Anonymous declares vengeance on Sony

#48 +2 i think wulf posts were great too, and i thougth Kerplunk Was talking about red faction guerilla 8D, that hammer can take a building and walls with my hammer-using abilities

TheWulf: I couldn’t give a damn whose “employed” in Anonymous.

It isn’t a singular entity. There’s no leader. It’s just random bored people too spineless to deal with stuff like those of us in the real world do… using our faces.

They constantly parade themselves as some sort of champions of justice, but they fail to understand that nobody in the real world actually gives a flying fuck about a faceless entity behind a computer.

They “protested” against Scientology for the greater part of ten minutes, before the Scientologists found out who half of them were and threatened their families, at which point they all ran away home like little pansies and suddenly forgot about their crusade.

Even Wikileaks couldn’t be bothered to acknowledge their existence. It was fucking hilarious watching them trying to get involved in that one. So much desperation to be acknowledged, they’re clasping onto every tiny little thing they can.

They think they’re the modern day equivalent of the hippies or the punks, thinking they can change something. I’ve seen the kind of over romantised bullshit some of them write. Waxing lyrical about acceptance, finally being part of a cause, blah blah blah.

90% of them *are* just sad lonely kids desperate for attention or the need to feel relevant in a world that won’t pay attention to them. There is no difference between Anonymous and street gangs.

Well, Anonymous, come back to me when you actually help stem the tides of socks reform and change things for the better. Here’s a tip… get off the fucking computer first.

For the record, I have absolutely no problems with hackers. It’s solely Anonymous that I think are a bunch of retards.

@Ireland Michael, Completely agreed.

Wulf, Kerplunk AND Ireland Michael (included in edit) have good and written posts and that is always nice to see.

It does seem that there are people willing to defend hackers as they see them in some kind of noble pursuit of knowledge. Which is fair enough if they use that power responsibly. Some of them don’t though, so just like most things in life, there are valid reasons to be for and against hackers and what they do.

Of course, I’m basing all this purely on my own experience of hacking… Thanks Uplink!

@52: Well said, Michael, well said.

Hmm apologies I guess, my hatred of wall of txt affected my judgement. What I meant to say was TheWulfs post was a load of romanticised bull, hiding a deep well of bile towards Sony. The only note worthy aspect of it was the remarkable lack of spelling mistakes from someone who types one handed, whilst whacking off to their own opiniated, self rightous diatribes.
@ Christopher Jack, sorry for the dig mate, agree with your points tbh

#52, “It isn’t a singular entity. There’s no leader. It’s just random bored people too spineless to deal with stuff like those of us in the real world do… using our faces”.

When the people that pulls the strings in the world from corporations to goverments, to military etc,use also their faces in the public, which they dont, then we can ask for anonymous to use their real faces, is easy to ask when the people behind the curtain also hide their faces quite well in order to avoid backlash.

And for the rest of your comment i will quote Howard Zinn

“And to look at history and understand that when change takes place it takes place as a result of large, large numbers of people doing little things unbeknownst to one another. And if we do act, in however small a way, we don’t have to wait for some grand utopian future”.

So i think they are doing their small things, that maybe are wrong or right,thats arguable and will depend of the various point of views, i believe in the end thats only for god to decide, but at least they are trying in the way they can in order to get some of this people that do also very wrong things in the world.

Don’t ever change, OrbitMonkey.

I don’t care if I agree with the post or not, but it’s always hilarious and straight to the point

@ManuOtaku Politicians are public figures, executives are public figures. Their deeper connections might take a bit of investigation, but both the open market and the democratic system requires a level of transparency from those who operate in it. Your own inadequacy to hold either accountable doesn’t make them invisible. They’re right there for you to approach or challenge if you choose. Don’t kid yourself on that one.

#58, i mean those behind the public faces, the ones neither you, i and the public knows anything about.

Oh, so you’re a conspiracy nut? Are we talking humanoid space lizards, or zionist occupied government here?

@59 Like who? The Illuminati? The New World Order?

Hahahaha!

Please… I really don’t want to have to give out more tinfoil hats to people…

Well if believing that we are not the only kind of life in the universe, or multiple universes for that matter, and that the governments had people behind close doors that decide, pretty much the way we live in order to maintain control, the way they want it, makes me a conspiracy nut, well i guess iam one of them.

