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Pitchford: “It would be much better if Steam was its own business”

Wednesday, 7 October 2009 21:18 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

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Gearbox’s Randy Pitchford has told Maximum PC that he thinks Steam and Valve should be seperate entites, as it is nothing more than a “money grab”.

“I’ll tell you what. Steam helps. As a guy in this industry though, I don’t trust Valve,” he said. “I, personally, trust Valve. But I’m just saying, honestly, I think a lot of the industry doesn’t.

“It would be much better if Steam was its own business. There’s so much conflict of interest there that it’s horrid. It’s actually really, really dangerous for the rest of the industry to allow Valve to win.

“I love Valve games, and I do business with the company. But, I’m just saying, Steam isn’t the answer. Steam helps us as customers, but it’s also a money grab, and Valve is exploiting a lot of people in a way that’s not totally fair.

“Valve is taking a larger share than it should for the service its providing. It’s exploiting a lot of small guys. For us big guys, we’re going to sell the units and it will be fine.”

Holy shit.

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27 Comments

  1. Patrick Garratt

    That really is serious business.

    #1 6 years ago
  2. DarkElfa

    I’m split between my Valve fandom and the honest truth he spoke in that blurb.

    #2 6 years ago
  3. freedoms_stain

    Is it really a Valve thing? D2D are pretty much on par with Steam when it comes to pricing any time I’ve cared to look.

    #3 6 years ago
  4. lk

    uh oh

    #4 6 years ago
  5. DarkElfa

    Oh, I also want to fix part of your report real quick.

    “I love Valve games, and I DID business with the company.”

    There ya go…

    #5 6 years ago
  6. Leathersoup

    So how much is Valve taking? This guy talks about how large of a share Valve is taking but he’s not saying how much of it they’re taking.

    #6 6 years ago
  7. lk

    NDA, maybe.

    #7 6 years ago
  8. No_PUDding

    I’d expect Steam and Valve are far more seperate than we know. We onyl meet the creative heads, but I doubt they run them too closely.

    #8 6 years ago
  9. endgame

    ok, so, what’s the news!? ’cause what he’s saying it’s common sense. ofc valve rips many ppl off. it’s obvious as daylight.

    #9 6 years ago
  10. Leathersoup

    The thing is, if Valve was ripping everyone off as badly as this guy is making you think, then someone would have stepped up and made their own “online sales service”.

    Steam provides DRM which can really help independent developers. It provides a network to distribute patches and updates. They even distribute demos and videos for games.

    I’m not sure what the cost for all of this is but I’m pretty sure that if Valve and Steam were such a horrible team and if Valve was ripping people off left right and center, another company would have stepped up to take it’s place and succeeded.

    #10 6 years ago
  11. freedoms_stain

    Steam definitely isn’t being fair all round.

    There are substantial price differences between regions, and they aren’t particularly competitive with e-tailers.

    And there are other online sales services Leathersoup.

    #11 6 years ago
  12. endgame

    @Leathersoup dude someone DID step up and MADE their own sales service. stardock did. that’s 1. 2, if you’d know what prices steam asks for some of their products then u would stfu. obviously you’re out of the loop.

    #12 6 years ago
  13. No_PUDding

    LeatherSoup, thats not really accurate.

    It’s called have a stranglehold on a market, and certainly for PC digital distribution… Steam is king. GFW and Stardock are two others. EA tried EA Link… That didn’t work.

    #13 6 years ago
  14. Yoshi

    Wow endgame, calm down lol.
    The main problem with Steam is exactly what freedoms said the regions difference, thats 1 of the worst problems i think. With the pricing compared to retail, well lets just think about this alot of digital games now you can only download so many times, on steam it is set to your account forever and you can download + install it as many times as u like. The way Steam competes with retailers is that they have the weekend deals, which can sometimes be very good. Compared to all the other digital distribution companys Steam is the best overall.

    #14 6 years ago
  15. Morrius

    Steam is pretty awesome. Valve or otherwise. I find it funny that it was designed by Gabe while he worked at Microsoft, who said they didn’t think it was a viable business platform. Lol.

