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Valve: multiple SteamOS machines will release in 2014, shipping 300 to testers

Wednesday, 25th September 2013 18:00 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

Valve has released information for its Steam Box system which runs the recently announced Linux-based SteamOS. Beginning in 2014, there will be multiple SteamOS machines to choose from, made by different manufacturers.

While these products are still in development, according to the firm, it wants user input to ensure the “right products are getting made is to let people try them out and then make changes” as development goes along.

“We have designed a high-performance prototype that’s optimized for gaming, for the living room, and for Steam. Of course, it’s also completely upgradable and open,” said the firm.

“Entertainment is not a one-size-fits-all world. We want you to be able to choose the hardware that makes sense for you, so we are working with multiple partners to bring a variety of Steam gaming machines to market during 2014, all of them running SteamOS.

“This year we’re shipping just 300 of these boxes to Steam users, free of charge, for testing. You can make yourself eligible to get one.”

In order to be considered, you can add yourself to the list of candidates by completing the Eligibility Quest on Steam.

Here’s how: Before October 25, log in to Steam and then visit your quest page to track your current status towards beta test eligibility:

  1. Join the Steam Universe community group
  2. Agree to the Steam Hardware Beta Terms and Conditions
  3. Make 10 Steam friends (if you haven’t already)
  4. Create a public Steam Community profile (if you haven’t already)
  5. Play a game using a gamepad in Big Picture mode

A small number of users -30 or less – will be chosen based on their past community contributions and beta participation, and the remainder will be chosen at random from the eligible pool.

The firm is conducting a beta of the overall Steam living-room experience, and said that the specific machines it’s testing are designed for users who “want the most control possible over their hardware.”

According to the beta test sign up, there is a controller of sorts involved, but these are “produced prototypes” noted alongside its prototypes for “entertainment system hardware and software, including a set-top box running custom software.”

Valve has not announced it is working on a controller, so this bit is somewhat of a surprise, although it may never see the light of day. Then again, it could be part of Friday’s announcement.

You can find out more information on the boxes and how to participate in the development process through here.

Earlier today, it was rumored the firm would introduce preliminary schematics for Steam Box.

Looks like part of this rumor was true after all. The other part of the rumor states Source 2 will be shown off on Friday. We’ll see.

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  1. DSB

    “You can make yourself eligible to get one” sounds an awful lot like having to blow someone.

    But then maybe I’m just a very sick person.

    … And then you added the last bit. You ruin everything Steph.

    #1 10 months ago
  2. Stephany Nunneley

    @2 :( I won’t be picked either.

    #2 10 months ago
  3. pcbros

    “Beginning in 2014, there will be multiple SteamOS machines to choose from, made by different manufacturers.”

    I called it! Woohoo!

    “Can I hack this box? Run another OS? Change the hardware? Install my own software? Use it to build a robot? Sure.

    Nice. Open hardware.

    “Am I going to be using a mouse and a keyboard in the living-room?
    If you want. But Steam and SteamOS work well with gamepads, too. Stay tuned, though – we have some more to say very soon on the topic of input.”

    Not locked into only using a gamepad.

    #3 10 months ago
  4. Erthazus

    Interesting thing is that VALVE working with manufaturers on different hardware.
    You can basically have a cheap console or console with hardcore specs.

    Yeah, what Sony and MS are going to do with their 900p fest after SteamOS hardware release? Gabe is watching you and bringing some cool console innovation.

    #4 10 months ago
  5. Erthazus

    Yeah, you can hack you hardware or run another OS. Basically, in other words I will have more stuff on my SteamOS hardware than both PS4 and Xbox One – combined.

    #5 10 months ago
  6. DSB

    Open platform though! Hubba hubba.

    It’s just hugely disappointing to me that they’ll be tethering it to Windows.

    That essentially means that SteamOS isn’t an innovation as much as an overlay. Streaming is already a thing. And it doesn’t solve any of the problems Gaben had with Windows in the first place.

    #6 10 months ago
  7. Erthazus

    SteamOS is first of all based on Lynux that has emulators to run Windows software so you are incorrect DSB.

    It’s not an overlay.

    #7 10 months ago
  8. Camfak

    So basically, gamingrigs for people who don’t know how to build their own computer or are just lazy.

    Hopefully there will be a good price and not something extremely overpriced like Alienware for example.´.

    #8 10 months ago
  9. Xbone

    Picture from the hardware: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7819702528/hE26069EB/

    #9 10 months ago
  10. DSB

    @7 All of which already exists. It’s not an innovation, it’s just taking what’s already there and piling it together.

    You don’t even need a proper OS to do streaming, you already have a whole line-up of proprietary devices containing much simpler OS that do the same thing.

    #10 10 months ago
  11. _LarZen_

    This is just more hype for the Steambelivers.

    Valve have not named one developer who is working on Steam OS AAA games. And now they have nothing to show regarding the actual hardware.

    And I can see it now, people in the store thinking about buying a console. And the seller asks if he wants a the cheapest and weakest Steam Box. Or the mid range one or the high end Steam Box.

    Or if he wants a XBO or a PS4… My money is that the avrage costumer will pick something easy and something familiar.

    I still have no idea who the Steam Box is for. Console hating PC gamers sure don’t want one. Well…except the Steambelivers that is.

    #11 10 months ago
  12. mathare92

    File this under misc. praise, but that was quick, Steph. Just pipped Polygon and Kotaku to the Publish button.

    #12 10 months ago
  13. fearmonkey

    I know it will never happen but it would be nice if Sony would hook up with Valve and allow Steam Streaming over PS4/ VitaTV. MS would most certainly never do it but Sony has a miniscule chance at it.

    #13 10 months ago
  14. worntreads

    @6 What do you mean by ‘tethering it to Windows”?

    For legacy support? Is there a broader windows connection that I’m missing?

    Pretty stoked that this has seemingly prompted Nvidia to start opening up their code. Maybe we can get some good open source drivers soon.

    #14 10 months ago
  15. SplatteredHouse

    Will beta testers be allowed to share info about their experience and post pictures and opinions online?
    Yes, that really is the whole point. The input from testers should come in many forms: bug reports, forum posts, concept art, 3D prints, haikus, and also very publicly stated opinions.

    That makes a change – encouraging open discussion.

    #15 10 months ago
  16. DSB

    @11 Fanboi thinks everyone’s a fanboi.

    I don’t see why PC gamers would have any kind of ingrained aversion to playing in the livingroom. I don’t, personally.

    I also don’t see why console gamers would have any kind of ingrained aversion to using a PC if it offers them the same kind of value they’re already getting.

    Not everyone is that religious, dear boy.

    @14 “You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have – then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!”

    So basically if you don’t already have a Windows machine, then you won’t be able to run those games natively.

