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Metal Gear Solid 5: ‘Quiet’ PlayArts figure snapped by Kojima

Monday, 20th January 2014 08:39 GMT By Dave Cook

Metal Gear Solid 5: The Phantom Pain’s controversial female sniper Quiet has been immortalised in a new PlayArts Kai figure, which director Hideo Kojima has been taking photos of. See the work-in-progress model here.

Kojima has been taking a ton of photos recently. Here’s a batch showing Metal Gear Solid 5: Ground Zeroes PS4 remote play, second screen map features and the PS4 boot-up screen.

It came from a tweet on Kojima’s personal feed, along with the following image:

You may remember Quiet due to some backlash hurled at Kojima last year for how the character was dressed. The director stressed that the reason for her skimpy outfit would be made clear in time.

What do you make of the Quiet figurine above? Let us know below.

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  1. Fin

    LOLOLOLOL

    I’m sure this’ll help dispel the notion that guys who play games are just man-children.

    #1 8 months ago
  2. Ireland Michael

    “Once you recognize the secret reason for her exposure, you will feel ashamed of your words & deeds.”

    I think we finally understand just what that “secret reason” is, and why we’ll “feel ashamed” for our deeds.

    This figure is even worse than the design in the game. Don’t try to justify jackshit after adding two extra cup sizes to her. No bullshit “reason” makes the actual purpose of her design more transparent than this.

    #2 8 months ago
  3. Ali

    Disgusting.

    Take a look at Mirror Edge 2 Faith and take notes Kojima

    #3 8 months ago
  4. CycloneFox

    Oh it’s that debate again. I know, I might make myself unpopular with some people here, if I write this. But this has to be said:

    Seriously, this is getting on my nerves. MGS is a mature game series and shouldn’t be played by children anyway. It’s more problematic, how women are depicted in the TV nowerdays than this. Games are a kind of art and interfering with such debates or even censoring just hurts it.

    We all already know, that alot of modern gamers seem to be afraid of boobs, for some reason. Instead, they more and more seem to like short hair (what I associate with grannys, where it’s too dificult to care for long hair) and childlike or boylike bodies as a beauty ideal… I mean, what the hell?

    Oh and to behave as a feminist doesn’t make anyone more attractive, btw.

    More @ the topic: I don’t like the figure very much. Some details of the clothing are nice and all. But I don’t like the face so much, have seen much prettier faces on figures. Especially the figures of collectors editions for example of games mostly don’t have good faces, if they are not from manufacturers like Figma, for example.

    #4 8 months ago
  5. Fin

    @4

    “MGS is a mature game series and shouldn’t be played by children anyway.”

    Errr, you wouldn’t know it, looking at that character’s design.
    Mature? More like snickering teenage boys.

    The comparison to TV is invalid – good TV these days (Good Wife, Homeland, Game of Thrones, Girls) all have strong female characters who aren’t just there for their looks.

    #5 8 months ago
  6. Ireland Michael

    @4 ““MGS is a mature game series and shouldn’t be played by children anyway.”

    We clearly have different definitions of maturity.

    Nobody said anything about children not playing this. That’s a different debate all together.

    “We all already know, that alot of modern gamers seem to be afraid of boobs.”

    No, they’re not.

    The issue has nothing to do with the fact that she has her breasts showing and everything to do with the facts that her breasts are showing purely for the sake of male titilation. When you reach a certain age, that sort of thing just becomes cringe worthy.

    “Oh and to behave as a feminist doesn’t make anyone more attractive, btw.”

    I’m going to present a suggestion to you that may potentially blow your mind. So be prepared.

    Are you ready?

    Many of us hold these opinions simply because its what we believe.

    “Games are a kind of art and interfering with such debates or even censoring just hurts it.”

    Nobody is claiming it should be censored. That doesn’t mean we can’t subjectively find it bad.

    “It’s more problematic, how women are depicted in the TV nowerdays than this.”

    Really? Because last time I checked most decent television was advancing leaps and bounds in their representation of women as characters in their own right. Mainly because television has been having the same arguments as video games have. The difference is that television is actually listening,

    #6 8 months ago
  7. mreko3230

    I have no problem with the way Quiet is depicted, but that figure just looks awful. If it looked more like the character from the game I think it would be alright. This design took away the femininity of the character and made it look like Quite has been using steroids.

    #7 8 months ago
  8. CycloneFox

    @5: Of course there are alot of exceptions. I never said, everything in the TV educates children to think women are shells at best and mostly just sex objects. And MGS doesn’t have weak women characters, itself. There is this one scene in MGS with Meryl as a ‘damsel in distress’. But she, like nearly every other woman in MGS, is a really strong character with alot of facets instead of only a one dimensional object, the male protagonist needs to save.

    But the more disturbing/problematic thing, what I see is the already mentioned beauty ideal. Woment today learn in the media, they have to be as thin and skinny as possible, while still looking feminine, which is no way in hell possible. That’s one reason, why I have a big problem with all those calling-themselves-guys running into all forums and blogs and posting how digusting big boobs are and instead take child-like women as the beauty ideal. I hope, you do realize, what’s wrong with that, don’t you?

    And I will stick to this: Even if the sad reality looks different, children mustn’t play video games like this. They should instead play outside, or play games which are suitable for children.

    @7: Totally agree with you.

