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@46, I’d ask how you knew the invisible unicorn was pink…

#51 the pink colour has that effect at least on males, womens dont look a guys with pink colour on it, it is like they were invisible, the same for unicorns.

@51: Well the invisible pink unicorn wrote a book, in which it said that it is pink and invisible. Who are you to question the word of the pink invisible unicorn?! It’s in the book, so it must be true!

@53, And thats when i’d back away

@47
You may want to actually read your own source, everything on there is heavily contested as being vague, misinterpreted, outright altered, and written after Jesus supposedly lived when Christians as a group were already around telling their stories. In fact nearly all of those talk about Christians as a group and their worshipping of “Christ”, clearly just reciting a story they heard from Christians.

And your notion that people just “wouldnt” come up with the story is stupid. In that regard Greek mythology is true because people wouldnt come up with a story about a man being tortured for eternity for giving man fire. And Scientology is true because people wouldnt come up with a story about aliens dying and having their souls trapped for billions of years. Every religion has its martyrs, if you assume that the mere fact a religion having a martyr story makes it true, you believe everything.

@50 – Again what is crazy to you does not make it factually crazy, and you realize of course that not everyone who believes in God believes in Jesus, or stories from the bible that seem odd like Onan.
Some people believe in a higher power or creator that isn’t what today’s religions believe.
Personally, I don’t care if someone believes in Faeries, Unicorns, ghosts, etc, etc, it’s simply not my place to judge.

What works for you doesn’t necessarily work for someone else, not everyone is spiritual or has an interest in that, and even those that do manifest it in many non-religious ways.

I’ve got no issue with what people want to believe in, but if they’re going to push legislation, claim they deserve special treatment, swindle people out of their money and claim that their beliefs are true and everyone else is wrong without any evidence… Then sorry but no.

#55 i think the Bible consists of old scripts, that even if they were picked by Romans under the council of Nicea, during the Constatine reign, doesnt mean that all the information that posses is all lies, because most of the time that was the way the old people had to let pass for future generations, the vivid tales for their ancestors, now scientists are discovering that Noahs Arc story about the flood of most part of the world, was indeed a truth and/or did happened, becuase they found plenty of houses and civilizations under what is now know as the Dead Sea and the Red Sea, so in the end that story has some true in it, like also the seven plaques of Egypt, etc, therefore theres a lot of storys in the Bible that seem to be accurate, the same can happen with Jesus story,hey they had the shroud of turin, which under scientific tests, is during the same time of Jesus, has the same marks, and here is the most interesting thing, it has a 3D image encrypted in a 2D display, some scientists believe that the body of the person did made an eminition of light, something like an scanner and printed the information on the shroud, like a photon or some sort of energy, therefore the resurrection of Christ, under some scientific test , has some true in it too, therefore one cannot rule out the possibility of its existence either, i mean Christ.

@55:

Of course it’s contested.

It’s contested by people whose straw grasping about religion has reached such low depths that their only defence has come to be that it was all made up by people who wanted to be killed and persecuted.

Contesting something means nothing. The fact is that there are historical references to Jesus and his followers that existed hundreds of years before Christianty was known outside of the Middle East, and that they are passing references with no real meaning other than as a brief commentary.

If people want to try and throw smoke over these and say that they are all part of some sort of conspiracy to control the world one thousand years later, then it says a lot for their irrational thinking.

And your analogy doesn’t hold up, because the Christians actually were killed and persecuted for hundreds of years. There’s no disputing that. The examples that you gave are not in any way similar.

Sorry, btw I’m trying to type and play CoD at the same time…

@60, Blaming Religion for your shite KDR? Low mate even for you

@58
-There was no global flood, science is clear on that. There were regional floods much like there are regional floors today, the Bible uses real locations and events, but this is like saying Spiderman really exists because New York is a real place.

-The Shroud of Turin is a proven fake.

