to defend hackers as they see them in some kind of noble pursuit of knowledge. Which is fair enough if they use that power responsibly. Some of them don’t though, so just like most things in life, there are valid reasons to be for and against hackers and what they do.

    Of course, I’m basing all this purely on my own experience of hacking… Thanks Uplink! :D

    #54 4 years ago
  55. YoungZer0

    @52: Well said, Michael, well said.

    #55 4 years ago
  56. OrbitMonkey

    Hmm apologies I guess, my hatred of wall of txt affected my judgement. What I meant to say was TheWulfs post was a load of romanticised bull, hiding a deep well of bile towards Sony. The only note worthy aspect of it was the remarkable lack of spelling mistakes from someone who types one handed, whilst whacking off to their own opiniated, self rightous diatribes.
    @ Christopher Jack, sorry for the dig mate, agree with your points tbh ;)

    #56 4 years ago
  57. ManuOtaku

    #52, “It isn’t a singular entity. There’s no leader. It’s just random bored people too spineless to deal with stuff like those of us in the real world do… using our faces”.

    When the people that pulls the strings in the world from corporations to goverments, to military etc,use also their faces in the public, which they dont, then we can ask for anonymous to use their real faces, is easy to ask when the people behind the curtain also hide their faces quite well in order to avoid backlash.

    And for the rest of your comment i will quote Howard Zinn

    “And to look at history and understand that when change takes place it takes place as a result of large, large numbers of people doing little things unbeknownst to one another. And if we do act, in however small a way, we don’t have to wait for some grand utopian future”.

    So i think they are doing their small things, that maybe are wrong or right,thats arguable and will depend of the various point of views, i believe in the end thats only for god to decide, but at least they are trying in the way they can in order to get some of this people that do also very wrong things in the world.

    #57 4 years ago
  58. DSB

    Don’t ever change, OrbitMonkey.

    I don’t care if I agree with the post or not, but it’s always hilarious and straight to the point :P

    @ManuOtaku Politicians are public figures, executives are public figures. Their deeper connections might take a bit of investigation, but both the open market and the democratic system requires a level of transparency from those who operate in it. Your own inadequacy to hold either accountable doesn’t make them invisible. They’re right there for you to approach or challenge if you choose. Don’t kid yourself on that one.

    #58 4 years ago
  59. ManuOtaku

    #58, i mean those behind the public faces, the ones neither you, i and the public knows anything about.

    #59 4 years ago
  60. DSB

    Oh, so you’re a conspiracy nut? Are we talking humanoid space lizards, or zionist occupied government here?

    #60 4 years ago
  61. Ireland Michael

    @59 Like who? The Illuminati? The New World Order?

    Hahahaha!

    Please… I really don’t want to have to give out more tinfoil hats to people…

    #61 4 years ago
  62. ManuOtaku

    Well if believing that we are not the only kind of life in the universe, or multiple universes for that matter, and that the governments had people behind close doors that decide, pretty much the way we live in order to maintain control, the way they want it, makes me a conspiracy nut, well i guess iam one of them.

    #62 4 years ago
  63. OrbitMonkey

    @59 That is slightly paranoid guy. To be honest the best activists are the ones who ARE visible, who fight their corner balls out for all to see. Do you think Ghandi would have been so effective if he’d run around with a mask, writing anti-english graffiti on walls?

    #63 4 years ago
  64. ManuOtaku

    #61, i dont know who they are, maybe the ones that killed kennedy, Lincoln, or… who iam kidding it was oswalt and the mafia…right…..

    #64 4 years ago
  65. OrbitMonkey

    @64 So it was the Illuminati who removed the other os from the ps3? Mother fucker!

    #65 4 years ago
  66. ManuOtaku

    #65 You can call them the illumati, they were illuminated by the money, so that fits them right

    #66 4 years ago
  67. DSB

    Kinda reminds me of another recent conversation in which people propose that no proof equals absolute proof.

    To use that evergreen example, there’s more proof that Oswald was a communist weirdo who acted alone, than there is of any other theory. It’s not as exciting as Kennedy being taken out by templars, but I really don’t need that kind of excitement in my life.

    That’s not to say that Kennedy wasn’t an irrational president that was seen as a liability by many around him, but that does not equal proof of murder.

    I think the worst bluff that you can fall victim to is the notion that you know something without the slightest shred of substance to back it up. Circumstancial evidence needs to be remarkably strong, plentiful and consistent.