    #15 6 years ago
  16. SunKing

    It is a worrying situation, but digital distribution is still in its very early stages, and there’s no reason stopping other companies from grabbing Valve’s market share – if they’re clever about it. I mean, compare Steam to GfWL, or even Impulse, and the difference in quality in terms of design is pretty great. While Steam has leveraged popularity through Valve’s games, Steam is the best digital distribution network I’ve come across so far.

    #16 6 years ago
  17. blackdreamhunk

    steam has a long way to go. the only reason steam is so good is because vavle is trying to compete with them pirates.

    then there is also the fact big curupt big companies push pc gamers online. where we are save from their evil hands.

    I’m talking about DD here. I also like the fact my games are cheaper.I don’t have to worry about spending $100 for a game.

    #17 6 years ago
  18. Leathersoup

    If Steam were a bad deal for the developers they would be going with another service.
    I’m not sure what the full issues are regarding regional sales but it may have something to do with regional retail prices as well.
    Most video game publishers and more importantly retailers will not put games out on the shelf if consumers can pick up a game at a fraction of the price elsewhere. So if a developer can make the same amount of money by publishing through a publishing firm for $60 or selling it on steam for $30. Retail outlets will not stock the item simply due to them not being able to have a competitive price. Due to this same reason publishing firms will not want to deal with the product either. Because of this developers charge an equivalent amount for the product on Steam in order to allow their product to hit a larger market.
    On top of this, when dealing with international software sales, Steam is going to be charged duties or tariffs on any product they sell across international borders.

    #18 6 years ago
  19. freedoms_stain

    “steam has a long way to go. the only reason steam is so good is because vavle is trying to compete with them pirates.” By pricing their games as expensive if not more so than other outlets? Cus pirates just love spending money on stuff.

    @Leathersoup, given the increasingly small amount of floorspace retailers are affording PC games that line of reasoning would appear to be rather shit.

    #19 6 years ago
  20. blackdreamhunk

    lol big companies made the mistake of pissing pc gamers off. how is gamestop doing these days. Their stocks have been on decline lately. As more and more pc gamers are moving to online DD.

    then there is the big companies who buy up all the retail space,pushing pc games to the back.

    yea the store shelf at retail is getting smaller and smaller lately even more so in a recession. The big companies like microsoft must been thinking that pc gamers are dumb and be forced to buy a gaming consoles. Instead pc gamers moved to DD in droves.

    Yea gamestop making a ton of money on the used game market. Some consoles are such a waste of time and not worth the $60 or $100 that some people go rent the games. I don’t blame them.

    lets not forget pircay on consoles too.

    #20 6 years ago
  21. Gekidami

    “how is gamestop doing these days. Their stocks have been on decline lately. As more and more pc gamers are moving to online DD.”

    PC gaming: losing jobs and runining lives. Well done PC.

    #21 6 years ago
  22. NiceFellow

    Wonder what he thinks of Live, then?

    As a consumer I have few issues with Steam. If developers think there is an issue behind the scenes then they should deal with it. Just whining doesn’t change anything.

    #22 6 years ago
  23. Leathersoup

    @freedoms_stain:
    Well that’s because piracy has pretty much made the PC an undesirable platform. For anyone who says that piracy occurs on consoles as well, consoles have many methods of preventing you from enjoying the full experience when you’re running a pirated version of the game or a modded console.
    As such you will find fewer people running pirated versions of a console game than a PC game. For this reason alone more console versions of a game will be sold than a PC version. The end result is that retailers will want to stock more console games than games for the PC and devs will want to make more games exclusively for consoles than for PC.

    #23 6 years ago
  24. Gekidami

    You know, i’m really not sure in the case of the Wii, its as easy to play pirate games as a PC thanks to softmods. Maybe that sort of explains its terrible software sales.
    I’m pretty sure the reason Wii MotionPlus (without any game) sales were so high was because people who downloaded Resort couldnt play the game without it.

    Other then that its true that its alot more hassel to play pirate games on 360 and (as far as i know) impossible on PS3.

    #24 6 years ago
  25. freedoms_stain

    Incorrect Leathersoup, Piracy is certainly a factor, but PC gamers are more inclined to order online or buy digital because they can get the game 5 or 10 quid cheaper than retail shops.