    That’s what I was looking for in a Steambox. Unless they managed to run Windows games natively on the OS, people will still have one foot in Linux and one foot in Windows.

    And that’s not exactly a revolution of any kind. That’s just duct taping things together.

    #16 10 months ago
  17. CyberMarco

    Sounds really cool. Maybe Valve will create a definitive PC-gaming OS with this attempt. Let’s see how it’ll evolve.

    Also, no chance being picked for beta testing! :(

    #17 10 months ago
  18. Phoenixblight

    Yeah wow. THats was as lackluster as it could get.

    @8

    Pretty much. Its using parts that are already on the market and throwing the SteamOS with it.

    #18 10 months ago
  19. Edo

    My eyes,everything is bold!!

    #19 10 months ago
  20. CyberMarco

    @19 Yeah, same here. What happened?

    *Edit, fixed now.

    #20 10 months ago
  21. Stephany Nunneley

    @12 Thanks! I honestly had it ready to go from the start. Preparation for the win ;)

    #21 10 months ago
  22. _LarZen_

    @16

    My experience with PC gamers is that they do not like consoles. Period. They blame every game that is coming to the PC for being dumbed down because of consoles. And they hate to play with a controller.

    Sure they can connect a mouse and keyboard and play in the couch and get tendonitis at a much faster rate then normal.

    And just to be clear, I am not a fanboy. That is something that is for children and adults with adult child syndrome. I am a adult man.

    #22 10 months ago
  23. antraxsuicide

    Honestly, I’m disappointed in the Steam Box announcement. http://xkcd.com/927/

    This sums it up pretty well. Add in that they’ve got NO details yet (price, appearance, specs, release date, etc…), and this announcement…

    *puts on sunglasses*

    just lost Steam.

    YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHH

    #23 10 months ago
  24. Mike W

    What the hell is Vavle doing? They keep making these announcements about Steam related products but they won’t show anything.

    And what the hell is this multiple hardware will be available in 2014? Wha…..what?
    There’s going to be multiple steamboxes?

    #24 10 months ago
  25. Xbone

    @22
    “they blame every game that is coming to the PC for being dumbed down because of consoles.”
    Its true.

    #25 10 months ago
  26. Erthazus

    @DSB, first of all Valve is creating a definitive Gamer’s OS. Before you judge on innovation you should see the interface and how it exactly works.

    There is no Gamer’s OS on the market with unified system that brings, clans, achievements and stuff together.

    windows tried – Failed
    EVEN Linux tried – Failed

    you want to laugh more? OnLive and GaiKai tried with innovative technology – FAILURE

    #26 10 months ago
  27. Phoenixblight

    @26

    Gaikai is not out yet and when it was on the net it was for testing purposes. Anything else you want to be a fanboy about?

    Also what Steam is doing with streaming is not the same as what Gaikai or Onlive is doing.

    Also there is nothing to get pumped up about since the linux catalog is a fraction of a percent of what the window catalog is. We have yet to see what developers are behind this.

    #27 10 months ago
  28. DSB

    @22 Right… Walks like a duck, talks like a duck.

    @26 You want to build a multi-billion dollar business on a few pointless social features? Okay. Good luck with that.

    #28 10 months ago
  29. Erthazus

    and third announcement will be something like – SOURCE 2 EXCLUSIVELY ON STEAMOS.

    Done. Sold.

    #29 10 months ago
  30. Ireland Michael

    Why does this sort of thing always have to devolve into a bloody platform war?

    Why isn’t it enough to just say “Hey, cool, some new hardware. I’m sure it’ll be great for the people who want it”?

    #30 10 months ago
  31. _LarZen_

    @25
    But all is forgiven as long as Valve has it’s name on the box?

    @28 So mature.

    #31 10 months ago
  32. Erthazus

    @27,”Gaikai is not out yet and when it was on the net it was for testing purposes. Anything else you want to be a fanboy about?”

    Testing purposes? ARE YOU NUTS? They tried to sell me games. It was released back at that day with commercials all over the internet. I remember watching something at Escapist and pop-ups with Gaikai “try Mass Effect 2 demo for Free or DAO2 or Dead Space 2″ and then you can buy them.

    Testing purposes. Testing purposes your playstation fanboy ass.

    @DSB, That’s how Steam lives. A ton of social features that actually work.
    but i’m not talking just about social stuff. I’m talking about unified system.

    #32 10 months ago
  33. DSB

    @29 Yeah, I’m sure people will be thrilled to have to install a second OS just to play Half-Life 3.

    Come on dude. Think things through.

    #33 10 months ago
  34. monkeygourmet

    @29

    I think it’ll be a motion controller for navigation and FPS / MMORPG play. Hopefully Source 2 though! :)

    #34 10 months ago
  35. Erthazus

    @33, It was just a joke. I’m sure it will be something like: Exclusive on Steam only.

    Let’s see what they will show us next. It should be good.

    #35 10 months ago
  36. Phoenixblight

    @32

    Yes! You couldn’t buy a game on Gaikai, it wouldl allow you to play a demo then lead you to a bunch of retailers that were selling the game. Jesus think for a second. Nothing was sold on Gaikai it was for testing purposes. If SOny hadn’t bought them up it would have been a streaming service but it didn’t happen. It was bought mid-development.

    #36 10 months ago
  37. pcbros

    @18 – And the PC/Steam hater returns…

    If all of this is so lame and lackluster, why spend so much time here? You just come and shoot down everything they announce.

    They announced the Steambox, it’s open/hackable, it will be built by different manufacturers and there will be different versions.

    They announced the fundamental questions. Besides the specs, not sure what you expected.

    “Its using parts that are already on the market and throwing the SteamOS with it.”

    Where did you read this?

    #37 10 months ago
  38. Mike W

    @30

    So true, we all know who you’re talking about…….. just ignore him/her.

    Staying on topic, if there’s going to be multiple hardware of these mysterious Steamboxes……

    Is Vavle just going to partner with Alienware, Dell or even Nvidia, to allow this SteamOS to run on their machines?
    That’s not really all that exciting…. :/

    #38 10 months ago
  39. Ireland Michael

    @38 Not aimed at anyone in particular, although it includes the usual guilty suspects.

    It happens no matter the format.

    It’s just so bloody tiresome.

    #39 10 months ago
  40. Phoenixblight

    “They announced the Steambox, it’s open/hackable, it will be built by different manufacturers and there will be different versions.”

    Its called a PC. There is nothing fancy about it. It won’t be using specialized hardware.

    “If all of this is so lame and lackluster, why spend so much time here? ”

    Curiosity plus this is the only thing news worth going on today.

    Also I am not a PC/Steam hater. I have over 200 games on steam alone not to mention the MMOs I have played, the games I have gotten through gog, origin and gamefly. Also I like confirming my suspicions.