@59
lol I dont even know what argument you’re trying to make. So proof of Christianity outside of the middle east is evidence that Christians were outside of the middle east …Before Christianity was outside of the middle east? WTF are you talking about? Things like Tacitus are used as proof by historians to show that Christianity spread outside of the middle east by 109CE which was over 70 after Jesus was meant to have died. Thats what it proves; that Christianity spread and told their stories then people wrote about them.

What does this have to do with historical documentation showing that Jesus was walking around doing the stuff he’s meant to have done in the Bible? Again, everything supposedly mentioning Jesus was written after he’s meant to have died and clearly mentions Christians telling the story, all but one or two dont even mention “Jesus” but talk about the “worshipping of Christ”.

Jesus H Christ man, read your own links.

BTW: Falun Gongists, Serers, Baha’i, Pagans, and pretty much every follower of a Polytheist religion have been killed and persecuted for their beliefs, therefore they’re true. Also Jew were persecuted, Jews dont accept Jesus as their saviour, therefore Jesus isnt the saviour of mankind. Also Atheists have been persecuted and in some countries being an Atheist is still punishable by death, therefore Atheism is true.

See how easy it is?

This is still going? Yeesh.

Why is this even being discussed? And what the hell does it have to do with someone’s tragic death? Compassion is not high on people’s agendas, clearly.

^ I know, right?

@63, Well discussing religion is fun & its hard to feel too sympathetic for a guy who sat himself to death.

@64, So posting that is your way of using some poor guys death to promote Atheism? Classy

@65 And that person was someone’s son, and friend, and brother.

Obviously he had issues. Obviously he wasn’t looking after himself. But that doesn’t make it any less sad.

New Testament could have been awesome.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18948_5-real-deleted-bible-scenes-in-which-jesus-kicks-some-ass.html

@ 45

I personally am making fun of religion in general, I believe in some higher power as I don’t think we came from nothing but religion is for idiots who just want to believe in something.

No one knows what happens when you die, why spend your life worrying about it or wasting your life having faith & praising someones made up version of a god.

I make fun of all religions as I do with Greek Mythology, religion is used to control the masses as it was back then & is today.

Faith is what you have in things that don’t exist.

I don’t know I really enjoyed some of the stories in the Bible…like the Book of Eli. That was great, or was that Denzel? Oh nvm.

Yikes, didn’t mean to start anything here haha. Stating a simple fact that’s all.

@67, To be blunt, is it sad? Would you feel so emphatic if he overdosed on heroin? Just how bad should we all feel when a guy sit’s down & dies doing something he obsessively loved?

Live & learn, i’ll save my pity for victims of circumstance , not excessive recreation .

Science is about measuring, observing and testing things. Religion is about all the things you can`t measure and test. You`re as likely to win religious discussions with scientific evidence as you`re going to win scientific arguments with faith. Different things – different rules.

@26 People are more than rational thought patterns – don`t expect everybody to be content or satisfied with just being a “temporary DNA delivery vehicle”.

The problem with religion has more to do with another very basic human conditon – tolerance or lack of it. For some it`s not enough to have faith, everyone else has to have the same faith as them.

“lol I dont even know what argument you’re trying to make.”

That’s because you’re too busy confusing yourself with irrational ‘logic’. Who said anything about proof of Christianity being based on location?

Learn to read.

My mentioning of the Middle East was simply pointing out the fact that there was a ‘new’ religion at the time, with a handful of followers, who were not really significant to those who didn’t want to know about them.

It’s like if I was a football journalist, and I mention some small band of Greek hooligans and their favourite team in the lowest tier of the Greek leagues, in passing in a story about football in general. Then nearly two thousand years later, some paranoid conspiracy theorist comes along and claims that there’s no proof that their team ever existed in order to suit his own agenda.

It’s utter nonsense. Your argument is clearly the desperate grasping of straws of the likes of naive X-Files watchers who lack common sense.

