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Pachter has harsh words for Wii U, thinks Activision should buy Take-Two

Thursday, 6th December 2012 20:28 GMT By Stephany Nunneley

During a talk at the Game Monetization Summit analyst Michael Pachter said he doesn’t see Wii U being supported once next gen systems come out; plus, he thinks its possible Activision will buy a majority stake in Take-Two if not buy it outright.

Here’s a few select quotes from his talk, courtesy of GI International:

Wii U

“I think you’re going to see now with the Wii U, notwithstanding its early launch support, nobody’s going to support it. I don’t think we’re going to see every game on the Wii U next year. I think when next-gen consoles come out they’re going to be better than the Wii U. Call of Duty is amazing on the Wii U this year. The problem with playing Call of Duty online is it’s a community and if there’s only four people playing it on the Wii U it’s no fun. Nobody in their right mind would buy a Wii U and say ‘I’m going to play Call of Duty.’ That’s like saying ‘I gave up Facebook, and it’s Google+ now’.”

Next-gen

“Next-generation consoles are going to have big hard drives, they’re also going to have disc drives. I would guess that the PS4 and the Xbox 720 will have 2 TB hard drives. That pretty much means you can download anything you want and never get rid of anything. You’ll have room for a couple of hundred games, no problem.”

Activision, Bungie

“Vivendi’s going to screw up Activision for the next couple of years, because they’re going to cause them to borrow money and buy back stock. I think the first thing Activision buys is Take-Two, because that fits in very nicely. Activision should buy Zynga – I just don’t think Mark Pincus is a seller. I think Zynga has great assets, they have really good franchises, they have a ton of revenue, and I think run more efficiently they’d make a ton of money. THQ is not investable. Activision and EA make tons of money, so they are interesting investments. Take-Two doesn’t make very much money but they have really great assets, so I think they remain attractive.”

“Prediction: The next Bungie game will be single-player only; the multiplayer aspect of that game will be subscription only.Activision’s going to try it, because they’re greedy pigs, and they’re bold.”

Pachter also discussed digital distribution, and why Zynga is a “train wreck”. He also feels Call of Duty is a failure due to “Activision doing a bad thing with Call of Duty from a profit perspective,” he said. “This multiplayer thing being free was a mistake. I don’t think anybody ever envisioned it would be this big. It’s a mistake because it keeps those people from buying and playing other games.”

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58 Comments

  1. DSB

    I think it might rain tomorrow. I think that rain might be wet. I think the rain is going to fall on the ground.

    But hey, caveat emptor and all that jazz.

    Also… There’s a game monetization summit? I really hope that’s some sort of obscure coffee club that only seats about 5 people, all of whom know eachother.

    #1 2 years ago
  2. Yoshi

    They can… *cough* to put it nicely… FUCK OFF AND STAY AWAY FROM TAKE-TWO.

    I for one don’t want an annualized GTA franchise.

    #2 2 years ago
  3. Francis O

    I really disagree on his stance with Wii U. Developers will create unique projects on Wii U that will look fine. Japanese developers have already started moving all their console games to Wii U, like Monster Hunter, and Dragon Quest. Nintendo has a staple of First party games that will drive the install base up, therefore forcing developers to make games for the system. Even the Wii version of Call of Duty Black Ops sold over 1.5 million units. Give Nintendo a chance to build up their install base.

    #3 2 years ago
  4. Bomba Luigi

    I really have no Idea how the Future of the WiiU will look like. What Patcher says is possible, but you don’t need to be an Expert to see this Possibility. .

    The WiiU can going down, or it owns the Market for some Years like the Wii. Everything is possible. I was way more Pessimistic about the Future of Nintendo when I got the Wii, but the WiiU actually feels good. So I am Optimistic for now.

    #4 2 years ago
  5. Clupula

    The Wii U predictions are pretty much just common sense. We all know it’s going to be Nintendo’s Dreamcast.

    The rest just sounds like him pulling things out of his ass.

    #5 2 years ago
  6. Beta

    “Thinks Activision should buy Take-Two” Just when I thought I couldn’t hate this man anymore.

    Sod off Activision. We don’t all like annual games and stupidly expensive DLC. :P

    Edit* Well thank God for that! ;) http://www.cybercrimesunit.com/as-grand-theft-auto-game-sales-increase-take-two-boss-says-annualised-ip/

    #6 2 years ago
  7. Francis O

    @Clupula you fail to know history but you use it in your argument. The Dreamcast went down because of a lack of games, not system power. Sega’s own games were not as good as Sony’s, Microsoft’s, and Nintendo’s.