    #25 6 years ago
  26. MushroomStamp

    Leather Incorrect again. There is absolutely 0% difference between pirated and retail games for consoles. I have NEVER had a console game that was different. It’s the PC piracy that gets chopped up because when patches are released they often break the ability to play correctly on the PC. NEVER had a console game update and not work.

    #26 6 years ago
  27. MushroomStamp

    BTW, I love Steam, because I don’t have to worry about discs getting damage and it’s like a vault for my games. Games are never more expensive than the store prices. I could care less about manuals and music Cd’s extras.

    #27 6 years ago

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    Square Enix has released a Final Fantasy 15 video which shows highlights from the Episode Duscae demo included with launch editions of Final Fantasy Type-0 HD. FFT0 has shipped over one million copies worldwide, and a player feedback survey is available for the Duscae demo until May 19. Final Fantasy Type-0 HD is available on PlayStation […]

  • Bloodborne has sold over 155,000 digital units since release – SuperData

    PlayStation 4 exclusive Bloodborne has sold over 155,000 digital units since it was released on March 24, according to SuperData’s latest report. The figure produced by SuperData is worldwide and comes on the heels of the one million units sold announcement earlier this week. “After the release of the beautiful but terribly short game The […]

  • Nintendo US eShop update: Mega May returns, Super Smash Bros. update, Mii Fighter costumes

    Nintendo has updated the North American end of the eShop with a Super Smash Bros. update and the StreetPass Mii Plaza games Battleground Z and Ultimate Angler. The update is rather detailed, and a bit larger than normal, and you may wish to pay special attention to the activities listed. Here’s the full update: StreetPass […]

  • Here’s your first look at Sony boss Shuhei Yoshida in Super Time Force Ultra

    Sony Worldwide boss Shuhei Yoshida is a playable character in Super Time Force Ultra, and today, Capy Games has provided a couple images of the man himself in the game. Yoshida was announced as a playable character in the game during Sony’s PlayStation Experience event back in December 2014. The PS4 and Vita version will […]

  • The wait is almost over – The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt has gone gold

    CD Projekt RED has announced the news we’ve all been waiting to hear: The Witcher 3 has gone gold. This means Geralt’s latest, and possibly last, adventure has been sent to the factory to be pressed into lovely gaming discs. “We worked so damn hard over the past three years to bring you this game,” […]

  • Everybody’s Gone to the Rapture is a “couple weeks out from beta,” new trailer

    Everybody’s Gone to the Rapture is just a “couple of weeks out from beta,” according to development studio The Chinese Room, and a release date will be announced “shortly.” To give you an idea of how development has been coming along since it was announced at gamescom 2013, the team has released a new trailer […]

  • GTA 5 on PC looks incredible, but I can’t recommend it to console players

    As much as Matt Martin loves GTA 5, he can’t recommend upgrading from console to PC just for a slick editing suite and even prettier graphics. “This is the third time in as many years that I’ve bought GTA 5.” I have a Grand Theft Auto 5 obsession, as I’m sure you know if you’ve […]

  • The Forest engine updated to Unity 5, major graphical and gameplay improvements made

    The Forest’s latest patch added substantial improvements to the game. The Forest version 0.16 is now live on Steam with plenty of new additions. The game has been ported over to Unity engine version 5. The plant and skin shaders have been replaced or rewritten. Many other visual tweaks have been made, such as model […]

  • Star Wars: Battlefront banner leaks from Star Wars Convention

    EA has been setting up the Battlefront booth at Star Wars Celebration, and one leaked picture shows what could be the game’s main art. Someone on Reddit posted a picture of the game banner at EA’s booth. Here it is: Lots of things happening here. There’s a Star Destroyer in the distance, TIE Fighters and […]

  • Get GTA 5 working with Oculus Rift using this tool

    There’s a way you can play GTA 5 in VR if you own an Oculus Rift Dev Kit and have a bit of cash to spare. VorpX, the go-to program for adding VR support to games has received an update recently to support GTA 5. This is far from perfect, as it only translates the […]

