Greenberg: Reach, not GT5, will win 2010

Friday, 11th December 2009 11:49 GMT By Patrick Garratt


Halo: Reach will be the biggest game of 2010, Microsoft’s Aaron Greenberg’s assured Gama, and not Polyphony’s GT5.

“Is it launching next year?” he joked of the racer.

“I’ve seen years and years of mini-games, but I haven’t seen that the game is done. They just released the PSP version – maybe that’s what they’ve been working on. I feel confident that there’s nothing that will compare in size. Halo: Reach will be the biggest game of 2010.”

Reach is expected towards the end of next year: GT5 is slated for a March launch in Japan.

Thanks, EG.



  1. mescalineeyes

    god knows I hate when they’re being so cocky but he’s prolly right.

    #1 5 years ago
  2. Patrick Garratt

    Sorry for lack of updates. Mrs Pat had an operation yesterday and one of the little Pats had to go to the doctor this morning with an ear infection. Doing my best.

    #2 5 years ago
  3. bobbymington

    quite alright big pat, you’re still the best

    #3 5 years ago
  4. The Hindle

    In America Reach will outsell Gt, the rest of the world doubtfull i mean Previous Gts’s have done 14 or 15m

    #4 5 years ago
  5. Quiiick

    No problem, Pat. Family goes first.
    Hope all the Pats will be fine again for Christmas.

    #5 5 years ago
  6. Aimless

    What exactly does it mean to be the “biggest game”? There’s so many ways you could interpret that I’m sure Reach will qualify in some capacity.

    #6 5 years ago
  7. bobbymington

    here’s some mutha f’ing news

    ibuki in fo sho
    …and meerkats

    am i the only one who cares about this stuff :)

    #7 5 years ago
  8. BULArmy

    Starcraft 2 say: Hello…

    #8 5 years ago
  9. Blerk

    Are we really expecting Starcraft 2 to actually be out next year? :-D

    #9 5 years ago
  10. bobbymington

    aren’t we all abit sick of halo now, if this isn’t a giant overhaul, i think reviews might not be to generous with there review scores

    #10 5 years ago
  11. Bojangles

    Seems a bit rich to knock a long development time on one game with another game that has no released *game* information (or footage) and no release date either for the one he’s championing. Also Mr Greenberg should perhaps consider Alan Wake and Magna Carta 2 before mocking games with long development times on rival platforms.

    As #6 points out “biggest” is conveniently open to interpretation too. Biggest sales? Biggest content (not that GT5 appears to be slender on content. And perhaps APB should be considered in the definition too). Biggest marketing spend?

    And why is Mr. Greenberg coming out so aggressively in this manner when he could be crowing about NPD. I hear the best form of defense is attack.

    Anyway, chances are Wii Fit+++ will be the most succesful game of 2010.

    #11 5 years ago
  12. The Hindle

    Greenberg is the reason i hope Microsoft dont win, at least Sony have givien up thier arrogant ways and again they had something to be arrogant about selling 100m consoles with thier first attempt.

    #12 5 years ago
  13. ricardolessa

    The Hindle

    Are you insane? Man, for PS2 (and installed base is more than 100m) GT 3: A-Spec sold 14m; you think with me: the installed base of PS3 is 25m, so GT5 will sell something around 4 or 5 millions. Halo: Reach will sell around 8 or 10 m.

    #13 5 years ago
  14. ricardolessa

    Sony is arrogant. The Polyphony’s director is fucking arrogant. Don’t be fanatic. Be realistic. Microsoft and Sony wants MONEY. Just that. Don’t be romantic. That’s the reality of the world.

    #14 5 years ago
  15. Psychotext

    I don’t think it’s quite as clear cut as that ricardolessa (edit – damnit, re post #13). Game sales don’t generally scale linearly with installed base, though arguably GT5 would scale better than most as it has a lot of casual appeal.