    #40 10 months ago
  41. Mike W

    @39

    I hear you, next gen is going to be far worst. But you have to learn to just ignore the foolish and immature comments.

    Staying on topic, I want to get excited for these announcements, but Valve is not giving me any reason to.

    It’s like car dealership spokesperson telling me they have cars at their dealership…..and the cars have these items in them called steering wheels.

    #41 10 months ago
  42. Dragon246

    “facepalm”

    This is it?

    ““Entertainment is not a one-size-fits-all world. We want you to be able to choose the hardware that makes sense for you, so we are working with multiple partners to bring a variety of Steam gaming machines to market during 2014, all of them running SteamOS.”
    aka PCs with Steam OS installed. Very innovative…not.

    ““We have designed a high-performance prototype that’s optimized for gaming, for the living room”
    That is a CONSOLE. Duh.

    Btw, multiple vendors thing essentially confirms that steambox hardware will have higher PC type profit margins for manufacturers. So next-gen consoles will EASILY provide more bang for buck, since they are already launching with a loss per hardware.

    Can someone tell me whats so innovative about it. Seems like Valve just farted and its news :D

    #42 10 months ago
  43. CyberMarco

    Maybe this is the solution for what I’ve been thinking would be the ultimate gaming solution, at least for me.

    What if there were no dedicated console manufacturers, no Playstaion, no XBox, nothing. There would only be hardware manufactures, like Intel, Nvidia, AMD etc. that would produce various tiers of hardware (like today, low-mid-high end components) and you could built one based on your needs. And that hardware would run a dedicated OS (in this case SteamOS). There will be only competition between the hardware manufacturers in that regard.

    You can build a 300-400$ SteamBox to be able to play games at 720p @30/60FPS on low-medium settings, or 500-600$ for 1080p @60FPS with medium-high settings and a 800$+ machine for 1080p+ @60FPS with ultra settings and so on.

    On the games side, all game developers could make games for the OS and scale it to the available hardware on the market, stating the bare minimum requirements, like a 3Ghz dual-core CPU, 512mb GPU, 2gb of ram etc.

    Polyphony Digital could release Gran Turismo and Turn10 could release Forza and the consumer would still buy whatever he’d prefer.

    You could possibly run the OS on portable devices, like tablets and dedicated gaming handhelds and continue your game on the go, with cloud-saving and cross-platform play.

    For me that’s a killer app, if Valve has the guts to make such an achievement I would be more than happy! :)

    What do you think?

    #43 10 months ago
  44. rrw

    i really sceptical if they can pull this one off. they say it will launched early 2014 yet we haven’t really see in what it really can do.

    but it valve! they never make mistake! right?

    #44 10 months ago
  45. Mike W

    @43

    That doesn’t sound bad.

    #45 10 months ago
  46. DSB

    @43 That’s obviously the dream. Competition on all levels. Hardware, software. Free online, unlimited services.

    But you’d have to eliminate windows for that to really become reality. Right now your Steam account and Steambox won’t be worth very much unless you already have an available Windows license. Add 100 bucks right there.

    I was hoping that SteamOS would run games natively. That would truly change the game, but right now it’s duct taped to Windows.

    Hopefully that’ll change, but I was hoping Valve wouldn’t launch until they figured it out. It would’ve been a much better proposition.

    #46 10 months ago
  47. Phoenixblight

    @46

    That would never happen. The only thing that can be done is the games moving forward and in a few years time it may become something as large as steam client. In its current state, it will be like steam at launch where it will be a broken mess where no one understands the point until Valve beats it into something that everyone wants.

    #47 10 months ago
  48. DSB

    @47 That just strikes me as a total hail mary pass though. Windows owns the market. It would be like making a new games client and saying “this’ll take down Steam”.

    It’s not bloody likely. Steam has a strong relationship with the industry, but enough to lead them all to SteamOS? I doubt it.

    #48 10 months ago
  49. Phoenixblight

    @48

    Thats what I have been saying the entire time. Valve doesn’t have the cash flow or the manpower to throw down with Windows and its stranglehold on the industry.

    #49 10 months ago
  50. DrDamn

    I think they’ve missed a trick by being too open. Sure let the OS run on any PC, but SteamBox wise a tighter grip on fixed hardware configs (2 or 3) which can be refreshed every couple of years would appeal to me more. Then devs have some fixed hardware specs to optimise for.

    #50 10 months ago
  51. DSB

    @50 I’m not sure that’s a big whoop.

    It might make the load on the devs a bit easier, but since the user will also be able to customize the game according to his or her hardware, it’s not a biggy.

    And if they really narrowed down the specs, they’d be dictating to hardware manufacturers, and most likely end up favoring some of them indirectly, which isn’t a good way to build up support.

    #51 10 months ago
  52. Gekidami

    I’m guessing Xi3 isnt one of those manufacturers. ba dum tss!

    #52 10 months ago
  53. sebastien rivas

    @51
    You are correct to think all those big whoops already exists to some extent and per choice of combination.
    Steam never stated that it has never been seen before.
    Though as PC gamer, would I like a smaller box than my workstation and plug to my TV and able to access my library of games and capable to challenge console features? I say why not and with open arms.
    Nothing from outer world here but a strong ideal that PC game can be played on TV.
    Yes it can be done for last 10 years if not more but to what cost, bigger machine and perhaps loud too, PC meant with mediocre performances just to watch videos, games not necessarily adequate to TV screen viewing… etc etc.
    Steam closes the loop by bringing games on TV, nothing new but something that game developers are going to be interested in, I am sure.
    Talking about the OS itself, Valve brought a half hidden promise that Stealux will be more game ergonomic which again may interest developers.
    So again there is the art and the manner for OS execution and to application. While many things can go awry, I believe Steam is going in the right direction.
    After all, while I love Win 7, I am also dead tired of paying 200$ for an OS per new machine I build.
    I have a few Wii controllers that are not stamped Nintendo, that would be cool if they can be used on Steambox :)
    Maybe a dongle along the way?!?!

    #53 10 months ago
  54. Moonwalker1982

    I’m a bit confused now….it’s for the living room, but its not a console? And they got multiple manufacturers making them? Sounds like a big deal….right?

    #54 10 months ago
  55. sebastien rivas

    @54
    Joke: it is a Psole, here we go, a Psole ;)

    Though a bit more serious, No console can be modded too or at least there has been no consent from manufacturers so far which is a point I never, never, never understood!

    #55 10 months ago
  56. Pitts

    Looks like I won’t be building that new rig after all…

    Aw who am I kiddin. Can always use a new rig.

    #56 10 months ago
  57. Lounds

    I think people forget steam’s humble beginning or not so humble beginning.

    http://www.techspot.com/news/53989-steam-turned-10-today-remember-when-it-sucked.html

    Half-Life 2 was the reason people used it and had to use it, nobody liked the idea. No other publisher or games were on there other than valve games.

