UK charts: Minecraft Xbox 360 holds first, Pikmin 3 crashes to 15

Monday, 5th August 2013 09:30 GMT By Dave Cook

Minecraft Xbox 360 has held firm at the top of the UK game charts for a second week running, while previous number two Pikmin 3 has tumbled to 15th.

While Pikmin 3 is the highest-charting Wii U game in the UK since the console launched, and despite the fact that it got rave reviews across the board, the title has fallen far, leaving the second spot open for The Last of Us again.

  • 1. Minecraft: Xbox 30 Edition (Microsoft)
  • 2. The Last of Us (Sony)
  • 3. Animal Crossing: New Leaf (Nintendo)
  • 4. FIFA 13 (EA)
  • 5. The Smurfs 2 (Ubisoft)
  • 6. Far Cry 3 (Ubisoft)
  • 7. LEGO Batman 2: DC Super Heroes (Warner Bros)
  • 8. Call of Duty: Black Ops II (Activision)
  • 9. Tomb Raider (Square Enix)
  • 10. Assassin’s Creed III (Ubisoft)
  • 11. Mario and Luigi: Dream Team Bros (Nintendo)
  • 12. LEGO The Lord of the Rings (Warner Bros)
  • 13. Max Payne 3 (Take-Two)
  • 14. Grand Theft Auto IV (Rockstar)
  • 15. Pikmin 3 (Nintendo)
  • 16. Need for Speed: Most Wanted (EA)
  • 17. Battlefield 3 (EA)
  • 18. Grand Theft Auto Episodes: Liberty City (Rockstar)
  • 19. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim – Legendary Edition (Bethesda)
  • 20. The Sims 3: Island Paradise (EA)



  1. CPC_RedDawn

    Nintendo only have three games in the top 20!!!

    Now shit just got real! This just shows Nintendo that Pikmin whilst a charming and excellent game is NOT a system seller they hoped for. Games like this should be out sourced for them so their in house teams and close first and second party teams can work on the major big hitters like Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. Then use some of those billions of dollars they have in their back pocket to market and advertise the hell out of the new system, buy back shelf space if they have to, discount games by at least 10% and discount the hardware by at least 15%. Relaunch the system with a new online system make it easier to match make with friends. The damn controller has a camera and a microphone built in. USE THEM!! Sure I can video call people but I don’t want to do that. I want to play games the microphone would make an excellent “headset” type function in mario kart, or metroid.

    Nintendo need to get their act together otherwise they will eventually end up making their games for Iphone and Android :(

    #1 1 year ago
  2. monkeygourmet

    I just finished Pikmin 3 last night, easily my game of the year so far.

    I don’t think Nintendo will ever publish for Sony / MS, if anything they will just become handheld only.

    And, if that day ever happens, it’ll be a sad day for gamers everywhere.

    Basically, it means the business practices of Ubi, Acti, EA, MS and Sony to a certain extent have ‘won’, and the gaming landscpe will be dominated by dumb, AAA games, subscriptions etc…

    Having a company like Nintendo in the mix can at least slow the progress or mix things up a bit.

    IMO companies like Ubi & EA don’t really like this. It’s too complicated for them to fit into their very obvious business model and they are making Nintendo pay by cutting support.

    It’s fine from my perspective, I can always play games like AC on other systems, but it would be a sad day if games like Pikmin 3 disappear.

    #2 1 year ago
  3. manamana

    If Nintendo would’ve launched the WiiU with a *new* Zelda and a Metroid, it would’ve sold like they hoped for. I guess the small teams aren’t ready for HD. Sad to see Nintendo struggeling with their homeconsoles whilst the handhelds skyrocket every time.

    #3 1 year ago
  4. Dragon246

    Pikmin failed sales wise. Ninty simply has lost touch with what consumer needs, despite what keyboard warriors would lead you to believe.
    Heres hoping they can develop some new franchises soon. Biggest and best biz adapt to surroundings, which Ninty did excellently with 3DS, and seems incapable of doing it with Wii U.

    #4 1 year ago
  5. Professor Zoom

    Selling worser than Fifa 13, GTA 4 and Lego? Looooooooooool! Wii u is dead walking.

    #5 1 year ago
  6. Clupula

    @2 – I will never understand this impression some of you have of Nintendo as the last bastion of gaming purity in a corrupt world. I was around during the Howard Lincoln days, when Nintendo actually contacted Senator Joseph Lieberman and started him on a whole anti-game witch hunt because Sega had started to grab a bigger market share with the Genesis. Lincoln figured that by having the government crack down on Sega’s edgier products, they could destroy the competition. And when that only made Sega more popular, and the Genesis version of Mortal Kombat sell more, suddenly blood was allowed on SNES games.

    They’re no different than any other company. In fact, with their draconian exclusivity policies during the NES days, they were Microsoft before Microsoft was Microsoft.

    #6 1 year ago
  7. dreamcastnews

    Nintendo are pretty much the mirror of Sony, excellent-selling handheld, mediocre selling home console.

    #7 1 year ago
  8. viralshag

    @6, +1.

    It’s this idea that somehow because they make quirky games they are leading the revolution against the “boring” AAA scene.

    I’ll tell you what Nintendo, actually make your games for other consoles like Xbox and/or Playstation, or even mobile/tablets and I might actually pick one up and play it. It just seems like the obvious is right there in front of them to bump themselves right back up there. A Mario game on my iPad? Probably an instant purchase. Pikman on a console I already own, why not – it’s something different.

    I just see it now as Nintendo holding these titles hostage to their own console but to their own detriment. I’m probably never going to waste money on a Nintendo console (handheld maybe but more unlikely) because it just doesn’t hold anywhere near the same value as the others but the games though, sure I’d buy them no problem if they were available.