    @6: It’s not a different debate. It’s actually the most important aspect about the women body depiction debate, wether or not children should see it. Because they are the ones, who need to form an image about women. What adults do with media is left to them.

    #8 8 months ago
  9. Ireland Michael

    Good job missing / ignoring the point.

    #9 8 months ago
  10. CycloneFox

    @9: You are the one, missing / ignoring my point.

    Edit: Of yourse, I’m thanking you for dealing with my post in such a deep manner. I respect the points you have. But I just wanted to state, that not everything is just black and white. It’s not always bad to depict women in Kojima’s way.
    I try to take all of your points seriously. And of course, there is alot of truth in your words. But I try to make a totally different point from what you are refering to.

    #10 8 months ago
  11. Ireland Michael

    @10 No, I’m not, because the problem has absolutely nothing to do with the size of her breasts, and nobody is actually asking for wafer thin women outside of Hollywood.

    The game isn’t made for children… but nobody said it was.

    The age of gamers is rising, and many of us simply find very little appealing in exploitative “sexiness”. We’re not “afraid” of it, we just find it boring and crash and stupid. Nor are we doing it to impress women.

    The only reason she is 90% naked is because she’s female.

    #11 8 months ago
  12. Kreion

    @8
    Yeah, you managed to completely ignore the arguments directed against you and instead start another argument with no evidence to back THAT up either. The question was never if she was weak or not – it was that she simply has no reason to be wearing what she’s wearing other than to draw the male gaze of the player. Why the hell would a sniper want to attract attention?!

    As for your second argument…where’s any evidence to back this up? I can see what you’re implying, but liking petite women doesn’t somehow make you love children in the same way, you ignorant moron. Go back to your cave where only your opinions matter, instead of trying to push the blame for your own ignorance on other flaws in society.

    #12 8 months ago
  13. CycloneFox

    @11: I totally agree with what you are saying on your last post.

    #13 8 months ago
  14. schnide

    @4

    MGS is a mature game series? The definition of mature isn’t this:

    “Being old enough to look at tits if you want to.”

    Mature means dealing with grown-up themes in grown-up ways. Looking at tits for the sake of looking at tits is what you start doing as a little boy.

    #14 8 months ago
  15. Fin

    Yer, the whole point of this being ridiculous is because she’s only designed the way she is so guys get an erection.

    That’s the only reason. And it’s a fuckin ridiculous reason to design something.

    She could be exactly the same character, but dressed more realistically. Her current design feeds into everthing bad that’s thought about games and their players.

    #15 8 months ago
  16. Dragon

    Allow me to hit my head on the wall.

    Seriously, its a character design, nothing else. But oh teh mature guys…

    #16 8 months ago
  17. Ireland Michael

    @16 Sorry for actually having an adult conversation. We’ll make sure to refrain from such silliness in future for fear of causing you more brain damage from prolonged wall smashing.

    #17 8 months ago
  18. FeaturePreacher

    I think it’s an OK design. Although, I wonder if this toy is made by the same people who made the following: http://www.destructoid.com//ul/263019-/s003s-620x.jpg

    #18 8 months ago
  19. CycloneFox

    @14&15: I totally see your point and agree with you. And I think, I got a little carried away. The topic was just getting on my nerves for quite some time and this topic with the first few post, was the straw to break the camel’s back. One was refering to the problematic depiction of women debate, one was stating, her breasts are too big (of course, in reference to the figure, not the ingame-character, okay) and one even said, that all game-designers should orient to some EA-game charcter design. That’s why I got a little offtopic.

    Actually I don’t really like what I see from Quites character design yet and hope, that the game will save it somehow.
    Edit: Let’s be fair anyway, Quiet is living in Africa. No one would like to dress high-necked there. Her design is just a little too sexy.
    But my points up there are more in general and don’t necessarily refere to quiets cahracter design.

    I have to admit, anyway, that I more likely buy games with attractive women on it, than games with a guy carrying a gun. And I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. The main problem is parents tend to confuse games with childrens games because of words like ‘game’ or ‘play’ which is still suggesting something for kids.

    #19 8 months ago
  20. CyberMarco

    Are those real or implants? :P

    On a serious note, I agree with Michael, Fin(!) and the rest who said that this character’s representation is just a penis(fan)-service. But I wouldn’t say it’s a (huge) issue. There are other things to get upset regarding MGS.

    ***SPOILER ALERT FOR MGS4***

    I just finished MGS4 the past week (yeah I know, don’t judge me) and I would say that the Beauty & Beast characters are more prone to be criticized. Don’t know if there was any controversy raised back when the game was released.

    #20 8 months ago
  21. FeaturePreacher

    @20 There wasn’t since no flesh was exposed. White knights only react to that. Did you shake the controller when you had conversations with Rose?

    #21 8 months ago
  22. Hybridpsycho

    Oh look, it’s this again. I can’t believe you guys are actually giving a fucking rats ass about this.

    It’s just fucking boobs get over it.

    #22 8 months ago
  23. CycloneFox

    @20: Actually, Kojima wanted the Beauty & Beast characters to be absolutely naked ingame for the end of each battle. For obvious reasons that never happened. But Isee your point there. There was no reason for the Beauty & Beast or some of the scenes with naomi, to be so sexy. In MGS3 for example, even my wife said, it’s totally fine how Eva was depicted, as she had her reasons to do, what she did. She and The Boss were really deep and goog cahracters, but MGS4 was sadly missing that point for Naomi and the Beauty & Beast cahracters.