  • FIFA Ultimate Team: week of April 15 team revealed

    This week’s Team of the Week is now available for anyone to challenge in FIFA Ultimate Team. The team members get selected each week based on their performance during the weekend matches. You can fire up FIFA Ultimate Team on any platform and challenge this squad. You’ll also find some Team of the Week items […]

  • Deus Ex: Mankind Divided will let you stealth all encounters, including bosses

    Deus Ex: Mankind Divided will bring back one of the original game’s major features. Deus Ex: Human Revolution is considered by many to be a great game and worthy of bearing the franchise name. One of its grating issues though was its boss fights. You only had one way to fight them: be confrontational. The […]

  • Project Cars PC specs and supported wheels announced

    The release date of Project Cars is inching ever closer and more details have been revealed to answer all your burning questions. Project Cars developer Slightly Mad Studios has revealed the full list of supported steering wheels on all platforms, as well as the minimum and recommended PC specs. Minimum specs CPU – 2.66 GHz […]

  • GTA 5 gets custom FOV mod on PC

    Those not satisfied with GTA 5′s built-in field of view slider can use a new mod to push the number even further. The PC versions of GTA 5 – just like its PS4 and Xbox One counterparts – lets you switch between third and first-person view in shooting and driving. The game has an FOV […]

  • Win! GTA 5 on PC!

    Want to win a Steam key for Grand Theft Auto 5 on PC? Just enter here. GTA 5 released on PC this week and is going down a storm. We like it a lot, which is why we’re giving away a Steam code for Rockstar’s latest. All you need to do is enter your email […]

  • GTA 5 topples Skyrim’s record for highest concurrent players on Steam

    Not factoring in Valve games, GTA 5 is the new king of concurrent player numbers on Steam. GTA 5 is very popular on PC, even more popular than games like Skyrim in its heyday. The number of concurrent players for GTA 5 has peaked today at 301,246. This makes it the only non-Valve game to […]

  • Mortal Kombat X: what does a modern fighting game look like?

    Mortal Kombat continues to evolve as NetherRealm adds RPG systems and daily challenges to a solid fighting game, says Sherif Saed. “Mortal Kombat X takes many cues from games like Destiny, Call of Duty, and GTA Online with hourly, daily and weekly events.” For as many of its familiar facets, Mortal Kombat X has enough […]

  • J-Stars Victory VS+ coming west in June – new trailer

    J-Stars Victory VS+ will make the jump (see what I did there) to the west after all. J-Stars Victory VS+ is the western title for the fighting game which stars characters from a variety of Shonen Jump-published manga. Bandai Namco has announced the fighter will release in Europe on June 26 and in the Americas […]

  • Codemasters F1 license good through 2016

    Codemasters has at least one more F1 game in it. F1 2015 isn’t out yet, so Codemasters is naturally not talking about what it might get up to in the future. We do know what it can get up to, though; Codemasters’ Steven Embling told Videogamer has the option to continue the series. “We have […]

  • Project Cars has pretty deep graphics options on consoles

    Project Cars offers players a wide variety of ways to customise their graphic settings on PS4 and Xbox One. Project Cars is a graphics showcase and all early indications suggest it’s going to be one of the best-looking games out there. Slightly Mad’s commitment to graphics seems to go deeper than making things pretty, though: […]

  • Super Smash Bros. patch nerfs Diddy Kong – report

    Super Smash Bros. 3DS and Wii U is great but Diddy Kong is a beast and must be stopped. The latest Super Smash Bros. 3Ds and Wii U patch seems to have nerfed Diddy Kong, a character so over-powered that serious tournament players generate controversy by choosing to use him. Nintendo doesn’t publish patch notes, […]

  • Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel developer shuttered

    Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel developer 2K Australia has been closed down. Kotaku broke the news, and also had word from an anonymous source, who said that all staff have been let go. 2K responded to our request for comment with the following statement: We can confirm we have taken steps to begin the studio closure process […]

  • Samorost 3 trailer shows Amanita still in fine form

    Samorost 3 looks as delicately beautiful as its siblings. Samarost 3 developer Amanita Design has a reputation for gorgeous, slightly surreal world building. This new trailer for its latest adventure looks just as if not more lovely than the previous Samarost games and Botanicula. Samarost 3 is coming to Mac and PC later this year, […]

