Vita “having a more difficult time” securing publisher support, says Yoshida

Don’t let DM piss ya off Lex. He enjoys it too much to give him the satisfaction.

That video is about an alarm app, since I was the one who said there’s nothing but an alarm clock app coming out for Psv and asked for a prooflink from you, how exactly am I the one who’s lazy? You ‘re starting to remind me of blackdreamhunk here…

How is that the same as what even mid tier current phones have?

You’re talking about imaginary things. I can ‘claim’ all that based on the fact that nothing of what YOU want to exist does… It’s an electronics device made by men, no need for fantasies here.

Clearly telling me to shut the hell up is even more convincing. As well telling me that you don’t care what I say after your utterly inane (yet again) message, when you time after time fail to provide any sense or evidence of Psv app functionality.

Psv can do as much as some second gen iPod Touch can.. that’s a fact. YOUR zealous fantasies have nothing to do with what actually happens to this machine. Simple.

All you were doing for this entire thread is calling me a prick, babbling on about an Alarm clock, raging and yelling about non existing functionality.

As for PS2, every single major publisher from Capcom through Ubisoft supported the console based on that it had the biggest customer base. Capcom even commented back in the days how it won’t release anything on the Xbox cause it has a small user base… You passionate zealot would be here, rationally stating ‘the obvious’ how the console with the most marketshare should be getting the most support and how it’s all ‘common sense’ if Psv was outselling 3ds. Too bad.

Also, Old man you really never learn. I bet you still play videogames with the arse and wish for him to return.

“I bet you still play videogames with the arse and wish for him to return.”

Who?

@54 OG… *shakes head* You know you’re wasting your breath.

I know lol, but I wanna know who he is talking about? Peaked my interest.

Theevilaires.

O’Connor, it’s a bit late for you to shake your head after spending 3 or 4 years or so aiming more than half of your bs at that guy. You rational parent.

Anyway, I’m not going to have a balanced debate with someone who ‘s that devoted to a jap corp. The moment things become different these passionate fans turn 180 degrees. If it’s a questionable pro on Sony’s part they state it’s ‘superior without a doubt’, if it’s a definite con they say ‘it’s different’ or start accusing the opposing corp product in being ‘incomplete’ or something..

The guy made a bloody thread about a Montezuma game from what I’ve seen, which can be found anywhere. Then proceed saying ‘who are we to say what should be free’… SMH. Who are you? You ‘re the customer, you decide what does well on the market and what doesn’t.

Much like a ‘debate’ with someone who’s being original for the sake of it.

Interesting. So you think Tea and I were/are friends?

And DM, I have yet to see you have a balanced debate with anyone.

I think one of your troubles is that your judging other people based on the way you look at things. Your a MS fan. Nothing wrong with that part, but you can’t project fanboysm on everyone else. I mean you can, but you look like a troll doing it.

I can tell you that when it comes to myself(and Mike too)(and hell, most people here) we own everything. I have four xb360s in my house right now. A PS3. And a Nintendo Wii. I don’t own a Vita or a 3DS yet, I do have a DS and a PSP tho. I own everything. I play everything and I have enjoyed at least one or two games on everything I own.

Of course you could claim I am lying, then I can claim your in denial. No matter either way.

It amazes me that in your mind, if someone enjoys Nintendo Games(for example), and you don’t, then that person is a Nintendo fanboy. Or they are somehow devoted to Nintendo. I am a fan of Nintendo games. That isn’t the samething as being a fanboy with blinding devotion(thats more of your bag then mine). I also enjoy PS3 games. Hint not a Sony fanboy either. Guess what man? My xb360 GS is somewhere are 38,000. I have been a paying Gold member from the month it launched(tho I have turned off the auto renew).

I mean fanboy? Where? Me? Hardly.

Try expanding your mind a bit, I bet your missing out on some great game experiences.

Here is some sage advice DM, becareful. If MS strugles next gen(and I doubt they will, just saying), if they do, your going to end up being the new Tea. Just instead of defending Sony, your going to defend MS.

Most gamers just go where the value is, and where the games are(this is why PC and mobile have been surging recently). Most of them don’t concern themselves too much with the logo on the box.

No I don’t think so, I just think you pick the wrong side all the time and it takes a complete f-up of a whole website to convince you that someone isn’t a cool guy…

Err for one I’m not an MS fan. I can’t stand Windows, I can’t stand Gears of War, I always thought fable was a terrible videogame, I don’t like that prick Ballmer, I think Bill Gates is just as much of an arsehole as Steve Jobs (well, was…) … and so on and so forth.

I liked Syphon Filter on PSX a lot, I ‘ve had two PSX, two PS2s (both broke) and I’ve had a SE phone many years ago.

Here’s an advice, old man. Spend less time under the influence…

The moment MS make a teh emotion engine or teh cell or state how noone older than 20 would play Mario I start posting massive flamings in regards to them.