    #23 8 months ago
  24. Dirk

    @2

    Stop sexualizing plastic figures, why are you checking out cup sizes?

    Let’s have a quick look at this.

    People criticizing the way a woman looks? Yes.
    People criticizing the way a woman dresses? Yes.

    Keep fighting the good fight people…

    #24 8 months ago
  25. Ireland Michael

    @21 Women in the franchise have almost universally been portrayed terribly, as far back as Sniper Wolf wearing her outfit unzipped to her mid-drift… in freezing arctic temperatures.

    Rose was an insulting character because all she did was patronise Raiden and complain, and served no purpose in the story other than to act as an emotional foil, with no development as a character outside of how she progresses the male lead. She’s fairly disliked by a lot of fans for this reason.

    Don’t try to simplify people’s views on the subject just so you can shove them into a comfortable little box to fit with your accusations.

    @23 MGS3 was the one time when Kojima actually got it right.

    @24 “People criticizing the way a woman looks? Yes.
    People criticizing the way a woman dresses? Yes.”

    I’m not criticising the way a woman looks and dresses, because she isn’t a real woman. I’m criticising its value as a piece of art.

    #25 8 months ago
  26. FeaturePreacher

    @25 There’s no need to shoehorn anyone when they consistently do that themselves. Just wait for Soul Calibur 6 to appear and watch the predictable complaints from white knights to pop up.

    #26 8 months ago
  27. Ireland Michael

    @26 Except they’re not and you’re making broad assumptions on an entire group of people that aren’t actually accurate. The criticism of Rose being just one example.

    Google “Objectification”. The problem isn’t with women being sexy.

    While you’re at it, also google “Patriarchy”.

    Its ironic that you mention Soul Calibur VI, considering that V is the first time in the series in a long while that they actually toned it down. Ivy isn’t even hanging out of her clothes in this one, for once.

    Soul Calibur isn’t claiming itself to be smart or artistically relevant though. Metal Gear Solid on the other hand. You don’t go into a pornography film expecting fine art.

    #27 8 months ago
  28. CyberMarco

    Regarding the B&B, I meant the character’s back-story and all those creepy details regarding their lives, rather than their appearance.

    During some moments in MGS4 I had a “Resident Evil-esque” feeling, with all those twisted things regarding the B&Bs, the FOXDIE virus etc. I could totally see Kojima making a Silent Hills games, as he mentioned in the past.

    @21 I missed that part, but I know what you mean! ;)

    #28 8 months ago
  29. Joe Musashi

    This is obviously because.. ..nanomachines.

    Also, for a series that has habitually had the player staring at a guy’s butt for most of its life the distress exhibited at this is bemusingly hypocritical.

    Videogames.

    JM

    #29 8 months ago
  30. _LarZen_

    Games about killing, killing and more killing. Focus on weapons and killing.

    No problem!

    Sexy female. DISGUSTING and DISTURBING!

    Brainwashed people are always entertaining to read. Keep it up.

    #30 8 months ago
  31. absolutezero

    I think everyone needs a long tall glass of check your privilege.

    /tips fedora.

    #31 8 months ago
  32. Ireland Michael

    @30 Brainwashed?

    Picking up a gun and choosing to fight is a *choice*. Eva *choose* to use her body as a weapon in that particular game. It was relevant to her character and the story. This is tits for tits sakes.

    Violence for violence sake is just as stupid and open to the exact same criticism.

    #32 8 months ago
  33. absolutezero

    Playarts Kai are really fucking terrible as well. Its Squares range of super poseable action figure, not a patch on the superior Figma.

    #33 8 months ago
  34. Fin

    Man, ye lot are great at telling other people why they’re annoyed aren’t ye?

    Here’s my point, it’s not to do with realism or whatever, and I’m not DISGUSTED etc:

    It’s that anyone that doesn’t play games will look at this and roll their eyes. It creates a bad impression of the target audience.

    That’s not how we broaden the player base for games, it’s not how we grow as an art form and a medium, and it’s certainly not how we encourage more girls in the industry.

    That’s it, that’s the core problem.

    #34 8 months ago
  35. absolutezero

    What if thats not a problem for other people?

    Being deadly serious here as well. What if I don’t give a shit about the public at larges perception of video games? What if I think the medium will grow and develop regardless of fans hand wringing over silly things?

    #35 8 months ago
  36. Ireland Michael

    @35 If a game wants to claim to be valid art, it has to be open to scrutiny of its quality as such.

    There is a reason M. Night Shyamalan is not held is high regard as a master of his art. If Kojima wants to keep pretending his work is worthy of that sort of acclaim, his work has to live up to it.

    This is the equivalent of sticking Scarlet O’Hara in a one piece.

    #36 8 months ago
  37. silkvg247

    Well it’s certainly turned me off the game, and I like women! :p

    She looks like an alien. Skinny neck, disproportionate thighs and boobs. She frankly looks weird.

    If that’s some guys idea of sexy.. man.. I just have no words.

    #37 8 months ago
  38. CycloneFox

    @33: Totally agree with you. That’s why I don’t like most firegures in collectors editions, etc.

    @34: That point seems legit. I think, what I said before, that non-gamers/parents mostly suggest ‘games’ are something to ‘play’ with for kids, is a big problem that adds to your point. That is why I think it is important to keep children from games, they are too young for. Instead, people are always blaming the games and the gamers.