    #8 1 year ago
  9. DrDamn

    But, but, but, they are the *only* ones who innovate too! ;)

    #9 1 year ago
  10. Lengendaryboss

    +100 :)

    #10 1 year ago
  11. monkeygourmet


    I now what you mean.

    I’ve seen some of Nintendo’s dubious business practices as i’ve been here from the start:

    Sticking to carts with the N64 to try and get around copy protection at the expense of losing games like FF7.

    They’ve been too controlling over third party dev’s since forever (Nintendo seal of Quality anyone?)

    Creating device’s many would (and rightly so sometimes e.g. Virtual Boy) deem as gimmicks.

    Closing off people from uploading video to youtube even though it would mean free advertising for them.

    And, yet at the same time as all this shit, have helped deliver gameplay innovation and polish that have helped inspire so many dev’s create better products by ‘aping’ their ideas.

    Mario 64 helped show how 3D platformers should work.

    Zelda OOT’s ‘Z lock on system’ shows how combat can work in a 3D action game.

    MarioKart showed how to take an existing IP and create a game in a different genre that still hold’s it’s own.

    Pikmin showed how to create a console version of an RTS that actually worked well without M & K.

    The DS showed that touchscreen gameplay could be fun and suitable for more ‘fleshed’ out experiences.

    There are many more examples.

    These factors helped inspire games like: Sonic, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, LBP Karting, PS Allstars and so many other titles.

    Just look at the ‘Z target’ system in OOT. That gameplay mechanic inspired so many action games, it’s still the standard in many games now.

    These idea’s still come through Nintendo, hence why so many dev’s site them in ‘shout outs’ in game production and gameplay technique.

    Gameplay over Graphics. Ideally both, but I know which should be worked on first IMO.

    If I didn’t see so many other companies trying to emulate these idea’s (rarely bettering them I might add), I would be more inclined to say ‘Nintendo should go third party’.

    I’ve rarely seen the love and polish Nintendo apply put into other games, again opinion.

    #11 1 year ago
  12. The_Red

    I don’t think Pikmin’s sales are that shocking. It was never a system seller for Nintendo. It was Smash Bros that helped sell GameCubes.

    If anything, this proves how badly some of the upcoming Wii U only games will perform (like Wonderful 101 which is already being sent to die).

    #12 1 year ago
  13. monkeygourmet

    I love this :)

    Basically, people are saying: If the Wii U was more like the Xbone / PS4, they would be more happy.


    Just buy a Xbone / PS4 and stop worrying about Nintendo’s financials.

    I’ll just continue to play fantastic games.

    #13 1 year ago
  14. viralshag

    @13, No, I think people are saying if Nintendo GAMES where on other consoles they would be more happy.

    Nintendo games are good. Their console is lacking. Why would I buy a lesser console just to play decent games. Make a decent console and decent games and you have a sale.

    But that, as the poor console and game sales would suggest, is not what Nintendo have with the WiiU.

    #14 1 year ago
  15. Dragon246

    Nintendo, the undeniable bastion of innovation, has produced-
    1. 5 marios in 2012
    2. 8 marios in 2013
    3. 5 marios in 2014

    Nintendo are industry pioneers in milking whose path in now followed by almost every major pub, but NONE matches Nintendos zeal, passion and dedication to milking.

    I salute to the true pioneer of modern video gaming industry, take a bow people.


    #15 1 year ago
  16. Lengendaryboss

    Yeah i don’t like where this is heading but i suppose the popcorn won’t make itself ;)

    #16 1 year ago
  17. Joe Musashi

    A few points:

    1) Nobody with an iota of sense regarded Pikmin as a system-selling brand. Crowing its success/failure on this basis is simply dumb.

    2) Business practices and game design are very separate things. Romanticising a personal experience you get from playing a game and translating that sensation as business practice / strategy is equally misguided.

    3) Translating what people are saying into what you think people are saying in order to make straw-men / dismissals is tiresome and immature. Just stop it.


    #17 1 year ago
  18. monkeygourmet


    It could work, I just don’t think it would happen that smoothly. Nintendo would almost certainly go handheld only.

    Also, I like MS games, but to play them I would have to get an Xbone. Thats life, we don’t have a situation where we get all games on one system.

    The closest we have to that is the PC, and, even that comes with it’s problems.

    I like having the difference a Nintendo machine offers. The PS4 / Xbone are very similar IMO, a bit of variety is always a good thing.

    Also, it’s not as if they are asking and ‘arm and a leg’ for it. You can practically buy a PS4 & Wii U for the same price as an Xbone and a game… That to me seems like a much better deal and you get the best of both.

    There isn’t really a market for 3 equally spec’ed consoles all costing £349 – £399 IMO. That would be a sure fire way of one company crashing. The Wii U is a perfect ’2nd console’, just like the Wii was.


    If these games all scored terribly, you would have more of a point.

    #18 1 year ago
  19. Dragon246

    I doubt that. Ninty cant develop on one platform without delays, do you think they can manage multi-platform development?
    Plus, they would have to seriously inflate their budget-per-title to do that, thats not something that will happen till Miyamoto and Iwata stay at the helm.
    To put it simply, if you want Ninty to become a 3rd party, hope that Iwata resigns next year, which he should after missing so many forecasts.
    They want to see 9 million Wii Us this year, they are smokin’ some serious crack I tell ya.

    #19 1 year ago
  20. viralshag

    @16, I don’t see why it’s ok for every other company under the sun to be pulled up when gamers think they are making a bad or wrong choice but for some reason when it comes to Nintendo, some people think they need to be wrapped in cotton wool.

    It’s clear that Nintendo have options that would ultimately help them improve the popularity of their systems and franchises.