    Sega’s failed previous consoles did them in as well. The Sega CD, 32X, emptied Sega’s bank accounts and they bailed on Dreamcast due to a lack of funds.

    Nintendo is in no such position and has enough capital for years if not decades to come. The Wii, DS, DSi, were very profitable.

    Nintendo also has so many more IPs than Sega had that sells well. Mario Kart Wii sold more units on the Wii than Dreamcast sold consoles. Super Smash Bros, Zelda, Metroid, Nintendo has too many franchise to bow out like Sega did.

    The Dreamcast was cool and all but we all know Sega failed to adapt their franchises to the technology. Most people still like the old Sega Sonic games more than Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast.

    #7 2 years ago
  8. dreamcastnews

    @7 the DC most certainly did NOT fail due to lack of games and games quality…. Look at the machines with the highest meta critic scores for games and Dreamcast is in the top 3, Sega ran out of money and could no longer market the machine, a simple Wikipedia search would show this is you want a ‘history’ lesson.

    The Dreamcast had 600+ official games in under 3 years…. Look at how many the GameCube and Xbox managed in 5 years on the market and you’ll see Sega certainly didn’t lack support.

    #8 2 years ago
  9. rokussi

    Please Actvision, don’t buy Take Two.
    Take Two rocks and you suck!

    #9 2 years ago
  10. polygem

    @Clupula…you have never been offensive, you are always about facts not rants. i know. you are making that clear yet again.

    i played blops 2 tonite on the wii u. with the (really great!) wii u pro controller and on the touchpad. i have the 360 version too. i prefer the wii u version hands down and i already prefer the wiiu community.

    the wii u is here to stay. if you played one you´ll know. at this point it is the greatest console on the market imho…what happens when ps4nextbox roll out? well i will judge then.

    #10 2 years ago
  11. absolutezero

    http://youtu.be/TE7kXJe0PUs

    Everytime.

    #11 2 years ago
  12. Sini

    fucking google had to fuck with youtube looks again

    #12 2 years ago
  13. Phoenixblight

    Thankfully Take Two isn’t selling.

    #13 2 years ago
  14. DeyDoDoughDontDeyDough

    Sorry, but if you think the Wii U isn’t basically going to be reliving the story of 3D0, you need to repeatedly punch yourself in the balls until some modicum of common sense appears to save you.

    No one is necessarily saying it’s a bad console, or that people aren’t having fun with it, but you need to separate that ‘emotion’ you have there from commercial reality. It won’t sell to enough people once the early adoption stage is out of the way to garner third-party support. And it will die.

    This time next year, Nintendo will have reduced its price to <£150 and still nobody will be buying one. Nobody. Pop back and have a gander at this post next November and we'll see who is right, eh?

    #14 2 years ago
  15. G1GAHURTZ

    He’s just repeating what I’ve already said about Wii U.

    I seriously doubt that many people are going to pick up the Wii U version of MW4, for example, if (which it almost certainly will be) it’s released on 720/PS4.

    #15 2 years ago
  16. monkeygourmet

    @14

    I don’t think it’s as cut and dried as you make out…

    We haven’t even seen Sony & MS’s offering yet, and although there’s a good chance they’ll bring more power, there’s also a good chance they’ll bring other things with them that a lot of gamers may not like:

    Advertising increase
    Non gaming Media focus
    Subscriptions
    More Season passes
    Always on online
    DRM
    No second hand market

    Im not saying these things are definate, but you can definatly see it’s the way MS and Sony are heading. Nintendo is also guilty of things like this (Tvii, Panorama view etc…), but looks to be more games focused with the Wii U (cheaper dev costs etc…)

    What im saying is; there could be a lot of unhappy people on the reveal of 720 & PS4.

    The same thing was said about the Wii remember, Sony and MS are fighting a battle Nintendo is not. If anyone will ‘bow out’, it’s more likely to be Sony…

    Nintendo only needs to release:

    Zelda U
    Mario U
    Pokemon U
    Mario Kart U
    Animal Crossing U
    Star Fox U
    Metriod U
    Pikmin (Already coming)
    Smash Brothers (Already Coming)
    F Zero
    Wave Race U
    Project Zero U
    Harvest Moon U
    Fire Emblem U
    Advance Wars U
    Yoshi’s Island U
    Donkey Kong U
    Mario Party U

    Nintendo don’t need third parties as much as Sony & MS do. I mainly buy Nintendo Consoles for the exclusives, many of which are seen as the finest examples in gaming.