    @36: Art needs to be free of censorship and fear of critizism. It shouldn’t be influenced by gamers who are afraid of how the public eye will look at them when they enjoy games.

    #38 8 months ago
  39. absolutezero

    Wait wait wait games themselves are now claiming to be valid pieces of art?

    When did that happen?

    Thank fuck the movie industry never went through this horse shit. I’m sorry Universal Monster movies your worth to the human experience has been found lacking if we want the medium of cinema to mature and expand we must expunge you from existence.

    #39 8 months ago
  40. Ireland Michael

    @39 Kojima himself is the one always going about the deep themes and social commentary and blah blah blah of his games.

    Most video games are disposable toys at best. Kojima is the one claiming they can be more. This isn’t the way of proving it.

    “Thank fuck the movie industry never went through this horse shit.”

    Are you kidding?

    #40 8 months ago
  41. absolutezero

    Still not seeing how saying a game has darker themes than whats come before is “claiming” its a serious work of art. Actually the only developer that comes to mind that claimed his work was art was Phil Fish. Funny that.

    You are making those connections and using them as a jumping off point to get riled. rabble rabble rabble.

    All video games are disposable toys, just like most works of fiction, most of cinema and almost all modern music. Theres nothing wrong with that. I think I prefer that.

    I think I would much rather have my comic books and my video games and sit in a corner and pretend there are’nt people out there that are so ashamed of their hobby they want to intrinsically change how it works to make them feel better.

    “Oh no its to help them grow into beautiful mature artistic butterflies! and not at all to do with me not being able to tell people I love videogames at dinner parties because they will look at me funny.”

    Thats pretty much how I see almost all of RPS’ output right now. We need to change and mature to make me feel better. I am offended and that makes me right. blah blah blah.

    #41 8 months ago
  42. RaikoRis

    “Culture Gap”

    #42 8 months ago
  43. Ireland Michael

    I’m not “offended” by it. I just find it stupid.

    #43 8 months ago
  44. ignisbadguy

    @40
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/news240106kojimaart
    Pointless discussion aside, Quiet’s design is pretty ugly :P

    #44 8 months ago
  45. absolutezero

    Now you’ve done it!!

    Japan’s culture is wrong. Its insidious and needs to completely change! It makes me uncomfortable!

    I AM OFFENDED AND IT IS UNACCEPTABLE!!

    UNACCEPTABLEEEEEEEEEEEE

    http://youtu.be/07So_lJQyqw

    #45 8 months ago
  46. _LarZen_

    @32

    And what is wrong with tits for tits sake? Or men pumped so full of steroids they cant scratch their back?

    I don’t see people going nuts about the XXX games that stereotype men?!

    This is like watching crazy Americans go nuts like when Janet Jackson had heir nipple shown at Super Bowl. And that is just one example of many.

    I find the entire situation embarrassing. Not because of how the female character “Quite” look. But because gaming sites focus on the sexual part and act like it’s horrible,disturbing,wrong and actively make bad focus towards it and make it out to be a big problem when it’s not.

    #46 8 months ago
  47. schnide

    @30

    “Games about killing, killing and more killing. Focus on weapons and killing.

    No problem!

    Sexy female. DISGUSTING and DISTURBING!

    Brainwashed people are always entertaining to read. Keep it up.”

    Fail. You need to advance your argument past that high school simplicity.

    Killing in most games is at least justified by some wafer-thin moral righteousness. It’s not just killing for fun’s sake, even if you do get some enjoyment out of it.. because that would just be murder. There have only been a few games which tried that (Thrill Kill, Manhunt etc.) and they were rightly called out for that. In MGS, Snake is a grizzled veteran who doesn’t enjoy killing but does it for a cause.

    In contrast, this ‘sexiness’ of Quiet, if you really do find it sexy, is just there to give you a hard-on and make you part with your dollars or pounds. So that’s a virtual woman, designed by a man, that you find sexy.

    There’s no reason for her to be dressed like that otherwise. More to the point, it works against the context of the game itself, because it doesn’t make sense for her to wear that in a combat environment.

    So after all that, tell us – do you enjoy being given a boner by a man for money? :D

    #47 8 months ago
  48. Joe Musashi

    I am disgusted by thing!
    You should be disgusted by thing too!
    Here are the reasons I think you should feel how I feel about thing.
    You are still not feeling the same as me? You are wrong.
    Now I am more disgusted and you are to blame.

    etc

    JM

    #48 8 months ago
  49. Ireland Michael

    @44 The title is lazy, and Kojima bounces back and forth if you read the actual article.

    “Kojima went on to discuss the nature of interactivity, using the example of concept cars. “You don’t have to be able to drive a car, but if it’s called a car and it has artistic elements in the visuals, then it’s art.”

    Just replace the word car with video game.

    #49 8 months ago
  50. absolutezero

    As strange as it seems Mike I’m not directly refering to you in my posts, not 100% anyway. More the internet at large tumblr massif.

    I’ve mentioned it multiple times before in many different threads but I also think Quiet’s design is atrocious, just from a purely aesthetic point of view. Its terrible in relation to the rest of the cast from the same game (and thats saying something when one of the bad guys is The Red Skull) and the rest of the series as a whole. I’ve come to expect far more from Shinkawa and this just seems lazy, its clashing, its jarring and its ugly.