MS is a terrible yankee corp, which made nothing but terrible OS and shitty products up until the Xbox and X360, and lately the Win Phone.

Do try harder. Then again someone like you can’t really see past toys and the such.

OG… *headdesk*

You really add a lot both to this conversation and to the site stability,as usual angsty original guy.

I know people really aren’t entitled to think you’re an idiot with an inferiority complex… Anyone who actually thinks that is just having problems disagreeing. Either that or they’re trolls. It’s not an inferiority complex, it’s a fight for equality. And it’s not idiocy, it’s a different opinion.

OG, when was the last time that you had something negative to say about Nintendo? (link, or it didn’t happen!)

It’s strange, because you’ve always got something to say about PS360.

How you got rid of your consoles, deleted your friends lists, stopped playing online, how the games are stale, how the business model is doomed, etc, etc…

But, while I could be wrong, it certainly seems as though you back Nintendo 100% of the time. You even read what you think are negative comments about Nintendo in one comment section, and bring them up in another one as if they had some sort of deep effect on you.

I see DM pointing out negative things about MS, about some of their IPs and what’s lacking in the hardware, but not so with you and Nintendo.

I mean, even I have negative stuff to say about CoD, sometimes!

Not so when it comes to you and Nintendo…

If that’s not grounds to label someone a fanboy, I don’t know what is.

The whole memory card issue still irks me about the Vita, for me there is no doubt the system has a lot of potential and is the most capable handheld to buy but the prices and the way they have gimped the whole memory template is ridiculous.

On board flash memory, a competitive price bundled with a high quality title would of perhaps seen the Vita do better than it is now, in the US especially it is averaging around 50-60k in sales, that is very poor.

The software currently available is of a decent standard but when you look at forthcoming releases there is nothing there that screams must have, I doubt Call of Duty will save it, most people would rather play Call of Duty multiplayer on a console or PC.

I’d give it another 12 months and if the current trend continues it looks destined to be discontinued.

“OG, when was the last time that you had something negative to say about Nintendo? (link, or it didn’t happen!)”

What is there neg to say at this point? The WiiU isn’t out yet. We don’t know pricing. We don’t know game line up. We don’t even know the systems tech specs. So what is there to hate on?

I could be like some of you guys and hate them for being them. But I actualy enjoy their games. I could do a item list of talking points, but you would find flaws in those too. And really most of it comes down to one persons opinion. For example, one critisim of Nintendo we often hear is their weak online. I, personaly, don’t find that a draw back. I think it has netflix and a web browser, I am good. I don’t play that much online with consoles anyways.

We just don’t share the same set of “negitives” reguarding Nintendo.

I know that Nintendo is not a perfect company. I have yet to find one that was. Vitural Boy was a flop, Nintendo muscled other game companies out of toy stores in the 80s, etc. But those things don’t exactly come up in the latest “lets all attack Nintendo over the WiiU” threads that pop up.

So ima put this is plan english: I like Nintendo. BUT…If they priced the WiiU at say… 600usd, I would grab my pitch fork. And my tune would change.

Most of what we read when someone attacks a product or a company or a game, is just someone saying that they don’t like or enjoy something. There are little or no fact that can back up someones opion on a video game. Maybe you played the new Mario game(or CoD) and think to yourself “I am so sick and tired of the same old tired out game experience”, the next day, next month, next year you rant on a thread about how nintendo(or acti) has lost touch and you just can’t stand them anymore. Or maybe, your picking up CoD(or Mario) for the very first time(lucky bastard!) and you are totaly impressed and blown away. The next day you see a thread about the game and you lavish golden words on the game, the company, or the experience.

In the end neither one is right, and neither one wrong. And neither one means a damn thing. You can always say that “In your opinion” or “You think” or whatever. And I try to always do that.

Secondly, one opinion a person has on one company has zero impact on what another person can think about another company.

“But OG, you don’t attack Nintendo. We attack MS and Sony!” Right but what is the point again? Where does it say that we have to attack or defend anything, or that we can’t? I just thought we were giving our opinions.

Something about nerds. Something about blogs. Something mildly self-indulgent. Something hugely pompous. Something mildly offensive. Knee-jerk. Backlash. Contrarian. Petulant.

Lets continue!

You do find yourself kinda wishing for the hammer of ban. Or at the very least a solid flogging.

I wasn’t just talking about the WiiU, I was talking about Nintendo in general.

I also didn’t say anything about attacking. Just had you made a comment about something that you didn’t like. You have plenty of such comments to say about so many other things, but seemingly nerver Nintendo.

Even tea would have something to say about Sony when they did something that he didn’t like.

I just didn’t see how you could justifiably be painting Da Man as an MS fanboy, when his position with regards to MS is considerably less deserving of the term fanboyism than your position with regards to Nintendo, that’s all.