    Picture this, Half-Life 3 steam OS only. 3 years down the line developers start making games for it, just as publishers put games on steam’s store.

    Oh whats that steamOS api is free, more games will get made for it, everyone is a winner. So many negative people on here.

    #57 10 months ago
  58. rrw

    @57

    why do we need to have another OS other than window just to play game?

    #58 10 months ago
  59. CyberMarco

    @58 – Because Windows isn’t an open platform, as opposed to Linux and therefor SteamOS. Microsoft has the final word regarding what will be available on Windows.

    I believe that what Valve is trying to achieve is to make PC gaming a more console-like user-friendly experience, with a set-topbox right at your disposal.

    It could greatly succeed or epically fail, we’ll have to see how things will turn out.

    #59 10 months ago
  60. XanderZane

    What a mess. Reminds me of the 3DO. Everyone makes their own hardware and Valve provides the games and make the profit off the game sales. That’s basically what Valve is doing. SteamOS is FREE. They aren’t licensing it to those manufacturers who will build SteamBoxes. Gabe will just throw SteamOS and the STEAM Application on every box so that games can be sold or streamed to them through your HDTV. Aren’t PC gamers already doing this on their PC’s with better rigs? Who is Gabe marketing this device to? PC Gamers? Console gamers won’t waste their time with it. See the failure called Ouya. lol!! They can’t even get that damn systems to their backers. This is just pointless since there’s no reason for it to exist. Where are the developers who are making these Linux based games? I’m assuming every Valve game will be converted, but what else?

    #60 10 months ago
  61. Lounds

    so much negativity, we haven’t even seen the OS in action… The stats will show higher fps on steam OS and PC gamers will convert. Who would of thought Android would of been as big as it got, but it all started on one phone.

    #61 10 months ago
  62. tmac2011

    this a pc system?

    #62 10 months ago
  63. Sanwiches

    @DSB I dont know what you expected DSB. You can’t just make Windows Games run natively on another OS without some technical miracle, which can’t happen without wasting a lot of time. A couple of years for compatibility with Windows? It wouldn’t make sense.

    SteamOS is for future games first, then with streaming, it ensures that you can play Windows Games too. That’s a nice touch. Plus, with their new OS, they can make sure streaming won’t laggy as hell. They can control every aspect of it to make sure gaming will be smooth and without problems.

    This is very exciting.

    #63 10 months ago
  64. Sanwiches

    Now, on the topic of the SteamBox, yet again I fail to understand your disappointment.

    No specific hardware parts? I don’t see the problem here. Making specialized parts would make it a console. They don’t want that, and we neither. Plus, they states that they made a prototype. So they’re going to make a Steam Machine themselves, along with multiple manufacturers. That’s also exciting.

    ” The specific machine we’re testing is designed for users who want the most control possible over their hardware. Other boxes will optimize for size, price, quietness, or other factors.”

    #64 10 months ago
  65. Sanwiches

    All of this stuff is very exciting, and the next step is either Source Engine, or most likely a new input device. Because that’s something they talked about a lot this year.

    And then, there’s this line:
    “Stay tuned, though – we have some more to say very soon on the topic of input.”

    #65 10 months ago
  66. Sanwiches

    If Nvidia is interested in their new OS, then I would think devs of AAA games will be too.

    I’m thinking someone like John Carmack. He didnt tweet anything about these news yet, but I’m looking forward to it.

    #66 10 months ago
  67. Sanwiches

    Now, some personal irrelevant thoughts.

    I was probably going to buy a Xbox One this year, but I will wait to see their prototype. What I’m thinking is I will probably be getting the Xbox for Multiplayer FPSes, but for single player games, I will definitely get a Steam Machine to take advantage of the power of PCs.

    #67 10 months ago
  68. Sanwiches

    @58 Windows is made to do a broader range of things aside from playing games. That means it has to be more generic than an OS specifically made for games.

    Plus, you probably use around 2 OSes already: one for your desktop, one for your phone, and maybe one for your console if you have one. You won’t think of using one more to be a problem when you will start to discover the advantages of this OS.

    I’m expecting to see major gains in performance when playing on the SteamOS. Goddamn I’m excited.

    #68 10 months ago
  69. DSB

    @63 That’s a lot of guesswork man.

    Like I said earlier you already have loads of proprietary devices that deal with streaming. I’m sure Valve will do some cool stuff with linux, but unless it can run Windows games natively, then you’re not looking at any kind of real innovation.

    The technology to do all of this was already there. This is just an iteration on that.

    #69 10 months ago
  70. Sanwiches

    @DSB “The technology to do all of this was already there. This is just an iteration on that.”

    It might be an iteration, but it’s the same thing with anything in the PC nowadays. I don’t see it being about innovation, I see it as offering gamers an upgradable machine that plays games in the living room, along with a specialized OS.

    As for running natively Windows games on another OS, it simply cannot be done without modifying those games. I don’t see it as ever being possible.

    EDIT: The only thing they can do is ensuring most of the future games being made will run natively on SteamOS too (alongside Windows).

    Gabe said in an interview that something devs wanted in order to make games for Linux was a debugger. If Valve offers tools that make the devs’ life easier to develop games on their OS, then I’m guessing they will use them.

    #70 10 months ago
  71. DSB

    @70 Right, so effectively they want people to first buy a Windows machine, and then a SteamOS machine. It makes precious little sense.

    It’s an addon, not a main event.

    And it doesn’t solve any of Gabe Newells reservations about Windows, because even with the Steambox, his platform is still tethered to it.

    #71 10 months ago
  72. Sanwiches

    @DSB Why would you buy a Windows license first? Because your old games run on it? But if your old games run on it, then surely you already have a Windows license. I don’t see the problem.

    Plus, it might be annoying to not be able to enjoy your old games without having Windows, but the same thing happens with consoles. You can’t even play X360 games on the X1 (same with PS3 and PS4). The solution they offer is streaming your old games, AND playing future games directly on SteamOS (i know im repeating).

    Finally, I don’t see it as being tethered to Windows.

    “What games will be available during the beta?
    The nearly 3,000 games on Steam. Hundreds already running natively on the SteamOS, with more to come. The rest will work seamlessly via in-home streaming.”

    #72 10 months ago
  73. DSB

    @72 Right, so then you’re targeting 50 million accounts on Steam, while ignoring the 120 million on consoles.

    And then what’s the point? The only way this makes sense to me is if it actually brings some new blood to Steam.

    And I’m not saying that backwards compatability is the be all and end all (although it is a staple of PC gaming) but nobody’s going to switch out a console for a livingroom PC that plays 50% of the games on the platform unless you get a Windows license.

    That’s another 100 bucks on the price of entry. And that’s the sort of exorbitant expense that makes PC gaming unviable for so many console gamers.