We have a small group of of people who left their well established and thriving religions to preach that the people had distorted their practices and needed to return back to the original teachings. That was all.

All that they basically did was tell the Jews at the time that they had left the original teachings of Moses, and that they needed to return back to them. Because of this, they were seen as heretics, tortured, persecuted and killed by the Jews and Romans for having that belief.

What you’re trying to suggest is that these people invented a fictitious character (why would they, when they could just get someone to claim to be that person? Why not just get a David Koresh of their own?) and then taught a fictitious, simple message about an already established, thousands of years old religion (again, why?) at the price of death and persecution.

Now that’s what I call a paranoid delusion!

And btw, find me the quote where I said tht persecution = legitimacy.

My mentioning their persecution is simply to point out the ludicrousness of the idea that people invented this man and this religion in order to get some kind of worldly benefit.

Where was the benefit?

Their lives were full of difficulty and struggle.

Its difficult to read a multitude a posts to figure out what the discussion is about, but if its science vs religion, then I have to say this-
There is no versus here, science is reality, religion is a made up which only serves to divide people. Its the worst kind of division that persists in todays society. Its the single largest reason for violence in todays society, and thats not even counting the distrust and enmity it creates in the world. All crusades and jihads somehow use religion as their backbone to entice people to violence.
Now then , why do people believe in it then? That also has a simple explanation. There is a psychological fact that if many people blabber lies for many generations, somewhere down the line people start to believe its the truth, even though it has no basis whatsoever. If you tell a child growing up that killing is good, he will take that as fact of life and believe it, just like many people believe in gods and religion for the same reason.
There is also a deeper reason for this, everyone hates end- death and the truth that you have only a 100 years to do something in this world and after that you are no more. Religion offers a convenient solution to this eternal problem which is even more bs- afterlife. Has anyone been there, seen it, any proof that it exists? No. But simply because it puts people minds to rest that end is not near that people believe wholeheartedly in religion.
Similarly it offers horrendous explanations for universes (or anything for that matter) start and end- god. If it was this simple then great scientists like einstein,hubble etc. would not have spent there entire lives understanding how universe works. Religion allows simple but woefully wrong answers to these ever – lasting questions and people just believe them at face value because they are simple.
Also humans are social creatures and live together. Being alone is a fear almost all people have. Then what can be better than having the all powerful seeing all god by your side always. Religion provides that and fills people with confidence. Most people lack the ability to stand alone in the world, god provides the crutch for that purpose.
Sorry if anyones offended by this or if this is going off-topic, just my 2 cents.
On the topic, wow.

@ 71

Nah I started this by telling you that your “fact” was incorrect.

2 discussions to stay out of: religion & politics. Just agree to disagree .

@74
I see that you’ve stealthily shifted your position from “There is proof Jesus existed” to “There is proof Christians existed”. lol Nice try but no ones denying that there were Christians back then nor that it did start with someone, all religions did and they all grew in a similar fashion. But you’re original claim was that there is documented evidence outside of the Bible that a man named Jesus Christ existed. So yet again i await your evidence of this. Though you may want to actually unravel the mess that is the New Testament first, when was Jesus born again? During Herod’s reign or whilst Quirinius was governor of Syria?. Also when did Mary & Joseph live in Nazareth? Before or after Jesus was born?
Its funny that you say its illogical to not believe in this stuff when the Bible is packed with nonsense, contradictions of what now know about the world and contradicts itself. You think “An old guy living on a cloud” is a caricature to throw ridicule on believers, you should try some of the stuff actually written in religious texts. They make a literal man living on a cloud sound sane. And of course its apparently logical to believe all of this without a shred of evidence. Yeah, nice try.

And yet again, just assuming that because people believed something and were willing to die for it makes its true leaves you believing every religious story ever created. I really dont understand why you’re even trying to go down that path, it really is retarded.