    And that pretty much secures the Wii U’s success for at least 5 years… Who knows, maybe then they’ll move straight onto tablet / handheld devices?

    Nintendo has timed there consoles for profit far better than MS or Sony IMO, they managed to sell the Wii and make profit straight out the gate.

    #16 2 years ago
  17. monkeygourmet

    @15

    We already know what MW4 will look like.

    It’ll look like MW3 does now on the PC, it’s no great loss.

    The Wii didn’t really suffer without it.

    #17 2 years ago
  18. G1GAHURTZ

    ^ Complete rubbish.

    MW3 on PC looks like it does because it’s a port from the 360.

    There are 40 million monthly CoD players across all platforms, and I’d be willing to guess that less than 2% of those are on any Wii version.

    I’m quite certain that no CoD fan with their own disposable income plays CoD on a Wii.

    Stop kidding yourself.

    #18 2 years ago
  19. Dragon246

    He may well be right on wiiu. About his other predictions, I am only unsure about Take Two part, otherwise everything may well be correct.
    WiiU may face real troubles if it fails to attract others outside ninty crowd, as we saw with gamecube.
    Of course, too early to predict (but early sign are not good). Cash conscious consumers should wait for 1-2 years before taking the plunge in next-gen as we would have a clear picture by then.

    #19 2 years ago
  20. ManuOtaku

    I dont agree with him, i think the WiiU will be more supported than the Wii was, because of two things; first the unity deal, that will improve the indie support on the console, which will mean more indie games than with the wii.

    And secondly because of the scale down form of games on the WiiU, it will run Unreal engine 4 and or any of the newst engine tools, in scalable form of course, something the wii lacked and didnt had, because it didnt support any of the biggest engines this gen, therefore it will be easy to publishers/developers to port games without major efforts and money involved, that will mean easy money, something they will not pass, with the wii they didnt had the option the tech was not there, with the WiiU it is, just in scale down form.

    Also i do believe as people will keep hands down with the console, with friends, stands, worth of mouth, it will do fine, you just need to prove it, to see that it works good, it works way better than the Wii with their initial motion controller, i mean the wii motion controller didnt worked 1-1 gesture from the box, just in adventure games, it did had to wait for the add on in order to have the zelda skysword or red steel 2, in order to get that 1-1 gesture ratio, but with the WiiU you get from the box, what it sets out to do, playing outside the tv with asynchronous multiplayer games experiences, something that will not need a lot of time to prove it.

    #20 2 years ago
  21. absolutezero

    Man I’m so glad people are talking the same bollocks they spewed about the Wii as the WiiU.

    Oh and have been chatting about the PC for the past decade.

    Its doomed!

    #21 2 years ago
  22. monkeygourmet

    @18

    Your assuming they will release a new engine for the next Call of Duty?

    If anything, it’ll be the same engine for MW4 with a few more bells and whistles for the PS4 & 720 launch (Should those consoles arrive sometime around Nov next year)…

    I won’t really be until BLOPS 3 / MW5 that maybe we’ll see another COD engine that takes advantage of newer hardware. Thats 2 years time!!!

    Even then, there’s a good chance it’ll be scalable to tap into the huge install base the 360 and PS3 will still have, so, there’s a good chance the Wii U will see another couple of COD titles.

    Thats assuming it’s still even the same game by then…

    Will it be free to play multi player only subscription based? Who knows?

    In 2 years a lot can change.

    I don’t think many people are buying a Wii U for COD, it’s just a nice bonus if they do and want an online shooter.

    COD is an important game, but it’s not the be all and end all when it comes to gaming. Look what Activision did with their other ‘Golden Goose’ titles, you really think the product is still going to be viable or change that much gameplay wise in the next 2-3 years?

    The only thing that will change will be the amount of money they can screw out of you with subscriptions.

    #22 2 years ago
  23. Fin

    Agree about Wii U, hope he’s wrong about T2.

    I remember him saying before “Core gamers that don’t care about Nintendo games don’t care about Wii U”. Best way I’ve seen it said.

    #23 2 years ago
  24. G1GAHURTZ

    It might be slightly easier to port some games to WiiU, Manu, but are people going to want to buy these games, when they could get the full version, rather than a gimped one?