@68
Considering how averse he is to vita and sony “marketing strategy ” and yet did not say anything about about ninty launching a 100$ (manufacturing cost) 3ds for 250$ with no games whatsoever wrt vita launch , his comments smells of favouritism .

@Dragon, whos mine or DM?

Prolly both from where your sitting tho ‘eh?

I honestly don’t know how much 3DS costs to manufacter. But I do know that for the most part, Nintendo does make hardware that they can turn a profit on. I think 3DS was more then 100usd, not sure tho. But, one of the faults I find with Sony is that they put so much tech into the hardware that the price point of the hardware misses the mass market audiance. In contrast, Nintendo does a better job of making what their costumers can afford to buy.

I guess the dig on Nintendo here would be that, if they can honestly make 3DS for 100usd, then why sell it for 250usd? Prolly because they thought they could. They, like everyone else is in it to make money. They quickly learned the price was too high and lowered it. The lower man costs just gave them that flexability.

Just good strategy.

And G1GA I understand you meant Nintendo as a whole. But what have the recent threads been on? Not the Nes, SNES, N64, or GC. But on the up and coming system. Also 3DS. 3DSxl. And evn a bit on Wii. The thing is, it has been very VERY very hard to fault them on Wii or 3ds(or DS for that matter), those systems cleaned up.

As for WiUU, we don’t know much about it yet. I won’t condem MS or Sony for their next as of yet unseen systems either.

Look, here is what you can say about Wii. You don’t like it. You can say the samething about 3DS. You can even say you don’t like Nintendo games in general. You could say that you don’t feel their franchises do enough to distinquish themself from previous versions. All of that is a valid opinion that anyone can have, and express.

What can’t be said is that Nintendo screwed up or failed with either Wii or 3DS. Both systems sold/sell very well. Nintendo stock is worth more today then it was pre Wii launch. Something a lot of companies like EA(for example) can’t say. Times are hard, games are down. Keeping your head above water is a goal unto itself. Nintendo is doing good, because of the suscess of both their last console and handheld(and said first party games on systems). Hard to find fault in their strategy.

Hate me if ya like. But there is a significant difference between an opinion and a fact. You can dislike Nintendo for whatever reason you pick. Just like Tea can hate MS. DM can hate Sony. or G1GA can hate BF. Those are just opinions. I like Nintendo games. I think they are fun to play, that is my opinion.

Find me a fault in Nintendos recent strategy and we can talk about it. Hell we can talk about the Nintendo VS Tengen lawsuit if ya like. Or how Nintendo gave Toys R Us an ultimatium to remove NEC(TG16) systems and games from it shelf. Or even how Nintendo blocked Sega Master system in the US stores. But that is a very long time ago.

I am just a gamer man, I play games. Sometimes I even play ones I like lol

The real kicker is when some PC dev talks about how closed consoles are, what ensues is a massive rant about how the PS3 & 360 are horrible for being so closed… but no mention of that other company, you know, the ones that makes the most closed systems… But i guess you’ll just throw out some special pleading, “Its not their goal so its ok”. lol

You’re probably the biggest most annoying fanboy on the site right now, OG. Seriously, you’re just kidding yourself at this point, there isnt a person here who doesnt think it.

same old nintendo bashing here…guys, serioulsy? mario is for kids right? yea i get it, cod is for the tough guys si? come on…tell that to 21 year old friends in the gym or to the teeny group drinking beer for the first time in the park, but don´t post it on a gaming site with people who have decades of gaming experience under their belts. you must not like nintendo games, but saying it is just kids stuff, well, it´s just not true. repeating it over and over wont make it true either.
i own every current gen system (sold my vita because in my eyes it sucked balls), i am a nintendo fan if you want, sure, some of the best games i have played last gens and this gen are nintendo games. wii u looks promising indeeed because it will have nintendo games in hd and hopefully much more third party support. i like halo a lot too, this isn´t a more mature game than mario galaxy is tho, honestly not. call of duty i like too, but who is taking those stories seriously? kids maybe, i certainly can only roll my eyes playing through a killzone or cod b-movie like campaign. i like those games…but mature? yeah right. mushroom kingdom, dreamland and hyrule are beautiful places where you can have tons of fun, kids and old gamers alike. it´s great, no need to bash it.

and OG…i respect that you keep spreading your word here. it´s tough sometimes. arguments count. yours are mostly pretty good.

all the fanboys are the first to call others fanboys,in psychology this is called projection.

i am aware that you are anything but a fanboy. but if you like nintendo you MUST be a fanboy, because their kids games suck balls, only fanboys can enjoy those shovelware kids games!

they just don´t have any better arguments than the kids games and fanboy stuff…in the end it´s all about those two arguments. both are not true. so the discussion does not make much sense.