As for “persecution = legitimacy”, thats exactly the message you’ve been trying to pass off since the beginning, like you said:

“The idea that a small group of people would invent a person so that they could be killed and persecuted for hundreds of years is, quite frankly, ridiculous.”

You’re clearly trying to pawn this off as a validation that persecution means their belief was true because otherwise they wouldnt have believed it to evade persecution. And again, in that case many other religions are therefore true.

No, the position hasn’t changed. The evidence is there.

The fact that you stubbornly refuse to accept the evidence, based on your own agenda, is the issue here.

Even if there was a birth certificate stamped with 10 official seals, people could just as easily raise doubts about it as they do with what’s currently there. It’s called selective blindness.

For example, we have this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus which is clear proof of the existence of this man for any non believing, impartial observer. First of all, it mentions Jesus as a living, breathing human being, as well as those around him. Secondly, you’re expected claim that this is just a story that he’d heard is easily refuted, since his accounts of other events don’t follow the Christian accounts of what happened, so he’s not just ‘repeating their story’.

Obviously, having an agenda, you will use your selective blindness to reject this, and raise questions about authenticity. And while I would agree that the details of this piece have been tampered with, you cannot ignore the overwhelming majority of scholars who agree that the basis of the text is authentic.

That these people existed at this time.

“Though you may want to actually unravel the mess that is the New Testament first”

I need to do no such thing, since as I’ve already stated, I am a Muslim, and i have every belief that both the Old and New Testament, while originating from initially authentic sources, are now full of errors, contradictions and inaccuracies.

And no. I have most certainly not been try to “pass off” persecution = legitimacy by any means.

Maybe I’m not making myself clear.

While the fact that people were persecuted for a belief that they had is no means of legitimacy of their religion, what it absolutely does prove is that they legitimately believed in their religion.

People are always willing to die for what they believe in, but you’d have to be judging people according to a sadistic standard of your own to suggest that a small group of people were willing to leave their own religion and suffer what the Christians did without ever seeing any evidence themselves.

‘Yeah, there’s this guy, Jesus, and he lives over there… There isn’t a New Testament for you to read yet, but he lives somewhere over there, and you can’t see him or talk to him… But if you leave your religion and follow him, even though you can never meet him, you’ll be stoned to death or crucified like I hope to be! Now how does that sound? Good deal?’

Do me a favour!

Some folks here should start off by reading ‘Nightfall’. A good science fiction story. That’s of course if you ‘re still able to read anything outside of blog comments and text boxes.

#62, the shroud has not been proven fake or fraud,there were theories in the 2009, that was fake for the carbon dating, but theres new evidence that indicates those carbon dating test were done to samples that were reconstructed over the centuries to repair the shroud,which of course were not accurate to pinpoint an especific date, therefore they did knew datings and it concurs with the Jesus time, and for the picture itself it cannot be recreated to the fullest with actual technology, only a few simple effects, therefore is not proven at this moment that is real or fake, but new evidence is making scientist believe is very real.

As for the global flood most of all religions do describe a global flood, from the bible, to indian scripts, the sumerians, babylonians, koran, etc, therefore is such old and separeted cultures describe the same event, it has to be something, and theres new scientific geological data that hint a global flood, and also remember that the poles change their position from time to time, due magnetic adjustments to the center of the earth, which cause big masses of water to move, when the poles change position, this event according to scientists did occur a few times in the past, therefore is some evidence that hint that, at least is a possibility, rather than a denial with scientific evidence.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2076443/Turin-Shroud-created-flash-supernatural-light.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57410982/controversial-new-theories-on-the-shroud-of-turin/
http://www.christianpost.com/news/shroud-of-turin-is-authentic-scientists-claim-new-evidence-reignites-debate-video-65284/

http://dancingfromgenesis.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/scientific-geological-evidence-for-deluge-noahs-flood-ark-not-mythology-legends-mount-ararat-flood-basalts-catastrophism-igneous-extrusions-mountain-building-runaway-plate-tectonics-young-earth-crea/