    #20 1 year ago
  21. Dragon246

    I agree, I don’t have a point. Its not like internet warriors slam Ubi, EA, Acti and many more for milking when they just produce ONLY 1 game a year with 80-95 meta, let alone 8 GAMES.

    Try harder.


    #21 1 year ago
  22. Professor Zoom

    @monkey Why do you make such an effort out of defending Nintendo? Just play your games and stop worrying about what people think about your system.

    #22 1 year ago
  23. polygem

    nintendos innovations and unique ideas in gaming in the past and present pushed the industry forward. it will be the same in the future. only few games capture true magic. many nintendo games do though. that´s why people love them and keep them and don´t trade them in. gotta love nintendo games.

    #23 1 year ago
  24. monkeygourmet


    I think they have made some really shitty choices with the Wii U. But, at the same time it continues to have games I really enjoy more than most titles i’ve played on 360 / PS3 lately.

    To be honest, I’m pretty sick of shooters at the moment, although I do go through phases.

    I’ve had pretty much 1 exclusive i’ve enjoyed a month from Wii U:

    Zombie U
    Lego Undercover
    Game and Wario
    Pimin 3
    Wonderful 101 (in a few weeks)

    More are falling into place now. Even if Nintendo DID go third party in the next few years, we can assume that titles like X, Boyonetta, Zelda are still coming out on the system.

    In that respect, I going to be happy enjoying it while it lasts rather than worrying. If Miiverse was shit and I had no games to play, yes, I would be complaining a lot more.

    It has to be said, I play ALOT of couch co-op and multiplayer rather than online, maybe thats why I get more out of the system.

    #24 1 year ago
  25. Lengendaryboss

    Ok looks my seeing into the future gifts have become true: now the question is should i get involved or stay away using a ten foot pole? :)

    Maybe its because Nintendo is always the odd one out?

    #25 1 year ago
  26. Lengendaryboss

    And why does Professor Zoom always preach Doom when it comes to Nintendo?

    #26 1 year ago
  27. monkeygourmet


    Yay! Metacritic!

    and you’re preview:

    They don’t add up do they…

    Now, did you enjoy Soul Sacrifice or did you think it was shit because other reviewers put you off?

    #27 1 year ago
  28. Lengendaryboss

    Oh boy.

    #28 1 year ago
  29. polygem

    @27: funny that you mention soul sacrifice. i enjoyed the demo but the full game not so much. i just can´t get into it anymore. every time i pick it up i quit after one or two rounds and then don´t feel like touching it again. just yesterday i tried it again and then thought to myself: i doubt that i´ll ever pick it up again.
    it´s a great concept but in a mediocore game. too repetitve. i´d actually agree with the metacritic score this time.
    but vita picks up steam big time. i´m enjoying the hell out of some psn games right now. if sony will really push psn titles and the indies, it´ll become a hell of a system.
    ok, i will stop derailing right now.

    nintendo are so great because they don´t sell out. they keep being nintendo. you can count on that. they´re not like, oh shooters are the next big thing, let´s do that, ohhh console mmo shooters will be the next big thing let´s do that, ohh sports games sell well, let´s do that. no. they keep doing their stuff and continue to improve it. they are not milking their franchises, they improve on them. only people who do not play their games use that milking argument…the gameplay improves every time, sometimes it´s even a brandnew genre. so sick of peolpe judging things while obviously not even trying stuff theirselves.


    they bring pikmin 3 knowing it wont be a cash cow. they said that before…they still make the game because they feel it is important and fun. they care about their franchises and people are complaining. this is cool stuff right there. true passion.

    #29 1 year ago
  30. Joe Musashi

    Look at it this way:

    If, even with Nintendo’s dyed-in-the-wool dedicated fanbase, these are the figures and performance they’re turning around in the current market..

    …it’s not enough.

    Preaching their purity of vision and prophecies of how they will return to sales glory with the messianic coming of [insert list of unreleased/barely confirmed games here] as a result of the immaculate conception of [something something Miyamoto] doesn’t appear to be having much effect.

    Those dedicated fans are going to either have to start buying multiple copies of Nintendo games and hardware or Nintendo will need to review their strategies and take action. Platitudes and ‘please understands‘ are not working at present.


    #30 1 year ago
  31. monkeygourmet


    Yep! :)

    Just trying to point out, Metacritic means nothing if you liked a game.

    7.7 Metacritic to Dragons 9.5 preview.

    It doesn’t matter, if he enjoyed the game and got what he feels is his monies worth, more power too him.

    I did like the fact he keeps bringing up NSMB2, one of the weakest titles and it was stillrated higher than the Vita’s ‘saving grace’.

    Just goes to show, if you enjoy something, thats the main thing.

    #31 1 year ago
  32. Francis O

    Dragon, what are the sales numbers for Pikmin 3 in the US and Europe? That’s right….you don’t know

    And Clupula, You’re comparing the gaming crash to what Microsoft did in the present day just shows you nothing about what happen in the eighties, and you just hate Nintendo.

    #32 1 year ago
  33. monkeygourmet


    Business wise, It’s not great from a Wii U perspective ATM.

    But then, Nintendo have a shit load of £££ in the bank. Pokemon films, merchandise, 3DS, DS, Monster Hunter 4 coming.

    Mario / Mario Kart on Wii U…. Who knows?

    If anything is going to happen it won’t be for a loooooong time. Certainly not until mid-way through the PS4 / Xbones life cycle IMO.

    By then I will enjoyed a good number of Wii U / 3DS titles. I really don’t have a problem with that.

    #33 1 year ago
  34. viralshag

    @24, To be honest (and this MIGHT change) MS and Sony aren’t having trouble shifting home consoles.