    I doubt it’ll outsell any of the old GT games, but it certainly has a chance of pulling in something like 8 million.

    #15 5 years ago
  16. deanimate

    Unless Bioshock 2 gets delayed to 2011 he’s a bit of the mark

    yo bobby, that IS some MAFUCKING NEWS!

    #16 5 years ago
  17. onlineatron

    Greenberg… you = Moron.

    How are Gt5 and Reach similar in any way shape or form?!

    #17 5 years ago
  18. Syrok

    I’m sure no one will buy Final Fantasy… :)

    #18 5 years ago
  19. ricardolessa

    Maybe you be right, Psychotext. Maybe. But GT5 sells more than Halo: Reach? Halo: ODST (a low-budget game, made for Bungie’s B team) sold 2 millions in two days. Halo: Reach (huge budget, new graphic engine) will be (like the others Halos) a phenomenon.

    Halo 2 sold 8,5 m. Halo 3 (and the installed base of X360 was lower than nowadays) sold 10m. And Halo: Reach? 10m? 12m?

    #19 5 years ago
  20. onlineatron

    We all know Modnation Racers will be the biggest game of 2010 =P

    #20 5 years ago
  21. Blerk

    I bet Halo Reach would sell far more copies if they’d called it ‘Halo 4′ instead.

    #21 5 years ago
  22. onlineatron


    lol I completely forgot about that.

    #22 5 years ago
  23. onlineatron


    Don’t be dense.

    PT never claimed that GT5 would sell more… he just stated it had ever chance of selling 8m.

    #23 5 years ago
  24. onlineatron


    Agreed, I know it’s not a continuation of Master Chiefs story… but it seems odd they would name it Reach.

    It will give unknowing consumers the impression it’s a spin off akin to Halo Wars rather than a prequel.

    Still… they changed ODST’s name late in the dev cycle so you never know.

    #24 5 years ago
  25. Cort

    Years and years of minigames? What? If he wants to start pointing fingers at GT5 Prologue, can’t Sony just point at ODST and ask why an “expansion” was charged at full price?

    #25 5 years ago
  26. Eregol

    I don’t think either game will win 2010.
    MS are way into their prick phase now and need to get their heads out of their asses if they want to keep their lead over Sony.
    Only Kaz Hirai says stupid stuff for Sony. Everyone at Microsoft seems to have their cunt mouth on.

    #26 5 years ago
  27. Blerk

    It’s kind of dull that they keep going back to Halo whenever they try to prove this point. If they hadn’t noticed, the Sony product they’re ultimately comparing against in each case has been different each time. Different series, different genre. Variety, Microsoft. It’s the spice of life.

    And Halo’s a bit shit.

    #27 5 years ago
  28. Psychotext


    #28 5 years ago
  29. Hunam

    Hello :)

    #29 5 years ago
  30. Eregol

    What’s that?
    A first person shooter coming out for a Microsoft console?
    Get outta town!!!

    #30 5 years ago
  31. Mike

    FPS 360/PS3 exclusives.

    360: Halo…(any more?)

    PS3: Killzone, Resistance, Haze

    #31 5 years ago
  32. onlineatron


    That’s down to Sony’s desperate/foolish struggle to create a Halo beater.

    But you can’t deny that Sony’s consoles always provide a better variety in gameplay styles.

    Whilst Eregol was wrong to say ‘first person shooter’ it’s true most of Microsoft’s exclusives are shooters.

    #32 5 years ago

    Perfect Dark.

    #33 5 years ago
  34. No_PUDding

    A lot of opinions in this comment section. A lot of opinions everywhere.

    Fuck them!

    All I know is I will buy GT5, and my friend will buy Halo Reach. But we can still be friends! :P

    #34 5 years ago
  35. Aimless

    I’m not sure Haze counts as a game.

    #35 5 years ago
  36. Johnny Cullen

    Hmm… lets see.

    360: A fine FPS series.