@59 That is slightly paranoid guy. To be honest the best activists are the ones who ARE visible, who fight their corner balls out for all to see. Do you think Ghandi would have been so effective if he’d run around with a mask, writing anti-english graffiti on walls?

#61, i dont know who they are, maybe the ones that killed kennedy, Lincoln, or… who iam kidding it was oswalt and the mafia…right…..

@64 So it was the Illuminati who removed the other os from the ps3? Mother fucker!

#65 You can call them the illumati, they were illuminated by the money, so that fits them right

Kinda reminds me of another recent conversation in which people propose that no proof equals absolute proof.

To use that evergreen example, there’s more proof that Oswald was a communist weirdo who acted alone, than there is of any other theory. It’s not as exciting as Kennedy being taken out by templars, but I really don’t need that kind of excitement in my life.

That’s not to say that Kennedy wasn’t an irrational president that was seen as a liability by many around him, but that does not equal proof of murder.

I think the worst bluff that you can fall victim to is the notion that you know something without the slightest shred of substance to back it up. Circumstancial evidence needs to be remarkably strong, plentiful and consistent.

@34 The VG247 “community” is N4G mkII, unfortunately.

Well said, brother Mike.

#67 i guess you are right, but they are facts that are strange, like why they clean the car of the president so quickly without taking any evidence, even for that time it seems quite odd, also the miracle bullet that doesnt explain the one shooter theory, and we can keep all day, the fact of the matter is that till this day we dont know what really happened, and thats the key issue. why it is still unknow?

@69 Certainly, it’s open for conspiracy theories. I think the assassination of Bobby Kennedy is a lot worse, since there was actually solid evidence that the police reports were inaccurate.

It’s just a big leap to jump from inconsistencies to a conclusion that someone was deliberately murdered by shadowmen, though.

Worth investigating though, for sure.

The thing that tickles me is that if you look at the attempted assassinations of powerful leaders through the ages, and in particular American presidents, from Reagan and Ford (twice) through McKinley to Lincoln, I think the “certifiable madman” to “political assailaint” ratio is something like 95% to 5%. Rational people generally don’t kill over disagreements with someone.

So I asked Anonymous (there all the same you know, not like theres different groups of them or anything like that) and they said no.

Don’t bother them about it though.

Excuse me but, no this is bullshit. The large majority of Anons, especially on /v/, agree that Sony is doing the right thing and that Geohot is a bitch. It’s just that simple, and even if Sony was in the wrong by trying to protect their assets, it still wouldn’t be worth retaliation.

People seem to forget that Anonymous is a large unorganized group of people, raids and large scale stuff usually comes from most of these random people agreeing it’s necessary. This is not the case here, this is a vocal minority that will probably download loic and try something with only a handful of people.

#70 i agree, and i think it needs to be investigated, alongside with the other ones you mentioned, but thats the thing if you dont properly investigate and give a reasonable closure based on the facts recollected during the investigation, leaves a lot of room for conspiracy theories, and with reason, because when you shadow an investigation, it is because theres something to hide, and in this particular cases involving a president of a nation, maybe gives you some hint that people with a lot of power are involve on this because of the so many levels involve, police, National security, Personal guards, etc.
Also i did put this an example because i wanna stated the maybe are shadow hands involve in a lot of things that happen in our life

#72 sony had the right to protect their assests, but without damaging the consumers, that is why it was wrong, of course it was the easiest, the cheapest and quickiest solutions, but the consumers were not compensated by this, the total cost of the product included the other s application, therefore when they removed they should paid the difference plain an simple, and all the damages done, that is why so many consumers are happy with this kind of retaliation, and is easy to see why.
Also remember that sony stated that was for money issues, so alongside with damaging the consumers, they also lied to them, not nice consumer treatment if you ask me.

Lets just see what Anon has achieved in the past.

Oh right … nothing.

@74
I love how you’re keeping your fingers deeply entrenched in your ears in regards to why Sony removed Other OS. Sony took it out of the Slim model to save money, (it was never an advertised feature in the Slim models) but took it out of the ‘phat’ ones because GeoHot found a way to exploit it.
I know you know this already, but you’re just purposely ignoring it to push your point. You are, to put in nicely; Dishonest.