    @25, Maybe being the odd one out isn’t the best strategy anymore. If you’re going to choose to be a step behind in terms of hardware you should at least make up with a wide range of excellent software*. That’s just not happening right now. Obviously it might change but that should happen before all interest is lost.


    #34 1 year ago
  35. Joe Musashi

    @33 But that’s the issue with such passion. Passion is great, but you’re applying your subjective experience and extrapolating it globally. You’re having fun? Great. You loved Pikmin 3? Great. That’s got nothing to do with the topic and its relevance against the scope of the climate Nintendo currently finds themselves in is quite insignificant.

    We can all admire Nintendo steadfast determination to be Nintendo. But, currently, that bullishness is not doing them any favours. It’s time to stop romanticising.


    #35 1 year ago
  36. Lengendaryboss

    Ooooh Francis is here Shit just got real people :)

    Virtually all gamers, the media and virtually all pubishers seem to disregard Nintendo’s Wii U as next-gen evident in a bunch of next gen games not coming to Wii U and even some current gen games not even gracing the system.

    Edit: thank god that was puzzling me ;)

    #36 1 year ago
  37. monkeygourmet


    I know what your saying.

    If I start to analyse what business models work at the moment, I don’t really wnat to be part in that future of gaming.

    Just because it works or makes money, doesn’t mean it’s ‘for me’.

    The Xbone is a good example. Im not really keen on it’s business model, Im opting out.

    Subscriptions, annual AAA franchises, Free 2 Play, DLC thats on the disc, paid for online etc etc…

    These things aren’t working for me.

    Same as re-makes of films like Friday the 13th. Yeah, they may sell. Doesn’t mean i’m going to watch that shit though.

    #37 1 year ago
  38. polygem

    @35: that´s the question. maybe it´s enough for them. if they make profit they make profit. they don´t want to sell out. they are willing to make compromises but they don´t want to let the market fully dictate what to do next as a games company. i think that´s great and must be supported. you call it romanticising, i call it brave.

    #38 1 year ago
  39. polygem

    i have to go for now but will check later…another nintendo discussion. the highlights on this page!

    #39 1 year ago
  40. Joe Musashi

    @38 When people substantiate their views with reference to ‘magic’ then, yes, it’s romanticising. Nintendo magic is precisely as real as PC magic. And Sony magic. And Microsoft magic.


    #40 1 year ago
  41. Francis O

    People are quick to Doom Nintendo but we all know Nintendo is fine financially. They made 88 million in profit for Q1 and didn’t have any of their big games out.

    Pikmin 3 is a 4GB download summer title. It’s selling good. And is on track to beat the sales of Pikmin 2. Satoru Iwata announced that the streetpass games on 3DS has generated $4 million in sales with little to no promotion.

    Nintendo is dominating with the 3DS, and has the franchises that will boost the Wii U. I’ve been playing Pikmin 3 and it’s fantastic. Instead of people on this thread are talking about sales and trying to prove they are right instead of actually playing the game and finding out if they would like it.

    It’s all good. Pikmin 3 is just the start. The Wonderful 101, Sonic Lost World, Zelda, Wii Party U, DKC Tropical Freeze, Super Mario 3D World, and Wii Fit U this year.

    #41 1 year ago
  42. RandomTiger

    Pikmin 3 is amazing though I can see it wouldn’t be for everyone.

    #42 1 year ago
  43. Joe Musashi

    @41 “..It’s selling good..”

    Step 1: Denial.


    #43 1 year ago
  44. Lengendaryboss

    The top class damage control right there ;)

    Its what i find funny you complain about a certain someone damage controlling Sony and you don’t realize thats exactly what your doing with Nintendo: although different methods. Its hypocritical.

    Also Francis “the definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing over and over and over again expecting shit to change.” Far Cry 3. Vaas. Keep that in mind okay?

    #44 1 year ago
  45. Francis O

    How am I damage controlling? I stated all facts. Pikmin 3 is selling good. And it is on track to beat Pikmin 2 sales. wtf? Dragon damaged controlled Sony making the least amount of profit out of the big three after tearing Nitnendo’s financial reports to shreads. Dragon proclaimed the overseas sales of Pikmin 3 were bad before the game was even released in America….and there are still no raw numbers, yet he’s claiming its selling bad. LOL

    Step one: you’re an idiot, who thought we don’t own our own games. Pikmin 3 is selling good. There is no denial going on. Every game isn’t going to sell like GTA.

    #45 1 year ago
  46. monkeygourmet

    One thing that has pissed me off though is Nintendo seemed ‘un-prepared’ (HD games production etc…).

    The Wii U should have been ready to go, no questions asked. Games SHOULD be ready and available at a quicker pace.

    They should have realised that after the 3DS although I am going to find it interesting how MS / Sony keep up the pace after launch. It’s not easy…

    Third parties will help to fill gaps though, a luxary Nintendo hasn’t got ATM.

    I also want to see Miyamoto’s new IP. If it’s Wii Music 2 though, i’ll be a bit pissed off.

    #46 1 year ago
  47. Francis O


    “the definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing over and over and over again expecting shit to change.” Far Cry 3. Vaas.

    yeah cause Sony, MS, and the gaming industry have so many new games lined up for the PS4 and Xbox One like: Battlefield 4, Assassin’ Creed 4, Killzone Shadowfall, Forza 5, and Call of Duty Ghosts.

    #47 1 year ago
  48. Lengendaryboss


    “Dragon damaged controlled Sony making the least amount of profit out of the big three after tearing Nitnendo’s financial reports to shreads.” Again is that not the same-thing your doing although a different method: That right there is your handiwork. So keep up being a hypocrite.

