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What really happened to THQ’s unfinished games?

Monday, 17th March 2014 08:43 GMT By Brenna Hillier

The true stories behind Dark Millennium Online, Red Faction: Armageddon, 1666: Amsterdam, South Park and other mysteries from the closing days of THQ, courtesy of former core games boss Danny Bilson.

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This interview is a companion piece to THQ: Where are they now? – a round-up of known facts, rumour and speculation regarding major properties held by THQ at or just before the time of its closure.

Danny Bilson and THQ

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Danny Bilson graduated from California State University, San Bernardino and has a background in Hollywood, TV, comics and video games.

Bilson wrote several games himself, and consulted or worked on multiple EA titles including Medal of Honor and The Sims, before joining THQ in 2008 as executive vice president of core games.

Bilson left THQ in May 2012, replaced by former Naughty Dog boss Jason Rubin.

In December 2012, just seven months later, THQ filed for bankruptcy.

Games are a weird business, with Hollywood celebrity-level consumer interest dogging projects staffed by hundreds of people. Marketing is a gamble, confidentiality is a nightmare, and PR is hampered by a lack of autonomy and the fickle, unpredictable engagement of a hair-trigger audience.

The result of all this is that there’s so much we just don’t know. We’re spoon fed hundreds of soundbites a week, but the goings on behind the curtains are thoroughly obscured. It can be years or even decades before the stories come out.

Once in a while, though, you find someone in a position to talk who has lots to talk about. One such unicorn is one-time THQ core games head Danny Bilson, a well-connected man who had fingers in so many pies he could have gone into glycemic shock with a few absent-minded licks. This friendly and loquacious gentleman agreed to give us the insider goss on some of THQ’s projects, both known and MIA, in the extensive interview below.

Dark Millennium Online

Vigil Games’ ill-fated Warhammer 40K MMO was in the works for about 18 months before Bilson joined THQ, he said. The executive was “a big supporter” of the project, which was a passion project led by former NCSoft staffer David Adams, and which Bilson told us was “really, really exciting”.

Unfortunately, the project kept going on the backburner, first for Darksiders and later for its sequel. But, Bilson said, by the time Darksiders 2 shipped Dark Millennium Online was “well on its way”.

“What happened was, in December of 2011 is sort of when the wheels came off for THQ, and there was a tremendous loss of money in the uDraw situation as well as some tough releases during that year. By the end of the year we had to make cuts,” he said.

Two factors contributed to DMO’s demise. The first is that MMO’s are tremendously expensive to develop. The second is that the MMO business had changed during the years of DMO’s incubation.

“I wanted to see what was happening with MMOs, because it was taking years to make and I was kind of anxiously waiting to see what would happen with the Star Wars MMO at EA, to see if the subscription model is over, or whether it would still work,” Bilson said.

THQ had been toying with several business models for the project but when Star Wars: The Old Republic “wasn’t instantly doing huge numbers and building towards World of Warcraft”, the publisher decided to pull out of the MMO space.

“We knew that weren’t going to be able to go subscription, and then we lost a ton of cash that year. There was no way we could gamble on the big bet like an MMO,” Bilson mourned.

Vigil wasn’t ready to give up; THQ announced the project was to be reworked as a multiplayer RPG.

“I think we were calling it Inquisitor; I can’t remember for sure. They started to design a game that was going to either be free-to-play or pretty low priced point of entry, that was basically going to be a digital PC title with lots of add-on content,” Bilson said.

“We were going to take some of the great stuff they had and redesign it. I remember some things that I really loved, like each player would have their own capital ship and your friends could have quarters on it. You collected all your stuff from your adventures on your ship, and you could customise it.

“Dark Millennium Online became much more like a Borderlands kind of game. It was a four-player co-op jump-in jump out, go on these missions with your friends. I was really excited about that. We felt we could finish that game and ship it within that year.”

“Then it was much more like a Borderlands kind of game. It was a four-player co-op jump-in jump out, go on these missions with your friends. I was really excited about that. With the commitment of that year we felt we could finish that game and ship it within that year, which would have been summer of 2013. It would have been last summer.”

But in the last month of Bilson’s time at THQ, he found himself at loggerheads with some of his colleagues, who wanted the project to be scrapped altogether.