    Again, I was expecting a revolution that would actually position the livingroom PC as a viable alternative, rather than just an addon for people who are already PC gamers.

    If you have a modern gaming laptop with HDMI and audio outputs, then this is completely redundant.

    #73 10 months ago
  74. Phoenixblight

    @72

    You are thinking that every single developer will get behind this that won’t be the case. Triple A studios will wait until they see a large majority of PC users jumping to SteamOS and even then they have to crunch numbers to see if its worth millions to port a game from windows to SteamOS until then they will be sticking with Windows and Mac.

    Also with having to stream windows games you have to keep your machine up to date to play triple Games which in of itself is costly not to mention after a few iterations needing to buy a new windows license.

    #74 10 months ago
  75. Javinator

    P$4 sux!

    #75 10 months ago
  76. pcbros

    @40 – “Its called a PC. There is nothing fancy about it. It won’t be using specialized hardware.”

    Where did you read this? What makes the XB1/PS4 so special in comparison to a PC? Looks like tweaked PC parts in those consoles.

    “Also I am not a PC/Steam hater. I have over 200 games on steam alone not to mention the MMOs I have played, the games I have gotten through gog, origin and gamefly.”

    So instead of hoping Valve makes your Steam/PC experience better, so you can make better use of your investment… you prefer to throw it under a bus and call it a fail?

    It’s like me buying a PS4 and hoping Sony fails.

    “Also I like confirming my suspicions.”

    Confirming your suspicions?

    I called a SteamOS, you were surprised by the announcement of a SteamOS. You also said the Steambox was doomed because Valve does not have the manufacturing power of Microsoft or Sony. Yet, I predicted Valve would license the Steambox specs so other manufacturers could build their “own” Steamboxes.

    That’s 0 for 2.

    Now you’re saying Valve will continue to release their first-party games on the XB1/PS4. Let’s see how that one goes…

    #76 10 months ago
  77. viralshag

    So if I already have my gaming PC hooked up to my TV using Big Picture mode, this isn’t really going to change that much for me?

    #77 10 months ago
  78. Virginityrocks

    @77 Other than a theoretical performance boost, not really. You might expect better integration of Steam to the OS for notifications and chat, but… At the cost of most games and applications? Not really worth a whole lot.

    But who knows. This might be a winner.

    #78 10 months ago
  79. Max Payne

    @77 Well not now in beginning , no. But let say Windows 9 doesn’t improve much from Win 8 and by then Steam OS can have several major improvements and overall better performance.
    But we are far from ditching windows yet.

    #79 10 months ago
  80. DSB

    @77 Nada dude.

    #80 10 months ago
  81. Phoenixblight

    “So instead of hoping Valve makes your Steam/PC experience better, so you can make better use of your investment… you prefer to throw it under a bus and call it a fail?

    It’s like me buying a PS4 and hoping Sony fails.”

    What crack are you smoking? Steam is a retailer the entire point of steam is to persuade me to go to their store and buy a game. How is this Steam OS making my life better? Oh wait it won’t why because I don’t need a Steam OS device or in general as windows is doing just fine with a steam client and Vale won’t be getting rid of the client.

    So how does that prove you right? Oh wait it doesn’t. Steam won’t be doing anything for windows user with this Steam OS. I can keep doing what I am doing with windows and as DSB had pointed out there are plenty of device that will stream what is on the PC to the TV and I bet you there will be more.

    “I called a SteamOS, you were surprised by the announcement of a SteamOS. You also said the Steambox was doomed because Valve does not have the manufacturing power of Microsoft or Sony. Yet, I predicted Valve would license the Steambox specs so other manufacturers could build their “own” Steamboxes.”

    I was surprised by the OS but I did call the streaming WIndows games.

    “I predicted Valve would license the Steambox specs so other manufacturers could build their “own” Steamboxes.”

    And? its free no skin off anyones nose. Also I never refuted that. I called it that they would be having a PC parts and just putting them together and calling it a steam box which is exactly what they are doing.

    You proved diddly.

    #81 10 months ago
  82. viralshag

    @78, 79 & 80, cheers. I haven’t been overly excited about this so far now it’s gonna stay off my interest list until there’s a lot more info.

    #82 10 months ago
  83. Moonwalker1982

    I can’t even afford a Xbox One this year, let alone that it even releases in my country this year. So i will be taking the wait and see approach. Let’s see what this stuff is all about. If it offers the ease of use of consoles and can top the next-gen consoles in terms of graphics and performance and offers me a good service for online gaming too…..i could be game.

    #83 10 months ago
  84. pcbros

    @81 – You’ve been ragging on PC gaming in general not just Steam. Just read your posts, you keep trashing the PC as a gaming platform vs consoles. Valve is trying to make PC gaming more accessible and popular for users. More users would attract more developers to the platform and in turn be better for PC gamers.

    And by the way, you have commented negatively several times in EVERY SINGLE “Steambox” article on VG247 sinde last Friday.

    You don’t see me on XB1/PS4 articles constantly trashing all their announcements. Because I don’t really care what’s going on with consoles. I’ll give an opinion here and there. But you seem to have a need to come here and crush people’s hopes.

    #84 10 months ago
  85. Phoenixblight

    Hey if my posts crush peoples’ hopes that is their problem. I am just posting my opinion. Deal with it. Go cry somewhere else.

    “You’ve been ragging on PC gaming in general not just Steam. Just read your posts, you keep trashing the PC as a gaming platform vs consoles.”

    Where show me where? I post the problems with developing on PC but not once have I mentioned about actually playing on the PC. I did say maintaining a PC and having to troubleshoot a game because it being bad optimized but that is hardly ragging that is pointing out the obvious.

    “And by the way, you have commented negatively several times in EVERY SINGLE “Steambox” article on VG247 since last Friday.”

    So? Where is it stated that you can’t post in the comment section unless it is positive? Its the internet deal with it. You can just ignore my posts and move on just like you do on Xbox One and PS4 articles like you said. You seem to have a hard on for me because I “rag” on the steambox. There plenty of other posters doing the same thing as me. I don’t see you pointing them out.

    #85 10 months ago
  86. Sanwiches

    @PhoenixBlight

    Okay, yes it might certainly happen. The rate of adoption might be low at first because of this vicious circle (not enough users, not enough games). But we really have to wait and see the advantages the SteamOS can offer. I mean, PC gamers spend a lot on graphic cards alone just to gain performance. As far as the SteamOS is concerned, it’s free, so I wouldn’t see why they wouldn’t adopt the OS if it has a boost in perf. in games and input.

    @BSD
    “nobody’s going to switch out a console for a livingroom PC that plays 50% of the games on the platform (unless you get a Windows license).”

    I’d switch. I’m a console gamer, so I’m used to it. My old games play on my old platform, I’m not complaining. But what you have to think about is the potiential of it, its future.