    PS3: A near fine FPS series, a decent FPS series and a jackshit FPS game.

    360 wins, obviously.

    #36 5 years ago

    Whilst Eregol was wrong to say ‘first person shooter’ it’s true most of Microsoft’s exclusives are shooters.

    O RLY?

    #37 5 years ago
  38. Eregol

    360 also got
    Far Cry Instincts: Predator
    Perfect Dark Zero

    But yeah, maybe a little bit wrong about FPSes
    (Also, apologies to Giga. I was doing that post for a while)

    #38 5 years ago
  39. Mike

    You mean Gears and Halo are shooters. Halo Wars is RTS, Mass Effect and Fable are RPGs, Alan Wake is action/adventure. Forza is Driving, and then there’s those pony quiz games.

    The only thing MS can’t do is platformers. Dunno why, but they just can’t do ‘em.

    #39 5 years ago


    #40 5 years ago
  41. Mike

    But G1GA’s wiki list tells it’s own story, imo.

    #41 5 years ago
  42. Mike

    Anyway, it’s not a console overloaded with shooter exclusives, is it?

    #42 5 years ago
  43. Blerk

    The whole ‘you can only get shooters on 360′ argument is basically dead in the water when you consider that 90%+ of the games released get ported to both platforms. So if it was true for one then it would equally have to be true for the other.

    That said, I think Sony do a better job with their first-party stuff. Microsoft does have a better variety mix than they used to have, but Sony still give the impression that they have a better mix.

    #43 5 years ago
  44. The Hindle


    Gt P sold 4m copies and that was bascally the same kind of thing as Halo Odst. And ill point out it sold 4m copies when the Ps3 install base was ony like 19m. Id say Gt 5 will easly do 10m as Gt sells quite a lot in Japan.

    #44 5 years ago
  45. The Hindle

    Even games that aint fps on the 360 still involve shooting aliens lol Mass Effect, Gears etc

    #45 5 years ago
  46. theevilaires

    You all fail except G1GA ;)

    #46 5 years ago

    Woo hoo!

    #47 5 years ago
  48. Eregol

    Give that man a biscuit.

    #48 5 years ago
  49. Doc Robotnik

    If MW2 only did 1.87m in the US, month 1 (see NPD data today), then GT5 isn’t getting anywhere near that. And whoever said it’ll reach 10m sales WW is dreaming. There are only 25m PS3s or so worldwide – no way more than 1 in 3 people will buy it.

    Halo: Reach will outsell GT5, no doubt, but then MS does have far more consoles in circulation, and FPSs always sell more than racers, no matter how big.

    #49 5 years ago

    Jammy Dodger, please.

    #50 5 years ago
  51. The Hindle

    GT P sold 4m when the Ps3 was being hammered every month robo, In europe its massive, in Japan its massive, In Na is big but Halos bigger. Life time sales for Gt 5 will be 10m of course it wont do that in one day

    #51 5 years ago
  52. The Hindle

    And to correct you Robo, Sony so far have sold 27m Ps3s last time they updated thier statisics

    #52 5 years ago
  53. Doc Robotnik

    okay, so 27, not 25m. I did say ’25 or so’, but thanks for being pedantic.

    No way GT5 will do 10m IMO, but then it can’t be proved now – we’ll see once it’s been out for a while.

    #53 5 years ago
  54. SplatteredHouse

    They should both quit their cat-fighting and caterwauling for once, as it’s abundantly clear that the one to really watch in 2010 is likely to be Konami’s Castlevania, Lords of Shadow. :)

    #54 5 years ago
  55. Eregol

    I must admit that the Castlevania trailers have looked good, and the voice work is of sterling quality, but with the amount of hack and slash games next year I truly don’t see what Castlevania has going for it that the other titles don’t.

    #55 5 years ago
  56. Floms

    poor devil GT5 has no competiton this game is huge in every part of the globe

    #56 5 years ago
  57. No_PUDding

    Shutup, the ONLY one for ‘everyone’ to watch in 2010 is Red Dead Redemption.