    #50 8 months ago
  51. absolutezero

    @47

    Did you just berate someones argument and then go onto shoe horn in a gay insult at the end?

    Really? Jesus Christ.

    “There’s no reason for her to be dressed like that otherwise.”

    How would you know this? Really, humour me.

    #51 8 months ago
  52. Fin

    Yup, I want the industry to have the same prestige and respect as TV, film and music.
    Indie games are a start, but we’re never going to get there if this is considered good character design.

    #52 8 months ago
  53. Jet Black

    The action figure is described as being “Work In Progress”, Guess they’ve still got to design some clothes then…

    #53 8 months ago
  54. Ireland Michael

    @46 “And what is wrong with tits for tits sake? Or men pumped so full of steroids they cant scratch their back?”

    Nothing, if that’s what you want.

    Like I said, you don’t go into a pornography film expecting social commentary. And vica versa.

    “I don’t see people going nuts about the XXX games that stereotype men?!”

    Nobody is “going nuts”. It’s an incredibly narrow view to assume that just because people are critically examining something or think about it on anything more than a simple level that they’re “going nuts”.

    Meathead guys in meathead games are just as stupid as this whole Quiet design is, as far as I’m concerned. Nothing bores me faster than a bunch of guys shouting and screaming at each other while bullets rain overhead. Or excessive gore purely for the sake of it.

    Don’t assume that everyone shares one set view on this stuff.

    @50 Thank you for understanding the simple issue here: context.

    @52 “but we’re never going to get there if this is considered good character design.”

    We’re never going to get there as long as Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy are considered the pinnacle of video game storytelling.

    #54 8 months ago
  55. fihar

    For me, the problem isn’t so much Quiet’s clothing, or a lack thereof, but rather Kojima’s insistence on claiming that there is actually some deeper context on why she’s dressed like that.

    When he said that he just wanted to make Quiet sexy, it could’ve ended there. It’s not totally okay, but at least I’d understand.

    #55 8 months ago
  56. efnaldinho

    @49

    “Kojima went on to discuss the nature of interactivity, using the example of concept video game. “You don’t have to be able to drive a video game, but if it’s called a video game and it has artistic elements in the visuals, then it’s art.”

    Yeah mate, that makes a lot of sense.

    #56 8 months ago
  57. Jet Black

    Here’s one for the ladies out there…

    http://b.imdoc.fr/private/1/private-category/photo/3305180330/545665590e/private-category-sc-img.jpg

    #57 8 months ago
  58. absolutezero

    Its funny that the only time I ever see people complaining about man-hunk characters in video games is in reply to people pointing out that no one complains about man-hunk characters in video games.

    #58 8 months ago
  59. efnaldinho

    Can I also say, having not played the game nor been privy to almost all of the cutscenes, I feel especially qualified to say that Quiet is what is keeping video games from being embraced by the alumni of Oxbridge.

    #59 8 months ago
  60. ignisbadguy

    @56
    It’s Kojima, his words never make sense.

    #60 8 months ago
  61. efnaldinho

    @60 I think you might need to see the 49th post to not look like an embarrassment.

    #61 8 months ago
  62. Ireland Michael

    @58 You don’t remember the half year or so when everyone used to accuse me of being an Xbot who hated Sony because I complained that God of War was a soulless franchise whose only selling point was its tastelessly excessive gore and grotesquely violent protagonist?

    I regularly berate games for being violence for violence sake.

    #62 8 months ago
  63. Fin

    @59

    Nah bro, just symptomatic innit.

    #63 8 months ago
  64. schnide

    @51

    Is your username related to the amount of value your posts contribute? There was absolutely no gay insult whatsoever. Don’t try and force any homophobia you might have on me. The OP was saying that he found Quiet sexy. My question was whether he still found Quiet sexy knowing that she’s created from the mind of a man.

    And to answer your second question, because female snipers aren’t dressed like that. And if Kojima does have this earth-shattering literary masterpiece of a background for her, he’s doing “her” and himself a disservice by just putting the image of her out there to appear as nothing but fan-wank material.

    #64 8 months ago
  65. Ireland Michael

    Just for comparison sake…

    Another famous character in a desert: http://gematsu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/UC3-Desert-Village-Media.jpg

    #65 8 months ago
  66. absolutezero

    Yeah thats why you felt the need to bookend it with a cheeky passive aggressive smiley.

    Would you say the same thing about the great works of art through out history that have been created for titillation? Most of those were created by men, actually what about wank material created by women are those somehow more acceptable? Skullgirls comes to mind there.

    That should also be “because snipers” are’nt dressed like that, just like there are no men with skull heads leading para-military groups and Metal Gears are not a thing.

    #66 8 months ago
  67. schnide

    @Ireland Michael

    You, sir, talk a lot of sense – as in, you can actually make an argument, rather than just start one.

    #67 8 months ago
  68. Ireland Michael

    @67 I think absolutezero is making arguments just as good (if not better) than mine.

    But thank you. Your comment makes a refreshing change from “u gay ass boob hating xbot fsggot!1!!”

    #68 8 months ago
  69. absolutezero

    http://uk.playstation.com/media/2uTIcmJk/UnearthedTrailOfIbnBattuta_Hero.jpg

    This is an even better example. This is how you do it.

    #69 8 months ago
  70. schnide

    @66

    “Passive aggressive smilie”? Take your horny fanboy rage somewhere else mate. We’re trying to have a grown-up discussion here.