    If people stop buying 3rd party WiiU games like they stopped buying 3rd party Wii games, then devs will just as similarly see porting too WiiU as a waste of time.

    #24 2 years ago
  25. deathm00n

    What I can say about WiiU is: so far it looks good, but I’m not planning on buying one this year or the next, I’m one of these people who like their zone of comfort, WiiU is trying too hard to be different from what exists now. So, I’m waiting to see what MS and Sony has to offer for the next-gen, if they choose the path of two screens, I will choose Sony, because I’m used to it, I’m with them since PS1. If they choose to stay with the classic controller, I will stay with Sony again and forget about the dual screens. But, if WiiU really receives a lot of good titles (but not only Super Repeating Mario U 12, The Old History of Zelda 13. I want to see some good thirdies) and MS and Sony adopts dual screen, then I would go for Nintendo.

    If you assume 1/4 of the players thinks like me (and a lot of my friends in my country do) and nintendo doesn’t receive third party support then you can say WiiU can (no that it will) fail to the hardcore gamers, but sure it will still appeal to people who have nintendo as their choice and Nintendo will stay making money.

    And I’m not taking in consideration the graphic whores. I can say I’m pleased by good graphics, but it’s not the selling point for me. If MS and Sony realease their consoles sometime after 2014 then you can assume their graphics will be better than the ones from WiiU because of hardware advance, and again the third party will move away from Nintendo.

    So, if you want a WiiU I say the time to get it is now.

    TL;DR; I agree with him partially about the WiiU

    #25 2 years ago
  26. monkeygourmet

    @24

    Gimped in what way?

    Elite?

    Graphically, 360 & PS3 games have been ‘gimped’ for years compared to PC so thats not really an issue.

    COD has never been about graphical fidelity anyway so it would seem funny bringing that up.

    Polygem has been playing it on Wii U and says it’s great and the community is much better and more friendly.

    Now, wether the ‘hardcore clan’ community is better, well obviously not. It’s only been out 3 days…

    The beam to pad feature sounds great too.

    #26 2 years ago
  27. monkeygourmet

    What is a hardcore gamer?!

    I hate this phrase…

    Are COD gamers considered hardcore?

    Their fucking choir boys compared to me! :)

    #27 2 years ago
  28. G1GAHURTZ

    @22:

    I’m not assuming that it will be a completely new engine. I don’t think that “IW” will ever come up with a completely new engine.

    However, I am assuming that the next gen versions will put the current ones ‘to shame’ in terms of, not just visuals, but also features (offline and community) and content.

    Bigger, better visuals, better sound, more features, more content, more options, etc.

    And you’re absolutely right. People don’t buy a WiiU for CoD. There are many reasons for that, and they are shared along with other big, core titles that will probably also flop in WiiU.

    So no big core titles, no big core gaming community, no reason to spend much dev time, and Pachter’s right (for once).

    @26:

    Gimped in what way? See 360 -> Wii for a comparison.

    Also, you can’t use the 360 vs PC with CoD, because as has already been explained, 360 is lead version. There are no features that you get on PC that aren’t available on 360. In fact, it’s quite the opposite.

    Besides, we’re talking about a direct console comparison, here. ‘PC’ can range from anything up to a high end, £2000 rig, down to a cheap laptop, which can only run games on low settings. So from a WiiU console to a 720/PS4 console, you’re almost certainly going to see a huge difference.

    Also, if that’s how polygem feels about the WiiU version, then that’s good for him.

    I’m pretty sure that the vast majority aren’t going to feel the same, or even give the WiiU version a chance, for that matter.

    #28 2 years ago
  29. absolutezero

    The CoD fanbase is the epitome of casual.

    #29 2 years ago
  30. ManuOtaku

    #24 GIGA but thats the crux of every console, all the games are different between all the iterations, theres always the lead console or a console where the performance is better, like bayoneta and red dead on 360 or darksiders, final fantasy on ps3; and if we get down into it, even all the consoles get lesser versions compare to the PC, therefore i dont think that will hurt them neither, at the long run all the consoles will suffer from this, the important thing is that the console will have those games available to their end users, that will be a plus reason for getting one IMHO.

    Is like the ps2 vs xbox vs Gamecube, the playstation 2 did have the “gimped versions” of some games, compare to the competition, and it didnt harm it in the end, it did harm the wii, because it was not possible to run those games, therefore the third party support was not there, with only a few great exceptions, but this is not the case with the WiiU.