    “Again, I was expecting a revolution that would actually position the livingroom PC as a viable alternative, rather than just an addon for people who are already PC gamers.”

    This might not be what you were looking for, but the OS is certainly good news. The Steam Machine has nothing to be excited about yet, but we have to wait for further details. Friday might unveil something that will change the situation. Idk.

    There was a post on 4chan saying the Steam Machine thing is about specs. That it will guarantee a standard across all Steam Machines. That’d be at least a good thing for devs.

    #86 10 months ago
  87. DSB

    @86 Fair enough. I just really suspect that you’re in the minority there.

    I think guys like Dragon and DrDamn are absolutely correct when they emphasize something like convenience and price. It really matters for the average gamer.

    There’s really no telling where SteamOS will be in the future, but I think it’s gonna be a real battle to get people onboard. Time will tell whether I’m right or wrong about that.

    Personally I’ve been gaming on the PC since I got to mess around with my dads old DOS-based 386 laptop when I was six years old, and I think it’s pretty damn cool that I can pretty much play anything from that era on my i7 today. Emulated, sure, but either way.

    #87 10 months ago
  88. pcbros

    @85 – “Where show me where?”

    Here’s a recent one…

    #40 – Playstation users have all those exclusive games where PC just gets ports from Multi Platform devs.

    Yes, we all know PCs only get ports from consoles. Minecraft, War Thunder, World of Tanks, Portal, Left4Dead, Rogue Legacy, DOTA, League of Legends, Starcraft 2, Battlefield and Company of Heroes 2 were all developed for consoles and then ported to the PC… and NONE of those are PC exclusives. You’re insight and expertise in the game development field really shows here.

    You also said in a previous thread you were giving up on PC gaming. It’s pretty clear you’re against PC gaming.

    “So? Where is it stated that you can’t post in the comment section unless it is positive?”

    Fanboys say the same thing. I guess we should embrace them too.

    You can do whatever you want, but when EVERY comment is a negative one, makes you wonder why you’re here.

    Either way, I guess the Steam Machine is getting a lot of people’s attention… ahem, even non-believers.

    #88 10 months ago
  89. Phoenixblight

    “You also said in a previous thread you were giving up on PC gaming. It’s pretty clear you’re against PC gaming.”

    THats a preference thing. I work on a computer 60 hours a week sometimes 80 and with bad PC ports which is the norm that means I have to find solutions to make it work so I prefer to just put the game and load. You work in any field and you would to stay away from that which you work with when you are home.

    Here’s a recent one…

    #40 – Playstation users have all those exclusive games where PC just gets ports from Multi Platform devs.”

    Oh hahah nice generalization there. It was a generalization deal with it obviously the PC has its own exclusives.

    “You can do whatever you want, but when EVERY comment is a negative one, makes you wonder why you’re here.”

    Works both ways there and you pointing me out when there are a lot more people saying the same thing as me says one thing. You have a hard on for me. I am sorry I am married and have 2 kids. I don’t do internet dating. Also not every comment I post is negative its called being critical. I am not a fanboy praising the glory of Gabe Newell. Gabe is a businessman and he is feeling the pinch of the times changing. He is just trying to carve some more space to make sure steam stays viable. Nothing less or more.

    #89 10 months ago
  90. pcbros

    @89 – “Works both ways there and you pointing me out when there are a lot more people saying the same thing as me says one thing.”

    If you question or comment on something I said, I will reply.

    “You have a hard on for some type of attraction. I am sorry I am married and have 2 kids. I don’t do internet dating.”

    How old are you? You must have borderline fanboyism or acute immaturititis. You should check it out before it spreads.

    Anyways, have fun with your consoles. Hopefully something exciting happens soon in the console world to keep you busy.

    Sorry, but I’m done arguing/wasting my time. Peace out!

    #90 10 months ago
  91. DSB

    I think we should cut the schoolyard bullshit. It’s a lot less interesting than the SteamOS itself.

    I like Phoenix, even though I disagree with him most of the time. He’s a cynical motherfucker. I like pcbros because he’s a naive motherfucker.

    Motherfuckers need to get along, yo.

    #91 10 months ago
  92. silkvg247

    Hmm I’ve launched/played a game in big picture mode (more than once) but it’s still greyed out. Ideas?

    #92 10 months ago
  93. dizzygear

    @92 You need to use a controller to play a game in Big Picture Mode

    #93 10 months ago
  94. CyberMarco

    You can run Steam Big Picture even without a controller.

    #94 10 months ago
  95. viralshag

    I think it says you have to play a game in BP mode WITH a pad?

    #95 10 months ago
  96. dizzygear

    @95 Exactly

    #96 10 months ago
  97. silkvg247

    It was with a controller (xbox pad, running burnout paradise)

    Any other ideas? :p

    #97 10 months ago
  98. viralshag

    Try again haha?

    #98 10 months ago
  99. CyberMarco

    Restart Steam maybe?

    #99 10 months ago
  100. pcbros

    @87 – “I think guys like Dragon and DrDamn are absolutely correct when they emphasize something like convenience and price.”

    I think the whole point of Valve releasing the Steam Machine is to make PC gaming more convenient (SteamOS is designed to go straight into gaming, and gamepad friendly) and price.

    No matter what people say, I don’t see how the Steam Machine can cost the same as buying parts a la carte yourself. I think somehow they have to offer a lower price tag vs Windows PCs.

    The fact that their OS is free, they are working “intimately” with Nvidia and have other manufacturers building these Steam Machines could all equal competitive pricing.

    EDIT: I’m not saying they will succeed, but the goal has to be to compete with console prices.

    If Computer A (Windows) can run all your software and your entire Steam library for $800 and Computer B (SteamOS) cannot run all your software and cannot run your entire Steam library natively for $800… assuming both have identical hardware, which would you buy?

    If Valve thinks Computer B has a fighting chance, then they are doomed.

    @97 – Did you grab Burnout Paradise recently on sale? I just picked it up last week for $5 :)

    Btw, what’s greyed out?

    #100 10 months ago
  101. CyberMarco

    @100 The “Steam Hardware Beta Candidate” badge is grayed out.

    Also did you add me on Steam?

    #101 10 months ago
  102. Dragon246

    @100,
    “No matter what people say, I don’t see how the Steam Machine can cost the same as buying parts a la carte yourself. I think somehow they have to offer a lower price tag vs Windows PCs.”
    And no one will care. Will it provide cheaper comparable console hardware? Nope.
    OEM OS prices aren’t very high, plus SteamOS, like maaaany before it, will just bow before windows.

    Food for thought, who buys a PC just for games? Will normal console buying crowd or windows crowd give a damn.
    I am sure everyone knows the answer.