    #67 4 years ago
  68. I Am A Troll

    @34 The VG247 “community” is N4G mkII, unfortunately.

    Well said, brother Mike.

    #68 4 years ago
  69. ManuOtaku

    #67 i guess you are right, but they are facts that are strange, like why they clean the car of the president so quickly without taking any evidence, even for that time it seems quite odd, also the miracle bullet that doesnt explain the one shooter theory, and we can keep all day, the fact of the matter is that till this day we dont know what really happened, and thats the key issue. why it is still unknow?

    #69 4 years ago
  70. DSB

    @69 Certainly, it’s open for conspiracy theories. I think the assassination of Bobby Kennedy is a lot worse, since there was actually solid evidence that the police reports were inaccurate.

    It’s just a big leap to jump from inconsistencies to a conclusion that someone was deliberately murdered by shadowmen, though.

    Worth investigating though, for sure.

    The thing that tickles me is that if you look at the attempted assassinations of powerful leaders through the ages, and in particular American presidents, from Reagan and Ford (twice) through McKinley to Lincoln, I think the “certifiable madman” to “political assailaint” ratio is something like 95% to 5%. Rational people generally don’t kill over disagreements with someone.

    #70 4 years ago
  71. absolutezero

    So I asked Anonymous (there all the same you know, not like theres different groups of them or anything like that) and they said no.

    Don’t bother them about it though.

    #71 4 years ago
  72. Legendary

    Excuse me but, no this is bullshit. The large majority of Anons, especially on /v/, agree that Sony is doing the right thing and that Geohot is a bitch. It’s just that simple, and even if Sony was in the wrong by trying to protect their assets, it still wouldn’t be worth retaliation.

    People seem to forget that Anonymous is a large unorganized group of people, raids and large scale stuff usually comes from most of these random people agreeing it’s necessary. This is not the case here, this is a vocal minority that will probably download loic and try something with only a handful of people.

    #72 4 years ago
  73. ManuOtaku

    #70 i agree, and i think it needs to be investigated, alongside with the other ones you mentioned, but thats the thing if you dont properly investigate and give a reasonable closure based on the facts recollected during the investigation, leaves a lot of room for conspiracy theories, and with reason, because when you shadow an investigation, it is because theres something to hide, and in this particular cases involving a president of a nation, maybe gives you some hint that people with a lot of power are involve on this because of the so many levels involve, police, National security, Personal guards, etc.
    Also i did put this an example because i wanna stated the maybe are shadow hands involve in a lot of things that happen in our life

    #73 4 years ago
  74. ManuOtaku

    #72 sony had the right to protect their assests, but without damaging the consumers, that is why it was wrong, of course it was the easiest, the cheapest and quickiest solutions, but the consumers were not compensated by this, the total cost of the product included the other s application, therefore when they removed they should paid the difference plain an simple, and all the damages done, that is why so many consumers are happy with this kind of retaliation, and is easy to see why.
    Also remember that sony stated that was for money issues, so alongside with damaging the consumers, they also lied to them, not nice consumer treatment if you ask me.

    #74 4 years ago
  75. YoungZer0

    Lets just see what Anon has achieved in the past.

    Oh right … nothing.

    #75 4 years ago
  76. Gekidami

    @74
    I love how you’re keeping your fingers deeply entrenched in your ears in regards to why Sony removed Other OS. Sony took it out of the Slim model to save money, (it was never an advertised feature in the Slim models) but took it out of the ‘phat’ ones because GeoHot found a way to exploit it.
    I know you know this already, but you’re just purposely ignoring it to push your point. You are, to put in nicely; Dishonest.

    Sony removing Other OS from the old PS3′s wouldnt save them any money, if anything, releasing the update costed them.

    #76 4 years ago
  77. ManuOtaku

    #76 if it was for picacy reasons or hacking reasons, why they put it in it in the first place?, thats even more unaceptable because this device had green light on all sony departments even his investors, so again the easiest, cheapest and quickest solution was damaging the consumers. so Wrong

    #77 4 years ago
  78. G1GAHURTZ

    Sony is doomed now!

    #78 4 years ago
  79. YoungZer0

    @77: Because Sony was naive enough to think people wouldn’t exploit it.

    #79 4 years ago
  80. Gekidami

    @77
    They put it in there in the first place because they cant see the future. It wasnt a security threat went they released it, just like it wasnt for the first 3 years.

    The rest of your post literally makes no sense, you speak gibberish then claim yourself right. You are not, however.