    #30 2 years ago
  31. Fin

    @29

    No, Wii Fit is the epitome of casual.

    Like it or not, Call of Duty players are core gamers.

    #31 2 years ago
  32. deathm00n

    @27 For me a hardcore gamer is someone who isn’t stuck to certain franchises or publishers, someone who likes to try everything the industry has to offer unless it’s a franchise wich is in the industry for so much time that you know what expect from it.

    Still, my concept of it may be totally distorted haha But I include myself in this definition.

    #32 2 years ago
  33. G1GAHURTZ

    That’s the thing, Manu. It’s not like PS2/Xbox/GC at all.

    It’s like 360/PS3 vs GC.

    PS2/Xbox vs N64.

    PS1/DC vs SNES.

    Who is going to want to stay last gen?

    With the exception of the Wii, which sold to a completely different market, when it comes to devs and gamers, the old gen gets left in the dust.

    #33 2 years ago
  34. absolutezero

    Are they fuck.

    Using the power of Micheal Pachter I will pull from within my ass the evidence that most CoD players buy nothing else apart from possibly Fifa over the course of a year.

    In fact I know someone who only plays CoD on his 360 (its always a fucking 360), when the new one comes out he trades in his old copy. He owns nothing on XBLA and has no interest in any other games.

    Casual as fuck.

    The PC has always and will always out perform every console released. The 3DS has battered the shit out of the Vita.

    Phones and tablets are battering everything. Reducing purchasing decisions down to that level will never work. Its something Pachter himself would do, oh look he has the thick cunt.

    #34 2 years ago
  35. ManuOtaku

    #33 GIGA i dont think that is a fair notion, the WiiU is more than PS3 and 360, in some key aspects technically speaking, and it will be less than ps4 and 720 for sure, but it is not 360/ps3 vs gamecube, that it is a wrong perception, the WiiU can be consider a dreamcast/ ps2 vs xbox/ gamecube.

    #35 2 years ago
  36. G1GAHURTZ

    Casual gamers play games willy nilly, and don’t really care about the game itself, just having fun and passing time.

    Most CoD players play on a daily basis. They are not casual gamers, just because they play one game.

    Or is anyone going to suggest that people who play WoW for 18 hours a day are casuals, because they only play one game?

    #36 2 years ago
  37. zinc

    @34, Yeah I know 2 guys like that. But to be fair, I’d rather be classed as a casual gamer…

    Hardcore gamer has too many “cheesy snacks in my mom’s basement” connotations :-/

    #37 2 years ago
  38. bitsnark

    @36

    Pretty much what you said there is spot on.

    And it really does irk me the people that think just because you play a widely popular mainstream game, you’re branded as a casual gamer regardless of how much time you put into it.

    #38 2 years ago
  39. ManuOtaku

    Hardcore gamer/ casual gamer, i just focus more on the word gamer, than the hardcore or casual, it group us rather well at the end we like gaming and thats whats matter the most, i think we should not separate our hobby like that, we behave like nazis with that sort of thinking, imagine if the hardcore will rule the world, they will decimate the casuals :).

    #39 2 years ago
  40. monkeygourmet

    @36

    RE WOW 18hours a day:

    I wouldn’t say they were hardcore or casual…

    I’d say they have a fucking problem and need to break up there days a bit more.

    And yes, I would define someone who puts a crazy amount of time into one game (COD) and forgoes any others as casual. Casual, single minded, etc…

    Companies love these kind of players as they are effectivly gaming ‘addicts’…

    Waiting for the next fix of their familiar gaming drug. COD and FIFA are prime examples.

    This is why the COD situation has upset me within gaming. Because such a large amount of people are addicted, the gaming companies use that as a base demographic. It’s such a sweeping way of looking at the industry and it’s customers and it’s why we see endless shit sequels.

    Drugged up COD fanboys who can’t seem to think of trying anything new in case they become ‘rusty’ with their precious online franchise.

    Everyone has to get in day 1 or get left behind…

    In fact, those gamers aren’t Casual, their suckers!

    #40 2 years ago
  41. monkeygourmet

    This year I have enjoyed:

    Mario Land 3D
    Pilot Wings 3DS
    Star Fox 3DS
    BLOPS 2 (360)
    Prototype 2 (360)
    Dragons Dogma (360)
    Yakuza 4 (PS3)
    Zombie U (Wii U)
    Nintendoland (Wii U)
    Uncharted (Vita)
    Numerous iPad games
    Halo 4 (360)
    Far Cry 3 (360)
    Journey (PS3)
    Skyward Sword (Wii)

    My nephew (20), has played FIFA 12, FIFA 13, MW3, BLOPS2…

    I know ALOT of people like that. They are the people who will be first to subscribe, they are the casual.