  • Amnesia dev’s new project SOMA now in beta

    SOMA is nearly here and I am torn between excitement and horrified dread. SOMA is the latest horror project from Frictional, the team behind Amnesia: The Dark Descent. We’re pretty excited to see what Frictional comes up with next, and we won’t have too long to wait, apparently; the developer has announced that SOMA is […]

  • Steam Guard mobile authenticator now in beta testing

    Steam is now testing its latest security measure. Steam helps you protect your account by offering two-factor authentication, a solution so beautifully elegant and effective that it’s astounding every gaming network doesn’t do the same (looking at you, Sony). Valve’s version is called Steam Guard, and it works via email. This isn’t always super convenient, […]

  • Godzilla battles Mothra in new trailer

    Godzilla lets you stomp around cities and battle classic kaiju. I’m in. Godzilla is coming to PlayStation 3 and PS4 in early July, but we haven’t seen a great deal of it since its December reveal. The new trailer below gives you an idea of just what Natsume has done with one of the biggest […]

  • Tales of Zestiria to launch this year – new trailer

    Tales of Zestiria continues Bandai Namco’s delightful new habit of bringing the popular JRPG series to the west before the shine wears off. Tales of Zestiria is coming west in northern autumn, the publisher has announced. That’s not a bad turnaround, given it first hit Japan in January, and localisation of text-heavy titles is expensive […]

  • Project Cars release date locked down, new trailer released

    Project Cars finally has a release date. Project Cars will release on May 8, Bandai Namco UK has announced. We haven’t yet had an update from Namco Bandai’s other regional offices, but its probably safe to bet the racer will release around the same time in the Americas, Europe and ANZ region. We can now […]

  • Attack on Titan: Humanity in Chains trailer shows combat, online multiplayer

    Attack on Titan: Humanity in Chains has plenty to offer fans of the anime. Previously known as Attack on Titan: The Last Wings of Mankind, the Spike Chunsoft action game is coming west thanks to Atlus. Gematsu reports it’s due in both Europe and North America in May, via the 3DS eShop. The trailer below […]

  • Bloodborne stamina recovery rate affected by equip weight

    Bloodborne players have unearthed an important gameplay detail not mentioned in the game’s menus or manual. In Bloodborne, players need to manage their stamina carefully for best results. A far more aggressively-tuned affair than past Souls games, Bloodborne does away with equip weight limits, and items have no listed weight details. As far as players […]

  • Street Fighter’s Ryu, Fire Emblem’s Roy spotted in Super Smash Bros. patch – rumour

    Street Fighter’s Ryu is rumoured for future Super Smash bros DLC following datamining of the latest patch. Super Smash Bros. 3DS and Wii U were updated recently, and hacker shinyquagsire23 claims to have found some interesting files while poking around in the 3DS patch data. As detailed on Reddit, the audio files included a new […]

  • Suikoden 3 PEGI rating suggests PS2 Classic re-release

    Suikoden. Suikoden 2. And now: Suikoden 3. Suikoden 3 has been rated by PEGI for PlayStation 3, presumably ahead of an upcoming re-release. Gematsu turned up the rating, and although we have no further information at this time, it’s not much a leap to assume the RPG will turn up as a PS2 Classic on […]

  • Star Wars Battlefront gameplay reveal to be streamed live, new Instagram tease

    The Star Wars Battlefront gameplay reveal will be live-streamed during a panel hosted by EA as part of the Star Wars Celebration festivities this Friday. This is according to an announcement from Verizon and Disney courtesy of MP1ST. The main stream for the event kicks off at 10am PDT/1pm EDT on Thursday, April 16. It […]

  • GameStop to launch retro game and console trade-in experiment

    GameStop wants to get into the retro game and console business, providing it’s a worthwhile endeavor. To test the possibility, it will soon allow customers in Birmingham, Alabama and New York City to trade-in classic consoles and games in-store. Speaking with IGN, a spokesperson for the company said the initiative will kick off on April […]