    Give me an example of such artworks. Yes – if the goal of that art was designed to titilate and clearly works in context, unashamedly of that goal, then yes. In contrast, MGS can be just as successful a girl on its own merits instead of needing to resort to big tits wrapped in string.

    And finally, exactly. When skull-headed paramilitary leaders and metal gears are more believable than a big-titted girl dressed in a bikini who can operate a sniper rifle in a combat environment, then yes, we have a problem.

    #70 8 months ago
  71. Ireland Michael

    @69 Its a pity Unearthed is terrible.

    The female character was designed that way because it is a “MENA” (Google it) game, unfortunately. Just appealing to the tastes of the market. Breasts sell in the west I guess. *shrug*

    @70 You’re being unnecessarily snide (wait, now I get it…) towards absolutezero.

    #71 8 months ago
  72. efnaldinho

    Schnide is having a mare here.

    Can’t believe you’re insinuating that a girl can’t use a sniper rifle.

    Unbelievable.

    #72 8 months ago
  73. schnide

    @71 @72

    No, I’m not (to either of your points). I was accused of gaybashing, so I’ll defend myself against that as vigorously as I like.

    #73 8 months ago
  74. Tormenter

    Kojima has been in the news a LOT more than usual these days. Do you think he’s beginning to catch on to his increasing irrelevence and is just whoring himself out to say “I’m still design god11!!1″?

    He’s not of course.

    #74 8 months ago
  75. Ireland Michael

    @74 Twitter happened.

    #75 8 months ago
  76. Djoenz

    Wahahahahahaahahah what a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #76 8 months ago
  77. Dragon

    I am not offended by it, but being a mature guy, I will still come on every such page and bash games and Japan.

    All in the name of being a mature guy.

    Seriously mature guys, learn something called TOLERANCE. Its not for you, move on.

    Also, give me a break. Ever seen such things in movies and books. Yup. Its just that they dont have mature guys shouting on internet about it.
    For a change, learn to be mature, will ya?

    #77 8 months ago
  78. Ireland Michael

    @77 Who is bashing Japan?

    “Ever seen such things in movies and books. Yup. Its just that they dont have mature guys shouting on internet about it.”

    I’m pretty sure Roger Ebert made a living doing just that.

    In fact, I’m pretty sure movie critics in general are more critical of their particular hobby than most video game journalists are of video games. Which is sad.

    #78 8 months ago
  79. Tormenter

    @75

    I was right then, whoring.

    #79 8 months ago
  80. Dragon

    And? So you are Roger Ebert of video games?

    Do you also go to movie and TV shows forums and bash needless sex scenes that are rampant in western media?

    Personally, I hate shows like Game of Thrones etc. for needless violence and sex scenes and so on. But I understand people like it, and turn the other way.
    Seems better option to me than going to every forum page and regurgitating same over and over again.
    “We heard ya the first time”. Funny you say that to salarta and yet do the same thing on every such damn page.

    #80 8 months ago
  81. RaikoRis

    Its a fan service.
    http://jp.learnoutlive.com/fan-service-what-it-means-and-why/
    “Japan has conservative factions, but they have, as yet, failed to make a dramatic dent in Japanese society’s tolerance of raciness and fan service. After all, it is not a country in the sway of a global monotheistic religion. Much of the argument for censorship is based on what Westerners will think of them.”

    #81 8 months ago
  82. Ireland Michael

    @80 Except I don’t. I post on lots of different threads about lots of different topics. Regularly positive.

    But positive news rarely gets reactions out of people, so it tends to get skimmed over.

    I like Metal Gear Solid, for the record. You can like something and still be critical of it. This may surprise you.

    #82 8 months ago
  83. Dragon

    @81,
    Yup. And some people just are that, too conservative.

    Why do I care about what others enjoy?

    @82,
    Call me when you visit a thread containing even a hint “sexy/anti-feminist” art and dont go an a barrage of needless bashing, along with “otakus suck”, and adding a bit of “lol Japan”.

    Mature guys suck more in my humble opinion.

    #83 8 months ago
  84. StephonTooley

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    #84 8 months ago
  85. Ireland Michael

    @83 You do understand that otaku is a derogatory term, right?

    I’m not quite sure how that equates to “bashing Japan”.

    #85 8 months ago
  86. Stardog

    @52 “Yup, I want the industry to have the same prestige and respect as TV, film and music.

    Indie games are a start, but we’re never going to get there if this is considered good character design.”

    We’ll only get that when hipsters stop getting outraged at every sight of cleavage, and stop telling creators how characters should be designed.

    #86 8 months ago
  87. jon_

    So many comments about sexism, feminism and such, but nobody said anything about the joints of the figure, they look horrible.

    #87 8 months ago
  88. Fin

    @Stardog

    “We’ll only get that when hipsters stop getting outraged at every sight of cleavage, and stop telling creators how characters should be designed.”

    Man you’re smart aren’t ya. The reason games aren’t held up like film or tv isn’t because they’re perceived as being juvenile, but because people complain about them being juvenile!

    Where’d you get your PhD in equality, if you don’t mind me asking?

    #88 8 months ago
  89. Ireland Michael

    @86 Nobody has a problem with cleavage. And nobody is telling the creator to change it

    They’re simply saying that they personally think it isn’t a very good design. Reactionary accusations at people with different opinions don’t help to foster good debate.