    You continually insist that “It’s all good. Pikmin 3 is just the start. The Wonderful 101, Sonic Lost World, Zelda, Wii Party U, DKC Tropical Freeze, Super Mario 3D World, and Wii Fit U this year.” That is damage control if you can’t see then god help you. its exactly what Joe said: Step 1 Denial.
    Something you might like:

    “yeah cause Sony, MS, and the gaming industry have so many new games lined up for the PS4 and Xbox One like: Battlefield 4, Assassin’ Creed 4, Killzone Shadowfall, Forza 5, and Call of Duty Ghosts.”

    Why not mention Knack, Driveclub, The Order 1886, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Powerstar Golf, Crimson Dragon, Ryse: Son of Rome, The Crew, Destiny, Watch Dogs or The Division and much more: you always do this you omit details just to suit your points: just because you don’t state it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

    #48 1 year ago
  49. Francis O


    You like keeping tabs on me don’t you? LOL, And no it’s not the same thing I did. I didn’t tear Sony’s financial reports to shreads.

    Me saying that Pikmin 3 is good is damage control and me mentioning other games is damage control? You need to define damage control for me then. The UK sales charts is hardly anything to damage control.

    I mentioned the big games that everybody is talking about with PS4 and Xbox One for launch. The Order, The Crew and many of the game you mentioned are not launch titles.

    Drive Club is a PS Plus subscription game right? I’ve seen it, but I’m failing to see what makes it new?

    Knack is ass by the way, It’s not worth mentioning.

    #49 1 year ago
  50. DrDamn

    Impressive self ownage …

    “Pikmin 3 is selling good … and there are still no raw numbers, yet he’s claiming its selling bad. LOL”

    #50 1 year ago
  51. Francis O


    - I was going off the Japanese numbers, that’s how I know its’ on pace to pass Pikmin 2′s sales. I should have said that though. That’s the only region we actually know the numbers in.

    Dragon was proclaiming the sales are bad for North America and Europe before we even get sales numbers.

    #51 1 year ago
  52. viralshag

    @50, Well duh, of course it’s “selling good” (or selling well would be my choice). I mean look, it made it to NUMBER 2! That’s like, one position worse than Aliens: Colonial Marines! And hey that only dropped to #5 the following week… Oh, Pikman dropped to #15… Ouch.

    Disclaimer: I actually have nothing against Pikman.

    #52 1 year ago
  53. DrDamn


    Whilst vgchartz can be bobbins for lots of sales numbers they tend to stick fairly close to MediaCreate stuff for Japan don’t they?

    Also …

    How is that on pace to pass Pikmin 2?

    #53 1 year ago
  54. Dragon246

    Oh shit, Monkey exposed me. WHAT SHOULD I DO?

    Simply put, that was my SUBJECTIVE opinion on a game demo, not the game. However, I will still rate it higher than meta.

    Then again, we were discussing sales, so its great you brought out SS, since I was completely RIGHT with my prediction-
    1. I said – SS will be a system seller in Japan.
    Truth- YES, I was correct. Its 2nd best selling Vita game there. In fact, the week SS released was the only week Vita outsold 3DS, so I was spectacularly right.

    2. I said- It would shift no Vitas in the west and would neither have awesome sales.
    Truth- Right again. In fact, ask LB. I said him the same thing, before SS even launched.

    So voila, I was correct about SS.

    What were your WiiU predictions by the way? :D :D :D
    LOL. Come back after Ninty magic has worn off.

    Please go back to unless you want me to make you run away.
    Unfortunately for you, I source financial FACTS from very very trusted sources, more trusted than

    The stock rose 0.9 percent to 2,123 yen at the close of trade in Tokyo. Sony shares have more than doubled this year as Japan’s benchmark Topix index added 39 percent.

    Sony reported first-quarter net income of 3.48 billion yen in the three months ended June 30, compared with a loss of 24.6 billion yen a year earlier. Profit was expected to be 2.6 billion yen, according to the median estimate of five analysts surveyed by Bloomberg News. ”

    What does it read?
    Sorry Francis, you cant pull your antics on me, ever.

    Btw, if someone wants to compare Ninty to anyone, it should be Acti. They both have roughly the same cash reserves. Sony and MS are LEAGUES above them.

    Now Pikmin 3, it would be fair to say I follow numbers a lot. Its NOT SURPASSING PIKMIN 2 at this pace.
    And I talked about western numbers only after it was released in EU. Safe to say, it BOMBED! Its second week UK numbers are definitely less than 10k (around 5k probably).
    How did I get to that number? Simple. TLOU sold about 20k 2 weeks ago while still at #1. So, it bombed.

    @LB and Francis,
    You know, the definition of insanity line was spoken in its original form by Einstein. More you know :D

    And lastly about VGChartz, what they probably do with Japan numbers is that they add MC and Famitsu numbers, and then divide by 2.

    #54 1 year ago
  55. Lengendaryboss

    So before it was “yeah cause Sony, MS, and the gaming industry have so many new games lined up for the PS4 and Xbox One like: Battlefield 4, Assassin’ Creed 4, Killzone Shadowfall, Forza 5, and Call of Duty Ghosts.”

    And now its “I mentioned the big games that everybody is talking about with PS4 and Xbox One for launch.” I don’t see launch, i don’t see big games, i don’t see everyone all i see is you saying new games.

    But then in the exact same paragraph “I’ve seen it, but I’m failing to see what makes it new?” you went back to before. So you went before, then after and then before. Thats right Francis keep backtracking as usual.

    As for keeping tabs on you, thats beside the point: you don’t say someone is damage controlling and you yourself are damage controlling (you just fail to see it)

    New games

    New: “already existing but seen, experienced, or acquired recently or now for the first time”

    #55 1 year ago
  56. Lengendaryboss

    This what you’re looking for?
    “Point is, SS probably cant sell consoles, so marketing it wont be much beneficial, and it probably already made a decent enough profit based on very good Japanese sales.”