    #41 2 years ago
  42. G1GAHURTZ

    @35:

    That’s the way it’s coming across right now, Manu. We’re already seeing the WiiU struggling to keep up with the current gen: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-black-ops-2-wii-u-face-off

    Until the WiiU can produce games that show that it’s ahead of the PS360, then for me, it will only ever be a current gen console that was too late to the party.

    I think that my description is accurate, and fair. Wii U is no more than a current gen console with a touch screen pad.

    It’s a seventh gen console, along with the PS360 (and the Wii, for that matter), and I’m pretty sure that the 8th gen is going to blow it away in terms of games, features, power and online infrastructure.

    #42 2 years ago
  43. G1GAHURTZ

    @40:

    Casual and “single minded” are two completely different things, and have never been synonymous in this context.

    A casual gamer is someone who hardly knows anything about games, they might download Angry Birds on a whim, play it for a few days and get on with other things that they find more important in their life.

    You’re clearly mixing up your definitions, here.

    #43 2 years ago
  44. monkeygourmet

    @43

    Okay, my points getting jumbled in my head (I have a cold!),

    Fifa & COD players are an easy and trusted demographic to tap into.

    They are a marketing teams wet dream.

    They love yearly updates, regularly buy DLC, will pay to get ahead of other players, it’s a proven yearly cycle (and more if they can squeeze other stuff out in between), have easily logged online play, are suseptable to advertising etc.. etc…

    As much as I like the odd go on COD (mainly single player), I think 90% of COD players unhealthy attitude towards the game is destroying the industry as we know it and shaping it into something horrible.

    So I guess Core would be a better name for them, and ‘core’ in marketing speak would mean ‘sheep’. The core continue to buy without question.

    If the Wii U can step away from that direction, even a little bit, I’m in! :)

    #44 2 years ago
  45. ManuOtaku

    #42 a port game is not indicative of this GIGA, if we go by this we will be saying the 360 is superior to the ps3 because of games like bayonetta red dead, skyrim, due their performance is better on the 360. Or we can say the ps3 is superior becuase there are games like darksiders or Final Fantasy, but thats not the case the thing is they are pretty close and both are equally in terms of power, therefore they are current.

    This is the same thing with the WiiU, ports dont told the whole truth about the capabilities of the console, games that run around the consoles newer architecture and how it works will tell how it is, and of course a lot of factors as well, therefore that is not a fair notion, i think that is the way of thinking of the people that dont line nintendo as brand, because what we know so far it is that it is more than ps3/360, and that it will be lesser that 720 and ps4, with things like

    1.- it has more RAM four times more
    2.- it has a new chip GPGPU with a CPU IBM called 45nm SOI process (some kind of new tech)
    3.-The GPU is based on a Radeon HD 5670

    Therefore for all this, the developers have yet to exploit or know their works around the console, with its new architecture, which will take time for sure, and will tell how well the transition will be between this gen and the next one, and based on this, we can say that the WiiU will be in between both gens, but is not like the notion that is a ps3/360 vs gamecube, that is a wrong notion, and ports dont tell the whole picture here.
    p.s the port of FEAR on the ps3 was bad, but it wasnt indicative of the console great power, then became games like uncharted 2 and killzone 3, therefore early ports, dont say a thing about a console.

    #45 2 years ago
  46. absolutezero

    “A casual gamer is someone who hardly knows anything about games, they might download Angry Birds on a whim, play it for a few days and get on with other things that they find more important in their life.”

    That is exactly your average CoD player though. Check the Steam stats, check out the numbers that the game sells in comparison with the online dedicated contingent. Most CoD players pick the game up and play for a couple of hours every other day, just something to pass the time, they have no real connection to the game itself, its just something thats popular that they have choosen to get on board with.

    As you can see its pretty fucking easy to just state random shit and have people believe it. “Most players” “Everyone I know” “1/4 of players”

    uh huh, sure.

    #46 2 years ago
  47. ManuOtaku

    Well i did started like casual playing the intellevision and atari, playing decatlon and other sports games, playing pong, etc, then i became hardcore, i think it does more harm than good to differentiate ourselves like that, at the end we all started like casuals and became hardcore or more avid with the time, is like insulting ourselves back then (like spitting to the sky it will eventually fall down to your face), i dont understand that reasoning, but well thats the way it goes, just dont forget our origins, and respect the casuals they will be the avid/core of the future.