    @DSB,
    Exactly. Valve neither has the money, the manpower, the clout, nor the brand (its not even comparable to Sony, MS and even ninty) to make huge pubs care for their OS.
    Another thing, do people really think Valve can make a better OS than MS?
    And linux game lineup is just pathetic when compared to windows. SteamOS is just useless without windows. So why would ANYONE choose steamos over windows?

    #102 10 months ago
  103. pcbros

    @102 – But do you think Valve is going to market the Steam Machine as a PC desktop? From the looks of the SteamOS, looks like it’s going to be marketed as an open gaming machine.

    “OEM OS prices aren’t very high. Plus SteamOS, like maaaany before it, will just bow before windows.”

    OEM Windows operating systems run around $100. That’s a lot of money when building a gaming rig. That extra $100 can go towards a much faster video card.

    Also, when it comes to gaming machines, no one cares the OS running behind the scenes.

    Who cares that the XB1 is running a Windows based OS, while the PS4 is running a FreeBSD OS? No one. I think treating the Steam Machine as a “desktop” PC is a mistake. This thing is geared towards gaming.

    “Another thing, do people really think Valve can make a better OS than MS?”

    Does anyone actually think that Sony can make a better OS than MS? Again, SteamOS isn’t trying to replace Windows 8. Just like the XB1/PS4 is not trying to replace your Windows desktop/laptop/tablet at home.

    This thing is being designed to make PC gaming more accessible to people. Designed to be a living room entertainment system.

    I’d say, the biggest factors yet to be revealed are the games and pricing.

    #103 10 months ago
  104. Dragon246

    “OEM Windows operating systems run around $100. That’s a lot of money when building a gaming rig. That extra $100 can go towards a much faster video card.”
    Proof?
    And you still haven’t given a concrete reason as to why anyone would support this new OS.

    “Does anyone actually think that Sony can make a better OS than MS?”
    For PC. NO WAY. For consoles, Sony has more experience.
    And Valve isn’t even in picture.
    To think Valve can somehow improve linux kernel to exceed Windows performance when Windows has sooo many ready tools available is just… weird. Note that, NOT EVEN VALVE makes such pompous arguments, which means even they know its a lost battle.

    #104 10 months ago
  105. CyberMarco

    @104

    OEM version of Windows 7 starts at 77.49€ (~104$) (http://www.skroutz.gr/c/114/leitourgika-systhmata.html?from=catspan&keyphrase=windows+7)

    OEM version of Windows 8 starts at 88.90€ (~120$) (http://www.skroutz.gr/c/114/leitourgika-systhmata.html?from=catspan&keyphrase=windows+8)

    With SteamOS there is an opportunity to create a PC gaming dedicated OS, making PC gaming more streamlined and versatile like consoles but keeping all the benefits of it, what’s not to like?

    No one said it’ll be an easy task, we have to wait and see, is it that hard?

    #105 10 months ago
  106. pcbros

    @104 – Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit – OEM $99.99

    “And you still haven’t given a concrete reason as to why anyone would support this new OS.”

    How can I give concrete reasons when we know so little about the product? It’s ALL speculation at this point, from both sides of the fence.

    “To think Valve can somehow improve linux kernel to exceed Windows performance when Windows has sooo many ready tools available is just… weird. Note that, NOT EVEN VALVE makes such pompous arguments, which means even they know its a lost battle.”

    From Valve – “In SteamOS, we have achieved significant performance increases in graphics processing”

    This can many things. We don’t know what that “increase” really translates to in reality. But on one side you have Microsoft developing an OS for a wide range of use and on the other, Valve with the help of Nvidia modifying the Linux OS purely for gaming performance.

    #106 10 months ago
  107. worntreads

    Valve doesn’t need to create a better OS than Microsoft. The Linux community has already done that. All Valve needs to do is bring the hardware sector with them in linux support (graphics vendors mainly). They appear to have made huge gains towards accomplishing this goal.

    They seem to have options for people who love to tinker, and for people who just want plug in and play. Great. More options for everyone. I don’t really see a downside here. Especially if any improvements they make are passed along upstream.

    #107 10 months ago
  108. Dragon246

    @106,
    By OEM I meant bulk licenses which are taken by hardware manufacturers, not end consumer licenses. Those cost way less than 100 bucks.

    “In SteamOS, we have achieved significant performance increases in graphics processing”
    And NO MENTION of it exceeding windows like your comments are alluding to.

    Either way, all these unique tinkering in OS only makes it more enthusiast oriented and less general consumer one.
    Which means more for existing Steam users and newbies.
    So whats the point?

    We can agree on disagreeing.

    #108 10 months ago
  109. DSB

    @102 I think you’re underestimating Steams brand there. It’s got 50 million users.

    That alone is an awful lot of clout and brand.

    It’s a common misconception that the PC is the sick man of gaming, but in 2010 EA were making more on every PC title than they were on any of the consoles.

    Origin wasn’t a small project for them.

    There’s no way Valve would ever make something as big as Windows, and there’s no way they’d ever have to. If they could make games run natively on Linux, they would still have the most powerful and versatile OS in the livingroom, at a far superior price point.

    #109 10 months ago
  110. pcbros

    @107 – I personally like Linux better. There are just a few programs that force me to own a Windows desktop.

    @108 – I have no clue what they pay for bulk licenses. But anything in bulk is cheaper right? So it’s safe to say, a consumer cannot build a cheaper gaming rig than Valve (especially if companies like Dell, HP, Alienware begin to build Steam Machines). We can atleast agree on that.

    So people like me, thinking of building a gaming rig (not a general PC, I already own a PC for general use) will be considering a Steam Machine since more likely than not, it will be less expensive than anything I can build. That’s one potential market right there, people looking into buying/building a gaming rig.

    Then the people thinking they still want to build their own gaming rig might consider SteamOS because it’s free.

    “Either way, all these unique tinkering in OS only makes it more enthusiast oriented and less general consumer one. Which means more for existing Steam users and newbies. So whats the point?”

    I don’t quite follow. If you mean it will be more oriented to gamers than people who want a PC for general use, then you are correct.

    @109 – “If they could make games run natively on Linux, they would still have the most powerful and versatile OS in the livingroom, at a far superior price point.”

    +1

    #110 10 months ago
  111. Dragon246

    @109,
    And I am sure not many more than those 50 million users know Valve. That is a very small brand compared to bigwigs.
    Billions know what a Sony, Google, MS is.

    @110,
    “If you mean it will be more oriented to gamers than people who want a PC for general use, then you are correct.”
    Exactly. In other words, the existing Steam customers.
    So, how is this supposed to expand Valves userbase? Wasn’t that the main reason for all these hoopla?

    #111 10 months ago
  112. DSB

    @111 And even though they’re known by billions, they’re only moving 60 million consoles.