@OG
“reguarding Nintendo”

Heh bit of a slip

@73
The discussion seems to be about attitudes. You are the first to bring in the old Nintendo games/kids debate. Well shoehorned in though.

^ Nice stealth edit there. lol!

@Og
I prefer playstation, but that won’t stop me from bashing anyone and everyone if something is wrong. You once said ninty to be the ” only games company ” which make no sense and haven’t pointed out when they did something wrong .
@poly
No one is saying ninty is for kids. More acceptable term is family oriented . Different strokes for different folks. No one has problems with that.

A ban on Da man is NOT necessary. Regardless of who agrees or disagrees with him, he is expressing his opinions like everyone else. You don’t like him, you don’t respond to him. Simple. Also, happy fucking Sunday edit: @72 + 100

I tend to frequently disagree with OG & it’s blatantly obvious that he prefers Nintendo but I don’t think I’d ever call him a fanboy because he has shown to be one of the few people who’s capable of respecting other people’s opinions no matter how much he disagrees. If anything, he’s a FanMan of Nintendo.

For what it is worth, I also don’t think anyone should be banned. No one on this site at this point is anything remotly close to Shatner or Tea. Having and expressing an opinion doesn’t make anyone banable. Argueing over games and threads and opinions is one of the biggest draws for most of us to this site.

Ok let get to a few things here:

Dragon: “I prefer playstation, but that won’t stop me from bashing anyone and everyone if something is wrong.”

The only thing here is that if something is wrong or not is an opiinon thing. For example(and scince we are talking alot on Nintendo) the 3DS doesn’t have twin sticks. One person might think that is wrong, someone else doesn’t because that person doesn’t want play consoles style experiences in a handheld.

“You once said ninty to be the ” only games company ” which make no sense”

Sure it does. Nintendo is the only one of the three platform holders that has it roots in video games. That doesn’t mean that only Nintendo can can make good games or anything. I recall playing Donkey Kong on Atari2600. And of course before that in arcade.

Doc: “The discussion seems to be about attitudes. You are the first to bring in the old Nintendo games/kids debate. Well shoehorned in though.”

I don’t know, but maybe your right about it being about attitudes Doc. I think some gamers are angry. And they carry a lot of hate towards what they see as casual non gaming. Ie, Nintendo. I seem to be the poster child for Nintendo. So a lot of it get aimed at me.

Gek:

“The real kicker is when some PC dev talks about how closed consoles are, what ensues is a massive rant about how the PS3 & 360 are horrible for being so closed…”

I would say that in most cases I would agree with what those devs are saying. Depending on what they were saying. It is more about what I think of as an outdated biz model that consoles use. And for what it is worth all current consoles are guilty of it. I think the console model is great a gen or two ago, but in todays game world there are a lot of other options that are more affordable and very high quility. Imo, the biz model of current consoles is simply outdated. And that includes Nintendo.

Ok fellas look:

Right now console hardware and console sales are down. The industry has been in decline for the past couple of years or so. This console gen cycle peaked around 2008. Alot of people are tired of this gens hardware, tired of this gens franchise train, and just tired of this gen in general.

Some people that feel that way read these pages. Some people that read these pages don’t feel that way. Keep in mind one thing, I don’t make the headlines. I don’t write the treads. I just respond to them. So everytime a dev bitches about MS, I didn’t do that. Everytime we read about Vita not selling, I didn’t do that either. Guess what when we read about 3DS sales, I didn’t do that either lol(I don’t even own one).

I have said it before, and will say it again. I enjoy Nintendo games. Doesn’t make me a dedicated Nintendo fan tho. I enjoy a lot of games. From a lot of different companies. Mostly I game on PC. PC, not Wii. Not 3DS. I would say that I prolly play the three consoles about the same amount, not often mind you. But it isn’t like I sit in a dark room with a WiiMote in my hand practicing my waggle lol. This gen I have played a host of great games on all three of my consoles systems.

Now if you all don’t want to think that oh well. You can paint me a Nintendo fanboy if ya want. You can fire all sorts of anger my way if it makes you feel better.

FanMan? Works for me lol.

@poly
Your posts are the best!
@OG
I never said you were a fanboy, most of the regular commentors here are not. If anyone wants to see fanboyism, it on full display in sites like ign etc. VG247 is a better place without it.
Also it just happens that ninty is over a century old (older than sony and ms combined )and started business on games before its present competitors . The title you gave them was meaningless .

smh… this thread got completely derailed. Instead of discussing the lose and acquisition of third party developers an how Sony could potentially change their business model and adapt its turned into…. A support group.

Everyones talking about Fanboyism and for what?Because DaMan just “has” to know if people have some biased feelings towads a company before critiquing them? I’m abandoning this post it completely lost relevance. Sorry a lot of you were attacked and felt the need to attack after all this shanangans

thx dragon! love you too.10000000 kisses!

Sorry Lex, your not wrong.