    #47 2 years ago
  48. Dave Cook

    Ugh “casual gamer”, “hardcore gamer”…

    We’re all just “gamers” who share the same love of a very fun and powerful medium who also throw money into the same big pot that keeps the whole industry going.

    It doesn’t matter if said money comes from a CoD fan or an Angry Birds fan, we all help keep the industry alive.

    So just chill out, play games and let’s all be mates, yeah?

    (Not aimed at anyone here btw)

    #48 2 years ago
  49. absolutezero

    Theres nothing at all wrong with being a casual gamer in my eyes. In fact I would rather be known as a casual than be associated with what the industry thinks the core is right now.

    #49 2 years ago
  50. monkeygourmet

    @48

    That would be nice of course! :)

    The thing is, as a journalist, surely you can see the power games like COD have and what immense marketing power they wield?

    That in turn can shape other games and even whole platforms.

    Some games have been forever changed or even completely canned because a marketing team doesn’t seem them viable in comparison to COD…

    And that’s really sad IMO.

    Of course things in any medium change over time, but as new generations come in, surely older gamers jobs are to educate casual or younger players to show then gaming did exist before COD 12 or FIFA 2025.

    This is how art and history gets lost in the ether and why we have so much shit now.

    Look at all the crappy film remakes coming out at the moment. There’s always gems in their too, I’m not saying its all bad, but some people talk about the future of media as if its predetermined.

    Like, oh well, it’s going to happen anyway, may aswell embrace it.

    I hate that attitude, companies like Activision use that complacency to steamroll the average consumer with shit products or offer little choice.

    DLC, subscription services etc… Are all becoming more common using COD as a benchmark.

    You simple cant take something that’s working for COD and apply it to the whole gaming industry as much as business execs would have you believe otherwise.

    #50 2 years ago
  51. viralshag

    How come Nintendo never get called out for all of their marketing power? I see more ads on TV for Nintendo products than I do anything else…

    #51 2 years ago
  52. monkeygourmet

    @51

    Der rule 10.1…. Don’t you know anything?!

    ***Rule 10.1 : ‘Excluding Nintendo’

    :)

    #52 2 years ago
  53. G1GAHURTZ

    @44:

    Indeed, they are core gamers. Like them, loath them, consider them sheep, whatever, they are the core gamers who support the industry. They are most certainly not casuals.

    @45:

    It’s not the case that I think about the WiiU this way, because I simply “don’t like” Nintendo.

    I’m just going by what Nintendo have shown us so far. You’re forgetting that they, themselves, have never tried to make an issue out of power/potential.

    If Nintendo have chosen not to come out with a single game that shows off the potential of the WiiU, then that’s their fault.

    I can only judge their console on how they present it to me, and so far, everything that I’ve seen from them looks like it could have been done on the Wii.

    That’s why I said before, that until someone comes up with a game that clearly puts the WiiU into the 8th gen, then there’s absolutely zero reason for me to change my mind.

    If I’m wrong, then that’s Nintendo’s fault for not marketing their product well.

    I’m not prepared to spend my money on a company who hasn’t delivered on the potential of any of it’s home consoles since the N64.

    So far, they have given me no reason to at all. All they seem to have is a current gen console that needs a huge day 1 patch, is all too easily bricked, freezes up constantly, eats DVDs, has a slow UI, has a weak online system (all from the words of WiiU owners) and is regularly slaughtered by the gaming and mainstream press alike.

    If Nintendo do something about it, I may change my mind, but until then, it’s not a next gen console by any stretch of the imagination.

    @46:

    Most CoD players pick the game up and play for a couple of hours every other day

    That still works out at 350+ hours of CoD gaming. It doesn’t fit the description at all.

    Trying to imply that a “casual gamer” plays a game for 350+ hours before buying the next version, and the next version, is ridiculous.

    That’s the equivalent of more than 35 10 hour SP campaign games.

    Who plays 35 SP campaigns a year?

    #53 2 years ago
  54. monkeygourmet

    @53

    “Like them, loath them, consider them sheep, whatever, they are the core gamers who support the industry. They are most certainly not casuals.”

    Not really though, how are they supporting the industry if they only buy COD and FIFA every year, there only really supporting EA and Activision really. Maybe MS if they buy Online obviously…?