    #57 5 years ago
  58. Blerk

    Yeah, the whole argument’s quite amusing really. I’m finding it hard to think of any games for next year which are quite as yawn-inducing as GT5 and Halol Reach.

    #58 5 years ago
  59. No_PUDding

    I like Aaron Greenberg actually. He’s actually not that cocky

    #59 5 years ago
  60. Eregol

    To be honest though.
    Aren’t Halo fanboys the only ones actually interested in getting a new Halo now?
    From what I’ve seen over the interwebz a lot of people are united in the idea that Halo is in decline.
    Then again, I’m only talking about the snapshot I’ve seen.

    #60 5 years ago
  61. Hunam

    I like Greenberg too. Of course he is all up about Xbox, because that’s his job, but he tends to comment more as if he and a friend of a similar position in Sony are having a friendly competition than anything cuntish.

    #61 5 years ago
  62. No_PUDding

    You know, reading throguh ths conversation it is true. The onyl game that ISN’T a shooter coming from Microsoft (or tied exclsuie) next year is Fable 3.

    #62 5 years ago
  63. Blerk

    The vast majority of games involve shooting in some respect, though. Even stuff like Ratchet and Clank has guns.

    Actually, Fable has guns too. :-D

    #63 5 years ago
  64. OlderGamer

    Just food for thought, um, but if Zelda makes it out for next year …might be bigger then either of these rehashes.

    #64 5 years ago
  65. Blerk

    Nah. Zelda’s not that a huge seller these days. Besides which, there’s fuck all chance of Zelda making it next year. :-D

    Zelda has shooting too!

    #65 5 years ago
  66. No_PUDding

    Well, all I meant by that was, the ONLY shooter I know of from Sony next year is MAG. I literally dont think there is another shooter from them, next year (so far).

    #66 5 years ago
  67. OlderGamer

    I agree I think its a streatch to see Zelda next season. But all the Wii needs is one game. In the end, a few years from now, don’t be amazed if The New Super Mario Bros Wii doesn’t outsell and out distance every other game that launched this year. Including, but not limited to CoD MW2. Mario is good as any game I have ever played. And being on the Wii and from nintendo that baby is gonna have legs.

    #67 5 years ago

    The ‘How to make money in gaming’ guide:

    Step 1, release a record breaking FPS.

    Step 2, repeat step 1.

    Any questions?

    #68 5 years ago
  69. OlderGamer

    I don’t know G1GA, Nintendo seems to do alright.

    #69 5 years ago
  70. No_PUDding

    G1GA you’re exactly right, I shall go and invest in some Microsoft shares now!

    #70 5 years ago
  71. theevilaires

    To late PUD, psychotext and Mike bought them all ;)

    #71 5 years ago
  72. Eregol

    The REAL ‘How to make money in gaming’ guide:

    Step 1: Release a record breaking FPS

    Step 2: Repeat step 1

    Step 3: Add boobs.

    #72 5 years ago
  73. Psychotext

    It’s ok OlderGamer, I have Nintendo’s formula.

    Step 1, Release another game from a franchise you started 20 years ago.
    Step 2, repeat step 1.

    #73 5 years ago
  74. OlderGamer

    If it ain’t broken PT, why fix it?

    #74 5 years ago
  75. Eregol

    Psycho’s gag is better than mine.

    #75 5 years ago
  76. theevilaires

    You guys got it all wrong.

    The REAL ‘How to make money in gaming guide’

    Step 1: Rush your product to market to beat the juggernaut competition.

    Step 2: Brainwash people to pay for something you can get free anywhere else.

    Step 3: Rely on 1 game as your system seller.

    Step 4: Milk the shit out of it every year.