    Gotcha about Einstein, but i kept in a game universe Francis hates :D

    #56 1 year ago
  57. Joe Musashi

    @45 “you’re an idiot, who thought we don’t own our own games.”

    Step 2: Anger

    Also: You don’t own the games you play.


    #57 1 year ago
  58. Francis O


    Sony only made 35 million in profit….confirmed. They left the Vita off the reports cause it was bombing. The Last of Us released in June in North America and the PS3 was still outsold by the Xbox 360 and 3DS for June NPD.

    Sony’s gaming division hasn’t made a significant profit since the PS2 days, that’s why they are selling their buildings, stocks, and laying off various studios this generation. If everything was going ok for them they wouldn’t be doing those things.

    Yes, the numbers are going to pass up Pikmin 2 because of Digital Sales, which Pikmin 2 didn’t have the liberty of having. I purchased my copy of Pikmin 3 digitally, and I know a lot of people did the same because of Various promotions.

    Oh and by the way Dragon, Pikmin is number 5, not 15 on the charts. The chart VG is using is all formats

    #58 1 year ago
  59. Francis O


    “Also: You don’t own the games you play.”

    Step 3: Moronic

    #59 1 year ago
  60. Lengendaryboss

    You’ve already passed that step apparently.

    #60 1 year ago
  61. Lengendaryboss

    “and I know a lot of people did the same because of Various promotions.”
    So? That means what? Does that count in EU/JP or do you not have contacts there.
    Just like the two people who said Nintendo was going to buy Atlus?

    Just because you know people doesn’t amount to nothing in the grand scheme of things.

    #61 1 year ago
  62. DrDamn

    “Yes, the numbers are going to pass up Pikmin 2 because of Digital Sales”

    And we are back to numbers we don’t have again aren’t we?

    #62 1 year ago
  63. Joe Musashi

    Seems appropriate.


    #63 1 year ago
  64. polygem

    what we´re not discussing here is the sad part. IF a game like pikmin, which is creative, unique and different doesn´t sell good but an uninspired game like assassins creed sells well…isn´t that sad? it´s telling a lot about where this industry is heading to.
    good that there´s animal crossing in the top 3.

    @Joe: i did not create the term nintendo magic. it´s pretty common, often used in nintendo game reviews. it´s really there btw, in many of their games. it´s not owned by them. i think plants vs zombies, demons souls and hotline miami have this kind of magic as well but nintendo has a freaking flatrate for it.

    #64 1 year ago
  65. Lengendaryboss

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so that means whatever you want it to mean.

    As for AC selling more than Pikmin 3 well it is available on more platforms (over 100 million systems bought: PS3/360/PC/Wii U and 0 install base PS4/Xbox One) and Pikmin 3 is available exclusively on Wii U with a install base less than 4 Million? (don’t quote me on that).

    Anyway it is all about what the market wants and clearly they enjoy the yearly sequels like FIFA, COD and AC, i suppose the key word “enjoy” says it all. Anyway don’t condemn what people enjoy, but embrace it i guess.

    #65 1 year ago
  66. monkeygourmet


    At no point did I talk about sales of Pikmin 3 in this thread.

    I was talking about the potential of Nintendo’s future as a third party dev (mainly in response to @1) and what innovations they have brought to the table.

    You mentioned sales first, which was fine and on topic (@4).

    When I responded to Clupula RE innovation, you chimed in. Again, failing to address me directly with your Mario list. You also did a bit of stealth editing if i’m not mistaken.

    You cleverly (is that the word), failed to address any of the other points I had, instead resorting to posting a metacritic of one of the poorest recieved Mario games of recent times, and comparing it to COD (You keep bringing NSMB 2 up, kindly avoiding titles like Mario 3D Land).

    When I pointed out that Metacritic holds absolutly no value when playing a game that YOU like you have brought completly different things into the mix.

    I never said you were wrong about sales regarding SS. But then, I didn’t start talking about sales for Pikmin 3 here…

    Do I really have to break it down?

    #66 1 year ago
  67. Joe Musashi

    ‘Magic’ doesn’t exist. (Sorry kids, neither does Santa). If you lack the ability to put into words whatever sensation you feel when playing a certain brand of videogame then that’s a deficiency on your part. If you genuinely believe you points can be taken seriously when you back them up by quoting ‘magic’ then that’s another deficiency on your part.

    And if you think I’m being needlessly realistic than, well, that’s deficiency number three.


    #67 1 year ago
  68. dreamcastnews

    Come on now gents, you all know by now that you’re never going to change each other’s opinions – why bother? Life’s way too short to be smack talking each other via the Internet.

    EDIT : @Joe Musashi, Disney would certainly disagree considering most of their products are branded ‘Disney Magic’.


    #68 1 year ago
  69. Lengendaryboss


    #69 1 year ago
  70. Lengendaryboss

    There is a difference between opinions, facts, haters, fanboys, rational people, insulters, blinded by fanboynism, lack of sense of perspective and being a hypocrite: Those apply to the relevant people in this thread.

    #70 1 year ago
  71. monkeygourmet


    Mario Kart Drift Mechanics
    Waverace – Waves
    Mario’s Control, triple jump etc…
    Star Fox Barrel Roll, score link
    Pikmin’s Control
    Zelda, targeting system & Dungeons

    etc… etc…

    Other games have those gameplay mechanics that is how I define that ‘magic’. It’s not very easy to create that feeling, hence why many games fall flat.