    #80 4 years ago
  81. Ireland Michael

    Well, at least the tinfoil hat business won’t be dying out any time soon.

    #81 4 years ago
  82. ManuOtaku

    #79 this kind of tool on other devices lead to exploitation, so i dont think sony didnt saw that coming, it is very hard to believe that sony was naive, and even if that was the case, do it other way, not the easiest and cheapest in order to avoid damaging the consumers.

    #82 4 years ago
  83. ManuOtaku

    #80 i didnt said i was right, i said what sony did was wrong, and on a consumer level, it was plain and simple

    #83 4 years ago
  84. YoungZer0

    @82: So you’re saying they wanted people to exploit it so they can sue broke hackers to earn more money?

    You alway talk about damaging the consumers, but so far the real damage is being done by the hackers.

    #84 4 years ago
  85. ManuOtaku

    #84 Yes is true, what GeoHotz did was wrong, just as wrong as sonys actions with the consumers, the problem is that many consumers are supporting him to get even with sony, and what i said is that i understand them, even if both parts are wrong, the one that threw the first stone was sony for putting it and then tack it back without any compensation.

    As for the true reasons i dont know, only god and them knows, but maybe they didnt calculate well enough, poor development cycle perhaps

    #85 4 years ago
  86. lexph3re

    Its pretty sad to see this many people hating sony. Its even more saddening to see peoplesupporting the “uprising”. Even with all the bs that I feel Ms and nin pulls I still never thought anyone was right for hacking their systems. It is just pathetic to see people just don’t have respect in the slightest. If you were upset you got blocked 35 times maybe you should’ve just stopped supporting the company to block you 35 times?

    If your so upset that nintendo sends out out of date systems? Just don’t buy it. If you hate that sony removed os? Then sell your system for a profit and buy a pc. Everyone keeps. Acting like these companies forced these choices upon you. Guess what it was your decision to put the money down not the companies. If you can’t take it don’t buy it.

    I didn’t like the thought of having to pay to play my 60 dollar games. Did I run out and buy the system anyways? No! Did I try and hack for codes to unlock free memberships? No. I. Just didn’t. Buy the system. I didn’t like that nintendo had pretty lame recycled games. Did I buy the system anyways? No! I just didn’t buy the. System.

    These hackers/fanboys are just full of sh*t. None of your actions are justified. If you really wanted to make a stand. Protest, don’t buy, complain to the company. Start a petition. Heck, go. To a law firm and build a case. But, these petty acts aren’t. Doing anything to support your. Alledged cause. It just shows what your doing is and will remain a pride issue.

    #86 4 years ago
  87. OrbitMonkey

    @86 +1

    #87 4 years ago
  88. ManuOtaku

    #86, Therefore the solution is not buying sonys products?, believe me theres to many consumers out there who are thinking that, and they will do that, but the sad part is, that is not good for the business and neither for sony, so is not a good solution in the end of the day.

    I prefer that sony like all the manufacturers instead of not planning in the development cycle what´s in and what´s out, they do plan it carefully just in order to avoid this, and also if they manage to not fooresee the future, and they realize the mistake that has done, well at least act decently and dont damage the consumers for this, dont penalize them, plain and simple and that will be a win win situation for everybody, even for sony.

    #88 4 years ago
  89. lexph3re

    You can’t say its bad for their business because that’s not true. I haven’t bought a wii nor 360 and both of them are doing just fine.

    #89 4 years ago
  90. Gama_888

    Would anyone here consider themselves part of anonymous?
    although saying yes does kinda remove the point of it xD

    Just looking at how much this is being commented with walls of text i can only assume people are arguing about this bullshit?

    So someone must also be trying to defend anonymous? :)

    #90 4 years ago
  91. ManuOtaku

    #90 , now thanks to you Anonymous kick me out, thanks dude but i will have my VENDETTA, remember the fifth of november 8D

    #91 4 years ago
  92. YoungZer0

    Oh boy. Anon just shot himself in the foot. They actually took down PSN. Nice doing Anon, you fucked with the people you’re trying to represent.

    #92 4 years ago
  93. Cort

    Anonymous is simply a group of self-indulgent, spoiled children. If they really believed in their sub-GCSE-student rhetoric of freedom of speech and human rights they’d be busy attacking the governments of Russia, Iran, China, Zimbabwe and all those other countries which deny their citizens full rights in accordance with the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Where are their DDoS attacks on Libya? Instead they stamp their feet in the parents’ basements at the US government (the country of the First Amendment) and any company which tries to defend its intellectual property, and defend without question Wikileaks which is run by shady men who refuse to apply the rules of openness and transparency to themselves that they do (arbitrarily) to the rest of the entire world (see Private Eye issues 1282 and 1283 to get a real insight into the kinds of people Julian Assange and his cronies really are – those damned Jews, eh, Julian? They’re EVERYWHERE!). I’m beginning to think that most hackers are a whizz with computers, but intellectually retarded in just about every other area of human thinking.