    #76 5 years ago
  77. The Hindle

    Lol :) some good gags here

    #77 5 years ago
  78. OlderGamer

    Damn it G1GA see what you started ;)

    #78 5 years ago
  79. NoxNoctisUmbra

    Greenberg is a dumb ass, sure he must support his work, but taking facts out of his is ass is another thing.

    #79 5 years ago
  80. No_PUDding

    OlderGamer, I agree, I cant wait for ‘Citizen Kane 69′ next year.

    I’m so glad we don’t exist in a parallel universe where the medium of film was so pompous to assume progress could be made beyond the films of 60 odd years ago.

    #80 5 years ago
  81. NoxNoctisUmbra

    Why not Compare FM3 sales with GT5.. oh right he knows it will loose

    #81 5 years ago
  82. No_PUDding

    Yeah… And he’s there to make sure that the company keeps investors happy AND ensures more investors. As I said, he’s actually pretty fair, for a corporate mouthpiece.

    #82 5 years ago
  83. The Hindle

    To be honest hes going to say this its his job. It barely warrants a response, hes out of order having a go at PD though.

    #83 5 years ago
  84. No_PUDding

    Haha… But IS he?

    It’s kind of a joke, ofcourse we know we’ll get quality, but it HAS been a long time.

    #84 5 years ago
  85. theevilaires

    Nox don’t go there you’ll make the XBOTS cry…please for the love of GOD don’t bring that back up :P …..(psss, bring it back up :) )

    #85 5 years ago
  86. The Hindle

    PD are perfectionists Pud say unlike most studios who release thier games with errors and glitches. PD dont do that at all which is to be admired really.

    #86 5 years ago
  87. OlderGamer

    Not alot of Nintendo love in here lol.
    I am not a fanboy of any system.
    I just think that fun isn’t that hard to manage. Some games hit fun squarly on the head. Tetris for example is Tetris. It is simple, fun, and doesn’t need retooling to continue to be fun. Alot of games are like that. Beyond the window dressing they are at their core unchanged from what made them fun to begin with. Newer doesn’t mean better.
    By the same type of thinking every new game that came out would be amazing. They would be leaps forward. They would be heaps more fun then anything before them. But of course thats not always the case. I have many older games that I still play to this day.
    I still play activly, nearly daily. Phantasy Star Online(GC on my Wii). I still do monthly Mechassult Lan parties. My wife just recently bought Bust a move for the XBLA, nothing new in that game but a new coat of paint. She loves Zuma, pretty basic game, no need or room realy to be retooled. Sometimes updating an old game is all that is needed. I still play Civilization, of course now it is CiV 4. Lots of cases of new not equaling better. Just as many cases of new equaling improvments too. But often that is all it is, improvments. Fundamentaly speaking, is UC2 any different then UCone? Any different then Tomb Raider? Its Indiana Jones in a video game. After Castle Wolfenstin, came Doom, Came Quake, came Unreal, fastforward comes Call of Duty, comes Halo … what comes next owes so much to Castle Wolfenstin and its 8 3.5inch floppy discs so many years ago.
    What you call progress, Pud, I call evolution. We are all still playing Poleposition, Venture, and Pitfall. Except now we call them GT5, Dragon Age:Origins, and Super Mario Bros.
    You see it in movies too. First of all, my wife and I watch White Christmass every year. Its a family tradition, I think that movies was made in the late 50s or early 60s. But you need only to look at old movies being remade, from the literal ones like War of the Worlds)Tom Cruise) to hard to identify ones. Such as old stories retold in new movies. The themes, human experience, and basic stories don’t change too much. The window dressing, that is the settings, special effects, and technology in which they are delivered does. Apply the samething to video games. Esp, in this case to Nintendo and their “dated franchises”.
    Sure it is a Zelda game. Boy saves princess from a big bad. Pretty universial theme if you ask me. Its Zelda, but the manor of wich the game is delivered is going to change. Toss is a few twists and tweaks while leaving the fun untouched and unchanged….that still works. Why because in the end like Zuma, PSO, Tetris, and Zelda the game is fun to play.
    Video games are really not that complicated. The tricky part is convincing consumers that they need to play and buy new ones all of the time.