    Other good examples for me are:

    Halo – Rush and Melee
    Gears of War – Reload mechanic
    Ridge Racer – Powerslide
    Demon Souls – Online

    Games that are good but fail to create that feeling are things like:

    Uncharted IMO. Great looking but the gameplay is very basic.

    These are factors that never get ‘old’ IMO, gameplay mechanics are something Nintendo nearly always ‘nails’ and this is what I would refer too if I had to define it.

    #71 1 year ago
  72. polygem

    @67: dude you just need more fantasy! it´s a word, a term, a metaphor to describe that the game has a special feeling and vibe to it, a recipe that makes everything work together just right…nothing else.

    talking about recipes and remembering something you posted a few days ago: maybe next time don´t make your wife cook the meal for you – just do it yourself, cook for her – it´s fun and less chauvinistic as well. it might help you to think out of the box too. relax, open up, take that damn stick out of your edifying butt.

    #72 1 year ago
  73. dreamcastnews

    @70, true, but it’s the same old circus each time. Somebody declares Nintendo screwed, somebody comes back with Nintendo being fine, somebody brings up some loose facts about something not relevant, somebody attacks someone, somebody attacks somebody else to the point where some members start to look a little juvenile. I don’t understand why VG247 doesn’t just have a ‘block user’ feature so say, Francis doesn’t have to see Dragon’s posts and vice-versa. It just seems there’s always going to be the same comments used. Sometimes I believe the best thing some members can bring to these discussions is silence.

    #73 1 year ago
  74. Joe Musashi

    @73 If you know it’s going to be the same circus then you don’t need to view or involve yourself in it.

    There is absolutely no need for a site to install a means of supressing what people wish to say. If you find it unpalateable then you need only scroll past it and ignore it. You need nothing but a small amount of willpower and discipline.

    @72 (and 71 to a degree) At most you are coining the term ‘magic’ to reference a good combination of game mechanics with your own subjectivity mixed in with them. Branding it after one, preferred, company implicitly suggests it is absent anywhere else. Which it most certainly isn’t. It’s cute that it makes Nintendo look so special, it’s utterly disingenious to any other game, on any other platform by any other developer that achieves the same result. And there have been many.

    Thank you for your suggestion but I have a suitable amount of fantasy in my life. But when the very real question of “Why are unit sales of product X where they are?” comes up nobody that would ever want to be taken seriously would contemplate referencing the misappropriation of ‘magic’ anywhere in their response.

    There is a place for magic. This isn’t it.


    #74 1 year ago
  75. Dragon246

    I was going to type something, but JM nailed it.

    Btw, I am having a real hard time contemplating why Assassins Creed selling more than Pikmin (or X selling more than Y) is bad. AC is more popular, that is it, if you aren’t happy with that, move along, nothing magical ’bout it.

    #75 1 year ago
  76. monkeygourmet


    It’s the market place isn’t it.

    Wii U is deemed underpowered, lots of people are waiting for next gen consoles which they believe will take them to the next level.

    360 / PS3 are hugely installed at the moment.

    This could ultimately lead in a company going under if things went really bad. Ultimately, some people are lamenting that possibility, some are relishing in the thought, others see third party as a way out.

    Even though I much preferred my NES / SNES to my Megadrive, I was still pretty gutted when Sega left the hardware market. Even their early Xbox titles like Panzer Dragoon & Otagi couldn’t capture some of their original spirit and we now ended up with a lot of mediocre Sonic games and such.

    #76 1 year ago
  77. monkeygourmet


    Because then publishers think:

    ‘Thats what people want’

    The risk is, you end up with diluted quality or bad reboots. Or games like Dead Space turning into a shooter.

    Look at people chasing the COD crown, it’s futile. Sometimes you have to carve a new path.

    #77 1 year ago
  78. Lengendaryboss

    #78 1 year ago
  79. sebastien rivas

    It makes me wonder 1 point with all these great posts.

    Do we have a hardware saturation, and do we approach a game saturation.

    Over the last decade, are games selling in bigger numbers but for fewer titles or less numbers but for more titles?

    Are console generation cost to manufacture versus costs at store for consumers getting better or worse for the manufacturer?

    According to some of these great posts, future of gaming industry as we know sounds gloomy

    #79 1 year ago
  80. polygem

    @joe, i explained it already, here you go again. maybe your head´s too thick:

    “i did not create the term nintendo magic. it´s pretty common, often used in nintendo game reviews. it´s really there btw, in many of their games. it´s not owned by them. i think plants vs zombies, demons souls and hotline miami have this kind of magic as well but nintendo has a freaking flatrate for it.

    it´s a word, a term, a metaphor to describe that the game has a special feeling and vibe to it, a recipe that makes everything work together just right…nothing else.”

    nintendo magic describes this feeling, it´s just a short cut to say: hey this game has this special nintendo feel to it which makes everything feel so great.

    if you have a problem with that you might take a look at yourself first to find out why.

    (Edit: and i really mean it because, man, you seem to have some serious issues).

    @Dragon: “Btw, I am having a real hard time contemplating why Assassins Creed selling more than Pikmin (or X selling more than Y) is bad”

    sure. you might be good in posting numbers and fighting the fanboy fight but i wouldn´t trust your taste in games :)

    #80 1 year ago
  81. Lengendaryboss

    God no the future of gaming isn’t gloomy, its either:
    A. Based off generalisations off this generation.
    B. Misunderstanding the policies and business practices in place.
    C. Obsessive fanboynism to one brand and stereotyping what the other brands do (which Francis is very good at).
    D. Misjudging sales figures of games.
    E. Next generation lineup of games just include shooters and nothing else (See Francis’s post).

    Etc, etc. the future of gaming isn’t gloom just have people being cynics thats all.

    #81 1 year ago
  82. Joe Musashi

    @80 Repeating a fallacy doesn’t make it become real.