    That seems to be the difference between gaming and othe mediums. Other mediums can actual discuss critical opinions of the artform without having a hernia or insulting everyone with a different opinion.

    Hipsters? Seriously?

    @88, But Fin, it’s not gaming’s fault that the hobby is treated as the domain of agressive, anti social lunatics! It’s everyone else’s! I’LL RIP YOUR HEAD OFF IF YOU DONT AGREE!

    #89 8 months ago
  90. Djoenz

    Some ppl just dont get it man. Full retard mode!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Shitty design, boobs for boobs sake. Her flesh will be scorched in the desert..mmmm I love bacon!

    Then Playarts comes along and Kojima takes a pic of it to show off and the way he is trying to justify it and get back at the complainers.

    I’ll be damned. The gaming industry will never progress with rubbish like this.
    If you are going to compare games to movies etc. then seriously would you take a female sniper like this in any live action movie or show seriously?

    I love boobs but this is just pathetic.

    #90 8 months ago
  91. Legendaryboss

    I don’t care and neither should you all, it is a video game stop giving virtual reality such high and/or moral standards.

    This is roughly the same thing i said last time, condensed.

    No one cared when Johnny was butt naked in MGS 1 but we are all in a tizzy over Quiet who is still clothed somewhat.

    #91 8 months ago
  92. Dragon

    ^+1

    There are loads of “erotic” books, movies with porn, violence and so on.
    And those are supposedly “more mature” medium of entertainment.

    So, “mature gamers”, why doesn’t “juvenile” video games also have that stuff? Oh wait, they cannot even digest some skin, let alone much more.

    Its all about diversity in the end. If you really think you represent a fight to “mature” the video game industry, then you are sorely mistaken.
    You are just doing the opposite, that is, keep games sanitized for kids.

    Let and let live. Too hard to follow?

    #92 8 months ago
  93. Hybridpsycho

    Oh no, women characters are being objectified in a game, hurr durr.

    *Looks at all the male characters* Same amount, if not more objectification.

    #93 8 months ago
  94. Fin

    @92

    You’re talking shit really. This ain’t about eroticism or skin or whatever. It’s dressing a female character for sex appeal. Nothing else. Just sex appeal. I, and others, feel like this isn’t a great way for the medium to show its maturity.

    Too hard to follow?

    It’s cool if you just want to say we hate boobs, and that we hate diversity (nice one working that word in by the way).

    @93

    Ya! Wait. No.

    #94 8 months ago
  95. Dragon

    @94,
    Ok.
    So, what is your problem if someone likes “sex appeal”. Who are you to decide if its mature or not?

    These kinds of things exist in all other forms of entertainment for AGES. And you think this shows games in a bad light?

    Please.

    #95 8 months ago
  96. monkeygourmet

    I like the fact she has ripped her leggings / tights but decided to keep them on anyway…

    “I would be naked without them!!!” :)

    #96 8 months ago
  97. Fin

    @95

    |Who are you to decide if its mature or not?

    Really? You think a female character in a game about war and killing being dressed in a bikini is mature?

    |These kinds of things exist in all other forms of entertainment for AGES. And you think this shows games in a bad light?

    Other entertainment doesn’t have to contend with a stereotyped audience – people who play games are perceived to be male, white, straight, 16-32, single, socially awkward. Something like this just perpetuates the stereotype.

    Do you honestly think that someone outside the games industry would see that character design and think “I’m sure there’s a great mature story to go along with it”.

    #97 8 months ago
  98. Hcw87

    The funny thing is that MGS games have ALLWAYS been over the top, with unrealistic characters. Why should MGS 5 be different? Did you expect it to suddenly turn into a fully realistic game?

    Also, it’s a japanese game. Japanese games allways have sexy women in them (but thankfully in this case, it’s not child-like characters like in certain other games).

    #98 8 months ago
  99. Fin

    @98

    I like to think people’s attitudes change ;)

    #99 8 months ago
  100. Hcw87

    I don’t think men will ever stop liking to stare at boobs. And people will exploit that until the end of time.

    #100 8 months ago
  101. Legendaryboss

    Me. The Wonderful 101.

    #101 8 months ago
  102. Panthro

    You are still all arguing about this? Get over yourselves jesus its a character they have created they can do whatever the fuck they like.

    I can understand if you went into the game not knowing about her and then got aggressively offended (I actually can’t really) but he has already made the games series titillation very clear ever since MGS1 so you are all wasting your time arguing about it. Move on with your lives.

    #102 8 months ago
  103. Ireland Michael

    @98 We have very different definitions of what constitutes sexy.

    #103 8 months ago
  104. Hcw87

    @103
    The majority of men in the world will look at her character ingame and think she’s sexy.

    That shit sells. So it’s smart business practice, that’s all. Aslong as the characters looks like they are of legal age, i have no problem with this whatsoever.

    I also doubt that anyone who’s interested in playing the game (as in MGS fans or action game fans in general) will choose NOT to play the game just because of this character. There are far worse things in the world to be legitimately upset about.

    #104 8 months ago
  105. Panthro

    @103

    What I imagine your definition of sexy is…

    http://imgur.com/g3B0yr1

    @104

    I like girls… But I have never bought a game just because it has nudity or ‘sxc grls’ in it.

    Does it really ‘sell’ games? IMO I doubt it does.

    #105 8 months ago
  106. Fin

    @105

    Dude, America Ferrera is hot as FUCK.