    #87 5 years ago
  88. theevilaires


    #88 5 years ago
  89. The Hindle

    Well written Oldergamer

    #89 5 years ago
  90. theevilaires

    That was well written?….looks like a glob of messy text to me…just joking O.G. I’ll read what it says now :D

    #90 5 years ago
  91. Psychotext

    It’s a minor thing OG, but can you add that little extra carriage return when you made a new paragraph? Will make your posts a lot easier to read.

    #91 5 years ago
  92. OlderGamer

    Good advice PT, will work on trying to break it up a bit next time.

    #92 5 years ago
  93. Uncontested

    lmfao.. comparing a FPS to a a Racer because they know Forza bombed ass in comparison to a game thats not even released yet. Everyones waiting for the far superior GT brand.

    Halo Reach will sell for the same reason the ODST sold.. the fanbois are obsessed with Halo even if all you added was a 2 hour story and a “new” multiplayer mode. looool.

    #93 5 years ago
  94. Psychotext

    I wish we could get some general guidance on what constitutes a bomb these days… it gets so complicated, what with only applying to some big games and not others. :)

    #94 5 years ago
  95. theevilaires

    93 is pure right. and off topic real quick what happened to pracer?

    I know he was an older gamer too and he used to post the same way O.G. does now….only thing is he was die hard Xbox fan and O.G. seems to like all equal…just a funny thing I was thinking :D

    #95 5 years ago
  96. Psychotext

    I think you should go and look at some of Pracer’s old posts. They’re significantly different to the writing style (and language) of OG.

    #96 5 years ago
  97. OlderGamer

    I think pracer was just misunderstood Tea. He prolly was a good guy and all.

    #97 5 years ago
  98. No_PUDding

    Are we doing blocks of text now?

    Evolution is often progress. Sometimes it’s changes, to suit the times, but fundamentally, it’s making things better.

    If you see things thematically, then I can’t help you, but the ludic aspects are fundamentally different nowadays, from how they were even 5-10 years ago.

    It’s clear to me the games you listed, support your argument, but they are 3 of the most archaicly designed games/franchises still around. GT, virtually unchaged since it’s inception, Dragon Age: Baldur’s Gate in 3D, Super Mario Brothers, is just that.

    And even then, those quasi-retro games are still FUNDAMENTALLY different from games we played 20 years ago. Due to the times, due to innovations, due to fads, due to genuine progress/evolution.

    Outside of what you want to call it, if you can’t FEEL the evolution, then your handle seems only to be factually correct. You’ve missed out on observing your hobby, this medium of entertainment/expression grow.

    #98 5 years ago
  99. Psychotext


    #99 5 years ago
  100. No_PUDding

    I started writing beore you stuck your snooty nose in asshole :D

    #100 5 years ago
  101. Psychotext


    #101 5 years ago
  102. theevilaires

    No he was a good guy. I’m not saying he wasn’t. Just because a guy prefers the 360 over PS3 does not make him a bad guy!

    I wish people stop accusing me of disliking people like that. I have friends who feel the same way in real life and it’s a blast to just joke about shit like that while in Bestbuy or anywhere games are stationed.

    One of my best friends here on this site prefers the 360 over the PS3 and that crazy nut would be G1GA :D . Hell I turn on my 360 just to watch him play MW2 even though I’m still on my PS3 at the same time getting trophies.

    I wish pracer would come back though, I hope he’s ok and well. He just fell of radar….

    #102 5 years ago
  103. No_PUDding

    NO YOU!

    P.S You said you liked my dirty whore mouth open, the other night. That was great. Call me.

    #103 5 years ago
  104. Psychotext

    Edit – The comment I had here makes no sense after what Pud just wrote. Also, I’d like to take this opportunity to completely disassociate myself from what Pud just wrote. It is nothing more than an attack on my otherwise pristine reputation!