    Sony sold enough PS2s to make the “Playstation” brand synonymous with the word gaming console to laymen, but they clearly weren’t able to leverage that to sell the PS3. It’s only sold about half.

    Microsoft was the worlds biggest company 10 years ago, but they only sold 25 million consoles the first time around.

    So let’s not make a brand a bigger whoop than it truly is.

    #112 10 months ago
  113. DSB

    I hate this website (double post)

    #113 10 months ago
  114. pcbros

    @111 – “Exactly. In other words, the existing Steam customers. So, how is this supposed to expand Valves userbase? Wasn’t that the main reason for all these hoopla?”

    What about people wanting to buy/build a gaming rig? They don’t have to be Steam users to want a PC gaming rig. If Valve offers a gaming rig at a cheaper price than they can build themselves, you think they won’t buy it?

    Also, since there will be multiple versions of Steam Machines, we can easily expect some really cheap Steam Machines to be released intended to play indie games and lower spec games.

    So a casual gamer walks into Best Buy and sees a sub-$200 Steam Machine, $300 Wii U, $400 Playstation 4 and a $500 Xbox One… which one do you think they will buy?

    Microsoft and Sony are mainly targeting the core gamer. People who play COD and Battlefield. While Valve can essentially target every type of gamer and offer a system priced to their needs.

    If I just want to play indie games on my PS4, I’m stuck paying $400 no matter what.

    #114 10 months ago
  115. Dragon246

    “So a casual gamer walks into Best Buy and sees a sub-$200 Steam Machine, $300 Wii U, $400 Playstation 4 and a $500 Xbox One… which one do you think they will buy? ”
    A sub $200 steam machine aka PC will be shit which no one will buy. They will buy 360 or PS3s. Steam OS cant even run most PC games without windows.
    So nope, its a useless piece of tech for an average joe.
    And, why would game shops sell Steamboxes? It has no retail support.
    Another big hole in Valves strategy . Physical market is far from dead.

    “Microsoft and Sony are mainly targeting the core gamer. People who play COD and Battlefield. While Valve can essentially target every type of gamer and offer a system priced to their needs. ”
    Whatever you say. Its not happening. Not by Valve. Valve is incapable of shaking the industry giants in a major way. Its just tiny compared to them. It doesn’t matter whether you agree or not. Valves financials aren’t up for debates, they are numerical facts.

    @112,
    In 10 years, Valve only managed 50 million free account registrations.
    Meanwhile, Sony sold over 200 million hardware consoles (PS2,PS3,PSP,Vita) in same time frame. MS more than 100 million and Ninty over 200 million. Not to mention SEN and XBL has more users than Steam in far less time.
    And PS3 has sold 80 million ltd.
    So let’s not underestimate brand power.

    #115 10 months ago
  116. pcbros

    “A sub $200 steam machine will be shit which no one will buy. Steam OS cant even run most PC games without windows”

    A $200 Steam Machine could easily be more than capable of playing games like Rogue Legacy, Project Phoenix, James Pond, Mighty No.9 and other awesome indie games being Kickstarted.

    All those games listed above are being released to Linux as well. So no need for Windows.

    So someone just looking to play those types of games and could care less about COD, would most likely get a Steam Machine. Why pay $400/$500 just to play indie games?

    Second, a lot of indie games are never even released for consoles.

    “And, why would game shops sell Steamboxes? It has no retail support.”

    That’s pure speculation. If the Ouya made it to shops, I don’t see how the Steam Machine can’t.

    “Sony sold over 200 million hardware consoles (PS2,PS3,PSP,Vita)”

    That’s counting repeating buyers though. It’s not 200 million individual users.

    So it’s 50 million current Steam users vs 80 million current PS3 users.

    But I agree, Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft have a much stronger brand. No arguing there.

    #116 10 months ago
  117. DSB

    @115 That changes nothing about what I said. Sony went from having a ubiquitous product to having an also-ran.

    A brand will help you sell, sure, it’s good to have, but believe me, a good product will beat a good brand any day of the week.

    Google didn’t have a brand. Then they made the best search engine on the market. Now they’re bitch-slapping Microsoft up and down the NASDAQ, while Microsoft are busy trying to convince people that they can make mobile devices that don’t suck. In spite of having one of the most valuable brands on the planet, they aren’t doing a very good job convincing people.

    Another example would be Myspace and Facebook.

    A brand isn’t gonna convince anyone that a product is actually good if it isn’t. Contrary to what some people believe, marketing is really an illusion. It helps sell your product, but the actual illusion stops the minute people pick up the product.

    #117 10 months ago
  118. pcbros

    @117 – Good points. Nintendo probably has the best brand in the gaming industry (everyone knows what a Nintendo is and they immediately relate it to gaming). But it’s not equating to success at the momment.

    Although, I personally hope Nintendo can pull through. Nintendo makes some of my favorite games.

    Maybe Nintendo and Valve can partner up… :P

    #118 10 months ago
  119. sebastien rivas

    @115
    How did you pull this 200$ number?
    I expect just the APU alone to evolve at 120~150 minimum for a low/mid range.
    This said, I also expect Stambox to niche itself between WiiU and Sony Ps4 price tags, closer to PS4 though and without any game pad or anything and with lower perf. possible.

    Effectively BF franchise and COD franchise are best at what they do, which is FPS but in no way do I expect FPS or any genre for that matter to be or to be said or called a core of gamers like gamers have the monopoly of one genre. If it were true, then there would many more FPS out there.
    Though are FPS gamers more vocal than any other genre perhaps?!?!?!
    even if it was true. Let’s just pretend a second!
    What makes you think it is not a superb ideal for Steam to come on the market with their Steambox+stealux and say to indies hey the market is free and open to best FPS, enjoy making one and make profit on it.
    What do you think indies are going to do?
    Most FPS gamers who also are devers who know they stuffs with pros and cons for each of both major franchises. Don;t you think they could be capable to get a BF4 beauty with a COD mechanics…vice and versa.

    #119 10 months ago
  120. pcbros

    @119 – That’s was just a calculated guess. Just using it as an example.

    But I based that number on the fact you can find $250 netbooks that are capable of running the types of games I listed above. Those machines have Windows installed (not a free OS), a battery, an LCD screen and keyboard attached. So $200 seemed reasonable.

    As for APU’s, the AMD A8-5500 with DirectX 11 Graphic AMD Radeon HD 7560D ($98 retail) would be overkill for those indie games. So they could probably go a cheaper route for their low-end Steam Machine. Plus, I’m pretty sure they will not be buying retail, so the prices will be much lower as well.

    Although seeing how they are working with Nvidia, I don’t see them using AMD chips in there systems ;)

    EDIT: Now, I’m not saying this will be the only Steam Machine. Valve did state there would be several Steam Machines with different configurations (assuming low-end to high-end). So I’m betting one is the less expensive “indie special”.

    #120 10 months ago