Sony removing Other OS from the old PS3′s wouldnt save them any money, if anything, releasing the update costed them.

#76 if it was for picacy reasons or hacking reasons, why they put it in it in the first place?, thats even more unaceptable because this device had green light on all sony departments even his investors, so again the easiest, cheapest and quickest solution was damaging the consumers. so Wrong

Sony is doomed now!

@77: Because Sony was naive enough to think people wouldn’t exploit it.

@77
They put it in there in the first place because they cant see the future. It wasnt a security threat went they released it, just like it wasnt for the first 3 years.

The rest of your post literally makes no sense, you speak gibberish then claim yourself right. You are not, however.

Well, at least the tinfoil hat business won’t be dying out any time soon.

#79 this kind of tool on other devices lead to exploitation, so i dont think sony didnt saw that coming, it is very hard to believe that sony was naive, and even if that was the case, do it other way, not the easiest and cheapest in order to avoid damaging the consumers.

#80 i didnt said i was right, i said what sony did was wrong, and on a consumer level, it was plain and simple

@82: So you’re saying they wanted people to exploit it so they can sue broke hackers to earn more money?

You alway talk about damaging the consumers, but so far the real damage is being done by the hackers.

#84 Yes is true, what GeoHotz did was wrong, just as wrong as sonys actions with the consumers, the problem is that many consumers are supporting him to get even with sony, and what i said is that i understand them, even if both parts are wrong, the one that threw the first stone was sony for putting it and then tack it back without any compensation.

As for the true reasons i dont know, only god and them knows, but maybe they didnt calculate well enough, poor development cycle perhaps

Its pretty sad to see this many people hating sony. Its even more saddening to see peoplesupporting the “uprising”. Even with all the bs that I feel Ms and nin pulls I still never thought anyone was right for hacking their systems. It is just pathetic to see people just don’t have respect in the slightest. If you were upset you got blocked 35 times maybe you should’ve just stopped supporting the company to block you 35 times?

If your so upset that nintendo sends out out of date systems? Just don’t buy it. If you hate that sony removed os? Then sell your system for a profit and buy a pc. Everyone keeps. Acting like these companies forced these choices upon you. Guess what it was your decision to put the money down not the companies. If you can’t take it don’t buy it.

I didn’t like the thought of having to pay to play my 60 dollar games. Did I run out and buy the system anyways? No! Did I try and hack for codes to unlock free memberships? No. I. Just didn’t. Buy the system. I didn’t like that nintendo had pretty lame recycled games. Did I buy the system anyways? No! I just didn’t buy the. System.

These hackers/fanboys are just full of sh*t. None of your actions are justified. If you really wanted to make a stand. Protest, don’t buy, complain to the company. Start a petition. Heck, go. To a law firm and build a case. But, these petty acts aren’t. Doing anything to support your. Alledged cause. It just shows what your doing is and will remain a pride issue.

@86 +1

#86, Therefore the solution is not buying sonys products?, believe me theres to many consumers out there who are thinking that, and they will do that, but the sad part is, that is not good for the business and neither for sony, so is not a good solution in the end of the day.

I prefer that sony like all the manufacturers instead of not planning in the development cycle what´s in and what´s out, they do plan it carefully just in order to avoid this, and also if they manage to not fooresee the future, and they realize the mistake that has done, well at least act decently and dont damage the consumers for this, dont penalize them, plain and simple and that will be a win win situation for everybody, even for sony.

You can’t say its bad for their business because that’s not true. I haven’t bought a wii nor 360 and both of them are doing just fine.

Would anyone here consider themselves part of anonymous?
although saying yes does kinda remove the point of it xD

Just looking at how much this is being commented with walls of text i can only assume people are arguing about this bullshit?

So someone must also be trying to defend anonymous?

#90 , now thanks to you Anonymous kick me out, thanks dude but i will have my VENDETTA, remember the fifth of november 8D

Oh boy. Anon just shot himself in the foot. They actually took down PSN. Nice doing Anon, you fucked with the people you’re trying to represent.