    #104 5 years ago
  105. No_PUDding

    That’s your excuse for not calling?

    #105 5 years ago
  106. No_PUDding


    IT: To be fair it made complete, dark, correlative sense before you edited.

    #106 5 years ago
  107. Jadeskye


    #107 5 years ago
  108. Psychotext

    Possibly Pud, but it wasn’t actually in response to your filthy ramblings.

    #108 5 years ago
  109. OlderGamer

    I think you complety miss the point Pud. Worse it is the point you made, or tried to make.
    I post 80 your responded to me. I said that if it works why change it? If it wasn’t broken, why fix it. I think there is a vast difference between keeping something true to its core fundamentals(the parts that work) and changing it just for the sake of changing it. Tetris fro example, simply doesn’t need changing. It works. It is the personification of fun boiled down. Simplicity. And it works. It has spawned several “takes” on itself. From Tetris 2 to Puzzle Fighters. But falling blocks, to create lines with increasingly quick decents/challange has not been changed. I think we both agree there. The samething can be applied to almost any game you can name. All of them have their roots somewhere else and sometime else in the past. Very few games(I can’t think of a single one) that don’t have roots. Movies for that matter are just books in motion. Books are witten recorded stories. Etc. Progress. Evolution. Whatever.
    My point was simple. And is rock solid. If a game has(at its core) a working model for fun, be it CoD, GT5, or one of Nintendos franchise games, why mess with that? You critized Nintendo for putting out the same game franchises. I asked why not? They are fun to play. And Nintendo knows that millions of kids(gamers that not yet played every Zelda game ever made) turn ten each year. And each year those same kids pick up a controler, maybe for the first time, and they can experience the fun to be found in a Zelda game.
    I think it is a great stratgey. While I may be burnt out on Zelda, I know my kids aren’t. They love the games. More power to them. To them and Nintendo for understanding that and providing a solid game experience.

    #109 5 years ago
  110. theevilaires

    I said it before and I’ll say it again


    #110 5 years ago
  111. No_PUDding

    My point was not necessarily a criticism. My point was that Citizen Kane is virtually unwatchable by today’s standards, and yet it paved the way for much of today’s standards.

    I was saying if something isn’t broken, it should still be fixed. Becuase fixing things is evolution, it’s the change, and it’s the progress.

    Sure, every kid who’s turned ten, can play Super Mario Brothers, into the future, but if these archaic game designs are kept always, then those ten yer olds will always turn into the same Miyamoto-inspired designers when they grow up.

    What you miss is the games that aren’t archaic, most importantly, the new design ethics. Miyamoto’s era of gaming was fun, games and gamers want games to break free of JUST fun. Refined fun. People want more now. Things aren’t broken but there is change. And it has been due for a while.

    #111 5 years ago
  112. Dralen

    I’m only gonna get Halo: Reach if its something completely different to the normal Halo stuff that comes out. Oh and it has to be good.

    #112 5 years ago
  113. OlderGamer

    Pud, I am not 100% sure I agree with your pov. To me what your saying is that games NEED to offer more then just fun. I think in today hyper serious world, a good dose of simple fun is the real needed thing. I think when devs go such realism and life reflecting issues in game content, for me, much of the imerssion factor gets lost. I can get lost in a Mario or Zelda World, I can get lost in a tolken inspired setting, but when faced with terriorst(for example) I am all too often reminded of headline news. To me, thats not fun.
    I do however totaly understand your pov. I think you are also feeling that games can define themself as a more mature and hard hitting media. And in that respect they can show room for progress and have indeed come a long way from their simple line creating, key collecting, time trial beating, and princess saving past. Understood.
    I am just not sure if I feel that those progresses are fully a good thing. I hope there will always be a place for a Miyamoto inspired adventure in our gaming world.
    Good chat, always nice to talk about games.

    #113 5 years ago

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