    In fact, a so called ‘casual gamer’, that buys Mario Kart, Mario, Angry Birds, Your Shape Fitness evolved, Dance Central, skylanders and Lego Lord of the Rings would have actually contributed more and had a more varied gaming experience overall.

    #54 2 years ago
  55. ManuOtaku

    #53 GIGA “I’m just going by what Nintendo have shown us so far. You’re forgetting that they, themselves, have never tried to make an issue out of power/potential.
    That’s why I said before, that until someone comes up with a game that clearly puts the WiiU into the 8th gen, then there’s absolutely zero reason for me to change my mind.

    If I’m wrong, then that’s Nintendo’s fault for not marketing their product well”

    GIGA i will believe that, if you feel the same way about the other consoles, all of them had bad ports, especially in the first year of its release, even the first party titles for both consoles perfect dark or resistance, werent indicative of all the power they did hold in future years, a power that were shown by future games, therefore i dont think is their fault for not marketing the product well, this happens to all consoles, and it is expected, or do you expect to see uncharted 2, gears of war 3 on the first year of the console lyfecycle?, i didnt hear you complaining about this for the other consoles, why with nintendo WiiU?, it is not a marketing fault, it is expected as the developers become more aware of the new architecture, the games get better with time on their lifecycle, WiiU is not different.

    #55 2 years ago
  56. G1GAHURTZ

    As for gamer categories…

    Of course there’s a difference.

    Is a movie buff, who builds a home cinema and can tell you the difference between 24 and 25fps without even looking, like a person who only ever watches the latest Marvel comic release twice a year?

    No.

    One is casual, the other is hardcore.

    Then you have the core, in the middle, who watch 8-10 movies at the cinema per year, and use NetFlix, etc on a weekly basis.

    Three distinct categories. One supports the industry, one takes it to an extreme, the other dips his toe in the water every now and then.

    It’s exactly the same with gamers. I don’t see what’s wrong with admitting that.

    It doesn’t make one person better than another, it just makes it easier to define and discuss things.

    #56 2 years ago
  57. deathm00n

    @54 And there’s the problem with the industry today, they are supporting EA, Activision and Ubisoft, while other companys are getting closed. See how they are really affectig the market? Or you think this is all just a coincidence? This week we saw the closure of what? 3 or 4 studios?

    @56 Couldn’t explain it better, not that it’s bad to be one of them, you are one of them. But in the end it’s all gamers. Like we are all people, but who fit in different parts of the society. *whoa, there I’ve gone deep*

    #57 2 years ago
  58. G1GAHURTZ

    @54:

    They don’t have to buy other products directly to support the industry. The fact that CoD is so popular, makes EA release countless wannabes, for example, which also make money.

    It’s a system like many other industries, where the top 2% indirectly generate business for the other struggling 98% of companies. It all filters down eventually. It’s not pretty, but it’s how things work.

    Besides, not every CoD player is a one game person. Many also buy other games.

    @55:

    i didnt hear you complaining about this for the other consoles, why with nintendo WiiU?

    Originally, I wanted a PS3. I drank the Sony Kool Aid. I was super hyped, and was ready for a day 1 purchase, no matter the price. I didn’t buy a 360, which looked like a poor console to me at the time, and waited for a PS3.

    Then it came out, and it simply had nothing about it that made me think that it was worth the money over a 360. Sony even offered them to the company where I worked at the time for about £50 less than the high street price, but I wasn’t interested.

    I went for a few good months with the PS3 and 360 both being out, but I bought none of them, just like I’m not buying a WiiU now.

    So, I haven’t changed at all. I treat all hardware, not just gaming hardware, in the same way.

    It was only after I bought a 360 as an impulse buy that I even discovered how much I liked XBL.

    Manufacturers have to convince me to spend my money. I want to buy new stuff, so if I don’t spend my money on them, it’s their fault. It’s because they didn’t sell their product well enough.

    This gen, I’ve bought a (number of) 360(s) a PS3, a Wii, a couple of DSs, and a laptop that I bought with playing SC2 in mind.

    I have strong opinions about companies, but if I see a good product, I will try and buy it.

    For example, I despise Apple as a company, but I have an iPad, because I think it’s a quality product.

    I think I’m being impartial about this. I may be wrong, but I like to think that Nintendo could change my mind by doing a bit more.

    So far, they are failing.

    #58 2 years ago

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