Anonymous is simply a group of self-indulgent, spoiled children. If they really believed in their sub-GCSE-student rhetoric of freedom of speech and human rights they’d be busy attacking the governments of Russia, Iran, China, Zimbabwe and all those other countries which deny their citizens full rights in accordance with the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Where are their DDoS attacks on Libya? Instead they stamp their feet in the parents’ basements at the US government (the country of the First Amendment) and any company which tries to defend its intellectual property, and defend without question Wikileaks which is run by shady men who refuse to apply the rules of openness and transparency to themselves that they do (arbitrarily) to the rest of the entire world (see Private Eye issues 1282 and 1283 to get a real insight into the kinds of people Julian Assange and his cronies really are – those damned Jews, eh, Julian? They’re EVERYWHERE!). I’m beginning to think that most hackers are a whizz with computers, but intellectually retarded in just about every other area of human thinking.

But they are not always so “anonymous”. Their last set of DDOS attacks in support of Wikileaks used tools and websites so basic and ill-conceived that even the BBC was able to track some of them down to their middle-class, suburban, tree-lined streets.

Bit late to the party, but @57,59,62,64,69 & 73 – are you alright chap? Having doubts about what has been set in stone by the powers that be? Being skeptical of the information provided to you through Official Reports by relevant, knowing parties; thinking that some elements of said reports remain shady and perhaps may have been deliberately manipulated or covered up in aid of a hidden agenda??

Why you tinfoil hat donning, ignorant conspiracy theorist!

What are you gonna say next? That there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq after all? Ha! You nut! You seriously think we were being lied to? That the world was being misinformed by intelligence agencies with limitless resources, trusted inside sources and irrefutable data? Fool. The WMD’s in Iraq very much exist. It’s just that – and don’t tell anyone this – all these WMD’s were fitted with a state-of-the-art cloaking mechanism. That’s right. Why do you think there’s been no sight of them for 8 years now? Word is that once all the US and allied combat forces completely withdraw, the last remaining survivors of the Saddam regime will finally unleash those monstrosities. Maybe then you’ll get your tinfoil hat off.

@ManuOtaku

The PS3 is SONY’s product. They can do what the fuck they want with it. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. I don’t feel bad that you can’t cheat your ass off in online games like every PC game out there. I don’t feel bad if you can’t pirate an assload of titles onto your machine. I don’t feel bad for you at all.

#95 ps3 is sonys product, i do agree, but also the consumers did paid 600$ for the device, on that was included Other S, so they paid for that too that was part of the total cost, when it was took it away sony didnt pay a refund for these application or any compensation whatsoever, therefore the money for that said application is not sonys property, and keep in mind when the consumers did bought it, sony stated that this application will last the entire life cycle of the product, and it came with the box, if sony at least advertised this applications will be took away, then maybe the consumer can opted for the non buying part,but when they did buy it, they did used such said device, and many years later it was took off, therefore the non buying part was not available right ther, and please lets not confuse expectation of free repair” warranty that came with the product, with “expectation of continued function after the warrany expires, like sony is trying to do with this, also wrong.

Look i feel bad for Piracy and cheating, but the ones that should do have care about it was sony in the first place they put they option of other S in it, not me and neither other consumers, it was their choice, a choice that was given the go ahead on all sonys departments,including their investors, therefore is unaceptable for a big corporation, with a lot of people that posses a lot of gray matter, to came with a solution that did damage the consumer the way they did, of course it was easy and it was cheap but it was also wrong,it doesnt matter the way you look at it, it was wrong on a consumers level point of view.

Next time sony needs to plan carefully whats in an whats out on their consoles, in order to avoid this,and even if they dont, if they eventually realize they had done a big mistake due to poorly planing. Sony please treat the consumers a bit more nicier, it will be a win win situation for all parts involve, even for sony.

Avoid what? A few hours of sporadic downtime?

Wow, Anonymous really showed them, huh? I bet Sony have totally learned their lesson!

Congrats Anonymous, another wonderful victory against the world’s greatest tyrants. The world is now a safer and better place thanks to you!

Sony treats the consumer just fine.

#98 sony didnt treat the consumer fine, they didnt compensate them by the took off,in any means, heck they can even offer free games or netflix free movies or any on those lines, that way they might seem interested in solving the situation, but it was better to look the other way around. thats not nice treatment at all IMO
P.D the thing that worries me the most is that sony thinks that they didnt treat the consumers bad with this issue, because that will mean the didnt learn from their mistakes, so this will happen again in the future, if at least they internalize this then it will be great for all of us, meaning good for everybody instead of only a many