    Adding (further) personal digs doesn’t help your so-called point either. Grow up.


    #82 1 year ago
  83. monkeygourmet


    You’d have to agree that the suits now have their feet firmly in the door though?

    Gaming is huge business and the nickel and diming has only just begun. COD has been the poster boy with ‘f2p’ following happily behind.

    #83 1 year ago
  84. polygem

    i added another personal dig joe, just to keep you updated.
    i just try to counter your shit, that´s all.

    and that´s a tough job since you throw shit as if you were kali on cocaine.

    #84 1 year ago
  85. Joe Musashi

    Oh, but I believe it’s magic, polygem. So there you go. You can’t argue with it.

    Magic, see?

    But it’s good to see you admit you’re no longer trying to discuss and just going the ad hominem route you usually go. I guess I should be lucky you’ve not yet turned into an abusive potty-mouth.


    #85 1 year ago
  86. monkeygourmet


    You didn’t really acknowledge Poly stated earlier it wasn’t Nintendo exclusive. I also added a list.

    You seem to be playing dumb when you obviously know full well what people are getting at.

    Who even mentioned Nintendo magic first?

    I made a thread the other day to discuss play control and such. I called it the Nintendo Difference I think. Is that more quantifiable to you?

    #86 1 year ago
  87. polygem

    #87 1 year ago
  88. Joe Musashi

    @86 I’m aware of the topic you created. I’ve played enough games on enough platforms over enough decades to know what it is and to know it’s not specific to one brand.


    #88 1 year ago
  89. polygem

    @Joe: thank you for posting that link. i am proud of it. it NEEDED to be said.

    spread the word.

    #89 1 year ago
  90. polygem

    @88: noone ever said it´s specific to a brand. ffs, i even mentioned some other games. there are much more, sure. it´s a shortcut to describe…well, i wont explain it a third time to you.

    #90 1 year ago
  91. Lengendaryboss

    COD is on the decline even on pre-orders (which Activision blames on next-gen hah) at some-point it will fade into irrelevancy although its not a question of if? but when? Edit: if developers want to copy let them, but there are plenty of alternatives to shooters.

    F2P is a market for people who want it, just like Pricy DLC, Microtransactions are bought by people. If people wish to pay £59.99 for a game its their choice (a very silly one of course).

    Your only taken advantage of if you chose to be in this scenario.

    #91 1 year ago
  92. Joe Musashi

    I like how a flurry of multiple posts demonstrate a penchant for replying to something before the commenter has actually read it.

    The pretence at superiority is undermined by that ineptitude.


    #92 1 year ago
  93. polygem

    Joe, i think you are a true genius. will you marry me?

    #93 1 year ago
  94. Clupula

    @41 – Whoa. I’m getting dizzy from all the spin you just put on this.

    And I’m not quite sure where I mentioned the game crash, which had nothing to do with Sony, Nintendo, or Microsoft, as Nintendo was just a third party back then. I remember buying some of their games on my Colecovision.

    I didn’t mention Atari or Coleco or Mattel, so I’m not sure why you suddenly whipped out that nonsense out of your ass.

    What I mentioned happened during the SNES days. You know, when Nintendo’s home consoles were still relevant?

    #94 1 year ago
  95. SplatteredHouse

    Nintendo !=consistent: Problem.

    #95 1 year ago
  96. Clupula

    @Monkey – I would never deny that Nintendo have made some very innovative games. I think they’re certainly milking their franchises now, but that doesn’t take away from the origins of those franchises. But then again, I think you could make an argument that all three of the major companies have been innovative in their own ways and all three have copied from each other in certain ways.

    My post was about their business practices, which you did acknowledge have sometimes been shifty, as have all three companies (and Sega, when they were a major player, for that matter).

    #96 1 year ago
  97. Dragon246

    Those 3 words made my day :D

    The hilarity of this thread is really something.
    Keep it up!

    #97 1 year ago
  98. Clupula

    What just happened? lol

    #98 1 year ago
  99. Dragon246

    Major reason why pre orders of COD and many other franchises (FIFA too has low po) is because of next-gen, since people are undecided about which version to buy.
    Franchise fatigue could be a reason too, its just not that big as its meant to be in this case imo.
    One thing is clear though, sales are going to be through the roof this holiday season, something we all should be happy about.

    #99 1 year ago
  100. sebastien rivas

    @ 99

    One thing is clear though, sales are going to be through the roof this holiday season

    I am already in the starting block and that for weeks for Destiny, Wolfenstein, Mad Max, and maybe witcher 3 or TESO or EQ Next.

    #100 1 year ago
  101. polygem

    @Dragon: i know i just broke your heart.

    #101 1 year ago
  102. Dragon246

    You bet!

    #102 1 year ago
  103. monkeygourmet


    I also mentioned that in my thread, Poly did here with a few games he cared to list which I again, added too.

    Ultimately I would like to hear an arguement against the importance Nintendo put on playability (the magic if you will).

    When Nintendo decides to enter or create a genre, you can be damn sure they have thought it through and try to make even doing mundane things in the game a joy or satisfying.

    They tried Jetsking with Wave Race and nailed water physics and the feel of racing. Games like Jet Moto looked poor in comparison.

    They took on Snowboarding with 1080, and absolutely smashed Cool Boarders out of the park.

    They took Mario into 3D and showed people how 3D platformers should work.

    They took Wii Music and… Er, actually forget that one! :)

    Anyway, you get the picture. What I’m saying is they seem to give games ALOT of love and attention, especially when it comes to player interaction and feedback. I can’t really think of a dev that has bettered them in a genre when Nintendo puts their mind to perfecting something.

    And that, especially these days is something to be supported IMO.

    #103 1 year ago

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