    But they are not always so “anonymous”. Their last set of DDOS attacks in support of Wikileaks used tools and websites so basic and ill-conceived that even the BBC was able to track some of them down to their middle-class, suburban, tree-lined streets.

    #93 4 years ago
  94. mathare92

    Bit late to the party, but @57,59,62,64,69 & 73 – are you alright chap? Having doubts about what has been set in stone by the powers that be? Being skeptical of the information provided to you through Official Reports by relevant, knowing parties; thinking that some elements of said reports remain shady and perhaps may have been deliberately manipulated or covered up in aid of a hidden agenda??

    Why you tinfoil hat donning, ignorant conspiracy theorist!

    What are you gonna say next? That there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq after all? Ha! You nut! You seriously think we were being lied to? That the world was being misinformed by intelligence agencies with limitless resources, trusted inside sources and irrefutable data? Fool. The WMD’s in Iraq very much exist. It’s just that – and don’t tell anyone this – all these WMD’s were fitted with a state-of-the-art cloaking mechanism. That’s right. Why do you think there’s been no sight of them for 8 years now? Word is that once all the US and allied combat forces completely withdraw, the last remaining survivors of the Saddam regime will finally unleash those monstrosities. Maybe then you’ll get your tinfoil hat off. :)

    #94 4 years ago
  95. jeremycafe

    @ManuOtaku

    The PS3 is SONY’s product. They can do what the fuck they want with it. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. I don’t feel bad that you can’t cheat your ass off in online games like every PC game out there. I don’t feel bad if you can’t pirate an assload of titles onto your machine. I don’t feel bad for you at all.

    #95 4 years ago
  96. ManuOtaku

    #95 ps3 is sonys product, i do agree, but also the consumers did paid 600$ for the device, on that was included Other S, so they paid for that too that was part of the total cost, when it was took it away sony didnt pay a refund for these application or any compensation whatsoever, therefore the money for that said application is not sonys property, and keep in mind when the consumers did bought it, sony stated that this application will last the entire life cycle of the product, and it came with the box, if sony at least advertised this applications will be took away, then maybe the consumer can opted for the non buying part,but when they did buy it, they did used such said device, and many years later it was took off, therefore the non buying part was not available right ther, and please lets not confuse expectation of free repair” warranty that came with the product, with “expectation of continued function after the warrany expires, like sony is trying to do with this, also wrong.

    Look i feel bad for Piracy and cheating, but the ones that should do have care about it was sony in the first place they put they option of other S in it, not me and neither other consumers, it was their choice, a choice that was given the go ahead on all sonys departments,including their investors, therefore is unaceptable for a big corporation, with a lot of people that posses a lot of gray matter, to came with a solution that did damage the consumer the way they did, of course it was easy and it was cheap but it was also wrong,it doesnt matter the way you look at it, it was wrong on a consumers level point of view.

    Next time sony needs to plan carefully whats in an whats out on their consoles, in order to avoid this,and even if they dont, if they eventually realize they had done a big mistake due to poorly planing. Sony please treat the consumers a bit more nicier, it will be a win win situation for all parts involve, even for sony.

    #96 4 years ago
  97. Ireland Michael

    Avoid what? A few hours of sporadic downtime?

    Wow, Anonymous really showed them, huh? I bet Sony have totally learned their lesson!

    Congrats Anonymous, another wonderful victory against the world’s greatest tyrants. The world is now a safer and better place thanks to you!

    Sony treats the consumer just fine.

    #97 4 years ago
  98. ManuOtaku

    #98 sony didnt treat the consumer fine, they didnt compensate them by the took off,in any means, heck they can even offer free games or netflix free movies or any on those lines, that way they might seem interested in solving the situation, but it was better to look the other way around. thats not nice treatment at all IMO
    P.D the thing that worries me the most is that sony thinks that they didnt treat the consumers bad with this issue, because that will mean the didnt learn from their mistakes, so this will happen again in the future, if at least they internalize this then it will be great for all of us, meaning good for everybody instead of only a many

    #98 4 years ago

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