    #106 8 months ago
  107. Panthro

    @106

    That’s not really America Ferrara thought is it…

    It’s a character she plays called Ugly Betty, and in that picture she is not ‘hot as FUCK’ ;)

    Maybe in real life she is, but not dressed like that.

    I only chose an Ugly Betty picture because I couldn’t be bothered to find a picture of a hipster-ish girl who has the dress sense of a 70 year old librarian.

    #107 8 months ago
  108. Ireland Michael

    @104 “The majority of men in the world will look at her character ingame and think she’s sexy.”

    Then I think the majority of men have very low standards.

    But I don’t actually think most men think that way, I think most will look at this for five seconds and think it’s stupid.

    “That shit sells. So it’s smart business practice, that’s all.”

    And that is what separates entertainment from art.

    “I also doubt that anyone who’s interested in playing the game (as in MGS fans or action game fans in general) will choose NOT to play the game just because of this character. There are far worse things in the world to be legitimately upset about.”

    MGS fans… like myself?

    @105 Not even close.

    #108 8 months ago
  109. Hcw87

    @105
    It doesn’t sell the game in itself, it just helps to some extent. They won’t have LESS sales because they have sexy characters in it. Far from it.

    @108
    You’re in the minority here. If they recieved the same backlash like MS did at E3 then they’d change it for sure. I just don’t see it happening.

    This is such a small thing to be upset about.

    Start looking at the anime inspired games instead (Persona for example). There you have characters that look like they’re 10-12 being naked in showers. THAT is something to be upset about.

    #109 8 months ago
  110. Panthro

    http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=45446698

    Closer?

    #110 8 months ago
  111. Ireland Michael

    @109 “You’re in the minority here.”

    I don’t think I am.

    I appreciate class over crass, and I’m of the belief that most women do too.

    I guess this is the difference between being old and being young.

    “Start looking at the anime inspired games instead (Persona for example).”

    I have criticised Persona in the past for it’s fairly tasteless visual depiction of teenage girls, so that seems like an odd example to bring up. In fact, I brought up that very example recently.

    #111 8 months ago
  112. Hcw87

    @111
    I meant in general that people should start looking into those games instead of overanalyzing this particular game. It’s just nowhere near bad enough to have a serious discussion over.

    #112 8 months ago
  113. Ireland Michael

    @112 That is definitely true.

    #113 8 months ago
  114. Dragon

    @97,
    “Other entertainment doesn’t have to contend with a stereotyped audience – people who play games are perceived to be male, white, straight, 16-32, single, socially awkward. Something like this just perpetuates the stereotype.”
    It doesn’t. And you are over-exaggerating the “stereotype”.
    And really, I doubt such thing exists. Even if it does, it will eventually fade away with time as games become an older medium of entertainment.

    ____________________________
    Gaming is an universal form of entertainment enjoyed in various forms by various people. And people have no business to question what others enjoy, as long as its permissible by law.

    Everyone has his own morality meter, inspired by his culture and surroundings, it would be so better if people can respect others too.

    You are upset with something? Fine. Let others enjoy and turn your face to other side. Its a small thing called “TOLERANCE“, something I feel is lacking in many people here.

    #114 8 months ago
  115. dtyk

    While I too think the design is ridiculous, I’m surprised why no one shits on Marvel/DC Heroines or basically 90 percent of American Media.

    Plus, this “ridiculous” scantily clad sniper is featured in a game that has a flaming exploding whale soaring in the sky that’s had a history of featuring cyborg ninjas and immortal sexual vampire. She seems relatively normal compared to the rest of the setting.

    #115 8 months ago
  116. Ireland Michael

    @115 “While I too think the design is ridiculous, I’m surprised why no one shits on Marvel/DC Heroines or basically 90 percent of American Media.”

    DC: While many of these women may be scantily clad, they are portrayed as powerful, emotionally independent characters who can go toe to toe with their male counterparts. Women don’t have a problem with looking sexy. Women have a problem with sexual design used at the expense of character.

    Marvel: Marvel rarely does this anymore, and has largely moved past this comic book stereotype in recent years. This is the cover of their latest all girl superhero team.

    American media: American media in recent years has made huge steps in the way it portrays female characters. See for example: The Hunger Games, Brave, Frozen, Kick Ass and most science fiction shows for the past 20 years.

    Hollywood is quickly coming around to the fact that female led movie are in fact a huge money maker.

    Shitty exploitation TV is still made, but it gets called out on it when it happens and isn’t given a free pass. Neither should video games.

    The assumption that other media isn’t called on this crap is flat out bull. Movie critics especially are far more willing and likely than video game journalists to be critical of their medium’s output.

    This might surprise many of you, but those of us criticising this are not actually prudes.

    #116 8 months ago
  117. insomnianicrockdog

    @Ireland Michael You know what you should do? Write a letter to Konami or simply don’t buy the game if it goes against your morals. It’s FAR better than nagging about it hear.

    #117 8 months ago
  118. salarta

    You know, I’ve realized something over the past few months. According to society…

    This is a feminist icon: http://www.xenacentral.net/wp-content/uploads/photo/XenaWarriorPrincess022-Ar.jpg
    This is an anti-feminist icon: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7a/Lara_Croft.png

    At this point, I think bitching about showing too much skin is just bitching. Now the reasons for how much skin is showing, that’s a different story.

    #118 8 months ago

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