“They felt like, ‘Well, we wrote it off; we cancelled the game; we wrote off the investment; we don’t wanna invest any more in it.’ We had some really heated conversations over it. But ultimately I respectfully did what my boss and some of my partners wanted which was to let it go completely,” he said.

“There was a lot of game let go there that was pretty great. The combat system was really fun; it was fast, it was exciting. The art was really great, the world was coming along. I thought it had tremendous potential.

“I was really disappointed when that second iteration that we were calling Inquisitor got cancelled. That was on a Friday, and Monday – I believe the next work day – I left THQ.”

Bilson’s regret was almost palpable, but he admitted that the project just “didn’t make sense” as an expensive MMO.

“I think that business was over, but I thought the refactoring of it did make sense and that was what I was disappointed about. I think that we, as a team, probably held on to that longer than we should have,” he said.

“In the state that we were in, if that could really hit, it could change the company. Our models weren’t crazy, it had to just work and it could really have helped our company. Brian Farrell and myself and some of the other execs probably held on to that longer than we should in the hopes that it would be a big hit for us.

“But what the team built down in Austin was really exciting and I was very inspired by it. During the whole four and a half years I was there I felt the content they were building was really excellent.”

Dark Millennium Online E3 2011 trailer.

InSane – Guillermo del Toro

Bilson said one of the first things his replacement did after he left was to cancel InSane, returning the rights to its creator, filmmaker Guillermo del Toro.

“I haven’t heard that he’s doing anything with it yet, although I do have an idea how to revive it, and I’m gonna speak to him soon,” Bilson said.

“As much as I can tell you about it is that it was an action adventure game with really great environments, story and characters, and it was period and very Lovecraftian. I don’t wanna spoil it, in the hope that Guillermo wants to go further with it.

“It was really atmospheric, a great world. There were environments in that game that players have never been through before. It had a really interesting narrative, a really great character that the player inhabited in it.

“It was at Volition for at least a year towards the end there. The people who really worked on it were at Volition. There were probably – I don’t remember exactly – about 35 people working on it in preproduction, doing some prototyping and working on some technology, things like that. They were very passionate about it at Volition.”

The first teaser trailer for Insane.

Devil’s Third

Last time we heard from creator Tomonobu Itagaki, he said Valhalla Game Studios intended to release Devil’s Third independently in 2014. What we don’t know is who’s paying for it. Bilson does know, but wasn’t telling.

“I know a whole lot about it. It’s funny because that one there’s gonna be an announcement about soon. I don’t wanna spoil information but I can say I’m very close to Itagaki, and I’m very, very aware of Devil’s Third.

“I can’t say very much because I believe there’s an upcoming announcement beyond what he said in January that’s pretty specific and very, very exciting. Even though I’m not working for any of these guys I have to respect all the confidentialities. There’s an update coming for sure.”

Did uDraw kill THQ?

By February 2012 THQ had been struggling for several years, but it was during its Q3 FY2012 financial report that it revealed just how much pressure it was under, thanks to the failure of peripheral uDraw.

“It wasn’t just that. It was a lot of factors. Certainly uDraw was a big hit that we couldn’t afford to take that loss at that time,” Bilon said.

“But there were other games that didn’t perform as well as we wanted during the year that helped us get into that position. But that was a long road from THQ from great success to going out of business.

“It wasn’t overnight. It went on for years. When I got there in 2008 it was already getting very difficult and our mission was to turn it around.”

Head to the second page for 1666: Amsterdam, South Park and Red Faction: Armageddon.

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3 Comments

  1. The_Red

    Nice interview. I wish Bilson was more forthcoming about a couple of games but overall, it was really nice. RIP THQ.

    #1 6 months ago
  2. ChristopherJack

    I always liked Bilson. One of the few executives who actually appears to know about the games he’s promoting & seems genuinely enthusiastic. Shame of the circumstances that ended one of, if not the most promising publishers of this early decade.

    #2 6 months ago
  3. Legendaryboss

    All those games got good homes now, despite THQ’s successes their ability to turn franchises into failures was baffling.

    A follow up to RF Guerrilla? Was Armageddon? Sold that game after completion of single player and online.

    A follow up to Saints Row 1 & 2 was that abomination SR 3&4: They lost what made 1 and 2 so entertaining.

    Can’t speak for the other franchises, but bottomline early THQ were great, they got worse as time went on.

    #3 6 months ago

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